Nov. 14: USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets that Boras and Martinez have set an early asking price of $210MM over the life of a seven-year term.
Nov. 8: Teams that have spoken to agent Scott Boras about new client J.D. Martinez have come away with the impression that Boras and Martinez are seeking a deal in the vicinity of $200MM in total guarantees, tweets ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick. Martinez hired Boras as his new representative just days before the free-agent period began.
It’s a jarring number to see associated with the 30-year-old Martinez, though he certainly helped his case with an otherworldly season at the plate. Though Martinez missed the first five-plus weeks of the season due to a ligament injury in his foot, he nonetheless swatted 45 home runs in a career year at the plate. On the whole, Martinez slashed a ridiculous .303/.376/.690 with a career-high 10.8 percent walk rate through 489 plate appearances between the Tigers and D-backs.
In addition to his newfound plate discipline, Martinez’s 49 percent hard-contact rate was the best in the Majors of any player with at least 450 plate appearances. That stat may even undersell the extent to which he impressed in that regard; the next-highest percentage was Joey Gallo’s mark of 46.4 percent. Statcast data pegged Martinez’s average exit velocity of 90.8 mph 15th among players that put at least 100 balls in play this past season, and he ranked third in the league in barrel percentage and tied for fourth in total number of barreled balls despite the early-season layoff.
There’s little point in doubting Martinez’s status as an elite bat after his impressive four-year run between Detroit and Arizona, but he still comes with plenty of red flags. Martinez has tallied 1973 innings in right field over the past two seasons and turned in an awful mark of -27 Defensive Runs Saved (though 2017’s mark of -5 was a noted improvement over 2016’s ghastly -22). Ultimate Zone Rating is similarly down on his glovework, rating him 25 runs below average. Statcast’s new Outs Above Average metricT suggested that Martinez converted five fewer outs than an average defensive outfielder would have in 2017. That he’s missed 85 games over the past two years due to injury and will turn 31 next August both figure to limit his earning capacity to some degree as well.
We ranked Martinez as the No. 2 free agent on the market this winter and pegged him for a six-year, $150MM deal. If Boras’ aim is to secure a $200MM payday for his newest client, though, he’ll need to broker a deal of at least seven years in length — if not eight. While that’s difficult to envision, it’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Both Jacoby Ellsbury and Shin-Soo Choo landed seven year contracts in their recent trips through free agency, with Choo’s contract beginning in his age-31 campaign. A seven-year contract for Martinez is not outside the realm of possibility, though it also goes without saying that any agent would aim high entering free agency. While Martinez should have no shortage of teams with interest, there are very few clubs that can realistically afford to pay him at that level.
Boras spoke to Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic about Martinez’s free-agent case and specifically referenced the free agencies of Ellsbury and Choo — both his clients — as well as fellow Boras clients Matt Holliday, Jayson Werth and Carlos Beltran. Boras indicated that he feels Martinez, who hit 40+ homers this season and has established himself as a .300 hitter, is a cut above that group (and above more recent cases like Yoenis Cespedes and Justin Upton) while entering free agency at a similar age. “It’s a very rare place. It’s a unique place,” said Boras. “…all of these guys that are at this level, they’re really good players. None of them were in the 45 [homer] and .300 [average] category.”
Asked whether he felt the Diamondbacks could be a realistic landing spot in free agency, Boras unsurprisingly suggested that he firmly believes that to be the case.
“You don’t sign Greinke and not sign this guy,” said Boras in a reference to Zack Greinke’s six-year, $206.5MM contract with the D-backs. “I mean, once you drop in the pool, you’re in the water. Once you’re in the water, it’s kind of hard to say you’re not wet.” Boras called D-backs owner Ken Kendrick a “competitive owner” and suggested that the onus will fall on Kendrick to increase payroll or find a way to fit the slugger onto the team’s books moving forward. Piecoro’s column is full of quotes from the polarizing Boras and is well worth a full read.
casey
Boras is a comedian.
CursedRangers
Agreed! J.D. will be the next Boras client that is unsigned right before Spring Training.
I love baseball up until I start seeing the numbers thrown out by Boras. Somehow he always gets his players crazy numbers, but it’s bonkers.
mikeyank55
Not until Trader Dave caves. Then he will
Be a miserable Red Sox player. They will have
blown their salary cap reduction opportunity and fans/press will rip him a new rear end upon first slump.
Flapjax55
I’m a Sox fan and sadly think you are spot on, mikeyank55. I don’t know about “miserable” but I don’t like the sample size enough to pay him the $200M that he will get. I see the barrel and exit velocity stats and become intrigued but he’s not a good defender and IMO not a guy to build the lineup around. I think he may have arrived, but what happens next? I see Jose Bautista. I’d rather pay the premium dollars and talent to land Stanton. This is too. Tito al of a move to wiff on (see Hanley, Panda). There is no one in the pipeline or on the radar like Stanton. Harper will cost $400M.
Flapjax55
* this is too important of a move to wiff on… No Tito pun intended. Just a typo.
philsphan1979
He’s NOT getting anything over 160 mil over 7 years. Realistically 150-155 over 7 years is what he is valued (IMO). I just feel like he’s a jayson werth type of player. Signs a major deal and than falls off the face of earth in 2 years. I just feel bad for the team who signs him
mlb fan
Any GM that signs both Panda and Hanley Ramirez to big dollar contracts in the same offseason should be permenantly barred from ever working in MLB ever again…….Both those deals were high risk, low upside deals from day one…..
jaysfan1988
Try looking at the numbers the owners are making then…
Oh, and who do you go to see when you go to games? The players playing on the field or the owners sitting in the box?
Gret1wg
That’s why there are owners and employees,
Their choice to spend stupid $, this guy will be running like Puhols in 2-3 seasons
ayrbhoy
Then you’d be disgusted at the contracts of the worlds best soccer players- the oil-rich owners of PSG in France recently paid $262 million (transfer fee) to Barcelona just to get the Brazilian forward Neymar. PSG then signed Neymar for 5 years at $700,000 a week after taxes. In total PSG will spend $590M in transfer fees and 5 years of wages! A 590 Million dollar contract on one player
Sid Bream
@ayrbhoy The difference is Neymar is 25 years old., and JD Martinez is 30. PSG are getting full value for one of the best players in the world and for the peak of his career.
JD Martinez may have already peaked. You might get decent value out of him for 3-4 years if you’re lucky.
Flapjax55
Perfectly stated, sir.
ayrbhoy
I completely agree w your point that JD Martinez is not worth $210M- in fact, I don’t think he’ll get much more than $150M but your point about PSG getting value for $590M from Neymar’s contract is with all due respect, absurd!!
Sergio Aguero’s total contract was just over $100M, Paul Pogba’s $204M, the best player in the Premier League right now is Kevin De Bruyne, his contract is $106M!! I’m sorry but Neymar is not value for money- PSG grossly overpaid for a good footballer. Neymar is no better than all those players on my list. His contract, like the figure Boras is asking for JD Martinez is way over market value.
brucewayne
It’s ridiculous ! No player is worth this money! When will it all end? When the common man can’t afford to go to games
km
A billion people know who Neymar is, a few hundred thousand know who JD Martinez is. Millions but Neymar jerseys, a few thousand buy JD jerseys. The revenue sources of Neymar absolutely make it possible for him to live up to the dollars spent to acquire and sign him. Oh and ya, he is one of the best players in the world in a sport that is watched and followed more people in the world than any other sport’s following. One Champions’ League Title or even Final is worth hundreds of millions to PSG.
As most agree, JD Martinez has little to no chance to be worth 210M, let alone 150M.
Sid Bream
@Ayrbhoy The point I was making about Neymar and him being value is the fact that he is 25 years old as opposed to JD Martinez who is 30. By the time Neymar finishes his contract he will be 30, JD Martinez is already 30 and will be 35 based on 5 years.
You asserted Neymar is or was not value for money, maybe not, but the fact is Football is a far far far bigger sport than baseball and NFL put together, it is watched by millions more people worldwide. Go and check how much a subscription is to watch PSG on Bein sports and then multiply that out all over the world, not to mention Neymar merchandise sold all over the world. Whilst I don’t agree that people that play a game should be paid these sorts of monies, if owners are prepared to pay it then such is life. Neymar is worth what the market is willing to pay, in JD Martinez case I don’t believe the market will be willing to pay the money he is seeking unless someone is considerably overestiimating his durability and ability to be able to churn out the numbers year after year into his mid 30’s and reproduce what he did this year. I find it highly doubtful that he will.
Furthermore, Neymar is playing in France and you are comparing him to players in the EPL, sorry but it’s not a good comparison. Let’s just see how many times PSG win the league in France over the 5 years of his tenure and then you can tell me whether the money he was paid was worth it or not. Last but not least Paul Pogba & De Bruyne are attacking midfielders, Neymar is a striker.
GarryHarris
The sad reality is that he might just find someone dumb enough or senile enough to pay it.
MuleorAstroMule
The Gary Matthews Jr contract means in baseball anything is possible.
shane
Yeah! I want $200 million too!
jaysfan1988
Do something worthy of it then
jwarden15
Can’t see anybody paying that much for a 30 year old
vtadave
Boras downvoted this.
MB923
A-Rod, Cano, Price, Pujols, Miggy, Greinke. All got $200+ mil after the age of 30.
I don’t think JD will get that however.
Polish Hammer
And all of those guys got released in their mid 20s too…
Brixton
thats irrelevant. Late career bloomers happen all the time
mlb fan
you cannot really “release” vested MLB players without paying them in Major League Baseball……..all of those guys are still playing for their teams, if even at a fraction of their former selves….
BravesCanada
I️ think you misunderstood. Pretty sure he was sarcastically saying That the list of superstars also got released just like JD did earlier in his career
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Pujols was also 35 when he went to Anaheim. No one else even talked to A-Rod. The Yankees fired him last year and only had to pay him his remaining money from last year. They are off the hook for over 50 mil.
Geebs
The only thing they are off the hook for was the bonus money for milestones (which they gave to charity) and the 1 season he was suspended, otherwise they were are the hook for the contract in its entirety.
mikeyank55
I love when people make stuff up.
fmj
he was not 35. he turned 32 the off-season he signed
gyorkoff
Supposedly 32. Everyone seems to think he’s older than he says he is.
Ironman_4life
Incorrect. Pujols went to Anaheim at age 32.
brucewayne
I’ve heard that Pujols could be at least 6 years older than what he’s claiming!
Lanidrac
Really? Well, who’s the last guy to hit 40+ HRs in his 40’s without the use of PEDs? Pujols’s U.S. Citizenship papers accept that he’s still just 37 (38 in January), and his career path to date matches up pretty well. He’s only declined so quickly these past couple of years due to his bum heel.
NPettinato14
lol Who cares whether it’s with PEDs or not.
Gret1wg
32 Dominican is 35!
brucewayne
Pujols was 32 when he signed with the Angels. Even though there were rumors of him being 6 years older than he stated!
mlb fan
@MB923….The Price, Pujols and Miggy contracts are EASILY in the TOP TEN of most BLOATED BAD mlb contracts EVER…..and you would think that teams have learned something about giving 200+ million dollars to DECLINING ASSET older players……..
Ejemp2006
Those are bloated contracts and they went to two future hall of famers and a pitcher who had the potential to be an all time great. JD Martinez is awesome but not awesome enough to warrant a mega contract.
Z-A 2
Yea, Pujols and Miggy walk into Cooperstown as soon as they hang up their cleats. Price going to Boston is something he will regret, it probably will prevent him from fulfilling the HOF destiny. They’d have to pay a significant portion of that contract to unload him.
pullhitter445
The cubs jayson heyward contract is god awful. $175MM for a good Glover who can’t hit.
brucewayne
He got $183 million! Which was worse!
Solaris601
And I love how so many pundits are still trying to justify Heyward’s obscene contract. The runner met the road in the NLCS when Maddon’s confidence in him became transparent as he platooned him.
Michael Birks
Steep
stroh
Although I am an Astros fan who wishes that J.D. Martinez never got away, that pricetag is insane. Martinez is a below average fielder – has always been that – and is basically best suited to be a DH. And in a couple of years, that is where he will end up full time. So someone will pay $200M (probably) for a DH. I would have thought $80M over 5 years would be more reasonable, but obviously Boras knows better??
outinleftfield
5/$80MM is too low. He will get $25 million AAV, but anything over 6 years has proven to be too long of a contract for a 30-year-old player. Now if he was 26 like Machado and Harper will be when they reach FA, then I could see a $200++ million deal for him. Not at 30. 30 is the age when players begin to decline in performance across the board.
teufelshunde4
If Martinez was more then a DH in waiting he might get 200 mil at 30 yrs old.
Nothing against the guy it’s nice to see a guy rebound from a slow start of career and find himself. I’d wuld be shocked if Martinez got more then 125.
mlb fan
JD Martinez is a really good hitter and slugger who brings zero value EVERYWHERE ELSE…..these kinds of players have been getting slowly devalued throughout mlb the last couple of years……Think Chris Carter…
I too would be shocked if he got more than 5X 18 million per year…..
biasisrelitive
5/80 is as ridiculous as 8/200 likely something like 5/135
Joe Kerr
Too many teams will be in on him to only go 5 years, it will be at least 6, maybe 7 even if it means bringing the AAV down a little bit to get the guaranteed extra year(s).
mlb fan
@J.Kerr……not that many teams were interested to trade for JD Martinez just this past season at the trade deadline even though the price was very low……
I am not suggesting Martinez is not an elite slugger but players that do not bring baserunning or defensive value have slowly been getting devalued these last couple years in MLB……Think Chris Carter and Mark Trumbo, who settled for FAR less than expected despite putting up 50 HRs……
astros_fan_84
JD hits for average. Those guys don’t.
Senioreditor
5/125 if he’s lucky.
shane
And a $75 million one year club option tacked on that end so he doesn’t look stupid.
Joe Kerr
lol
mlb fan
I have JD Martinez, a great slugger with zero defensive and baserunning value, pegged at about 5 yrs at 18 million per year for around 92-96 million TOTAL….he will be a DH within a couple of yrs if not sooner……….
justin-turner overdrive
Who could even afford that on a 30 year old bad defensive RF? The Yankees are saving for the Machado/Harper sweeps and the Dodgers and Cubs have no opening. AZ is about the only team that could give him about $150 but damn, talk about setting the bar too high right out of the gate.
Then again Boras is a master and he will probably look to get him a Chris Davis deal where the team bids against themselves.
Senioreditor
Arizona is not giving him that kind of money. They’re sorry they gave Greinke so much and he’s been good for them. Some AL team will pony up like Texas, Seattle or Toronto.
24TheKid
If Seattle’s paying that much for a player, we need Darvish or Arrieta plus Cobb or Lynn. But Seattle is not going to spend that much.
justinkm19
Texas has plenty of DH options that can’t field
CursedRangers
Amen to that!
terry g
Won’t be Seattle.
justin-turner overdrive
He was really good in that lineup though, they said they wanted him back after their postseason surge. Don’t discount that factor although the Jays are a fit for him too.
TennVol
You definitely dont know Shapiro and Atkins. Piggies will be flying to Mars before they give JDM that kind of money.
ellisburks
Also they would vasically have to pay him 30% more because of the Canadian dollar. Not happening.
jaysfan1988
Dbacks made at least $5M in extra revenue just on the 2 home playoff games alone last season. And thats a conservative guess (40,000 chase field seats x $62.50 average ticket x 2 home games…not even counting revenue, parking, merchandise).
So I think the club is doing just fine..
chesteraarthur
You seem to be forgetting to factor in ANY costs.
seamaholic 2
Red Sox want him bad. That’s where he’s likely going.
ellisburks
Not 200 million bad.
oldleftylong
I’m guess the Giants give him a giant contract. Likely 6/175 and he will bring instant offense to a lousy hitting team. The Giants will also try hard to sign CF Lorenzo Cain who then will cover half of RF for JD.
baseball44
I don’t see Sf even engaging in talks at that asking price. They may have money but I think there trying to get away from long term deal like that.
mlb fan
things have changed in MLB since the Chris Davis deal……Chris Carter and his 45+ HRs went virtually unclaimed this year…..Boras did a helluva job getting Chris Davis and Matt Wieters ALMOST DOUBLE their real values….
cxcx
Things had changed before the Chris Davis deal. The orioles are just dumb.
mlb fan
@cxcx….it is strange because Peter Angelos has long been one of the USA’s most FEARED and successful litigators and lawyers……but Scott Boras played him like an 80 yr old flute…..If Chris Davis is on the Market today I doubt he would break 70 million…..
hinerism
He will sign for somewhere between 140 and 160.
SundownDevil
Boras is the best for a reason, so JDM will come close.
#DocHalladayForever #WeWillNeverForget
Voice of Reason
Did Boras keep a straight face when he said the figure?
Ain’t no team ponying up $200 million for Martinez.
wiggysf
By that logic, Bryce Harper gets $500M. Yeah right. Good luck…
scottaz
My favorite joke applies here: What goes ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, thump? Answer: A man laughing his head off!
Mattimeo09
No offense buddy, but there are so many better jokes out there.
Psychguy
Jarring… like when I saw my ex wife trot out her diaphram while telling me she was spending the night with a friend. Yeah. Jarring.
bbatardo
There is a reason Boras one of the best agents. Jd might not get that but probably end up close.
Paul Miller
Exactly. The next step is for Boras prey on a stupid GM and/or owner to bid against themselves. Typical off season for Boras.
Fever Pitch Guy
There’s nothing wrong with starting out extremely high and waiting to see if anyone bites. If not, then you slowly start lowering the asking price until somebody does. It’s no different than selling a house, you don’t want to have somebody snatch it up right away because that means it was underpriced.
The thing is, teams that have traditionally been big spenders over the past decade or so will not be fighting each other to sign him. The Yankees, Dodgers, Tigers, Cubs, Red Sox and Mets either have no need for him or won’t go anywhere near the $200M mark. I think $150M will be the max, probably over 6 years.
Mattimeo09
Yes there is a problem. Look at Encarnacion! His agent said “Nah, we can beat $80MM.” So every other team moved on and signed someone else until the only teams interested were the Indians and the A’s.
If Boras doesn’t make a realistic offer, JD could be waiting until January.
Fever Pitch Guy
What’s the worst that could happen? JD signs a 2 or 3 year contract at $20-$25M with an opt-out clause after 2018, and then whichever teams have lost out on Stanton/Machado/Harper/Donaldson will pursue him.
chesteraarthur
And signing a contract like that could result in a loss of tens of millions of dollars if he should have a down year in that time frame or suffer an injury. There is a reason that players like long term deals
mlb fan
@chesterA……MLB players whose only tool is power have been getting slowly devalued over the last 3-5 yrs in MLB…We have seen players like Chris Carter and Mark Trumbo sign for MUCH LESS than you would have thought after hitting 45+ HR…..it will be interesting to see what JD Martinez ends up signing for….
Nick4747
Fever pitch guy totally agree he starts @ 200 serves settles for 140+ big differences between him and ee is no competition and a team with a clear need (Boston), him being able to play a position full time (albeit not well), and no draft compensation. He’s the class of this free agency and can get teams that might not want to get involved next year involved (i.e washington).
gorav114
Your right, just today I started out extremely high
brucewayne
LoL! Great post!
SupremeZeus
I don’t think it would be wise for any NL team to sign JD to the length of k that will likely be required to land him. Unless the Dbacks shed Tomas or Greinke’s k, a prudent Dbacks GM wouldn’t come near those terms. Most of the deep pocket teams might be out on JD so if the market doesn’t develop and 4 years are in play then the Dbacks may be in the mix, not likely.
hiflew
Yeah it’s not like he basically carried an NL team into the playoffs this year or anything. Not every defender on a team needs to be a gold glover. Different players bring different skills. He would pair well on a team with a CF that covers a lot of ground like Atlanta or Cincinnati. I’m not suggesting those teams will or even should sign him, but just where he could fit in the NL.
Lanidrac
Right now that’s true, but could you say the same thing about a 35 or 36-year-old Martinez?
jaysfan77
As long as any team but the blue jays give him that kind of money I’m okay with it lmao. Can u imagine. Boras just loves to make headlines he can’t help himself.
tuna411
And, of course, when February rolls around and the mystery team still hasn’t signed martinez, bor-ass shall publicly rip the jays because, well, because he knows the jays should stop being cheap and spend $200,000,000 on JD
realgone2
yeeeeeeeesh.. Lotsa luck to ya JD
gorav114
I don’t think it’s much of a stretch but probably not wise to use Ellsbury and Choo as examples of precident since they are both much maligned contracts. His defense will hold back his market as a team like AZ that might be willing to give him the AAV he wants will not want to do more than 5-6 years. I don’t think he will get more than 150 on a NL team. I predict 6/168 to Boston. Cora indicates he expects the Sox to sign a thumper and they are one of the few teams that can afford him, has DH spot open, and/or isn’t trying to save up for next year’s free agency.
realgone2
I was just about to add it’ll probably be 150
Coast1
Yeah. Boras better hope that no one looks at other 30 something players who got big contracts. I wouldn’t give him more than 5 years and would prefer 4.
If you look at the similar players on BR he shouldn’t be good past age 34.
leftykoufax
I just don’t see him getting 200m.
stymeedone
I love that he referenced Choo’s and Ellsbury’s contracts. What team wouldn’t look at how those two contracts have worked out, and say “I’ve gotta get me some of that!” Kinda like saying this is the best Zepplin since the Hindenburg!
Brixton
because he isn’t referencing what happened after they signed.
stymeedone
If you reference the Hindenburg, it doesn’t matter what context. All you see is flames.
mlb fan
@stymeedone…..you just won the baseball internet for the day with that “Hindenburg” comment….great, insightful and very humorous comment…..
Benklasner
Given uptons same age and after his extension that puts him at 7/160? (Someone please correct me!) With martinez’s better power and advanced batting stats (regardless of his defense) I think he ends up at six years for whatever upton got in total.
hiflew
I think you are wrong, it is closer to 7/159.5. Well, you did ask.
Caseys Partner
So can you start an article speculating where JDM might find a “pillow contract”?
Why wait until February?
Brixton
I don’t think you know what a pillow contract is
AngelFan69
With the junk I throw…. I can strike out MLB hitting (I had in the past) and I will be a bargain pitcher for 1/3 of that …
asuchrisc
IMO this is all a way to lessen the shock value of the asking price of Harper and Machado down the road. And the teams that signed Choo and Ellsbury most likely regret them. Baseball has changed and being 30 looking for 6/7 years is going to be tough to get.
Phoenixdownyjr
I don’t want a Nelson Cruz moment in the world series in my RF. Anyone agree?
jaysfan77
I didn’t notice a mention in all the stats in the article how much home runs were up league wide, and factoring that in to his stats, if your gonna give stats lay em out.
tuner49
Agreed- Is 45 the “new 35” for 2017 and beyond
shoewizard
It’s not out the realm of possibility that some team ponies up 6/180 for JD, although it doesn’t seem likely.
Because of health and defense concerns, hard to see him getting a 6th year.
If 5 years, could the avg annual be as high as 30 and he gets 5/150 ? Possible, but I think if you look at Upton for 5/106, the highest you can reasonably justify for JD is 5/125, in my opinion.
But the markets often surprise us, so we’ll see.
cosmic
His former agency should send him an “I told you so” note when Boras’ bluster fails to deliver.
angelsfan4life
He is a below average defender. Has only played in more than 125 games in a single season once. There isn’t much of a market for outfielders. So the only GM who will that dumb, is in Seattle. Once it goes bad, he will put the blame on someone else. And claim he never wanted him.
Stevil
Always good to see a bitter Angels fan!
angelsfan4life
Am I wrong though?
mrnatewalter
News updates like these are what make this season my favorite time of the year.
greg 14
Boras is a broker. It’s his job to say this stuff. Never ask never get. And think about how many ridiculous contracts he’s gotten teams to pay. It only takes one idiot for Boras to look like a genius.
majorflaw
“Boras is a Broker.”
No, he is an agent. They are not remotely the same.
ChrisSki
Martinez has a history of injuries and averaged 120 games the last two seasons. I see him getting 4 years $110 million.
Ken In Sac
I️ hope he signs with the Giants or Dbacks for that amount.
pseudostats
Nah, Boston. They need pitching, but let them add more bats.
tigerdoc616
You can always ask, does not mean you are going to get it. And honestly, 6 yrs, $150M might be a reach. Not that many teams willing to pay that for a 30 y/o slugger. The worry about him peaking and regressing during a contract of 6 or more years will scare a lot of teams away. Plus, the teams that usually have the money, also have pretty set corner OF spots.
His defense is less than stellar, but hardly anything to worry about. Passable for a guy who hits like JD. You can bet Bora$$ will downplay it to potential suitors. And with a guy like Bora$$, don’t expect JD to sign quickly this off season.
milkychavez
Insanity, Martinez is a very good player I agree, but $200 mil is Boras shooting for the moon. J Upton is a better all round player who didn’t get that kind of scratch
fighterflea
If $140 M (over 6 yrs.) is the new $200 M then J.D. is set. Not bad numbers for what he’s earned to date. No one in his family going hungry any time soon.
pseudostats
JUp was a mediocre outfielder his first year in Detroit just like JD. JD was a game changer with the bat over those two years, more consistent than JUp.
milkychavez
4/100, no more, no less
pseudostats
Good for JD. He won’t get it, but he might as well shoot for the stars.
stretch123
My god this is unrealistic. He’ll end up with 140-150.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
So an industry that wouldn’t even trade a single top prospect for Martinez at the trade deadline is going to give him $200 million because of a small sample size in Arizona?
I doubt it.
stymeedone
At the trade deadline, only the top teams in the standings would have been looking for a rental. Among them, there was little demand for OF. Now, he will not be a rental, and all teams can kick the tires.
cygnus2112
Boris be like….. “But there’s no draft compensation attached.”
Unreal
EasternLeagueVeteran
$c00000000t B00000000ra$ + (you name him) Free Agent = there are never enough zeros after the first digit. Reality check: if the Yankees won’t blow past the tax limit and the Dodgers and Red Sox aren’t likely to add those kind of numbers to their budget, then all of that bluster is just $m0000000ke from a very distant fire, or whatever leaf Mr Boras is smoking these days.
Jimcarlo Slaton
He’s 30 so there’s a fair chance of decline in a couple years if he’s not juicing (with Jack Lalanne).
EasternLeagueVeteran
LOL. Jack Lalanne was a better fielder.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
Maybe he can sign a contract per AB? How much for one rib?
thecoffinnail
Unless Boras can get a team to bid against themselves there is no way JDM sees $200 million.. The only big spender rumored to be in on JDM is the Red Sox. The Sox are currently sitting at $146 million in payroll and if you factor in their arb raises (roughly $50 million by MLBTR’s figures) they get to $196 million.. So, JDM with an AAV would put them over the tax and since this will be their first year after a reset his contract will cost them 20% in taxes.. At $25 million that would be an additional $5 million.. Martinez has a nice bat but does he possess a $30 million dollar bat? I would have to say no.. Plus, his defense is pretty bad when compared to a player like Cespedes (who outside of CF is regarded as well above average especially in LF)
It should be entertaining to see which teams Boras decides to attack this offseason for being “cheap” and “not doing everything they can to win..”
bastros88
does that make sense what boras said…….so zack greinke, one of the best pitchers in the game who got paid accordingly (depends who you ask), should get paid the same as J.D Martine? I wish boras was my agent
Solaris601
Boras is nothing more than a used car salesman on a grand stage. Most of what he says is pure speculation. Ultimately his goal is to compel owners to overpay for an albatross, and he often meets that goal.
driftcat28 2
That’s crazy. But I wouldn’t be all that surprised if he got something in the neighborhood of it. Thinking he’ll sign a 7-8 year, 180-200 MM contract with someone
Michael Birks
I hope it isn’t Boston
Paul Miller
But they might be stupid enough to do it with Dombrowski at the helm.
Retired NFL Player
Lol @ Boras and Martinez.
Lanidrac
I suppose it’s possible that someone would overpay with that kind of contract, as we’ve seen it plenty of times before, but those contracts all ended terribly (or will end terribly in the case of Pujols), and I’d like to think today’s GMs have learned from those mistakes.
In short, nobody should be giving Martinez an 8-year contract or paying him more than $25M per season. Guys like Holliday and Beltran were under 30 when they signed their big deals that turned out pretty well, and they still only signed for 7 years each.
At the very least, let’s hope nobody is stupid enough to backload such a deal like with the Pujols and Stanton contracts.
kyredsox17
Red Sox need a bat like his bad. Hopefully Dave can talk him down. Why would any fan say a negative thing about Boras? The guy gets the most for his clients nearly every time; that is what he and every single agent is supposed to do. When you buy something that is negotiable you don’t just take the list price and leave; and you don’t try and sell an item for it’s lowest value…Unless of course you stole this item…but I️ don’t think Boras kidnapped Martinez.
kyredsox17
*But I don’t think Boras kidnapped Martinez.*
mlb fan
you are right about Boras getting the most money for TOP CLIENT$……
BUT, he often leaves lesser clients holding the bag(Ryan Madsen, Kendrys Morales and Steven Drew)while they hold out for money that is NOT coming.
And a LOT of his clients end up being among the MOST HATED people in baseball, ala Alex Rodriguez, Matt Harvey, and Manny Ramirez…….
jmi1950
It won’t be Boston because DD does his shopping before the winter meetings — Kimbrel, Price, Sale Moreland , all done in Nov or early Dec. Whereas, Boras holds out to the bitter end for top $.
Paul Miller
DD has been known to be a shopper in February – Prince Fielder
mlb fan
letting it leak that you want 200 million could actually work against JD Martinez, since it could actually scare away some teams seeking a more reasonably priced slugging outfielder….
CJ81
Isn’t referencing the ellsbury and choo deals just boras bragging about how he tricked people into bad contracts? Not sure why teams continue to overpay so badly.
Paul Miller
It’s quite simple actually. Stupidity and desperation when GM’s miss out on other options!
kam3hameha
This is just too much for him. I get that he’s looking for that big one to get him through the rest of his career, but in my eyes he hasn’t completely proven himself yet. There are tiers for these players, and I just don’t think he’s at that $200 mil tier. The sad part is, someone will probably pay it.
GarryHarris
Background:
Point 1) Under Dave Dombrowski and his managers, Detroit didn’t try to develop baseball fundamentals . Point 2) Even when the Tigers were winning, players were padding their resumes for another team. Magglio Ordonez told the Latin media in early 2005 that his goal was to get healthy and go play for a winner elsewhere. That was the dominant MO of the Tiger players until Jim Leyland called them out. That same MO returned after Miguel Cabrera’s outrageous contract. With that mindset, after being injured, Martinez was playing it safe in the OF with the goal of a big free agency payday. JD Martinez is not a poor fielder. He can run, catch and has a good arm. He rarely calls on his team first, Baseball IQ. He spent the last two seasons trying NOT to hurt himself in the OF.
People use raw statistics to show that JD Martinez is a bad fielder. He’s not but, his statistics show it. Both raw statistics and derived. However, raw statistics and derived statistics don’t always match and in some cases, are used to prove a pre-arrived at conclusion. Mostly because they have “flare”. For example: Raw statistics show that Nick Markakis is an exceptional and steady fielder whereas his derived statistics show he is a weak fielder. My point is that statistics are a tool but, not especially the best tool for evaluating players. There is an art to scouting.
jdgoat
No, he is a bad fielder. He’s misplayed balls that had no business of dropping. If he was more worried about getting paid anyways and not putting the team first, hes definitely not a guy I’m giving a big contract to.
GarryHarris
I’m with you. Any owner that pays $210M is ……
fathead112805
He’s this years Trumbo….asking for too much and will have to settle well below
jdgoat
The difference there is that Martinez is actually good though and wants to get paid, where Trumbo is bad and wanted to get paid
scottbour
Boras at his best. Asking for twice what JD is worth. So tired of the Boras rhetoric every season.
quicsilver
Hope to see the Red Sox sign him to a massive contract and regret it like another Pablo Sandoval…
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Or David Price
Michael Birks
Or Chris Davis
kbarr888
Suddenly……Several Teams “Are Calling The Marlins” to ask about Giancarlo Stanton……….His deal looks like a Bargain next to this one…….LOL
He has more Raw Power than Martinez
He is 2 years, 3 months Younger than Martinez
He is signed for a lower AAV than the asking price.
His Defensive Skills are 2-3 times Better than Martinez.
……(dWar…NL…RF…..Stanton rank tied at #5……Martinez tied at #41)
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Except he has complete control and is already paid. So the destination might essentially already be pre determined. Although to be quite honest this might be a great case study/example along with others the next couple of years as to whether Stanton opts outs. Does the precedent continue as to age playing a major factor in overall length of contract as it has the last year or two?
stroh
Agree. Stanton at $29.5M a year for 10 years is a bargain compared to Martinez at $30M a year for 7 years. Actually it’s not even close. And I am a JD Martinez fan. I really don’t think JD is worth more than $16-18M/year for 5 years – and that is steep. Great hitter, great power, but ultimately a DH. Stanton is a beast, all around, 5-tool, all world.
tfranco
But that is not the full equation in order to make a thorough decision.
JD plus any players/prospects needed to give up to get Stanton v. Stanton less any salary paid by Marlins. Additionally, Stanton’s opt out at end of 2020 does pose a risk. A more realistic comparison is:
Option 1.: JD for 6yr/$160M but keep Benintendi or Devers (under control for 5 years), Groome, Chavis (under control 6+ years)
Option 2: Stanton for 3 years (if 2018-2020 is close to 2017 performance he will opt out).
Option 3: if Stanton struggles then he will be on 11 year/$295M less any money Marlins willing to give.
If I were managing team, I’d opt for Option 1. The decision is more difficult if JD doesn’t move off of $200M. If that is that is the case, then I’d turn to the Marlins and tell them Benintendi or Devers will only be included in trade if they pick up at least $60M of Stanton’s contract. Even then I may not do it because of that opt out. Losing Stanton after 3 years is an issue. Granted at that point the rest of the contract is 8yr/$218M and I’m not sure he would get more than that at 31.
driftcat28 2
These guys are wild lol
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Boras and Martinez have set an early asking price of $210MM over the life of a seven-year term. A mere bag of shells for someone with lousy defense and never helped anyone to a World Series!!! SMH
slider32
The top free agents are almost always poor values especially on the back end of the contract. I don’t see Martinez getting more than 5/125. Frangraphs has his value as 22.5 per year.
sufferforsnakes
7 years? Hahahaha!!
stepupjays
This is hilarious I’m calling it right now he will be waiting around forever, 6 year $145. Lol $210, complete joke
garchu
Maybe I’m just crazy, but I think when a player demands such a salary they end up limiting the teams options for upgrades at other positions. I get that you want to make a lot of money, but if you’re taking too much out of the team’s budget, they’re not going to be able to afford the players they might need elsewhere. If he asked for a mere $20 million a year instead, that’s $10 million they could use to sign another decent player for the year..
chris5
Not crazy at all. Of course it makes sense that when a player gets paid less then the team has more money spend elsewhere. However, I think a lot of players just don’t give a fart about that. And that’s their right if their only goal is to play for the most amount of money. It won’t win them a lot of fans and may keep them from winning a championship but something like $210mm probably eases their pain.
24TheKid
Tom Brady does it, and his teams all right.
MafiaBass
I’d rather Trader Dave buy low on someone now and write Harper a blank check to drive up NYY’s price, then sign Machado.
MafiaBass
I think Martinez gets 5 years and 135
jdgoat
This is just delusional. He’s not a guy who deserves 200 million
countryjedi3
No athlete DESERVES 200 mill
barkinghumans77
Exactly! The owners deserve 90% of all revenue
hk27
Probably no human “deserves” that kind of money, except maybe Dr Salk (and he turned down the money). I just don’t see an outrageous opening demand helps give JDM that much of an adv, though.
The market for OFs has been set this year already by Upton, I think. Pretty good comp for JDM, actually, except maybe a little less power and slightly better defense. The market for power hitting OF is not huge and there are substitutes who are not dramatically worse. All that the crazy demand does is to drive buyers away, I suspect. Deals happen when both sides act serious. Making crazy demands, even as posturing, does not indicate earnestness.
jd396
Nobody really deserves anything.
mlb fan
I am not a real big fan of Scott Boras, but when Giancarlo Stanton says he will not go to either St. Louis or the Red Sox his market is helped CONSIDERABLY…….that kind of talk is like blood in the water for noted “shark” Scott Boras.
I do not think that JD Martinez is “worth” it but I now think that he will come close to 200 Million, maybe 6/150+ or so…..
bruinlife33
As long as there is a dumb owner who is willing to pay that kind of money, then Boras isn’t so crazy. JD wanting Jayson Werth Money…?
tywager
I too am looking for $200 mil.
Phillies2017
Im thinking 5/$125m or 6/$150m with an opt-out after 2019 or 2020.
RenoChris
Exactly
greg 14
Boras is a broker. It’s his job to ask for outrageous amounts of money. Don’t ask, don’t get. No one has to pay it.
triumph13
This. It’s the agents job to throw a starting point out there…. basically meaningless except possibly to teams with a thought of getting him for over $100M less. Now they won’t even extend that kind of “lowball” offer.
So 7 years@30M per…. if a team tomorrow offered him that 7th year at $25M per, the deal would be done. Six years is a max for a guy who may be limited to DH duties in a few years.
jints1
It will be interesting to see what the impact of the new CBA has on free agent signings. Supposedly, the loss of a first round draft inhibited some clubs and the players union was for changing it. Yet it appears the the new rules are inhibiting the big spenders to a greater degree. Will the Yankees, Dodgers, Giants and Red Sox try to get under the threshold. If they do it will depress the market.
Bart
I hope Boston gives him that contract. 🙂
realgone2
HAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
Android Dawesome
Sit tight JD. At this rate you wont be signed until spring training. Dont worry though, Jake Arrietta will probably be sitting next to you so youll have some company.
pullhitter445
At age 30 a team would be foolish to commit anything north of $150MM to a position player. Larger salaries for hitters can be justified IN The AL but can’t be hidden as effectively in the NL. Heywards contract from the cubs is why boras can justify the price tag for a more productive martinez.
redsoxrob9418
For that kind of money sign Stanton younger and more power
cardfan2011
Good luck gettin that contract lol
CubsRebsSaints
This dude is NOT worth this. He WILL NOT GET NORTH Of 175million. If he gets over 140, he should give boras ………. fill in the blank
hyraxwithaflamethrower
CubsRedsSaints, I think he gets 7 years, $180. I don’t think he deserves that much, but I think there are win-now teams out there that will pay it.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
CubsRedsSaints, I think he gets 7 years, $180M. I don’t think he deserves that much, but I think there are win-now teams out there that will pay it.
bigmike0424
Is he gonna get what he want, Most likely not,, as their probably isn’t team out their is gonna wanna pay that as lot teams are now going to analytics so their gonna see if it worth it or not…
He might be waiting till closed to Spring Training to signed as team will look elsewhere..
mlb fan
smart teams will remember how badly Scott Boras outplayed the Orioles and got them to bid against themselves and drastically OVERPAY for a one trick pony in Chris Davis….
jd396
This just in: JD Martinez asking for $211M
AM21
Once upon a time I really wanted the BoSox to sign him. Boris is great at his job and terrible for baseball.
jd396
Well, Boras just asks. Owners say yes. Some of them, anyway. They can use their resources to out-leverage the big portion of the league that has to hit on every transaction and develop from within if they have any hope of competing for even a short time. That’s what’s bad for baseball. Boras has the rep of getting top dollar for his clients… enough teams are willing to pay list price that it’s works for him. If all the teams were on a somewhat even financial playing field it wouldn’t be an issue.
Doorman550
And I’m seeking Kate Upton to give me a happy ending. Although, this just in, JD is closer than I am.
milkychavez
Nope, not going to happen
thefenwayfaithful 2
What Boras fails to mention or recognize in his analysis is that almost every deal of this magnitude is regretted. The Yankees and A-Rod. The Marlins and Stanton. The D-Backs and Grienke. The Red Sox and Price. The Yankees and Ellsbury.
Unfortunately, there are more of these mega deals that do not work out than those that do. Even when a guy like Stanton has a 60 home run season, at some point teams look to rebuild and retool and these contracts always seem to get in the way of getting that accomplished unless you are one of the top 5 payroll teams that can afford to eat the loss.
I get the need for dynamic players and that there is a necessity to pay to get them. However, if you look at the winning clubs the last few seasons, other than the Dodgers, there aren’t many that have been buying their way to championships like the Yankees of old. More often then not, injury or age takes its toll. Teams seem to be finding that they do better via trading for a guy currently playing well and having a chance to extend them than paying for past performance and hoping it continues. If the bidding goes over 6/$150, i for one hope Dombrowski is smart enough to stay out of it.
hozie007
I know this isn’t an arbitration situation but it might be interesting if MLBTradeRumors did a comparable analysis as to what a player like JD or others might be worth on the market.
thickage
He’s going to look good in a Red Sox uni.
He’s an expensive DH, but that’s really what he’ll be in Beantown. He’s not going to take Mookie or JBJ’s spot in the OF, and maybe he’ll platoon some in LF with Benintendi. I can see JD in LF against lefties with Hanley at 1B.
The tail end of his contract he’ll essentially be David Ortiz.
No way he ends up with 7 years without contingencies or some sort of club options. I could see 6 years / $150-180M with an option year or two.
mlb fan
LF in Boston, all you have to do is learn to play the caroms off the green monster, which Benintendi seems to have mastered in only one year…..
jmi1950
Hanley had 10 Hrs in April of 2015 and then ran into the wall.. He now is recovering from shoulder surgery as he has never been 100% since that time. Blake Swihart shattered his ankle near the same spot where Hanley injured his shoulder. I saw my first game at Fenway in 1956. Most visiting players let balls fall on the warning track rather than risk injury. Where Hanley and Blake were injured they are foul but plenty of easy flys land as doubles every yr. when wall shy players are out there. This is why the Sox built Jet Blue Park with a close replica of the monster. There is now a proposal to build a replica for the PawSox as well. Fenway in all of the OF areas can be truly brutal.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
The fact that the Marlins are wanting to get rid of a guy who can hit 59 HR in a season and makes $25M per shows what the market thinks of power guys right now. This was the best year he’s ever had and it still wasn’t as good as Stanton’s; why should he get paid more?