The Brewers are not ruling out significant additions on the pitching market, it seems. When asked yesterday about the possibility of landing a premium-cost starter, GM David Stearns said that “it makes sense to cast a wide net,” as MLB.com’s Adam McCalvy reports. That guarded phrasing hardly promises a major move, but it keeps things open, and that’s what Stearns says the focus is right now. He explained: “Generally, at this stage of the offseason, you try to determine what might be realistic, what might make sense, and then you plot your offseason strategy from there.” MLBTR’s Steve Adams previously highlighted Milwaukee as a potential pursuer of top pitchers this winter.
Here’s the latest from the NL Central:
- At this stage, at least, reports of interest in Reds closer Raisel Iglesias probably ought to be taken with a grain of salt — not because there isn’t much interest, but because it’s so widespread. Per president of baseball operations Dick Williams, “the fair assumption would be that two-thirds of the teams would have interest without having them have to call,” as Zach Buchanan of the Cincinnati Enquirer reports. While the club surely won’t be rash in dealing Iglesias, Williams does note that the team isn’t “holding on to him out of fear of what the rest of the bullpen would do.” At the same time, other clubs are being given the sense that Cincinnati intends to keep Iglesias, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, so it seems likely that it’ll take a significant offer to gain traction in talks.
- The Reds do recognize they are well-stocked in the outfield, though Williams suggests it’s more depth than a true “surplus” from which to trade. That appears to be a fair take; while Cincinnati could end up with a bit of a playing-time logjam if things break right, that’s also far from a given. Generally, the team’s top baseball decision-maker says to expect “an opportunistic approach” to the offseason — which may also require some patience from fans.
- Patrick Mooney of NBC Sports Chicago provides an interesting overview of the dynamics that will shape the Cubs’ efforts this offseason. GM Jed Hoyer tells Mooney that the team is approaching trade talks both with an open mind and with a loyalty to the players they’ve developed into the core of a winning club. That said, Hoyer stressed that the front office’s “No. 1 loyalty” is to Cubs fans and positioning the team to win another World Series. That, Hoyer says, could put the team into an unenviable position of having to consider trades of young players they value highly. “Certainly, I’d love to have an offseason where we didn’t have to do anything like that,” says Hoyer. “But in order to get better and make improvements in certain areas, we might.
- Meanwhile, Mooney looks at the team’s chances of re-signing closer Wade Davis as a free agent. Chicago viewed Aroldis Chapman purely as a rental when they acquired him in 2016 and let him walk as a free agent accordingly, Mooney writes, but they view Davis in a different light. President of baseball ops Theo Epstein says the Cubs “think the world” of Davis and will make an effort to bring back a player they feel is important both on and off the field. As Mooney points out, a number of big-market clubs already have high-priced closers, which could take some of them out of the running for Davis.
- Hoyer confirmed to reporters that right-hander John Lackey has indeed signaled that he aims to pitch once again in 2018 (Twitter link via ESPN Chicago’s Jesse Rogers). Re-signing Lackey is “certainly” something the Cubs are going to talk about, per Hoyer. It remains to be seen how aggressively Chicago will pursue Lackey coming off a generally disappointing season in which he yielded an NL-high 36 homers. But, the Cubs stand to potentially lose both Lackey and Jake Arrieta this winter, so they’ll assuredly be in the market for multiple arms.
thegreatcerealfamine
Betances for Schwarber…
Yes I know it’s an overpay on the Yankees side but Schwarber would be a Lefty power source at DH. Then sign Todd Frazier on a two year deal,let Headley fill in sometimes at third and Todd could be the DH against lefties…
Twins_guyTJZ
What are you high on?
thegreatcerealfamine
Which part?
Why don’t you go into detail…
bencole
I’m assuming he meant the part about it being an overpay for the Yankees. There’s not a chance the Cubs do this deal.
rocky7
Yes, I think you’ve got this backwards.
Betances for Schwarber comparatively is a Hugh overpay for the Yankees based on the Schwarbs plate results over the last two years.
Homers yes, but a definite rally killer the rest of the way.
thegreatcerealfamine
Why not their BP was atrocious in the playoffs and Betances is experienced in both setting-up and closing. Schwarbers has no real value on defense to the Cubs..just step back and not wish on him being any different. Plus Schwarber is not ever gonna catch and his offense isn’t lighting the world on fire either.
jasonpen
Sounds like you only value BA and haven’t actually ever watched more than a few Schwarber ABs….
bencole
Schwarber’s OBP is above MLB average over the last 2 years, despite his lost half season. He has 46 homers in 658 at bats, which is slightly over a full season worth of AB’s. He hit .253/.335/.559 in the second half last year, after they sent him to the minors to fix a hole in his swing. Betances has electric stuff but an enormous walk rate of nearly 6.5 BB/9. (One of the Cubs downfalls in the playoffs, if this deal was close enough for this to matter) No was the Cubs even consider it. Not even close. He’s a reliever. It’s not gonna happen. It’s not even close to close.
bencole
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bronxbombers
Extreme overpay for the Yankees Schwarber isn’t worth very much at the moment especially not an elite reliever with 3 years of control that’s one of the top 5 since he got called up. Maybe happ and schwarber plus another mid level prospect or 2
simschifan
That’s laughable
rocky7
Yes but so was the comment about a straight up trade involving them both.
biasisrelitive
4 years of schwarber for two of Betances thats a slight overpay for the Cubs but the one he just mentioned was one of the worst I’ve seen
jasonpen
From the Cubs perspective, they aren’t giving up Schwarber for a 7th-8th inning reliever. That’s crazy talk. Look at his minor league numbers and remember, he only has one full season in the bigs, and was recovering from a major knee injury. He may well become a bust, but selling now is selling waaaaay low. Not worth it.
Djones246890
Completely agree. People bashing Schwarber know absolutely ZERO about baseball. You can’t evaluate a guy coming back from a major injury in just one season.
Also, his second half was significantly better than his first half, and was much more consistent with he pre-injury (very good) player we all saw.
It will take another full season.
crazymountain
Wow! Two comments in a row from folks who know what they are talking about!
JKB 2
Happ and Schwarber and two more prospects huh? You Yankees fans are the most delusional fan base around
biasisrelitive
this is a math problem of 4>2 no way the cubs do that maybe if they Yanks threw in Chad green…
jasonpen
More like Severino…
lowtalker1
Schwarber isn’t that good
I don’t get the hype
jasonpen
Cool story. Maybe watch him play? Don’t look at batting average as your main stat line?
Watch his AB versus Gerritt Cole in the wild card game. The one where he hit it into the Allegheny. Or a week later when he hit one on top of the video board against the Cardinals…
Then imagine that power potential at Yankee stadium with the short RF porch…
JKB 2
Of course you do not get the hype since you do not watch him play
wrigleywannabe
That’s an over pay alright, for Chicago.
WHy in God’s name would we trade a guy Kyle for a middle to set up reliever, a struggling one at that, when there are a gaggle of them on the FA market?
thegreatcerealfamine
“Why in Gods name would we trade a guy like Kyle”…what is your job with the Cubs to be part of “we”?
JKB 2
His job is of a fan moron. It “We” see that is how real fans talk
Guz
Ask Sutcliffe–job is with ESPN or some national outfit, but always says “we” when analyzing Cubs. One magical season 33 years ago, and his heart is with US forever. That’s how it works. You are welcome to climb on board, but I also understand your bitterness that probably precludes that.
thegreatcerealfamine
Na you should climb aboard the all time winner train the Bronx Bombers..
Yankees 27 titles going on 28 vs Cubs 3 titles going on another extended drought.
I’ll stick with the real Pinstripes!!!
thegreatcerealfamine
His job is a wannabe Richard like you I guess…
sixpacktwo
The first 22 titles are when the Yankees had a 28 team major league farm team. KC always liked their money over their players. In other words, the Yanks bought those titles. Even today the small market teams have a hard time competing when the Yanks, Cubs, Dodgers, can simply buy what they need.
Steveo1960
There is no way, not a chance in he=ll the Cubs make that trade.
internet1tough1guy
Promise you only thing cubs trade a roster player for is a starting pitcher or maybe something like schwarber for Benintendi.. I’m still hoping cubs trade Baez and some prospects for archer and colome, and schwarber for Benintendi.. benintendi would fill their lead off need. And schwarber fills the red Sox power bat need. I pray that the rumor of the giants interested in heyward is true, I’d definitely take on shark and melancon for heyward.. I’d then move shark into the pen.. melancon was injured all year and should come back..
Brixton
Why would the Yankees trade for Schwarber? He’d be their 5th best outfielder and hardly a good enough hitter to be a full time DH
thegreatcerealfamine
Power to the short porch of course and he should be a .240-250 with 25-35 HR’s that’s better then they had last year. Read my last sentence about Headley and Frazier and of course never play Schwarber in the outfield unless they are absolutely desperate!!
bencole
Schwarber hit 30 in only 422 ABs without a short porch. Wrigley’s only a hitters park when the wind blows out, and it’s s pitchers park when the wind blows in. Which is 68% of the time. Plus Wrigley’s 353 ft down the line to right. Schwarber in a full season of AB’s might hit 45 in Yankee Stadium.
Steveo1960
yep
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
And he hit 30 home runs last year. On a short season after missing an entire year and being sent down to Iowa.
WalkersDayOff
Schwarber is a mediocre outfielder so he will have to be a DH
wrigleywannabe
RIght, because there are no mediocre players on defense any wheree
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
5 errors all year. 8 outfield assists. All outs at home. Didn’t make his first error til July. But yeah he’s terrible in the field. Gold Glove winners have made more errors than him in a year. He’s not gonna win a gold glove anytime soon or ever but to say he’s bad or mediocre is downright wrong.
thegreatcerealfamine
Now you funny to!!!
richdanna
Yeah, sure.
.253/.335/.559/.894 with 17 HR’s after the ASB.
He’a horrible.
Brixton
Thats half a season worth of ABs following a terrible one. Your best argument from those stats is that hes streaky, which again, isn’t good.
The Yankees could DH Clint Frazier, Miguel Andujar, or sign a veteran bat and keep Betances.
bencole
He has one bad half-season in his career. Not unusual for a young player. There’s not a chance the Cubs do this deal. I feel silly even responding to it.
Brixton
He has a 109 OPS+ for his career. Thats not worth giving up assets for someone who wouldn’t start on your team
bencole
9% above average despite his first half last year which is obviously an outlier. 130 OPS+ in ’15. That’s a huge number dude.
bencole
Not to mention the red flag of a 6.5 BB/9 walk rate from Betances. Girardi was afraid to even use him in a close game. If Schwarber goes, it’ll be as the key piece for a frontline starter. Think Chris Archer, although I don’t think Archer will be dealt. Otherwise the Cubs won’t deal him.
bencole
In a close game in the postseason it should say
wrigleywannabe
Actually, no he is not streaky. He had a sustained solid second half. His numbers were better or as good as two years ago.. He has barely a full season of at bats.
Guz
And let’s all be mindful of Archer’s poor last 2 yrs–ERA’s over 4 and, away from massively pitching-friendly TB, ERA’s over 5. Throw in a league-high 19 losses in ’16, and Cubs have seen this before–butvit went by Edwin Jackson. And this underreported demise occurred on Jim Hickey’s watch–now the Cubs’ pitching coach.
Cubguy13
Cuz the Yankees traded for Frazier who not only hits .220 but doesn’t have time on his side like Schwarber. And, the Yankees were willing to trade for Schwarber while he was on the DL for their best reliever at the time.
internet1tough1guy
You’re wrong about him being a DH, he’d be a top 2 or 3 DH in the majors. He hit 10000 times better the past 2 years when he didn’t play the field
Guz
Schwarber will go nowhere for a middle RP, ever. That went for Andrew Miller at the deadline when Schwarbs was hurt last year, and it certainly goes for Betances, who struggled mightily at times this year. The Schwarbino will go nowhere for 2 reasons: Theo’s head and his heart. A RP (even a good closer) maybe puts up 2.0 WAR. Schwarbs is not there yet, but could be a 4-5 WAR hitter very soon.–and for team-controlled yrs thereafter. This was his adjustment/soph year. Sorry Yank fans–and every AL team dying to get him: he’s better than u think in the field, and will not be had for a RP.
rocky7
Geez, maybe, should, possibly a 4-5 WAR hitter….all adjectives to support comments on what the Schwarbino should be. The problem is he isn’t and maybe/possibly never will be.
And as far as Theo’s head, well you don’t win championships on your heart, and I’m sure management of the Cubs feels the same way.
If the right trade comes up, and the Cubs are in need, say goodbye to Mr Schwarber.
And by the way, what comments in this column or others supports your claim that every AL team is dying to get him.
biasisrelitive
schwarber is definitely a risk and likely a DHL new player and their limits him but he’s got incredible potential as a header and that has value. let’s not forget at matanzas has not been all that reliable as of late he can be dominant but he can also be awful.
bencole
Sure. But it won’t be for a reliever. Any reliever.
Guz
Theo has won plenty of championships–and part of his wisdom is considering the warm heart as well as the Spockian brain.
In Schwarber’s case, his brain tells him he has all tools to become a premier hitter, and his heart has him in love. Further, Theo’s dual approach is directly in line with millions of Cub fans on the Schwarbino non-question.
thegreatcerealfamine
Please stop with the age and recovery-song and dance. Theo is smart and realistic and will approve anyway there is to get the pitching they need to get back to the WS. How in the world is he better then every non Cubs homer knows he is on defense?
Guz
Not sure if the FanGraphs boys are non-Cub HR’s–all of them–but u may wanna take a look at Schwarber’s defensive metrics in LF in 2015. As a rookie playing a position for the first time in his life, he finished middle-of-pack in UZR/150 and overall DEF–ahead of such LF as Zobrist, Cabrera, Braun, and MLB Network’s pre-2016 “Best LF in MLB”, Michael Brantley.
Haven’t checked where he finished this year, but I know this: he led all Cub OF in assists, and no, it’s not because people don’t run on Heyward (they do)–it’s because throwing out runners on the bases from the OF is child’s play to a trained C. He made some E’s, yes–but he had 7 assists, including 3 at the plate in 3 successive starts in Aug.
Yes, better than most suspect in the field. Fact that he can also catch only adds to his value–and that’s only on the D side.
wrigleywannabe
He is serviceable on the OF. THe problem is with the peopel who think he is teh worst OF ever
gcg15
Yeah, and please stop with the BS dance about Schwarber’s value. This is an article from last May when Schwarber was a week away from being sent to the minors. It quotes front office execs as the relative trade value of Schwarber to an AL team. See any BS in here about an overpay from a team wanting to send a mediocre middle reliever for him.? No. Of course you don’t. espn.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/44315/is-it-t…
bencole
First off, we can’t see your link, but ESPN isn’t a credible reporting site. Second, outside of the first half of 2017, he’s a career 130 OPS+. That I believe would be top 30 in all of baseball amongst players in 2017. The first half of 2017 appears to be an outlier because of the hole in his swing that they fixed.
AR
Yankee fans can’t possibly be this dumb.
thebfr21
Who cares about two s$1t bag teams anyway!!
retire21
Compelling and rich.
Cubbie75
If the Cubs are going to trade away one of my favorite young players I wish they’d do it soon so I can begin the mourning process before spring training starts. The anticipation is killing me.
thegreatcerealfamine
Well said!!!
gcg15
A couple of things.
1 – There is no way the Cubs are trading Schwarber for a mediocre relief pitcher. And you can spare me all the talk about how he hasn’t proven anything yet. The guy is a left handed power hitter who you could plug in the 7 hole of a lineup and count on getting no fewer than 30 HRs a season. Sure, he’ll hit .250-.260 and strike out a lot. You got a lot of 7 hole hitters who you can pencil in for 30+ HRs and at least 80 RBI? No. So just shut up about handing over 4 years of control on that type of asset for 2 years of control on a guy who walks 7 guys every nine innings he pitches. Just preposterously dumb. The Cubs will likely hang onto Schwarber until the all-star break if they decide to deal him at all. Personally, I’d trade him. But you can spare me the here’s a middle reliever bs. Because you know its BS.
2 – The Cubs don’t need two starters. They need one. If you are entering the year with Hendricks, Quintana and Lester as your top 3 and you sign a fourth like Cobb you aren’t going to have to necessarily go get that #5. You’ll have a passable option in the system already.
eddieguglielmo23
Yankees should trade betances for starting pitcher with a few controllable seasons like julio teheran think he will bounce back this year (by that i mean lower that 4.49 era) i would go after jay bruce to fill the dh void. He could be lethal in that lineup. And then trade some prospects maybe andujar and company for britton. Make that bullpen even better setting up for chapmab
Steveo1960
It doesn’t matter what any of us think, The Cubs she Schwarber as a 40 Hr guy. They see him as an below avg defenser in a position that less important defensively and a Rizzo type. They won’t trade low on him and not going for a reliever who had a real bad year.
Guz
Well said. Funny thing is Cubs don’t need to make any trades, just spend dough they have plenty of.
Only guy in MLB that can replace Jake is Jake. Pay the man. He deserves it and is more valuable to team than Jonny Boy, who has been worshipped by Cubs brass.
My 1st choice: sign Jake and Lynn. When Lynn outpitches Lackey, Cubs get better as long as everything else stays the net same from hangover season.
2nd: sign Lynn and Cobb
Save $ from Davis and make Kimbrel highest paid Closer if necessary next yr, but get him.
wrigleywannabe
It cracks me up how the people who bash Schwarber and say he has little value are the same people who act like the guy they want to trade for him is the second coming of CY Young.
DB is not a close. He is 32-48 lifetime in save situations. He is a middle to set up guy. You do trade 35-40 homers with a .340 OBP for that, let alone him and Happ.
Never mind how many similar and better guys are on the FA market
If you trade Kyle, Almora has to play very day or you have to make ANOTHER move.
I like Almora, but come on. Low OBP percentage against RHP and not much pop.
It would make a lot mroe sense to make a run at Holland, Neshek, Reed, Chisek, Watson, Nicasio, Minor, SMith, Kintzler, Petit, Swarczak and/or bringing Brian D back.
aff10
What could possibly be achieved by quoting a non-closer’s save rate?
thegreatcerealfamine
So he can Cherry pick like his defensive metrics for 2015 and his half a season offensive stats. If all that doesn’t work it’s his amount of AB’s for his career or the homers he hit in the 2015 playoffs. These guys heads are gonna explode when he’s dealt to an AL team for a reliever…
Steveo1960
“IF” he’s traded. it’ll be for a young upside starting pitcher. Not a middle reliever who had with 2 years of team control..
thegreatcerealfamine
Him++ if they expect that…reality check time…
Steveo1960
Again Epstein and the Cubs have little interest in trading low on someone who they think will hit 40 hrs and .280 BA.
bencole
He’s not going to be traded for a reliever. If he’s dealt, it’s for a near top-tier controllable starter. If the league doesn’t find that to be his value, they won’t trade him.
thegreatcerealfamine
You don’t know that,I don’t know that,so we shall see…
internet1tough1guy
Cubs fans do know that. We will not be trading more high end talent for a reliever, past couple years we’ve already traded for 2 closers just to let them walk. It’s not happening again. Especially for schwarber lol.. especially not for DB.
johnnyringofwc
Swarbs still has a lot of value in my mind. Let him field balls on different days at 1st, 3rd, catcher, and left field. He is a smart guy. He won’t win a gold glove, but as a multi-positional big bat, he also “maybe” won’t kill you out there as he does have good instincts at least.