After entertaining offers from a handful of teams leading up to the 2017 non-waiver trade deadline, the San Diego Padres opted not to trade reliever Brad Hand. But discussions are sure to heat up once again heading into the hot stove season. While the elite lefty is no sure bet to be dealt, the Friars look like a long shot to contend in a tough NL West division and could be well-served to exchange Hand for a package of young talent.
Hand followed a breakout 2016 campaign with an equally phenomenal 2017 season. Among major-league relievers this past year, he finished 14th in ERA (2.16), 11th in xFIP (2.90), 21st in K/9 (11.80), 6th in innings pitched (79 1/3), and 4th in Win Probability Added (3.89). The former second-round pick accrued 21 saves despite not taking over the closer role until late July, and was valued at 1.7 fWAR.
Every team in the major leagues would look better on paper by adding Hand to their bullpen. Relievers of his caliber are difficult to come by, let alone left-handers. He wouldn’t even be a rental; Hand is controllable through 2019 via arbitration. MLBTR projects him to be awarded just a $3.8MM salary in 2018, making him an incredibly payroll-friendly alternative to some of the big name free-agent relievers.
Not every team can afford Hand in terms of prospects, however, which is how we can begin to eliminate some teams from the mix. When the Indians acquired lefty Andrew Miller from the Yankees at the 2016 trade deadline, they forked over four minor leaguers, including top prospects Clint Frazier and Justus Sheffield. While nobody would argue that Miller is the superior (and more established) relief pitcher, the two come with similar amounts of team control, while Miller’s contract guaranteed him $9MM per season.
If the asking price for Hand is anything close to the return the Yankees got for Miller, then we can firmly remove the Cubs, Diamondbacks, Angels, Giants, Mariners and Orioles from the picture. Teams like the White Sox, A’s, Phillies and Reds are probably too far away from serious contention to consider a run at Hand. But beyond that, there would still appear to be a vast pool of potential suitors, leaving the Padres firmly in the driver’s seat.
On paper, there are a few matches that make loads of sense. The Astros have a powerful roster that lacks only the presence of a dominant left-handed bullpen arm, and they certainly have the prospect depth to swing a trade. Likewise, the Dodgers would certainly benefit from another elite reliever to back Kenley Jansen, and their farm may be better than that of the Astros. The Brewers have a strong rotation that would benefit from another elite reliever who could help shorten games.
My favorite potential match is the Cardinals. St. Louis has so many outfield prospects that it’ll be hard to roster them all when the Rule 5 Draft comes around, while the Padres would probably love to add some upside young talent at that position. Meanwhile, the Cards are in definite need of a closer. I expect the two teams will at least discuss the possibility of a Hand trade.
Some other teams in dire need of bullpen help include the Twins, Rays, Rockies and Braves, though those teams might have other issues to address before thinning out their farm systems for a relief pitcher.
Whether a trade materializes or not, it’s fair to expect Hand’s name will pop up in trade rumors a fair number of times this offseason. It would surely be exciting to see how a contender might utilize him in the playoffs.
shoheiohtahnyy
Cubs?
hatstotheleft
Padres gonna ask for Baez for Hand, so no thanks.
thesheriffisnear
To say that they’re eliminated altogether is completely ridiculous. No way the Pads wouldn’t have any interest in a trade involving Russell or Happ. Not that I think the Cubs should even make that trade, but just making a point
mlb fan
if the Cubs are willing to include Major League talent like Baez, Happ or Russell then surely they would be in play to add just about anyone if you ask me……
padresfaithful76
I don’t think the cubs would trade any of their major league talent for Hand. And the Cubs farm is no longer very deep. Padres farm system is probably in the top three, it’s going to take some high ranking prospects to have Hand. Cubs don’t have them.
Of course, if they want to over pay, they have the players to do so.
ABCD
Too bad the Cards’ bullpen blew all those leads this year. They could have won the division.
Too bad they lost the most important series ever between the clubs in 2015.
Better hope you get Stanton or it will be more of the same.
Cubs have wiped themselves with the Redbirds. Better believe we’ve enjoyed it.
JKB 2
Themed is fearful of the Cubs.
JKB 2
Agreed. If the Cubs were willing to trade those guys it would be for a whole lot more then Hand
themed
Son let’s count World Series appearances. Division Titles wins. World Series wins. In the last 15 years and I believe as you put it the Cardinals have wiped themselves with the cubs over that extended period of time which paints the true picture actually. Oh and no last place finishes in that time period for the Redbirds. But can’t say the same about the flubs.
simschifan
Always living in the past
simschifan
Was the St. Louis trolls comments finally deleted?
ABCD
Let’s live in the past. All-time head-to-head: Cubs 1221 Cards 1161
themed
Let’s check World Series appearances and oh World Series wins. Cards 11 scrubs 3. Case closed Cardinals are winners again and for always! Case Closed!
cards81
Lol as a cardinals fans it’s satisfying to know that the cubs have been so jealous of the cardinals…what’s funny is the cubs still have a long way to go before they are anywhere near the cardinals organization lol
themed
Of course they are jealous. Decade after decade the Cardinals have competed year after year. I believe only one last place blemish on there record in the last 75 years. Almost a complete opposite of the cub organization.
ABCD
I am not jealous of the Cards org. They have done a great job. What irks me is the superior attitude of their fans – the so-called BFIB. Now that the Cubs have supplanted them the past three seasons, some Cards fans (not all) are in a tizzy about it. Themed can’t even get his assertions correctly posted here. In the last 15 years, the head to head record is Cubs 132 Cards 128 not including the 2015 NLDS. The tides have turned ever since Jaime Garcia threw away a Kyle Hendricks squeeze bunt. 1908 is not a valid taunt any longer. Themed has proven himself to be irrelevant.
themed
The last 15?years. Cardinals 4 World Series appearances. 2 World Championships. Flubs 1. Point made. Case closed!
thegreatcerealfamine
Get em Gammy!!!!
cards81
And Kyleschwabersmom you have proven yourself to be irrelevant because no cardinals fan thinks that we are the BFIB…the media said that and every one ran with it…they said that about the cardinals fans because they are good fans who are loyal and know a lot about baseball…every fan base has great fans and bad fans… I know a lot of cubs fans who think they know it all and consider themselves the best also
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Regular season record is irrelevant. It’s just a means of determining who makes the playoffs and who plays who in the playoffs. Missing the playoffs by 1 game is just as bad as going 0-162.
padreforlife
The lunacy never stops^
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Nor do your braindead comments, unfortunately.
mlb fan
@themed……..if your stat of one last place finish for the Cards in the last 75 yrs is accurate, that is very impressive….
Bob Wheeler
As a born and raised Astros fan, and someone who has been to games in nearly every major league stadium, it pains me to say it but the Cardinals’ fans are pretty much the most knowledgeable fans I’ve met. Not always the friendliest (I kind of give that to Indians fans), or the most fanatic (Yankees and White Sox), but definitely the group that best understands baseball.
acarneglia
Imagine adding him to that Yankee bullpen with Chapman, Betances, Robertson, Green, Warren, and Kahnle
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
They shoulda kept Miller if they want Hand. Miller is essentially the same pitcher as Hand but better.
mlb fan
trading Miller and Chapman in the first place is what gave the Yankees their youthful reset so I do not think that they would take that trade back at all with the haul they got from the Indians and Cubs….
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
The haul they got from the Indians doesn’t matter smart guy! The Dodgers could have gotten a much better haul by trading Kershaw but you don’t see them trading him. You know why? Cuz they wanna win a championship and Kershaw makes that much more likely. And it’s the same way with the Yankees and Miller.
shanedelreal12
The dodgers already had a stacked minor league system and the money to overpay vets. The Yankees actually needed to add depth to their system do they hand guys for the future and the ability to trade for guys to help now (like Sonny Gray).
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
That doesn’t matter! You NEVER trade a guy like Miller when you are trying to contend! EVER! A championship is more valuable than any prospect. You say the Yankees need to trade for guys who will help now. You know who would have helped now? MILLER!
outinleftfield
Hand would fit perfectly in the Yankees pen and he is really inexpensive. Miller was expensive. That was why the Yankees traded him in a year they were not going to contend. Same reason they traded away Chapman.
Typing in caps doesn’t help. People hate it and immediately think your argument is stupid. Same goes with calling others names. Immediately they write off anything you say. Try coming up with sound, logical statements and maybe you won’t need to use caps or insults.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Yes, because a player being expensive is clearly a problem for the Yankees and their bottomless pockets. Don’t compare MIller to Chapman. One was a pending free agent and the Yankees knew they could just re-sign him in the offseason. The other was not. Trading Chapman made sense cuz 2016 clearly wasn’t their year but trading Miller only made sense if 2017 and 2018 weren’t their years either. If Hand “fits perfectly in the Yankees pen” then trading Miller makes zero sense because Brad Hand is basically a poor man’s Andrew Miller.
P.S. I see you downvoting my comments.
padresfaithful76
Yankees didn’t expect to contend this year. They had a lot of surprising valuable contributions from their youth this year. Hindsight, Cashman probably doesn’t make the trade. Their hole plan the last couple of years was to rebuild for 2018-2019 while getting under the luxury tax before they sign Harper and Machado next year.
Hiro
You just proved yourself wrong. There is a reason why the term “sellers” exist. Why did the Yankees trade their best asset? It was because they were sellers at the deadline.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
They were right to sell all their pending free agents, but nothing else.
padreforlife
Ok know it all
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Better than knowing nothing like you, dumb ass
Padres2019ha
Ryan, you are a know it all. You know some stuff, but your opinions aren’t opinions to you, they are facts. Personally I don’t even know if you are a Padre fan. Seems like you like to argue just for the sake and I’d rather see dialogue than just you fighting w many different people, constantly, unfortunately.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
You clearly aren’t familiar with padreforlife’s comments. Just continue to read MLBTR for a while and you’ll see the problem here.
Anyway, it IS fact that Brad Hand is really just a poor man’s Andrew Miller so trading Miller away and then trading for Hand makes less sense than just keeping Miller. The Yankees weren’t about to lose Miller to free agency like Chapman.
Padres2019ha
Touché
mlb fan
@Westcoast….”.You NEVER trade a guy like Miller when you are trying to contend”..
.if you will recall that when the Yankees actually traded Miller and Chapman they were only borderline, at best, “contenders” for the second wild card and they read the tea leaves and correctly saw that they could capitalize on the burgeoning market for elite relievers and would be in a better position long term than playing for a MAYBE one game play in……….
The Yankees were overloaded with older, declining players when they did this and were not really serious “contenders” for much of anything except maybe mediocrity……..
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I understand but Miller had two more years of control after 2016 so they didn’t have to be contending that year for him to be worth keeping. He wasn’t about to just leave like Chapman, Beltran and Nova. It doesn’t matter if they got a haul for him because if they want to trade for Hand he is also going to cost a haul.
padreforlife
Amen guy is tool
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Yes you are
padreforlife
Hand hasn’t pitched in big game no comparison.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
One potato two potato three potato four
thegreatcerealfamine
Imagine not needing him… oh yea they don’t!!!
WalkersDayOff
Bullpen help is the last thing the Yankees need
acarneglia
Im just speaking hypothetically. The Miller trade was smart for Cashman to make
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
No it wasn’t. Obviously it’s impossible to say this or that would have happened if they had or hadn’t traded this or that player but their bullpen faltered in at least one game they lost in the ALCS. With Miller it’s entirely possible that they were the ones facing the Dodgers in the World Series. Miller wasn’t about to be a free agent like Chapman.
thegreatcerealfamine
Every YANKEES fan truly appreciates every trade Cash has made lately. Yes it was a smart trade!!!
rocky7
Hey, I don’t think you’re right.
The Miller trade was all about the future and worked well for both ball clubs.
Of the 4 prospects the Yankees got, Frazier and Sheffield probably either make the ball club this coming year and provide the youth and athletic ability the Yankees have been building around for a couple of years now.
While Miller is terrific, the Yankee bullpen has played well, and to lose to the eventual World Series winner in 7 games is not considered a failure back East here so maybe you should stick to the West Coast Ryan!
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Yes, it was about the future. But it made the Yankees objectively worse for 2017 and 2018 and seeing how they are trying to win championships in those years it wasn’t necessarily a prudent move to make.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Nope because the Yankees we’re trying to contend in 2017 and 2018 and that trade made them worse in those years.
NOPelicanFangirl696969
Im sure the yankees thought they were gonna be in the alcs this year
rocky7
Hey thegreatcerealfamine,
Say what you want about Cash but he has brought the Yankees back to relavance using a farm system that turns out major league ball players.
This guy WestCoast is talking out of his _ss about the Miller trade.
Great player but we got good potential players back so it was good for both teams.
thegreatcerealfamine
Rocky…TWCR has a Chrystal ball that must have some kinda short…
Good for the Indians because Miller helped them to that 7th game..
Good for the Yankees because Sheffield will probably be more valuable then Clint Frazier…
thegreatcerealfamine
Ryan…you should just call it a day!!!
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Lol. No one on here takes people who use phrases like “So you have a crystal ball” seriously.
The Miller trade makes the Yankees better starting in 2019 and worse until then. Hope it was worth missing the World Series this year.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Not talking out of my ass at all. Contenders don’t trade players like Andrew Miller.
lowtalker1
Could they have used him the alcs in 2017? Yes, but it was a smart move to trade Miller and Chapman.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Chapman, yes. Miller, no. The fact that they are often cited as a landing spot for Brad Hand, who is essentially a poor man’s Andrew Miller, proves that they would have been better off just keeping Miller.
Brixton
The Yankees very clearly wanted to sell off valuable, short term, pieces in 2016, something they did. They traded 4 regulars, it’s not like it was a random move of the Red Sox trading Kimbrel or something.
They were good moves, because clearly they valued the prospects more than money, since they could go just buy new relievers the next year, which they did.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
All the pieces they sold off except Miller were pending free agents. 2016 clearly wasn’t the year for them so that made plenty of sense. But Miller is under contract through 2018. They weren’t about to lose him. If they had any intention at all of contending in 2017 or 2018 it would have made sense to keep him. A championship is more valuable than any prospect.
padreforlife
Call it a decade
MB923
And with Miller it’s also possible he could have blown a lead too. Remember he lost a game for the Indians against the Yankees
rivera42
Oh, I remember that moonshot by Bird. To suggest that Miller would guarantee the Yanks a championship all by himself is ridiculous. Even without Miller. the Yankees pen is still the best in baseball. Not to mention that 2017 and 2018 were supposed to be rebuilding years, 2019 was going to be the year when the Yankees truly would be contenders. They arrived ahead of time. It also doesn’t hurt having Frazier and Sheffield as young, cost-controlled pieces for the future. As far as the pen is concerned, Chapman, Betances, Robertson, Green, Kahnle, Warren, and the last guy looks good to me.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Yeah, I would say that the bullpen probably isn’t the Yankees’ first, second, or even third need. But with that in mind, the fact that they are one of the teams most often linked to Brad Hand, who is basically a poor man’s Andrew Miller is puzzling. Especially considering they traded Miller away a year and a half ago.
rocky7
you would know that answer Ryan. Just go away man….you posts are ridiculous.
thegreatcerealfamine
The only people who really believe the Yankees are linked to Hand are guys like you…
thegreatcerealfamine
Rocky…who does this guy root for anyway?
thegreatcerealfamine
Rocky…Answered my own question farther down,of course he’s a Friars fan. That definitely explains so much and more…
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I ain’t going nowhere so settle in.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Tried to post links talking about the Yankees’ interest in Brad Hand. If you Google “Yankees Brad Hand” you will find all the links I was trying to post in about 10 seconds. They were indeed linked to Brad Hand.
davbee
Ryan, from the amount of down votes you’re getting, nobody takes YOU seriously.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Oh, you mean from you and all of your backup accounts? Yep.
morgannyy 2
I’m a Yankees fan and I was very happy with the trade and would do it again in a second. Cleveland had Miller, and they didn’t win, and reportedly had the superior team. I can still see the ball that Bird, a lefty, launched off of him …
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I hope you like missing the World Series then
padreforlife
Amen this guy is clown city
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
You need a lobotomy. Maybe that will bring your IQ up to double digits
rivera42
The Yankees did not miss out on the WS because of a lack of relief pitching. It was due to the offense’s inability to hit in Houston. They scored 3 runs in 4 games! Can’t expect to win with such limited offense.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Doesn’t change the fact that the return is not a legitimate excuse for trading Miller. Like, the Dodgers aren’t trading Kershaw no matter what you offer them. If you think the Yankees bullpen is strong enough without Miller then that’s fine, I don’t necessarily disagree there. But if their bullpen were truly sufficient they would never have been linked to Brad Hand.
padreforlife
Talking out his ss nothing new
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Posting brain dead comments nothing new
mlb fan
“made the Yankees objectively worse for 2017 and 2018″…….
do you even watch the Yankees, bro?….The Yankees were SUBSTANTIALLY better in 2017 than they were in either 2016 or ’15 and taking the WS champion astros to a 7th game of the ALCS PROVES THAT……
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
^ too stupid to realize that this was despite them trading Andrew Miller rather than because of them trading Andrew Miller
mlb fan
@westcoast…..c’mon bro you are totally embarrassing yourself……..I rarely use insults when discussing MLB, but with you it is getting much more difficult…..
mlb fan
@west coast…..there is always that one guy, in every crowd and it looks like YOU are that one guy….
padreforlife
Of course it was this dude just looks for attention
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
“Of course it was this dude just looks for attention”
Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
That one guy who realizes that the Yankees succeeded this year because of breakouts from several young players rather than because they got rid of Miller? They could have made all the moves they made last year but kept Miller and they still would have made the ALCS this year. The only saving grace for them with that trade is the fact that Miller is a free agent in a year while Frazier and Sheffield are under control forever.
simschifan
Yes add him to arguably the best bullpen in baseball instead of getting a starter with all their minor league talent. While you’re add it get Brian Kenny as manager and might as well do away with having starters and have an all bullpen game like he wants.
Brixton
They could do both?
davidcoonce74
Baseball is heading that direction anyway, like it or not. I doubt we see another 250 IP season again. It makes more sense to bring in fresh arms more frequently.
simschifan
I’m not a fan of that. Yeah the starters are only going 5-6 innings now but I cannot trust just bullpen guys every night. Plus if they did that they would need to expand the pitching staff to like 18 guys
Houston We Have A Solution
You may not be a fan, but you arent a gm or manager. so what you like doesnt really matter.
baseball is heading towards pitchers only going through orders at most 2 times before bringing in relief because majority of pitchers fare worse 3rd time through an order for a multitude of reasons.
thats the way it is now a days. thus having a pen piece that can give you 70 80 games worth of work is on par if not more important than a 4th or 5th starter.
davidcoonce74
Instead of huge bullpens I think we’re going to see more Devenski types, multi-inning guys who come in around the 4th/5th innings and carry the team into the 7th, when all the matchup specialists can be used.
mlb fan
@relief pitcher….the game definitely seems headed in that direction but this also must be managed carefully because relievers are not some magic workhorses that can pitch forever without decline, as the Dodgers bullpen showed this past postseason…..
If teams are going to go in this direction they will need to have a MINIMUM of 3-4 relief guys WITH OPTIONS in AA/AAA that they can shuttle up and down throughout the season, which we already saw many teams do this past season….
mlb fan
I think you are talking about the MLB Networks Brian Kenny….he is EXCELLENT for running a fast moving analytics show on MLB Network but I do not agree with his takes on MLB that often……..
rivera42
Add the Red Sox as a team to remove from the picture as well–they’re a bottom 5 farm.
Bruin1012
I don’t think Boston is a bottom 5 farm. They could easily get Hand if they wanted too they just have other more pressing needs there bullpen was pretty good last year.
floridapinstripes
with what Chavis and Groome? lol
WalkersDayOff
Chavis and Groome would get Hand. SMH what do you people want Betts and Benintendi?
floridapinstripes
lol that’s not even 1 top 75 player. You’re dreaming if you still think Groome is ranked anywhere near top 40
thegreatcerealfamine
Groome is another overhyped Sox prospect…ala Blake Swihart..
WalkersDayOff
So 11 bad games and he drops off the list. Not going to happen if you have actually paid attention to how this all works. He will still be top 60 easy. Just because you are a Yankees fan does not mean every red sox prospect is bad. And im not even a red sox fan
floridapinstripes
the only reason if that happens is because he’s a left handed pitcher. those are the most rare commodity. It’s not just because of 11 games it’s because his injuries and a future risk. remember Kaprielian?
outinleftfield
That would be a great trade for the Padres and the Red Sox. The Sox would probably have to throw in another mid-level prospect or two, but that would definitely get a trade done.
You listening Dombrowski?
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I’d be good with Chavis and Groome for Hand. I know Preller was interested in Groome during the draft last year so maybe he would take that trade too.
Bruin1012
The Red Sox won’t trade for Hand they really don’t need him. There bullpen is pretty good and they have other needs. Carson Smith looked pretty good at the end of the year and should see his velocity return more and more. I’m sure the Red Sox pass on Hand.
padam
Every team, even with a solid bullpen, can use a lefty like Hand.
Bruin1012
Not at the price he will cost the Red Sox are better off using there resources elsewhere.
rocky7
Bruin1012….let’s agree that they probably could get Hand if they wanted but it would take a lot and really clean out the farm and probably require a major league player to complete.
rivera42
They’ll be in that 23-27 range. They really don’t have one single stand out prospect. Their depth is also lacking. They just don’t have a strong farm right now because of the trades by DD. They also tragically lost a top 5 prospect recently.
Bruin1012
The Red Sox will probably have at least three guys in the top 100 when new ratings come out my guess is Groome top 50 Chavis might be top 75 and Mata will probably be top 100. Yes they did tragically lose Flores which weakens there system. They also have some intriguing arms that were in single A this year and a couple of them will be knocking on the door as top 100’s next year.
thegreatcerealfamine
Bruin…hate to break it to you pal but with Groomes performance this year at A ball he might just fall out of the top 100 when the new lists come out in January. Chavis could be in the 40-60 range. Just because Groome threw a legendary pitch doesn’t make his control or mind frame legendary…
Bruin1012
There is not a chance of him falling out of the top 100 he got injured when he came back he showed flashes of absolute brilliance top of the rotation stuff and some clunkers. He will easily be in the top 100 and my guess is he takes a big step forward and yes Chavis will easily be in the top 75 probably in that 40 to 60 he has played well in the AFL. I also believe that Mata might crack the top 100. My guess is the Red Sox are 20-25 farm system and barring any significant trades they will be a 15 to 22 system by mid season when some of their younger arms break out. They are very arm heavy at this point in the lower minors.
rivera42
At least 3 guys? Lol, absolutely not. At most, 2. The Sox have a weak farm. There’s no arguing this.
rocky7
Okay, possibly they have some weapons in the minors that we’ve not aware of.
If they can make that trade, they should if they can.
All adds up to the AL East as the beast conference in the AL.
Bruin1012
For sure two guys and probably Mata who you probably have no clue about so I’m saying three in the top 100 and probably more by mid season when here lower minor arms start to break out. They had quite a few good youn arms in Greenville this year but you probably don’t have a clue about that.
thegreatcerealfamine
Bruin..I guess we’ll see in January…
rivera42
Mata is not making the 100. That’s a pipe dream. When the likes of Domingo Acevedo, Albert Abreu, and Freicer Perez are not guaranteed to make the top 100, there’s no chance whatsoever for a guy like Mata to make the 100. The Sox farm is weak. Period. Why is it so hard for you to comprehend this?
Those guys in Greenvile(Mata, Hernandez, Raudes, Shawaryn) seem good to you considering the Sox farm is weak, but to Yankees/Braves/Padres fans, whose farms are overloaded with high end arms, they’re nothing special at all.
Bruin1012
I’m not saying they are high end farm but I will tell you this an 18 year old who pitched really well in the Sally league is a good prospect. I’m just saying they are not a bottom 5 farm system and they will be climbing the ranks. I
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
The Sox farm system is slightly down because they’ve got five guys at the major league level that are 25 years old and younger from their Farm. They added Major League level players to that young group to contend now.
padresfaithful76
After the quasi Pomeranz fiasco, do you think Boston will deal with Preller again?
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
The real question is will Preller deal with Boston again? They trade us a pitcher who needed Tommy John surgery then have the audicity to go crying to MLB about us? They are like your annoying friend who spends the whole Monopoly game complaining about you “cheating” then wins anyway.
Bruin1012
Yup the Red Sox were the one who weren’t sharing all the medical records. What Preller did was wrong just because Pomeranz seems to have worked out and Espinosa now needs Tommy John doesn’t change that fact. Pitchers are risky in general but to do what Preller did is just wrong.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Mmhm. And what was the missing medical info on Drew Pomeranz? That he was taking oral antiinflammatories. And not even prescription antiinflammatories. Over-the-counter ones. The type you could go buy at your local 7-Eleven right now if you wanted to and the type many players who aren’t injured and don’t become injured take. I highly doubt DD would have nixed that trade if he knew about this. The Red Sox should change their name to the “Boston Crybabies.” And their logo could be an infant throwing a tantrum and pising itself.
stoops
The “flip the script” narrative so many Padres fans try to use for this is so pathetic. How can you deny what Preller did was shady? And how can you not be so painfully familiar with the idea that pitchers can get hurt? I should know, I’m a Padres fan, too!
Seriously, the Padres have a TJS guy every year, it seems like. Espinoza gets hurt and you’re all crying wolf? Come on. Correlation does not equal causation. If you’re really looking for an explanation, start with karma, maybe.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
How many starts has Pomeranz missed since he was traded to Boston? Completely ridiculous that people are still talking about this.
davidcoonce74
Espinoza wasn’t hurt when Boston traded him to the Padres, and the Padres broke rules about Pomeranz, although MLB really didn’t take any action in that case. Preller’s dealings with the Marlins were what got him suspended.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I heard that it was the Pomeranz deal that led to the suspension. The Marlins are even worse considering they traded the Padres two pitchers one pitcher who WAS injured when he was traded and one who got injured shortly after the trade like Rea did then went crying to MLB about the Padres.
davidcoonce74
Okay, fair enough, but it was part of a pattern of incomplete information that started with the Marlins. Obviously, the Padres got the better end of that deal so I wouldn’t make too much of a fuss about it, frankly, as a Padres fan.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Getting Naylor for Cashner’s last two months of control was as absolute coup. The embarrassing part for the Marlins is that, after getting Castillo back, they just traded him away again.
outinleftfield
It was the deal with Boston that MLB investigated and what led them to a system put in place by Mike Dee a year before Preller was hired in which only medical treatments and prescriptions were reported to MLB. Non-medical treatments like massages and over the counter medications were not reported. Medical treatments and prescriptions like MRI’s, cortical steroids, pain relievers, and physical therapy were reported. Preller took the fall for it, but Dee was the one responsible and he was subsequently fired as soon as Preller returned from the suspension.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Thank you. It gets pretty aggravating seeing so many fans placing blame for that stuff on Preller alone, when it was really Dee’s doing. There’s a reason Preller is still here and Dee was kicked to the curb, but people seem to forget that.
padreforlife
Preller got suspended
padreforlife
Naylor killing it in bigs yea real steal hasn’t played yet in bigs brain cells few
YODA777
Prior to the trade, Espinoza pitched very well in Boston’s minor leagues. Espinoza my not have been injured, but he pitched poorly for the Padres Farm System right out of the gates, which leads me to believe there may have been something wrong with him, whether anyone knew about it or not does not matter. Out of Spring Training, Espinoza had arm problems and then required TJ surgery. I think it is ridiculous to hammer on AJ Preller for Pomeranz. Pomeranz is one of Boston’s better starting pitchers, and was highly regarded when he was drafted. AJ Preller has done a lot of good things for the Padres and will ultimately have the last laugh. The original trade was good for both Teams and may yet work out for the Padres.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
And how is Cashner doing for the Marlins?
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Really the only saving grace wrt that trade for the Padres is the fact that Pomeranz can be a free agent a year from now. So if Boston doesn’t win the World Series next year they might as well have just kept Espinoza, injured or not.
padreforlife
Absolute coup yea except Naylor has yet to play in bigs lol
padreforlife
They got to post season with Pomeranz and Espinoza can’t stay healthy
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
You failed to answer my previous question: How did Cashner do for the Marlins this year? I already know you’re not going to answer it cuz you are too stupid to comprehend it.
And Pomeranz is the same situation, being close to free agency so soon enough we will be the only ones who still control any key players from that trade.
mlb fan
@outinleftfield……It is hard to dispute that AJ Preller came off looking a bit shady with the medical record fiascos with at least a couple of players…..
Keeping two different sets of medical records seems a bit shady to me, and I do remember he was sanctioned by MLB for this practice……….
They call you “general mgr” for a reason, and it is hard to claim being out of the loop when you are in charge of baseball operations, although I could easily also see an owner or team President also being aware of this dubious practice as well….
time will tell if Preller ends up being a good GM or not…..
Dotnet22
Cardinals could use a guy like Hand. Get it done Girsch.
robertj53086
Mo says that they are comfortable with Cecil and Lyons as their lefty specialist
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Hand isn’t a lefty specialist tho
SixFlagsMagicPadres
The cardinals would make a lot of sense. The thing is, the Padres already have quite a few outfield prospects of their own, so maybe they’ll ask for other pieces besides those from the cardinals’ outfield depth.
jacknbd
yes the padres have outfield prospects but that doesn’t mean they’re all gonna pan out
Lorenzo
The Padres played rookies Margot and Renfroe (26 homers) in 2017, and near-rookie Pirela. They have Jankowski and Alex Dickerson, both with major league experience, plus Jabari Blash and Franchy Cordero waiting in triple-A, and there are a couple more OF prospects in AA.
The Padres flat out don’t need an outfielder unless he’s a top prospect, and judging by Preller’s rejection of mid-level prospects from the Astros, that’s what the price for Hand is: a top prospect.
padresfaithful76
Margot looks legit and if Renfroe can learn to control the strike zone, he’s an all-star. I’m not impressed with any of the others. Injuries and to many short sample sizes.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
People seem really down on Renfroe these days and I honestly don’t understand why. His 2017 season fell short of expectations but it was our fault for expecting him to be an All Star/ROY contender. A .751 OPS isn’t even bad.
davidcoonce74
He just showed absolutely no clue at the plate. His walk rates have gotten worse at each level and in MLB he looked overmatched. A 284 OBP isn’t going to cut it even with some home run power. But the real issue is pretty obvious with Renfroe. He’s an atrocious defender who really has no business being in the outfield. I’d never read a lot of reports on his defense being this bad in the minors, but man, he’s unplayable out there at this point, which means he has no value because the bat won’t play at 1B or DH.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
The defense will get better. He wasn’t rated as a poor defender in the Minors and it’s not the type of thing that should be harder to do in the Majors like hitting or pitching. I mean, the ball doesn’t travel differently in Major League ballparks as far as I know.
padresfaithful76
He does have a rocket for an arm…
outinleftfield
Can you send him to the O’s then. From what I saw the guy has a cannon for an arm and only 2 RF had a better range, He hit 26 HR and spent a month in the minors. The O’s don’t have much to offer, but since you hate him so much it should be enough.
davidcoonce74
Well, hitters hit the ball harder and farther and the stadiums tend to be bigger. He looked brutal out there this year.
davidcoonce74
He had a 284 OBP and liked to show off that cannon for an arm needlessly. He was worth nearly an entire negative win defensively. That’s not good.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Not necessarily. AAA is full of guys with tons of power who can’t hit Major League breaking pitches. As for the stadiums being bigger, I never heard anything good or bad about his range and routes in the minors which leads me to believe he will be close to average in that department. He’ll improve.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
I’m willing to give it another year with Renfroe to see how he adjusts before calling him a bust. He certainly has potential, but there’s definitely some big flaws he needs to improve upon. His plate discipline and low OBP look pretty bad.
amendoza1539
Even if he’s not that great, he’s a billion times better than Matt Kemp was
davidcoonce74
Well that’s a low bar to clear. You and I could play defense better than Matt Kemp.
padreforlife
Agree^
jasbcar
Aledmys Diaz and outfielder get it done?
San Diego is constantly looking for a SS. For that matter I’d give them their choice of Piscotty or Grichuk as well.
TrueBlue44
I would do that trade for Diaz and Junior Fernandez. The Padres are a couple years away, and they could have Diaz play SS until Tatis comes up. No need for two MLB ready guys.
teufelshunde4
That wouldn’t be a bad trade for STL at all. Btw check out Hand’s splits for 2017. Hand gave up 8 hrs. So I’m thinking Rox or DBacks got him for a couple in their home parks.
nope Hand gave up 6 bombs at petco. 4 of the HR’s came with men on base.
Just odd to see a dominate reliever struggle a bit at home in a extreme pitchers park.
alexryanperry
Except Petco isn’t an extreme pitchers park anymore. They’ve moved the fences in on more than one occasion as well as constructed a new video board which has impacted the wind flow throughout the park. It’s still pitcher-friendly, but much less so than it used to be.
davep-3
The construction in area such as Sempra Building has also had an effect.
davidcoonce74
Yep. It’s still favorable to pitchers, but there are more home runs hit there now. And I wouldn’t worry too much about home runs in 2017; everybody was hitting home runs.
padresfaithful76
Hand also got overworked a number of times and gave up a few of those double digit runs when he was clearly on fumes. Green tried to win ball games this year, why we were only 7th worst team in baseball.
s2alliot
My trade proposal:
HOU: Hand for Bukausukas and Paulino
BOS: Hand for Groome (or Chavis) and Cedrola
LAD: 1. Hand for Verdugo
2. Hand for Kendall and Lux
WSH: Hand for Soto or Kieboom and Johnson
Comment away.
xD2V
You’ve done lost your mind
wadlez
Hand is good, but especially after the Eaton trade it is practically impossible to imagine Rizzo giving up Robles, Soto or Kieboom this offseason period… certainly not in this scenario.
They are too important to the potential post Harper Nats and Rizzos’ past has shown he likes to imitate the Cardinals model of perpetual contention, if to a fault.
Padres2019ha
I think the owner wants to go for it while they still have Harper, Murphy and co. Why not try and win now? That is the ultimate goal and they will probably never be closer
wadlez
They can certainly make other moves to help them win now this offseason than giving up a blue chip likely future foundation piece for Brad Hand.
The quality RP setup FA market is flooded.
floridapinstripes
because if they don’t win next year you are giving away your future. That lineup looks a ton different without Harper/Murphy and to not have Robles to replace them it won’t look good at all
saavedra
Dodgers should have traded Verdugo for Hand at the deadline, they would very likely be celebrating a WS. I dont think they will trade him now, it would just make them look dumb… Dumber
wadlez
Whenever anyone says one player would’ve guaranteed a team a WS, it just makes them look ridiculous and bitter.
Darvish was supposed to guanratee the Dodgers a WS, that turned out well.
chesteraarthur
yeah, people who think like that are stupid
Thronson5
Gotta agree with Wadlez. One player doesn’t agreee anything and his point about Darvish is spot on. Darvish did help us get to to the WS but was a main reason we didn’t win also. Well not all his fault..Roberts who is a hell of a manager made a bad decision leaving him in after that first inning in game 7. Should’ve pulled him right then. Down by 5 after 2 innings just seem to crush the Dodgers mentally and they couldn’t come back from it. But I agree one player doesn’t guarantee anything. Dodgers could definitely use Hand though, I would love for them to bring back Morrow and get Hand but I don’t see that happening so if I was them I’d actually sign Morrow and save the prospects by not trading for Hand.
teufelshunde4
If Kershaw is Kershaw in game 5 and doesn’t ghack up a 4 run lead then imo Dodgers likely win WS.
saavedra
“Would very likely” does not “guarantee” something. Learn to read.
WalkersDayOff
You really have no idea what you are talking about. Dodgers brought in 2 leftys after they failed to get Hand. Watson and Cingrani pitched extremely well for them in the postseason. So to say Hand makes a difference is ridiculous
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
See I find it funny that we’re playing the hindsight 20/20 game and the assessment is still wrong. The dodgers lost the WS because Kersh couldn’t hold two leads, Jansen hung an 0-2 cuttter mid mid, they couldn’t execute with a guy on third with less than two outs to extend a lead to give Jansen more cushion, and they couldn’t execute in game 7. Then you add the fact that Darvish couldn’t get his sl over and was pretty bad in both WS games.
If we’re also playing the hindsight game and being completely unbiased, the area that needed further addressing was adding another RH late inning guy. As much as Buehler’s talent is intriguing it was unrealistic to think he could be that guy in his first full season after TJ. Fields and McCarthy should have never been on the roster. So yes for the Dodgers having another RH reliever might have proved crucial. They did a tremendous job with reworking Watson and making adjustments with Cingrani. So that’s all I got.
YODA777
I am not sold on Verdugo, especially for the Padres. Verdugo’s numbers are inflated from playing in the PCL and he still does not hit for much power. The Padres already have a CF for the long term, and really need their corner outfielders to hit for 20+ hrs per year, I do not think Verdugo ever gets there hitting at PETCO Park for half of his games.
outinleftfield
None of those proposals is enough. go back and read the article. Start with something close to what the Cubs gave up for Chapman or the Indians gave up for Miller.
xD2V
I would have a hard time dishing out top prospects for a lefty reliever to pitch my 8th inning. Padres are going to have to lower that asking price. Maybe one very good prospect packaged with some lower level prospects.
I think Padres are better off keeping him though if they dont get one really good prospect in return. Wouldn’t make sense
s2alliot
Well, Padres don’t have to lower their asking price, that’s the point. There are so many teams wanting to add dominant setup man to their roster, the team that wants to add him have to pay up. Am I lost my mind? Probably not. Prospects are suspects until they actually prove it in the big leagues. Not only that, dominant reliever market is a seller market. Want Hand? Pay up. That simple.
xD2V
Top prospects aren’t so suspect. You suggested Groome or Soto for Brad Hand. Only realistic player may be Verdugo even though I like him a lot, Dodgers Can actually afford it.
Only team that would make sense to trade for him would be Dodgers. Besides that, Hand is staying put or Padres lower their asking price.
floridapinstripes
Let’s be honest Groome isn’t a top prospect anymore. He’ll be lucky to be top 100 next year after a couple of injuries and looking horrible since the get go
xD2V
While I may agree that Groome isn’t Red Sox best prospect, he’s definitely still a top prodpect. Injuries happen. He’s still young and a couple years away from the bigs. He certainly has plus plus stuff and wouldn’t trade him for some lefty reliever to pitch my 8th. Would be an overpay by the Sox.
floridapinstripes
a couple of years? he’ll start in low A again in 2018.
xD2V
Wont end the year there
floridapinstripes
if he can stay healthy and if he doesn’t get shelled
teufelshunde4
It’s the theme of the offseason. Only team that any elite player is a fit for is the Dodgers according to some. lol
floridapinstripes
That’s what happens when a team finally makes the world series for the first time in almost 30 years in the most populated state in America
xD2V
I’m sorry but did you just say Brad a hand is an elite player?!!!!!
xD2V
And that’s what happens when a team sets up their farm system to be able to trade for actual elite players.. but dodgers aren’t the only ones.
jdgoat
Hand isn’t elite but he is the first reliever in the second tier probably.
xD2V
Probably…. he’s great, but certainly not elite. I was worried there for a second.
outinleftfield
Preller was asking for an elite prospect, top 25 in baseball, at the deadline last season. Hand went on to excel at closer for the Padres. What makes you think that Preller will accept less than that now.
Bruin1012
Groome will easily be a top 100 probably top 50. You don’t drop an 18 year old because they struggle some out of the gate. He really licked it in for a 5 game stretch where he pitched beautifully my guess is he doesn’t drop at all you can see the top of the rotation stuff.
Bruin1012
“Kicked it in”
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Don’t the Padres have enough outfielders as it is? They’d probably wanna trade Hand for someone who can either pitch or play the left side of the infield.
Padres2019ha
If we’re talking prospects, the Padres don’t have any potential superstars. Most are infielders and pitchers.
Gore, Quantrill, Baez, Morejon, Espinosa, Naylor, Urias, Tatis, all have really high upside. Franchy, Gettys, and Ona are our OF prospects and who knows w them. Margot is set for a decade, but Renfroe we can only hope will be an above average player. Another top OF prospect is what we need
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
They also have Pirela and Dickerson
Padres2019ha
Neither are superstars and none of our top prospects are OF’s. If we trade him I’d like to get a top OF prospect as we’re set everywhere else
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Not on the left side of the infield we’re not
Padres2019ha
Tatis, Potts, Almamzar, Guerra but true we could use more. Let’s hope we can snag Maitan when he becomes a FA
mnasser34
dbacks would make a great match because you could use him as a set up guy or leave him as a closer and keep archie as the set up man
saavedra
They have no one to offer.
floridapinstripes
Duplantier would have to be part of it and I don’t know if it could get done because 80 power Pavin Smith looks like Sam Travis at this point
iphiii
How about the cards
julyn82001
A’s all over…
SixFlagsMagicPadres
The Twins or Brewers are the dark horses in a potential trade. They are both young up and coming teams with good farms systems. I could definitely see them adding a guy like Hand to solidify their bullpen over the next couple of years.
floridapinstripes
That could work but I think they’d rather pay someone like Morrow or Swarzak and not lose any prospects
xD2V
I actually love the idea of the Twins trading for him, but at the right price.
jacknbd
Nick Gordon
xD2V
No shot. Not for a reliever. They should hold on to Nick.. but let’s say Twins do decide to trade him. Then you would only trade him for a middle of the order bat or a starting pitcher. But not a reliever, not for a team like the twins. But I’m sure they have other pieces that can get it done.
Fenrix
The only teams that should be on Hand are those that sit in that uneasy 84-88 win range, or thereabouts. The Dodgers and the Astros make sense only in that they have the assets to execute a trade, but why would they pay Andrew Miller prices when they are projected to be so far ahead of everyone else in their divisions? It’s not a good look to part with premium assets for a single player that doesn’t make a difference in the standings.
Dodgers and Astros are analytical teams – they know that there is almost zero value in going from 94 to 95/96 wins. And they know that once the playoffs start, that’s when you can get creative with the pen, overcoming at least some of the soft spots by working guys a little harder or bringing a starter out for extended relief.
St. Louis and Milwaukee make sense, as do the Twins, because an extra win or two can be the difference for their playoff hopes. But a team that likely has an 8-10 game lead on their division by season’s end? It didn’t get there by throwing out its actuary tables. Maybe if the market on Hand is so lukewarm that the price comes down, but that’s doubtful. A team on the bubble is going to pull the trigger, as it should.
outinleftfield
The teams that make the most sense are those that made it to the playoffs and lost or just missed getting there. Those teams that were in the playoffs and then lost learned the importance of the pen and we saw without any doubt that the game is changing in the playoffs to one centered on the bullpen. Brian Kenney said yesterday that only 2 starters went past 6 IP in the playoffs. I think he said that the average was 4.2 innings per start in the playoffs this year.
LA Sam
Where’s all those crazy Pad fans from right before trade deadline….? There were droves of you…..glad that you held onto Mr. Hand cause nobody was gonna pony-up Preller’s pipe dream askin price…..Giancarlo, Kersh, Verlander, Scherzer….AND your top 5 prospects as a starting point….as you Pads fans say, por favor……sure he’s nice lil lefty bullpen arm…..how’d all his greatness work-out for Friars….? Believe the SD fan base got ahead start on the California legal weed thing…..makes your games more bearable though….
thegreatcerealfamine
Don’t worry click bait articles like this will and is waking them up…
Baboo
Where’s your World Series title “LA Sam” oh that’s right bullpen blew it. Too bad Hand wasn’t on the team…
Padres2019ha
Hahaha there are over 250 comments on his thread. Seems to everyone, he’s a hot commodity.
thegreatcerealfamine
90% of them are from WestCoastRyan…lofl
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Actually, including this comment, I have 51 comments on this thread and there are 260 total comments, meaning I have less than 20% of the comments on this thread.
#getsmacked
padreforlife
Plus your chat room you’re amazing
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Lol extra chromosome lol
jdgoat
They still couldn’t just give him away if the offers weren’t acceptable though. He was one of the top relievers in the game
outinleftfield
O’s fan here. Hand is the best reliever available once again. Preller asked for an elite prospect when Hand was just an 8th inning guy. Now he has shown he is a top closer too. Preller is going to get an elite prospect out of it. Something close to the Chapman and Miller deals is what he is rightfully asking for and will get it. The playoffs demonstrated in spades the importance of top relievers and Hand is the best available.
Lorenzo
Yes, Preller will expect no less than a top level prospect for Hand, and like at the trade deadline, will get nothing but mid-level prospects offered. I expect Hand to be the Padres’ closer in ’18.
LA Sam
He’ll wait until Hand breaks down….THEN work his magic….”that’s not duct tape….I NEVER !”
Brixton
Every potential trade is gonna get downvoted a million times because everyone disagrees on his value.
Precedent suggests he’ll get at least one really good prospect or an MLB regular.
Yankees, Cardinals, Red Sox, Astros and Nats all make a bunch of sense.
Something like Derek Fisher and David Paulino could make a bunch of sense
jollybucnroger
Hand should return one team’s top 5-8 prospect and then a 15-20 as well. Not as much of a return as Champman obviously but he is still a difference maker in the bullpen, especially for a team already primed for the postseason
Brixton
Why would 2 years of Brad Hand get less than what any other top flight reliever traded in the last 3 years costed?
jollybucnroger
If the Pads can get it then good for them. I just don’t see them getting a Chapman type return. If the pads can get one top flight prospect for a bullpen guy who won’t be around when they are contenders I think they should be happy. But hey, maybe some team will be overly aggressive
jollybucnroger
*Chapman or A. Miller.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
As someone pointed out on another thread, two years of Brad Hand will produce more WAR than two months of Aroldis Chapman.
jollybucnroger
It’s all relative though. Obviously two full seasons will produce more WAR. The Cubs weren’t worried about WAR when they made the trade mid season for Chapman. They knew they were in a position to win it all and they paid a high (rightfully so in hindsight)price to do so . Hand will bring back a nice return just not Chapman or Miller level.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Yeah, the Cubs put a premium on the 2016 season and for that season, Chapman was the best thing they could get. And Miller had two years of control after that season so that is why he returned two blue chippers as opposed to just one like Chapman. No one who isn’t a complete homer expects Hand to net the same return as Chapman or Miller but he will net at least one impact prospect.
outinleftfield
So you are trying to say that the Padres won’t get as much for 2 years of Hand at $3-5 million per season than the Yankees got for a 3 month rental of Chapman at 3 times the salary. Whatever you are smoking, you need to put the pipe down.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
What I’m saying is the Cubs put a premium on the 2016 season and Chapman was the best thing they could get for that season. No, I don’t think Hand will get a prospect as good as Gleyber Torres. But he will get an impact prospect.
outinleftfield
Torres is who Preller asked for last year at the deadline. That is exactly the kind of impact prospect he seems to want. It would make sense that he would be willing to take a good young and controllable MLB player as well. Considering that both Miller and Chapman got a return that included at least one of that level of prospect, it makes sense that Preller is asking for one for Hand. He might be flexible on the secondary players, I don’t believe he will bend on the level of the main piece.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Brad Hand isn’t Miller or Chapman.
rivera42
WestCoast, weren’t you arguing this past trade deadline that Hand was as good as Miller and would net a similar return? I remember debating this with a Padres fan, and I believe it was you.
thegreatcerealfamine
You are correct sir!!!
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
No, I never said Hand was as good as Miller. My discussion was you was about how the Yankees trading for Hand made no sense considering he’s basically a poor man’s Andrew Miller and the Yankees already traded Andrew Miller away. You said “They traded him away because of the return they got for him” and I said it didn’t matter how good the return they got for him was because he’s not a guy you should be looking to trade in the first place if you have any intention of contending which the Yankees obviously do. But I agree with your other comment that the bullpen isn’t necessarily an area of weakness for the Yankees.
rivera42
The Yankees did not expect to contend until 2019. Their window of contention opened up a lot sooner than they expected it to. Obviously, not many could’ve predicted that. Can’t fault them for that. Even without Miller, they have amassed an impressive bullpen. Frazier and Sheffield are also very nice, young, cost-controlled pieces for the future. They’ll come in handy, one way or another.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I might be in the minority but I expected them to contend in 2017, so I found the Miller trade questionable to begin with. But if they feel their bullpen is sufficient without him then OK.
thegreatcerealfamine
Yea the best bullpen in MLB is pretty sufficient. Ryan try peddling your wares to another teams fan base.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Bro I literally said trading for Hand doesn’t make sense for the Yankees
bleacherbum
Because people hate on the Padres, there really is no reason other than that. Market value is what is but people still want to low-ball. There have been plenty of trade comps similar, like the Will Smith trade of the ’16 deadline but people want to be ignorant and bash Hand while not listening to logical reason as to why he should get back a nice haul.
Padres2019ha
I don’t think the Will Smith package can even be compared anymore. Hand is much more valuable. Control, Cheap, Lefty, peripherals.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
The most oft-cited comparable is the Giants’ trade for Will Smith last year. Brewers got Phil Bickford and Andrew Susac out of that trade. Bickford was ranked around #60 on MLBPipeline at the time and Susac was a Major League ready catcher who was blocked by Buster Posey. If they do a 1-for-1 trade then I’d shoot for a prospect ranked somewhere in the 30’s
seamaholic 2
Huh? Will Smith isn’t in Hand’s league. Not even close.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Hand is better but Smith had 3.5 years of control when he was traded. Hand has two.
outinleftfield
Preller asked for Torres 1 for 1. What makes you think that he would accept less now?
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
The fact that Torres was kinda unrealistic to begin with. The Yankees aren’t desperate to end a 108-year playoff drought like the Cubs were a year and a half ago.
outinleftfield
The Yankees have not been to or won a WS since 2009, have only been to the playoffs twice in the past 5 season after missing the playoffs only once in the 18 seasons prior, they just fired their manager, after just missing making the WS last season because of pitching woes. I would say that qualifies them as desperate.
Go ahead Yankees fans, downvote the truth. You know that for you going that long without a WS appearance means you are gasping for air in desperation. It’s nice to have a player like Judge, but you would gladly trade him for a WS trophy.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
They are set up very well for the future and the bullpen is the least of their concerns at this point
rivera42
You cannot be serious! Have been to the playoffs twice in the past five seasons? Yes, because that has such a bearing on the Yankees’ ability to make the playoffs going forward. It’s called a rebuild, and it’s almost complete…ahead of schedule, too.
They missed the WS because of pitching woes? I would say it was more because they scored a whopping 3 runs in 4 games in Houston.
Yankees, desperate? Hardly. They haven’t pushed anything that wasn’t ready. When the farm was barren and the big league roster was full of old vets and albatross contacts, yes. Now? Sorry, no desperation here. No need for it as Cashman’s plan is developing before his eyes.
Lastly, lest you forget, the pen does contain Chapman, Betances, Robertson, Green, Kahnle, Warren, Shreve/Heller/German. I don’t see a better pen out there, do you? So, the need for Hand is definitely not great when it comes to the Yankees.
thegreatcerealfamine
rivera…these guys are two peas in a pod. One being a fan of the Padres who’s been pushing Hand to everyone for a year. The other one is an Orioles fan who constantly develops theories about the Yanks usually with wrong facts…
rivera42
Lol, an O’s fan? Ok, now it makes a lot more sense.
thegreatcerealfamine
Yea and a SJW wannabe at that. West coast Ryan is just bat sh** crazy…
seamaholic 2
Lol, way more than that.
Houston We Have A Solution
1 top 100 plus
1 in 10 ro 15 range or
2 in the 15 to 20 range.
Jumanji
How has no one made a Seinfeld joke by now like, “The Padres have Hand, and they’re going to need him !” Is it 100% millennials on here ?
Benklasner
What was the cost for kimbrell again?
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Brad Hand isn’t Craig Kimbrel and as such, won’t get the type of return Craig Kimbrel got. But he will get at least one impact prospect and the acquiring team’s fans will think they overpaid.
outinleftfield
It’s not just about the career stats of other players. It’s also about supply and demand. Who is available on the market. Hand was the best reliever in 2017 of those available in FA or trade. Better than Davis, Holland or Britton. He had a better season than Chapman had this past season. He also will make less money for 2 years than any of them for just one and is under contractual control for 2 seasons.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Two words: track record
cygnus2112
If the Cards could also score Wil Meyers who with the last 4 years of his contract being on the high side for the Padres from a historical perspective, I’d be down and yes, I’d give up Reyes (and more) for a return like that…
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Lol I’d be down with that
outinleftfield
You would trade the only player on your team that had an OPS+ or wOBA or wRC+ above average for Reyes? LMAO. No wonder people make fun of you on here.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Yes, I would trade a good-not-great first baseman who is owed $78.5m over the next 5 years for the arguable best pitching prospect in baseball.
PS: Are you ever gonna use your Pads Fans account again? Troll.
outinleftfield
You certainly are a troll. That is why you are downvoted so much.
You claim to be a Padres fan so you know that Myers is your best player. Everyone else on their team had an OPS+, wOBA and wRC under league average. He was the only one that wasn’t. 30 home runs. 20 SB. .792 OPS.
Reyes won’t see the mound in a game that means anything until 2019 and not even the O’s meddling owner would trade his best player for a pitching prospect that is not going to pitch for a year.
Making suggestions like that is exactly what proves that you are a troll that is here to try to stir up stuff, not to discuss baseball.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Yeah, I get downvoted by you and your many backup accounts.
Myers being their best player has more to do with how bad the rest of the team was than Myers himself. Among all Major League first basemen he came in 19th of 23 in OPS and 18th in WAR. Then consider that he is owed $78.5m. His trade value is barely even positive.
Reyes was the single best pitching prospect in the game before his injury and Tommy John surgery is not the demon it used to be. There’s a good chance he comes back as good as before. Why would he not pitch in a game that means anything until 2019? Come opening day he will be a year removed from Tommy John surgery. If he recovers at a normal pace he would easily be back on the mound by August.
It’s not a suggestion. I know you two are the same person. You two have yet to disagree on one thing, have all the same phrases and reference the same articles at around the same times.
You keep coming back and getting smacked back down with facts outinleftfield. That’s four arguments you’ve failed at on this thread alone. Do yourself a favor and quit while you are far behind.
padreforlife
Sure u would he’s owed 66 and Cardinals or any other team wouldn’t be interested unless salary dump exchange
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
He’s owed $78.5m not $66m Einstein
padreforlife
Wil Myers, 1B: $66MM through 2022 (includes $1MM buyout for $20MM club option in 2023
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
$4.5m in 2018. $5.5m in 2019, $22.5m in 2020, 2021 and 2022 and then a $1m buyout in 2023. Adds up to $78.5m.
#getsmacked
Padres2019ha
Done!
demmer19
Add the Jays to the list. The number of rule 5 prospects they could lose, would be nice to get something!
bleacherbum
The Padres would probably want Gurriel plus Reid-Foley if talks began with the Jays.
outinleftfield
Gurriel is a utility guy. While we don’t know what Preller is asking for Hand now, we know that he was asking for an elite prospect plus at the deadline last season. He wouldn’t ask less now. Who are the Blue Jays elite prospects? The guys that are top 30 or higher overall. Guerrero, Bichette, and maybe Alford. That is where a successful package would start for Hand. The question for the Blue Jays is, do they really think they are close enough to contend for a playoff spot.
demmer19
Pentecost or tellez and Connor Greene.
Houston We Have A Solution
Hand will be a Jay if the Jays offer Bichette and Perdomo with padres sending prospects along with Hand like Paddack and Cordero
or
Warmoth, Pearson, Perdomo
Warmoth, Zeuch, Perdomo
Jkolti
If the Padres trade hand to the cards, Diaz seems like a good piece for that trade.
seamaholic 2
Not sure if Cards have a different Diaz you’re referring to, but Aledmys (sp?) is almost valueless. A Cards package for Hand starts with one of their best pitching prospects and adds from there.
Jkolti
I didn’t say their values we’re equal, I’m just saying aledmys doesn’t have much of a place in STL anymore, and the Padres we’re connected to profar and other shortstops, so it seems like a good fit. Obviously much more would need to be added on the STL side, but I think Diaz would make sense in the deal.
brownbomber
Diaz along with Hudson and Voit
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Here’s a major issue. I’m assuming if the Padres are going to trade for a SS it’s going to be for a SS that’s actually a SS not one that’s strictly a bat first guy. At least it would behoove them especially if they are going to transition to younger Pitchers coming through there system. Diaz definitively is not a SS.
Connorsoxfan
Aren’t the Padres loaded in the outfield? I don’t see them looking for more OF prospects.
seamaholic 2
Umm no
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
They are. Renfroe, Margot, Jankowski, Dickerson, Pirela, etc.
davidcoonce74
Alex Dickerson? Jose Pirela? Those guys are pushing 30 and Dickerson missed all of last season. Pirela’s half-season was nice but it screams “fluke” and there’s a reason he was a 27-year old minor league free agent. I wouldn’t pencil any of those guys in as a long-term outfield asset. Jankowski might be a solid 4th outfielder, a singles hitter with speed and defense – basically, what Cam Maybin was. Margot is the real deal and Renfroe has a huge bust potential but maybe could figure out the strike zone and defense. I’d say they could still use outfielders. This isn’t the Marlins we’re talking about, or even the Red Sox.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
LOL says the guy who still claims that tanking isn’t a legitimate strategy after the last 4 World Series winners built their team that way.
padreforlife
Janko is not MLB player, Dickerson injured journeyman, Pierla older guy who can’t field
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
hurrrrr da durrrrr
*fart noises*
saavedra
They aren’t “loaded”, but they have enough decent/intriguing talent in order to not be interested unless it’s a “can’t miss” type of guy (think Verdugo).
brownbomber
Cards trade diaz, hudson, voit to padres for hand
GarryHarris
Why would the Padres trade Brad Hand? They are not a farm for the rest of MLB; they are trying to build their own team.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Because he only has two more years of control and the Padres aren’t going to contend in those two years and because on rebuilding teams, overachieving relievers are usually the first to go. Nothing says they can’t trade him then re-sign him after the 2019 season, similar to what the Yankees did with Aroldis Chapman.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Why wouldn’t they? You don’t build around relievers. To much volatility when discussing RPs. Not only that obtaining serious cost controlled impact talent is the biggest factor.
jamesonbishop
Hand to the Cardinals for Brett Cecil, Randall Grichuk, Sam Tuivaillala, Rowan Wick, and Austin Gomber. This trade would make both teams better.
Injediwetrust
That does nothing to help the Padres. Cecil is on the wrong side of 30 and I’m sure his inclusion has a lot to do with the 22M owed for the next three years. They can sign Craig Stammen for less and know what they are getting. Jose Pirela was a better option than Mr grichuk last year. They can stay the course there. . The other three pitchers are no better than internal options they already have. Just stop.
Houston We Have A Solution
Hand, Solarte, and someone like Paddack for Flaherty, Grichuk, and Diaz makes more sense.
Padres get Diaz and Grichuk for multiple years plus a high upside starter in Flaherty who is MLB ready.
Houston We Have A Solution
Hand to the
Rockies for Pint and Hampson
Nationals for Kieboom and Fedde
Red Sox for Groome, Chatham, Beeks
Cardinals for Diaz, Grichuk, and Flaherty- padres send solarte and paddack back to the Cardinals
Houston We Have A Solution
To the Dodgers for Diaz, Oaks, Lux.
bluejays12345
Jays?
jamess-7
I thought Preller was this keen observer of talent? Why are we obsessed with getting guys on the top 100 when Preller should have an idea of where the hidden gems are? I’d be happy with something like this;
Hand to the Cards for 3B/1B Tyler O’Neil and 2 sleepers.
Hand to the Astros for 3B Colin Moran or Forrest Whitley and 2 sleepers.
Hand to the Red Sox for blocked prospects Bobby Dalbec or Micheal Chavis and, you guessed it, 2 Preller specials.
Padres2019ha
your comment makes absolute zero sense. You always try and get sleepers, along w those “can’t miss” “top” prospects
mlb fan
Preller a keen observer of talent?…….I think that since AJ Preller’s whirlwird debut of a couple of years ago when he raided the farm to acquire mostly Matt Kemp and Craig Kimbrel, the jury is still out on him as a general manager…..
Padres2019ha
He’s an an absolute stud when it comes to international talent, yes. He has made plenty of mistakes, but the Padres farm is incredibly deep with young international kids. His decisions on mlb talent has been suspect, but some of that was pressure from the front office. And he got back more from the red Sox than we gave up for Kimbrel, plus got a full season out of him. Preller has balls, that’s for sure.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
He got more than he gave up for Kimbrel because part of what he “gave up” for Kimbrel was taking Melvin Upton who the Braves would have released within 24 hours if we hadn’t taken him. He didn’t attach any bad contracts to Kimbrel when he traded him away which allowed him to maximize the prospect return.
mlb fan
I still have a hard time with how Preller gave up Trea Turner and Joe Ross only to reverse course and go right back into rebuild mode…..
padreforlife
Because Preller was unfit for job and had one of worst off seasons in baseball history setting Padres back for years with those moves
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Estupido
Paco 3
I’m a lifelong Padre fan & AJ Preller is by far the worst GM SD has ever had. He had the opportunity to assemble a great team & blew it by aquiring “names”, not good sound baseball players. The rebuilding process he is selling has been the SD mode through out the years, that’s nothing new.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Stupid casual fan
padreforlife
Shut up Ryan Paco right
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Work on that grammar!
Paco 3
Hahaha… arguments not insults! You must be a Preller believer! Just one name: Trea Turner! Hahaha! Too bad Preller is not going to last much more
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
He’s not coming back whether we like it or not (I don’t). But past moves don’t have any bearing on present and future moves and you clearly haven’t been paying attention to what has been going on over the past 2 years. But idk what I would expect from a casual fan.
padreforlife
Casual fan? What is that. Preller has been utter failure.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
You mean like how you are an utter failure as a commenter? :}
saavedra
We Padres fans don’t say the “T” word out loud. It causes too much pain.
padreforlife
Past moves don’t have any bearing? Where do you come up with this?
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
You see, those of us who aren’t mentally disabled realize that what previous regimes did and what Preller did during 2015 when they were trying (inadvisably) to win has no bearing on what they do now, when they are rebuilding.
Paco 3
The past two years? Which decision or decisions you refer: extending Wil Myers?, Aquiring Javier Guerra as the future SS? Drafting Hudson Potts (ranked 90) instead of Carter Kieboom (he was the logical choice)? Or Eric Lauer instead of Dakota Hudson? Or Buddy Reed instead of Alec Hansen? Bad decision after bad decision! But I try to understand you are drooling with the International draft signees, let me remind you that they are 16-17 year old kids who are far from being ready at 2019 when SD is going to contend, according to Preller… hahahahaha casual fan!
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Don’t like the Myers extension. Guerra was just one part of that trade and was supposed to be good. We aren’t the only team to have a prospect flame out. Potts and Lauer signed for below slot which allowed us to go over-slot on Quantrill, Thompson and whoever else (each team has a finite cash pool that they are allowed to use to sign their draftees but there’s no way you knew about that).
saavedra
Children please, stop arguing. you both are right and wrong. Time will tell how good or bad Preller has been.
padreforlife
How about off season from hell? Signing Shields, trading for Kemp and Myers. Last 2 years 80mil dead contracts. Brewers GM make dumbass moves like Preller? No
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Pretty sure the “offseason from Hell” was the Diamondbacks two years ago
Paco 3
There was no need to extend Wil Myers! .240-.260 hitter, 25-30 HRs & 170 Ks, bad defense; Guerra was supposed to be good (that’s precisely Prellers homework & didn’t do it); Wasn’t Quantril drafted at Number 8 because he was going to sign for below the slot? (Cause he was coming from Tommy John), common give me valid arguments!
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Quantrill signed for above slot. As of me typing this, only 2 guys taken after him are ranked higher than him on MLBPipeline and neither one is the guy everyone thought Preller should have taken over Quantrill. The Kimbrel trade was huge for the Padres even with Guerra busting.
saavedra
why do people keep saying Guerra is a bust? You can be a great shortstop without a big bat, if he’s good defensively, I’m all in to let him play. Can’t be any worse than Alexi Ramiez, Barmes or Aybar.
Paco 3
Preller is so inept that he does not even have the capacity to be bad (tank), like Houston did it & be the first to draft 3 consecutive years.
Paco 3
Preller is so stupid that he got suspended for hidding medical records in trades with the Marlins & the players who got injured (two Tommy John surgeries), were the ones he aquired (Chris Paddack & Anderson Espinoza)… hahahaha he’s a real amateur trying to play with pros…
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Dumb ass
padreforlife
Name calling wow Ryan you are cutting edge
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
What are you gonna do? Beat me with your extra chromosome?
Padres2019ha
He’s had his ups and downs, like every GM. He’s still learning, this is his first GM position. To say he’s the the worst Padres GM ever is ignorant af.
padreforlife
They have had so many underperforming GM’s in their history but Preller is up there.
Paco 3
Agree with the “worst GM” accolade… time will tell! The problem is that the majority of the moves he has made, have been very bad ones, starting with the “go for all” year, which has had consequences, like all the dead money & getting rid of Trea Turner when SD has had lots of difficulty trying to get a regular SS… and so on… And the position of GM it’s not in the job learning!
padreforlife
Who in their right mind gives Wil Myers 82 mil extension
mlb fan
@padre4life…I think in the future MLB will only gives these types of contracts to pitchers and players who have an all around game, not just big bats….
padreforlife
He’s not big bat, has little if any baseball intelligence and poor fielder.