On Friday, we learned that the Marlins have had preliminary talks about outfielder Giancarlo Stanton with four MLB teams. As more rumors involving the prolific slugger swirl about today, we’ll keep track of them here.
- Talks between the Marlins and Red Sox involving Stanton “may be heating up”, according to Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald. His source tells him that the Red Sox are “definitely in play”. Spencer also mentions that Stanton’s incredible power would play well at Fenway Park, adding that Boston hit the fewest home runs of any MLB team in 2017. The Red Sox certainly seem like a reasonable fit for many other reasons as well, and Spencer lists a small handful in his piece. They’ve been said to be interested in spending more money, even to the point of exceeding the luxury tax, while it has been said that Stanton prefers to play near a coast. President of Baseball Operations Dave Dombrowski is no stranger to making deals with the Marlins, having helped engineer a blockbuster trade to bring Miguel Cabrera to the Tigers back in 2007.
Let’s make this happen DD!
Go Dunkin Donuts!
Lmao
Nah, he wasn’t talking about Dunkin Donuts.
Clearly he’s an O’s fan referring to Dan Duquette.
Dave Dombrowski, Red Sox. You paying attention?
Went right over your head, didn’t it?
We already labeled Duquette as DD back in his days with the Sox.
Dombrowski we refer to as Trader Dave ;O)
Clearly he was joking, so I think you’re the one not paying attention
Touché
The Red Sox and New England run in Dunkin
O’s fans refer to Duquette as Duke as does almost everyone in the game. Maybe because that is his nickname.
Nope. If it’s Boston we are talking about, we are definitely talking about the love for Dunkin Donuts. There is a DD across the street and if you don’t like that one go to the Dunkin Donuts on the other corner which is next door to a Home Depot with a DD inside of it, next to the converted Photomat turned into a Dunkin Donut Express. Don’t like any of those, no worries, there is 6 more Dunkin Donuts on the next block.
Wait, does Stanton own Dunkins? Is that what this is about?
I fu*kin’ love Dunkin, guy!
This. This a thousand times.
Stanton’s contract has a lot of $$$ left on it and Marlins want pitching, so doesn’t it make sense for BoSox to include Price to offset the cost and get rid of a clubhouse cancer??
It has to make sense for the Marlins… they’re only trading the guy to get rid of the crazy contract, they don’t want a guy that costs close to the same in return regardless of position.
He’s not a clubhouse cancer – he just doesn’t get along with the Boston media or their fans.
And the whole purpose of the Marlins trading Giancarlo is to get his salary off their books – why would they take on an onerous salary in return? Think about it…
Many teams are asking that the Marlins pay for much of Stanton’s remaining contract and the length of Price’s contract is a helluva lot shorter, so you think about it…
Not a whole lot of people get along with Eck. He is abrasive to a fault and Eck was in a stressful situation for him, one in which he used to drink heavily, so I can be sure that it wasn’t completely one-sided even though Price has said it was all him. All Price said according to many witnesses was “GTFO” of here. You may have noticed that not one of Price’s teammates have come to Eck’s defense. No one has apologized.
The Marlins are trying to get to a 90mil payroll, they want a team to take on all of Stanton’s contract and receive a lesser package back. Price makes 30mil /y and Stanton averages 29.5 mil/y, so in the short term this does nothing to get the Marlins to their goal. It’s widely assumed that if the Marlins agree to take on any money it would be in the years post opt out. If Price is such a cancer (which by the way he isn’t) why would the Marlins want him? All of this information has been reported EVERYWHERE, this isn’t breaking news.
There’s zero chance that that Marlins will pay some of Stanton’s salary AND take on Price’s contract, especially since Price would have to be a complete fool to opt out of his contract coming off an injury-plagued season.
Just because he knows how douchey Red Sox fans are doesn’t mean he’s a clubhouse cancer.
I would think they could get the contract off the books as well as take back 2 players that could be trade pieces and a prospect. Then flip those 2 players for other prospects.
Maybe Pomeranz, JBJ & Travis.
If you can get Stanton without giving up Bogaerts, Betts, or Benintendi, you do that trade in a heartbeat.
Think X is expendable for him but without mookie and benny is a must
Trade Xander in a heartbeat
Depending on how of the contract the Marlins eat. If they eat none or little, then you absolutely do not do that trade.
There is less than ZERO chance that Boston will give that much just to pay Stanton market value for 10 years!
What is market value on a 6 WAR player?
Not very high when he has a 10 year contract. The most comparable players to him were mostly ineffective after age 31.
There is few comparables. Such a SSS it’s pointless.
$8+ million per fWAR. Think you can do the rest of the math there genius?
So how UNDER paid will he be the next 3 years? Tens of millions.
He won’t be 31 until 2021.
why would the sox trade Pomeranz who was their 2nd best pitcher more likely it would be E-Rod.
Keep dreaming, if the Marlins don’t take back some payroll they will only get 2 or prospects. Plus they don’t want15 million those 2 will cost next year
What would a Red Sox package look like? Would Benitendi or JBJ be included?
JBJ should be in play, but if they trade Betts or Benintendi, they are nuts. Betts, Benny, and Stanton 3,4,5 would be best in the big leagues. Build around that!
There is NO CHANCE they trade Betts or Benintendi for Stanton. I will give every person in this comment section season tickets to their favorite team if they do, IT IS NOT HAPPENING!!!
Definitely a chance
I’m only here for the chance at season tickets.
Theres no chance Nintendo or Betts move for Stanton
Just in case…
Ya, consider this my lotto ticket for Yankee seats… will need 2…
Day drinking?
not a Sox or fish fan, but I would definitely trade either one for Stanton if they pick up some of the contract. But I’m sure they want several quality prospects over 1 blue chip can’t miss prospect
Why? Benintendi stinks
You would trade Betts for Stanton?
I will be needing two season tickets to the Cubs please.
“…if they pick up some of the contract.”
But that’s the whole point of Miami trading him, to shed the entire contract. That’s precisely why neither Betts, nor Benentendi are being traded for Stanton, (and probably not Bogaerts either, but that’s because he’s not a fit for the Marlins).
< Cubs tix plox!
Well Betts isn’t being traded because he is far more valuable then Stanton straight up when contacts are taken account.
Bennitendi will be included
Dodgers tickets please.
I’ll be needing some Yankee tickets. Thanks in advance!
Spoken like someone who is trolling.
oy. what a statement. you must be really fun at frat parties.
let’s say the fish pick up 5 mil per year of his contract, they would still shed 20 million to 25 million per year. But that’s why I said that they’ll likely target several good prospects over 1 great
I’m in on this deal. What other players would the Marlins want from the Sox. This is a salary dump and I see A Rods ghost rearing it’s ugly head all over this deal. Which honestly I don’t care. I hope this screws up Boston’s payroll for years to come. But you ain’t gettin him for nothing.
Better safe than sorry… Mets tickets if you would
doubt it unless sox get stanton and about 100 million
Sign me up
I’ll get in line for the tickets as well
Kevin I think your safe on your comment there is zero chance that Betts is traded and the only way that Benny is traded if a bidding war breaks out and DD blinks.
The reason the Marlins are looking to trade multiple players is to clear payroll for the 2018 season. Regardless of which players they trade, Stanton, Gordon, Prado, Yellich, Ozuna, etc…, it will clear even more payroll in 2019. By the start of the 2021 season, they will have a new TV contract that will allow them to increase payroll immensely. Right now they have the smallest TV contract at a minuscule $20 million per season and they are in the 11th largest market.
I will take cardinals season tickets. I just can’t see a trade with Boston unless Boston parts with betts. That is like asking the cardinals to not include Alex Reyes, Dakota Hudson, or jack flagherty.
Every teams bid is going be limited because of the NTC and the size and length of the contract. No team is giving top prospects unless, the Marlins pay a substantial amount of money. Stanton has an injury history, a NTC, a desire to go to a playoff bound team, and contract with 295 million dollars left on it….those are all big risks for the teams who are willing to deal for him. Marlins fans have to accept that fact, because Marlins executives already have.
Tazman now you are talking Betts you are nuts if you think the Red Sox trade Betts he has way more value then Stanton, in fact I would argue Betts has more value ignoring contracts too. There is no chance the Red Sox include Betts literally zero. I would argue that they can’t trade Benny either but if you squint you could see it maybe.
And no Tazman Betts is nothing like Alex Reyes, Dakota Hudson, or Jack Flaherety have any of those guys had back to back over 5 war seasons nope.
ZERO chance!
Better take out a second mortgage. Their tickets are outrageous!
I don’t think I would want a nickname of JBJ. Could be worse though, his name could be Sieman.
Potentially JBJ no way benny2020 is included. Erod jbj Travis could be an offer.
Yes a starting pitcher in the deal makes sense with the poor pitching they had last year, not sure they would go for Travis with Bour there.
No way they can lose Travis…
What? Travis sucks! He has no power, no speed, and below average defense.
If the can somehow swing Stanton and Hos…wow!
I would rather Stanton and Martinez and let Hanley play 1B and Martinez DH and be the 4th OF. Hosmer is basically the production of Mitch Moreland. I would even like to sign a guy like Santana or Morrisson over Hosmer.
Imagine that lineup?
1. Pedroia 2b
2. Benintendi cf
3. Betts rf
4. Stanton lf
5. Martinez dh
6. Devers 3b
7. Ramirez 1b
8. Vazquez c
9. Bogaerts ss
They don’t get Stanton and Martinez. You’d be looking more at Hanley at DH and LoMo at first
Morrison says he would love to play for his hometown team the Royals. Makes sense cheaper option than signing Hosmer to 6-7 year 20 mill Plus per year deal.
Did MM win a Silver Slugger award (not to mention a GG) the other day?
Just stop with the stupidity…
Ya mean hosmer?
No Skippy, I was responding to the comment that Moreland is better than Hos and I asked did MM win the SS & GG just the other day!
That’s what I asked…
Look at their stats dummy! If you base a players worth off of meaningless awards like SS and GG then you don’t even deserve to post on here.
I agree with you. Hosmer is the hardest free agent to gauge this offseason. Santana or Morrisson would come with a cheaper price tag and are much more predictable.
I agree I think if they trade for Stanton then JBJ is gone probably Chavis too. It makes sense because the Marlins could turn around and trade JBJ for prospects the real question does Stanton play left he surely isn’t playing in right with Boston.
I agree. JBJ, Chavis, Owens
Owens is trash as JBJ/Chavis is not enough
Yes it probably is if they take on the full contract.
Bru gets it. Miami wants off the contract. The guy will be making market value in no time at all with that back loaded contract of his, so he’s not coming over on a deal here.
If a team pays the full amount of Stanton’s contract, Miami isn’t going to get crap for him in terms of trade prospects as it’ll be a straight salary dump. Asking for high level prospects or low cost MLB pieces means money is coming off Stanton’s contract which Miami doesn’t seem super keen on doing. So as far as Boston goes, they wouldn’t send anyone higher than JBJ in a trade. No Betts, Benintendi, Bogarts, etc. That would be a massive overpay to clear room for a guy thats going to get more and more expensive.
I think Owens is not really worth a lot at this point but needs a change of scenery… so my guess he will be else where next year
Exactly why I included. He isn’t worth much, but he still has value. I was also thinking Jalen Beeks could be a trade candidate
Beeks yes. Owens no. Owens has little trade value anymore.
I really wish Stanton would play his entire career in Miami, but it’s probably smart for them to sell extremely high. I seriously doubt he will ever come anywhere close to repeating his 2017 season again.
All the JBJ talk, and he still doesn’t make sense for Miami.
They want pitching, but over all else, they want controllable assets. 3 moderately expensive years of JBJ isn’t going to appeal to the Marlins
They would flip JBJ for prospects.
Why wouldn’t the Marlins just trade Stanton for prospects and take out the risk of JBJ flopping then? JBJ was a below average hitter this year.
Because Boston will take the whole contract and no one else will. That’s the Marlins priority.
Yeah. The Marlins would tell the Red Sox that if they want to trade Bradley they can trade him for prospects. And they can give the Sox a list of who they want. They won’t take Bradley.
Where do you get that idea? If Boston will, other teams will too. And if the Marlins take Bradley they’re taking a player who is about to get expensive. So it’s not the whole contract.
There are only a few teams to that they can trade Stanton too and maybe one of the teams will step up with a good offer but JBJ is very valuable commodity and they could flip him for quite a bit. I think that is the thinking here for JBJ in a trade. JBJ doesn’t have a no trade clause he could be traded literally anywhere.
I mean, Philadelphia can take that contract and still be players at the top of FA next year. Boston is hardly the only team that can take the whole deal
Don’t think he will waive his no trade clause to go to Philly.
We don’t know where he’d go. We do know that he said he doesn’t want to in Miami if they’re rebuilding. No team in the middle of a rebuild will trade for him, so anyone that wants him is going to be trying to compete. Any speculation that he wants to play for a particular team or doesn’t is just speculation.
Miami is cutting payroll. We don’t know how much, if any, of the contract they’ll assume, but we keep hearing that at least four teams are interested. Those teams know what Miami wants them to assume, so they’re likely all willing to take on enough to make Miami happy.
Pay attention… he wants to play for a winner!
Because there is much more upside with Bradley. First, they could get a couple solid prospects with Bradley. Then, if Bradley has a good year (for instance, he more than doubled Stanton’s rWAR in 2016) then they could trade him for a better prospect haul than they could have traded Stanton for as he will be owed a small fraction of what Stanton is with multiple years of control left.
Also, this is baseball. If they replace a good outfielder with a good outfielder and make a couple of other decent moves they could easily contend.
The team that traded for Stanton will pay in both money and prospects. They just don’t know it yet.
Phillies can take that contract, and offer to take Prado and Chen off their books as well.
We also have cheap major leaguers to offer with prospects. Franco,Velasquez,Cozens,2 or 3 mid tier prospects.
Wow. DD is being aggressive.
One of Xander, Betts, or Benentendi PLUS JBJ.
Maybe Xander, but Betts and Benentendi should not be moved. Betts is a potential MVP, and Benentendi’s value is sky-high; cheap and under control for 5 more years.
No chance
Bwahahahaahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha.
What dreamland are you in?
Lol
assuming the Marlins pick up Stanton’s entire contract, sure.
“Boston hit the fewest home runs of any MLB team in 2017”
This is false. The Giants hit far fewer. They need Stanton more.
Stanton won’t waive his no trade clause for San Francisco.. He wants to play for an immediate contender, preferably on the East coast. You would have to think the prospects of playing 81 games a year at Fenway Park is also appealing to him. Stanton is headed one place and one place only. Boston.
Actually Stanton prefers to play on the west coast, where he’s from, not the east. He would certainly prefer west coast SF over northeast Boston. Stanton could turn the Giants into a contender with just a few more additional acquisitions.
I guess they meant fewest in the AL. Not only did they hit more HRs than SF, but also hit more than the Pirates and the Braves.
Don’t forget the NTC. Miami could be forced to lose out on the best offer if Stanton doesn’t want to play the team that offers it.
You people have to realize that as good a player as Stanton is he is currently being paid MARKET VALUE! No team in MLB is going to give up good, young, cost controlled players just to pay MARKET VALUE. They would just wait until next year and sign Harper or Machado and have to give up nothing!
Harper and Machado are going to break the bank next FA, and when you compare their salaries to Stanton’s it’s going to be about 100-120 million dollars south of Stanton’s salary. Prospects are exactly what they are. Sometimes they pan out sometimes they don’t. I’m sure the prospects Miami gets in return will never equal to the 100 million to whichever team decides to pick up his contact. Doesn’t matter anyway..he has the option to opt out after 2020- which he very might well do to chase more $$. Boston can have him. I just hope the Phillies are smart enough to move on from the man crush
He wouldn’t waive his no trade for Philly. He wants to play for a contender and the Philliies are certainly not that.
Kevin the part you are missing is that a. The Marlins don’t have to trade Stanton though they probably will and b. The number of teams trying to trade for Stanton will drive up the price. Four teams are in now and more will be at next week’s GM Meetings. I wouldn’t promise season tickets but when you pay up it’s Cubs for me.
Say what you want but the Phillies have the money and the resources to “jump” back into contention as early as next season. Granted I don’t want them to sign Stanton, but if they did, and added a few pieces they’ll be good enough to get in with a wildcard. Bottom line is Stanton is one dimensional. He’s a below average OF who hits a lot of HRs who strikes out a lot. Phillies are better off waiting until next free agency or trading for Trout (who makes it obvious he wants to come here)
What planet are you living on? The Phillies have a ton of work to do before they are serious contenders. They might have a fluke season like the Twins did last year, but they aren’t close to being in the same class as the Astros, Dodgers, Nationals, Indians, Yankees, and Red Sox.
You have no idea what your talking about. Do you not pay attention to baseball or do your homework on other teams other than the teams you mentioned? I’m not here to argue over some team bully nonsense because your prob some 16 year old astros fan still living on your World Series High. The Phillies have a top 3-5 farm system with money to buy a championship (if they wanted). I don’t need to argue that..anyone here with baseball knowledge can vouch for that
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see Machado playing for Miami.
No need to shout “market value”. But otherwise I agree totally. Whichever team acquires Stanton is basically giving up a lot of financial flexibility for at least the next 2 years, and possibly for the next 9 years. Teams are not going to do that and give up “good, young, cost controlled players”.
@Kevin – What is market value on a single 6 fWAR season? $48-49.5 million. What is the market value of his 4.8 fWAR career average? $38.4-39.6 million per season. How is his current salary market value?
Harper of Machado will get contracts in excess of $400 million over 10-12 years and in 2021 Trout will get an AAV of over $40 million on a 10-year deal.
You think he is going to put up those same numbers over years 7, 8, 9 of the contract? Of course he isn’t! You have to average it over the entire life of the contract! I can’t even believe I have to explain this to people.
Machado won’t get 400mil bro. Maybe 250-275mil.
Here’s an off the wall trade, Stanton to the White Sox for giolito and avi Garcia. Sox sign Darvish and Arrieta and they can compete next year. Let’s go start bashing me. I’m fully aware Stanton would veto that trade in a heartbeat too
At least you’re aware thats a terrible idea
If you’re a Sox fan it’s not terrible, but nobody is willing to go to the south side of they have it in their hands
A rebuilding club should not be adding 600M in future payroll obligations in one off season, especially one with as poor a lineup as ChiSox
Did you watch the Sox at the end of the season? That lineup isn’t poor anymore. They do have some good hitters and still some to come. They could realistically get one of those two starters and maybe 2 less expensive pitchers or one via trade with their surplus of minor league talent. Obviously this won’t happen but how long do you think they will be rebuilding? I say by 2019 they will want to compete.
Avi Garcia is arguably the biggest regression candidate in baseball this year.
The White Sox were 24th in runs scored and 20th in wRC+ in the season half
I don’t know perhaps best regression candidate for 2018 is Justin Smoak.
He already said he’s not waiving his contract to sign to ANY Team other than a coastal team (whether it’s east coast or west coast team). He has 100% full control to where he wants to go, not where Miami wants to ship him off
He has not said that.
Yes, he has.
source?
Morossi said it on MLB network a few days ago. But I agree, if that’s true that would take the Cards out of the running as well. Personally I think he’s going to end up in either San Francisco or LA (most likely San Fran)
Morosi doesn’t speak for Stanton. He’s speculating. And the Giants stink. He won’t go there.
Came from the horses mouth on one of the late night shows
Morosi has also said that the Cardinals are the favorite to pull off a trade for him.
“Morosi doesn’t speak for Stanton”
“He won’t go there”
The irony is killing me.
He said something similar to that, but I don’t remember it as being that definitive. IIRC he said he preferred a team on a coast But if a team like the Cards, were to make other moves, and look like a viable contender to win it all, they could maybe convince him to waive the NTC. I don’t think anything is as absolute as it’s being presented.
Yea I’m pretty sure I heard that on mlbnetwork. Think it was Jon Morossi who said it
Stanton for Xander then the Sox sign Zach Cozart as a FA.. Jeter has been Xander’s idol–would Jeter do that deal? Xander is a great ambassador for the game–fine player, speaks several languages–superb personality.
The GM Meetings Nov. 13-16 in Orlando should be great this year. The Winter meetings Dec. 10-14 may be anticlimactic.
The Stanton move may be done before then.
How does 2 expensive years of X help the Marlins though?
Uh, how is Xander expensive?
He will earn $7-8 million in 2018 and $14-15 in 2019 in final 2 years of arbitration. The Marlins are looking to cut payroll for 2018.
The Marlin’s are not in the talent trade on Stanton> They are in the salary dump trade on Stanton. I fear Marlin fans are going to be disappointed in whatever comes back. It won’t be what he’s worth.. In my opinion the team that is willing to take most if not all his salary will get him.
Eduardo Rodriguez, Michael Chavis and Tanner Houck for Stanton and cash
Marlins want pitching. They do not want salary
The biggest risk for Boston is Stanton ops out in 2020. Unless he wins 4 mvps in a row including this year. He won’t get close to 325 mil. For 12 more years.
Stanton is owed $208 million over 7 seasons starting in 2021. If he opts out after the 2020 season, it will be because he has had 3 monster years, 5-7 WAR, and will absolutely get more money than $208 million for 7 years. That will seem like a drop in the bucket after Harper and Machado sign next offseason and compared to what Trout will be asking for in that same FA market.
Cards need him more!!!!
JBJ, E Rod, and Groome
Expect a Surprise team like the Rangers, Brew Crew or Padres getting Stanton. You heard it here first
I do not think Stanton would waive his NTC for San Diego lol
Definitely not, makes zero sense for a non-contender to want to take on that massive contract and be no-where near contention. This is a guy you want to plug into a playoff lineup in the hope he pushes you over the edge.
The Pads are like the Stros from 2 years ago. This is the final piece that would allow them to raise the Banner at the Fathers House
Brewers wouldn’t get him because 1. Not enough prospects 2. He wants to win now. They will finish 4th in the NL Central 2018
I sure hope the Rangers don’t get him. Don’t get me wrong, Stanton is a great player. But the Rangers are in dire need of pitching. Stanton would eat up all of their payroll. Plus we’ve had enough fun with highly paid players (ARod, Fielder, Choo).
Sox have a window to win now with their already great line-up, adding Stanton just makes too much sense if they want to win and possibly set up a dynasty-era. The contract will definitely hurt later, but the Sox may not be in contention later. I would say go for it.
“Stanton’s incredible power would play well at Fenway Park”
I feel like so many of Stanton’s homers are laser shots that would just be off the monster for a loud single, not towering launch angle bombs like other power hits. His power to center and opposite would be fun to watch in that park, though.
Other side of that coin is how many outfield fly outs would be gone in Fenway?
I can’t see Big Leaguers heading to the Marlins in return. However, the Sox have some great arms at A Ball and AA. I can see them in the mix.
what I’m wrapping my head around here is that miami (assuming there’s quite a few persons involved in the organization) are in preliminary talks with the giants, red sox, cards, and phillies. that’s a lot of people talking about situations and scenarios when it all boils down to one important factor:
stanton has a full no-trade clause.
these clubs showed the greatest interest in stanton since the trade deadline but has anyone interviewed him about the four teams mentioned? did he voice a preference?
i’m sure he’s going to play his cards (no pun intended) close to the vest to attract all suitors.
also, how was his relationship with bonds last year as the marlins hitting coach? now that bonds has been welcomed back to the giants fold as an advisor to the ceo, would that possibly help or hinder stanton’s decision?
Stanton was on Kimmel, and was asked about certain teams. When asked about the Dodgers, he stated that he grew up a Dodgers fan. When asked about the Mets, he said he enjoys “beating up on the Mets”. When asked about whether he’d be willing to DH with the Red Sox, he said yes.
So that was two “yes” answers and one non-answer. He didn’t say he wouldn’t go to the Mets. So it’s tough to eliminate anyone.
It’s not tough to see some teams as virtually eliminated. There’s 3 things against the Mets already: probable desire of the Marlins not to trade within the division, Mets lack of financial ability to take on the contract, and Stanton’s desire to play on a contending team.
You’re talking two Marlins’ choices and one Stanton choice. Stanton hasn’t said he wants to play for a contender. He said that if the Marlins are going through another rebuild he wants no part of it.
The Mets were certainly bad in 2017 but are they going through a rebuild or do they see themselves as ready to contend again. They traded a lot of veterans for prospects last year and welcomed Smith and Rosario to the big leagues.
The Marlins might not want to trade Stanton in the division but your other criteria, a team willing to take on the contract, might trump that. As you point out, the Mets won’t take on a contract like that. Many teams won’t, but that’s the Marlins issue, not Stanton’s. So while he’s not going to be asked whether he’ll accept a trade to the Mets, we don’t know he’d veto it.
I highly, highly doubt the Marlins would trade him to a division rival.
You say “the Mets won’t take on a contract like that.” That alone makes Stanton’s waive or not waive the NTC a moot point. So the situation is as I said, we can consider the Mets, as well as many teams, as virtually eliminated, which was the main point being made.
He hesitated when asked about the DH thing. I think he words were more like……….”I guess I could do that”. He was trying to be very coy when answering those questions….except for the Mets question. He chuckled when he heard that one. He’s NOT going there. LOL
Marlins get jbj, chatham, chavis, tobias, and beeks plus take back porcellos contract
Red Sox get Stanton and Straily plus a reliever like wittgren.
Fish should also include Realmuto and pay for all of Stanton’s contract
Well first of all, Spencer did not write that the Red Sox hit the fewest homeruns in MLB this year … because it’s not true. They hit more homers than Atlanta, SF and Pittsburgh.
Secondly, the Marlins are willing to pay a portion of Stanton’s contract in order to get more talent in return. So if the Sox are willing to trade Benny (5 cost controlled years) or Devers (6 cost controlled years) the deal could get done.
Thirdly, the Red Sox should also look into Logan Morrison. He’s a little risky, but should be affordable and won’t cost the Sox a draft pick.
If a deal gets done I’m quite confident that neither Benny or Devers will be involved.
Mostly because they are not pitchers. Probably Groome plus two other prospects. Beeks and fill in the blank.
“Secondly, the Marlins are willing to pay a portion of Stanton’s contract in order to get more talent in return.”
Normally that’s case, but everything I’ve read is Miami’s motivation for trading Stanton is to get out from under the contract, not acquiring prospects.
Plus, Kyle Downing wrote the piece we’re commenting on, and he did in fact write that “Boston hit the fewest home runs of any MLB team in 2017.” Clearly he meant the AL, not MLB.
That’s exactly what I said, Spencer did NOT write it. He was quoted incorrectly by Kyle.. Not a big deal, it’s just unfortunate that a statement was wrongly attributed to Spencer.
Everything that has been written is about Miami’s desire to lower payroll to $90 million in 2018. Nothing about long-term need to dump Stanton’s contract. Moving any of the guys that have been mentioned as players they prefer to move would also lower payroll in 2019. After that, they won’t have to keep payroll as low with the new TV contract and naming rights for the ballpark coming.
The Cardinals have the best prospects to offer and are willing to take on his the biggest part of his contract. He has not said he would only play for a coastal team. He prefers west coast but he hasn’t ruled out any teams as of yet.
Willing to take on the biggest part? I doubt that. I still think SF has a bigger pocketbook than Missouri.
This has absolutely nothing to do with “pocketbook”. The cards are flushed with money. Most profitable in ‘13 & ‘14 and 3rd most in ‘15 & ‘16. Their new TV deal starts next year which is extra 56 mil a year so money is not the issue here. Cards can absolutely take on the contract. The real question is will Mo step up and make the move. If Miami is eating 5 mil a year for the life of the contract, which is being reported, and the Cards need to move prospects before the 40 man deadline is set, Mo almost has to make this happen. If not the fan base is going to rip him apart more than they already have.
Totally agree with your comment……and would add that the Cards must have already been told that Stanton will agree to a trade there, or they wouldn’t be spending as much time on it.
I just hope that the FO actually “Steps to The Plate” and blows away the Marlins with a Final Offer…….so much that they just can’t say No. They can afford to trade several MiLB players to get him…..don’t you think?
It’s been advertised that the marlins MIGHT pay $50 Mil towards the back end of the contract (after the opt-out)…..provided they get some serious talent in return. Talent that will be around for several years (like 5-6 minimum).
We’ll know pretty soon, I think.
It’s kind of silly to argue SF or StL. Both teams could conceivably pull it off, but their approaches would be different. It’s a complex trade for any team to pull off. It depends on what the Marlins want. SF would probably have to take on more salary while giving less, which is their only route. The Cards could give more in prospects and take on less salary. Is the money more important for the Marlins or is the return? Do the Marlins want a lot of high-upside, low level minor league talent, or fewer MLB-ready guys?
I don’t know, and unless people here have an inside with the Marlins FO and seen the offers, neither does anyone else here.
St Louis has more disposable money than San Fran I just dont get though why San Fran is even an option they won’t be good for years
I agree that the Cards have the pieces and Stanton might waive the NTC to accept a trade to them. What I disagree with is Miami picking up any part of the contract. I think it’s all or nothing.
Stanton will be on the Cardinals or RedSox on opening day, I don’t see him going to The Giants because of the potential rebuild and the Phillies make 0 sense to me
Well one advantage to joining the Cardinals, he’d be playing in the same spring training park. haha
Giants are not rebuilding. If he goes to Cardinals it will be greinke in Arizona 2.0.
I wouldn’t count the Rockies and Diamondbacks out of this Stanton sweepstakes. They both are in win now mode and they both could easily send a big package of prospects that emphasizes quantity over quality.
If the 4 teams that have already contacted the Marlins are the only ones that have interest, then you are right. We have not even reached the GM meetings yet, so I am sure that more teams will enter the fray.
Stanton was available on waivers…no team picked up his contract. Of course Miami eats a chunk of that deal to unload him.
That’s because it was revocable waivers. A ton of players get put on waivers every year, just to gauge interest in the player.
The Marlins have already said they want the entire contract off the books. Team payrolls have changed since the trade deadline, so the 2 situations are not comparable.Plus an off-season acquisition could be offset by shedding additional salary elsewhere with other trades.
It would be a public relations nightmare if they intentionally got nothing good in return for Stanton except a complete salary dump. They still have to maintain a fanbase and justify purchasing season tickets, if they trade all the players they say they’re gonna trade then there’s nobody left to promote or sell tickets.
Not sure the PR hit is that bad for a fan base that doesn’t support the team. Jeter is looking long range, and hoping to build a contender 5 years or so down the road, not field a quasi-respectable lineup to placate the fans.
There’s obviously some pieces going back in trade, but I would expect them to be either high-upside prospects who aren’t close to MLB-ready, or more middling’ MLB-ready prospects. Probably the former.
No, the Marlins haven’t said anything of the sort. In fact, they have said nothing about Stanton other than the rumors that they would prefer to trade Stanton, Prado and Gordon. Beyond that everything has been speculation that has come from outside the organization. Some of it makes sense like the Marlins being willing to take on $35-50 million of his salary from 2021-2027 if Stanton does not opt out, and them wanting high end pitching prospects in return, and the Marlins not being willing to take back bad contracts. All that makes sense. Trading the best offensive player in baseball for nothing good just to dump his contract makes zero sense.
I don’t think so I think the Red Sox will take on the entire contract to reduce the player/prospect cost.
Stanton costs 25 million per year towards the salary cap. The Red Sox really only care about that so they will be taking on 25 million in salary. The back loaded doesn’t really matter to a team like the Red Sox.
You have it backwards, AAV is what counts toward the cap (average annual value).
DD is using Stanton to get a better deal from Borras. They will end up signing Martinez.
One of my oldest buddies, met I met in the minors in the 70s, just got married last night, for the 3rd time, at an incredible place here in Charleston. There were so many scouts and other former and current baseball people in the seats for he wedding that it seemed like a spring training game. No radar guns though.
This morning 8 of us went out to play a round of golf. One of the guys in our 4some is a current assistant GM for a team in the midwest. Like most groups of guys that were or are still in the game, the conversation always gets around to stuff that’s current. The hottest topic was Stanton. He stayed quiet through 3 holes of talk about where he would end up and what it would cost and how well he would play in other parks and lots of other blowing smoke. Finally, as we were making the turn, he piped up and said, “while we won’t make a trade like that, the Marlins have said they are willing to take on as much as $5 million per season of his deal and they want a better guy at the top than we have to give”.
From what he was saying they want an elite impact overall prospect on the table just to get the conversation started and then some more. I got the impression that they want a pitcher as the key prospect, not a position player which narrows the number of teams that can trade for him. Red Sox have Groome, the Cardinals have Reyes & Flaherty, and the Dodgers have Buehler and Alvarez, so they would still be options.
BTW, I will never play golf with him again. He won 12 holes and took us old folks to the cleaners. Should know better than to bet on golf with guys that are in their 40s.
That’s exactly what I heard, the Marlins are willing to take on some of the salary. Devers and Benintendi aren’t “prospects” anymore, but with 6 and 5 years left respectively before they are eligible for free agency I’m guessing the Marlins would accept either of them in place of an “elite impact overall prospect”.
If the Red Sox made Benny available the deal would be done already just don’t see the Sox trading either Benny or Devers. That is just my opinion.
I am sure they would. Those are two very talented players. I don’t know if I would trade Benintendi if he was the LF for the O’s.
From what he said the Marlins were most focused on a getting an impact arm. A guy you could potentially slot in at #1 or #2 in a few years. Groome fits that bill. Reyes did before the TJ. Buehler from the Dodgers as well.
Like it was on the golf course this morning, who is going to trade for Stanton and what the deal ends up being is going to be a hot topic of discussion in baseball for a while.
I think Benny is just about untouchable barring someone that offered you a trade that you just couldn’t refuse.
I think the Red Sox will trade JBJ in the package if a Stanton trade happens and I think JBJ will be flipped for a quality pitching prospect or prospects along with maybe Chavis possibly Groome or possibly Mata we will see.
I don’t think the Red Sox would trade either Benintendi or Devers. I wouldn’t if it was my decision. Groome and Beeks seem more like the kind of guys the Marlins are looking for. One guy with top of the rotation stuff and another that is MLB ready, if not with as high of a ceiling. Throw in another decent prospect along with those two and some money going back the Red Sox way only if Stanton does not opt out and that seems like a good deal for both sides.
From what we talked about on the golf course at Kiawah, JBJ is not an option for the Marlins because of them not wanting to take on any MLB salary. If he was part of the trade it would have to be a 3 team deal and that is lots more complex than this deal already is.
Initially, my thought had been JBJ, Groome and another prospect, some money to the Red Sox, and get it done, but after that convo on the golf course, it seems like I was wrong.
So it wasn’t a cardinals exec…. I’ll take this with a whole shaker of salt but the five million a year tidbit is encouraging. Come on redbirds!
No, he isnt. We talked more at dinner and he was saying $50 million starting in 2021. I mistook that for $5 million per year for 10 years.
The Marlins can ask for whoever they want, just like JD Martinez is asking for a 200 mil dollar contract (doesn’t mean he’s going to get it). One thing teams have to realize is Miami is desperate right now to off load that money. There are only a handful of teams who can afford to pick up that tab, and just because one of them teams offers a better package than the other 3-4 teams involved, it doesn’t mean anything because Stanton controls his own destiny at this point. Basically what I’m saying is that Miami has to take whichever team Stanton chooses to sign with (if they want to unload his contract). And I’m pretty sure at this point they’ll take whatever
You’re assuming that the Marlins will take anything offered and won’t keep Stanton if the offers aren’t good enough. I don’t think you can make that assumption.
The Marlins don’t have to take anything. Stanton could say he wants the Red Sox only, but the Marlins decide that the Cardinals make the most sense they can present the options to Stanton as St. Louis or stay in Miami. I doubt Stanton chooses the latter.
That’s just it. They are not desperate. They would prefer that they move certain players to reach a $90 million payroll for 2018, but it doesn’t have to be Stanton.
If they keep him, they get his peak years for far less than market value and he opts out after 2020, so they are off the hook for the rest of his deal. If they trade him then they get both salary relief for his contract and great prospects. Either way its a win for them.
They very well could reject a teams offer, but they’d be foolish to do so..like I said only about 4 or 5 teams are even capable of taking on his contract. If this was an Ohtani situation where any team could be involved it would be a different situation. And I disagree about them not being desperate because if they weren’t they have enough talent to build around and push to win but that’s not the case
Really- what are the odds in 3 years that Stanton opts out? Slim to none IMO. He’ll turn 31 years old, and question whether a team will offer him MORE than 7 years/$218M. Even if he stays healthy and puts up 40+HRS a year these next three years- odds are against him that he gets it.
My point left field, is that the Marlins ARE desperate. Sure, they can keep him this year and cut other places… then try and move him next year. But they risk that he doesn’t have another tremendous season, on top of being another year older. And he’s still owed 9years/$270M.
The time is now, and Marlins ownership surely knows this is their chance to sell high. I’d still be surprised if they get a team to pay the entire contract AND give a top prospect.
How you can say they would be foolish to reject the offer, when you don’t know what it is, is a little presumptuous.
Because of the 4-5 teams interested, if Stanton chooses 2 of them teams than Miami will have to pick which teams offer is better. If he chooses ONE team, and miami doesn’t like the return than what? There stuck paying TONS of money on a team that isn’t going anywhere. At this point I think they just want to wash their hands and move on. Moving him and that payroll is more of a priority than their return trust me!
Just not true. 14 or 15 teams have the max payroll and the flexibility to take on $25-31 million per year. 4 have already contacted the Marlins and it’s very, very early in the offseason. We have not even reached the GM meetings yet and that is typically considered the start of the offseason trading period. Even a small market team like the Diamondbacks has signed a guy with that much salary.
Stanton is owed $208 million over 7 seasons starting in 2021. If he opts out after the 2020 season, it will be because he has had 3 monster years, 5-7 WAR, and will absolutely get more money than $208 million for 7 years.
That will seem like a drop in the bucket after Harper and Machado sign next offseason and compared to what Trout will be asking for in that same FA market.
Market value is at $8 + million per WAR. Stanton has averaged 4.8 per season over his career. Last season was 6.9 WAR.
That is your mistake. We have not even reached the GM Meetings, what is typically considered the start of the offseason, and already 4 teams are in negotiations for Stanton. This is just the start of the teams reaching out to the Marlins. Most trades don’t happen until closer to the Winter Meetings in mid-December. 10-14 this year.
If that’s the case what I’ve heard is wrong. Still, I can’t see a fit with Boston. JBJ isn’t enough, and he doesn’t have enough team control. And I think they would be stupid to trade young, cheap, controllable pieces, who might be above average players for one expensive guy, $5m kicked in or not, who might walk in 2 years.
3 Years………….Opt-out after 2020 season.
3/$77 isn’t a bad deal for Stanton…..it’s easily market value, and having him in the lineup makes everyone around him better.
Yeah, you’re right, it is 3 years. But the problem is it is an opt-out, and nothing is guaranteed. What if he doesn’t opt-out? If something negative happens, like an injury, then that reasonable 3 year deal turns into a 9 year albatross.
I know it’s not a salary cap but a luxury tax level and Stanton is 25 million towards that.
That is something that Dave Dombrowski said is not an issue. The luxury tax threshold will not determine the Red Sox spending this season.
He said that the Red Sox weren’t trying to stay under the luxury tax threshold. He didn’t say how far they’d go above it. I believe the taxes get steeper the more you go over it. Even the Red Sox have a payroll limit.
I agree DD has already said that which is why the Red Sox are in on Stanton and I think they will take in the whole contract to acquire him.
I suspect a three way trade is coming. Stanton to Boston, and the Marlins flip JBJ to a third team as part of the deal.
Guess we’ll see how no personality, all talk Mozeliak stacks up against the big boys. He’s got his work to do to reel in Stanton from the actual serious Organizations! Recent history show’s Mo is out matched this time even though the Cards have the money and players to get him.
no isn’t the GM anymore. That could be the reason why. I think the Cardinals will be very aggressive this off season. You think about it have they really missed out on any of the big names they tried to sign? If you ask me they dodged a bullet on all of them. Hayward isn’t worth anything near what he got. Price is hurt didn’t have a good year. I’m glade those deals fell through.
mo isn’t the GM anymore. That could be the reason why. I think the Cardinals will be very aggressive this off season. You think about it have they really missed out on any of the big names they tried to sign? If you ask me they dodged a bullet on all of them. Hayward isn’t worth anything near what he got. Price is hurt didn’t have a good year. I’m glade those deals fell through.
Mo is still pulling all of the strings. When they promoted him Dewitt and Mo himself made that abundantly clear!!!!
Cardinals have been outbid in free agency mostly to the benefit of the organization. Don’t recall any time they failed in the trade market recently.
There’s going to have to be talent going back to Miami in any deal, regardless of which team. The league (and especially the MLBPA) isn’t going to want to see a pure salary dump of a top tier star. Maybe that means Miami does have to include cash, but I just don’t see a Stanton for bag of balls scenario. Boston certainly has some talent they can swap.
I don’t think the MLBPA would prevent a pure salary dump. This is different from when they blocked the ARod to Boston trade. ARod was taking less from the Sox than what his salary with the Rangers would have been. No money is being denied Stanton. As long as he gets the money he signed for there’s no way the union gets involved in what’s essentially a perception issue.
Sox can take on the full contract and walk away without giving up much. It just depends on Miami. Do they look to eat the contract and get a boatload if prospects, or do they look to just walk away from the contract and get little in return? Seems St Louis or even the Dodgers have more in terms of minor leaguers to trade. Boston can afford the big contract.
IMO, if the fish are hell-bent on trading Stanton somebody is getting a bargain. Factor in the $, his opt out and most importantly his no trade and the fish are hamstrung. The no trade alone probably limits the trade pool to about 4 teams (sorry flyover country you’re sucking hind tit on this one). If I was Stanton, I would choose the only team I will waive my no trade for and tell Jeter & Co. to get it done. You are going to hear leaks about all kind of suitors and Jeter and the boys wanting to move quickly, but they are just messenger boys in this process. Stanton controls this process and no one else, all he has to do is bide his time and he will end up exactly where he wants to go and the fish end up w/ an underwhelming return.
I think Stanton’s desire to not play for the Marlins anymore outweighs his desire to play in one particular place over another. Do we really he’d jeapordize that just to be a pain in the neck when he has an opt out and free agency looming in a couple years anyway? By definition the only teams making offers on him are going to be looking to win games, which is what he wants.
As long as JBJ is the only starter in the talks… this makes perfect sense for the Sox. Sox will be WS favorites if the talks go down this path. Otherwise awful. Marlins are sitting pretty for a rebuild.
Anyone that thinks Bradley Jr headlines a trade for Stanton is delusional. Bradley a .240 streaky hitter at that for one of ML’s best offense threats ain’t gonna happen regardless of what other “prospects” are included unless at least 2 of those other prospects are: Devers, Groome, Travis or Chavis. At least that’s my opinion.
Baseball revenues are up over 6 fold since Arod signed his 252m deal in 2000. That’s a similar AAV to what Stanton makes now. That was 17 years ago! Stanton also never hit more then 37 hr when he signed his deal. My point is, what was a market rate contract is now well below market rate. It’s also going to look like an absolute steal after Harper signs for 40m/yr. There is a ton of money out there, particularly among the top teams. Jeter wont be eating contract, and they will get a haul back in return. If he went to the Sox, I’d guess the package would center around AB and Groome and go from there. Salary dump lol, the Marlins are looking to rebuild around this trade and Stanton’s epic year came at a perfect time for them.
I agree I think Benintendi, Groome and either Devers OR Chavis goes a long way towards getting a deal done. And you’re right the Marlins aren’t going to eat any of Stanton’s salary.
As I said earlier if the Red Sox made Benny available deal would be done already there is no chance they trade Benny in my opinion. I’m sticking with JBJ and probably Groome if they want pitching then they flip or there is a third third team involved with a JBJ flip.
Do you honestly believe Benintendi is fair compensation for Stanton even with the Red Sox taking all of Stanton’s remaining salary? Because I don’t. Benintendi’s fWAR in 2017 2.2. Stanton’s 6.9.
Cmon Pinball that was Benny’s rookie year and yes I do think he is too much to pay and if he was available the deal would be done already.
I agree Bruin… can’t see the Sox paying the entire contract AND including a player the caliber of Benintendi…. unless the trade included Justin Bour with Stanton.
Honestly I don’t know how to respond to that other than to say I couldn’t disagree more.
See reply to Bruin1012.
I’m not a Sox fan, but add me to the list that thinks Benentendi is too much for Stanton. If it was just about offensive numbers yes it’s no-brainer. But there much more involved. Benentendi is cheap and controllable until 2023. He put up impressive numbers for a 22 year rookie. Yes I know he played in 2016, but in only 34 games, 105 ABs.
Given their situations, Stanton doesn’t have huge surplus value. Benentendi does.
Well let me ask you a question pinball if the Red Sox made Benny available what do you think Boston could get for him?
I’m not familiar enough with most other teams needs. So it’s something I’m not qualified to answer without doing a lot more research. Like I’ve said previously and we obviously disagree I do not think Benintendi is nearly enough for Stanton head-to=head. But that’s just my opinion.
I get it pinball- but do you know enough about Stanton to guess what he would get if he were a FA today? Would it be close to 10years/$295M?
I agree with you head to head, Benintendi isn’t enough for Stanton. But when you factor in what their teams owe them- he is and then some IMO.
Well we will agree to disagree.
If I had to guess being 28 I would say maybe even a little more that $295MM for 10 years. As the saying goes all it takes is 1 GM to make it happen. For reference if Cano can get 10 yrs $240MM at 31 yrs old no reason Stanton make out like a bandit if he were a FA.
Agree pinball. Just takes one GM to be foolish enough to take on a $300M contract, AND give away a top player in order to do it. JMO.
If any team takes the whole contract…they get NO prospects!! Possibly give them JBJ OR Eduardo…ONLY if they take the 35M owed Castillo…Marlins would take Rodriguez for 4 years and Castillo to replace Stanton and still walk away shedding 260M of the 295M still owed…and Castillo batted .314 at AAA Pawtucket…
Good luck with that.
Not a chance Benitendi or Devers goes anywhere…NO how…NO way…5 and 6 years of cost control is worth way more than Stanton…
I will need season tickets to the cardinals
JBJ, Chavis, and a pitcher? Marlins eat some of the money?
Jbj wont be enough. He is in his arb years and only 3 years of control left. Marlins will be looking for guys who provide value at the minimum for a couple of years. They also have to manage perceptions so fans think they are getting something in return and no just a salary dump. I’d guess Benintendi, JBJ, Groome, Chavis, Owens and Swihart. Maybe they kick in a few bucks to help DD sell the deal.
Couple of X-factors. Jeter and the Yankees. Jeter will hammer out the best deal and then may go to the Yankees to see if they can match or better the deal. Yankees have better prospects they could throw in and get the Marlins to eat more money. Marlins would likely not mind eating more money if they can get the quality prospects they need to rebuild. Jeter is not giving DD a sweet heart deal, so dont even hope Stanton goes to Boston for a package that wont hurt
Just for the sake of the conversation if the Red Sox did make Benny available that would be it nothing else but maybe a throw in. Benny is probably more valuable alone then Stanton and that contract.
I don’t really expect that Jeter’s Yankee blood is going to really be tremendous factor now that he’s operating a totally different team. They’re going to negotiate with other teams Boras-style and milk the process for all it’s worth.
Another offseason and the red sox will make a huge move and Brian Cashman will do nothing just like last years.
Good for the Red Sox, they won the preseason last year and got eliminated in the ALDS while the Yankees went on to take the Astros to 7 games in the ALCS.
Stanton will be playing right field for the Angels the next 10 years. Yes the Sox can offer a better package of prospects for Stanton. But Stanton is the one who gets to choose, not the Marlins. If Stanton has his choice, between Boston, San Francisco and the Angels. He will choice the Angels. Because he would rather play in the LA area than any where else.
Having an NTC doesn’t mean he gets to pick where he goes. He might get to influence how the FO picks between multiple acceptable offers but he can’t make other teams make good offers. I highly doubt he’d pick staying with the Marlins over going just about anywhere that resembles a contender.
The NTC does have the power to apply pressure. It’s bad for the Marlins since they might have to accept a lesser deal. Stanton knows that the Marlins want to be rid of that contract. It won’t simply be a choice for Stanton of going somewhere he doesn’t want to versus staying in Miami.
If the Angels Giants and Red Sox make respectable offers to the Marlins. The Marlins then go to Stanton and say, we got good offers from the Giants Red Sox and Angels. Then Stanton will get to choose which team he wants to be traded to. Stanton would choose the Angels in that situation. The Marlins can’t force him to choose the Red Sox. That is why he has a Full No Trade Clause.
Not so sure it would work that way. I think the Marlins select the best deal, say it’s from the Bosox, they then go to Stanton to ask him to waive the NTC to go there. If he likes the idea he’ll say yes. If not the Marlins will go to the the next best deal, repeat the process, and so on, until Stanton says yes.
Why wouldn’t he choose LA Dodgers in that scenario?
The Dodgers have no interest in taking on his salary. The Angels have been known to take big contracts without asking the other team to eat any of it.
But Angels have too many holes and too little budget space. He would the Dodgers.
Nick Cafardo reporting that the deal is Swihart and a PTBNL for Stanton, Ozuna, and Yelich
Lol
That would imply Stanton has negative trade value, since Ozuna and Yelich could bring back more than Swihart and a PTBNL if traded separately.
Nick Cafardo adding that Marlins will pay 1/2 of Stanton’s salary, and Stanton quoted as saying it’s always been his dream to play with the Red Sox. Also, Swihart a malcontent not liked by his teammates or FO. PTBNL Rumsey Castillo.
Rumsey? Now I know you’re kidding.
You didn’t know when he said the Marlins would trade their entire outfield for one failed Major Leaguer?
Sorry Coast- thought my sarcasm was obvious.
Just having some fun.
Why would you ever listen to Cafardo?
I don’t think just Stanton would go to Boston, probably look something like Stanton, cash, PTBNL, unknown minor leaguer for owens, (maybe JBJ), Travis, Groome. Idk maybe I’m over shooting it, but as a tiger fan I’m no stranger to dombrowski trade and this has the makings of it in every aspect.
So you should know that traded Dave will move prospects that aren’t ready for the majors for the big contact. Boston fans will think they gave up less, because the players won’t be known names, and Miami will take more risk, but be able to tell their fans the players they got are quality.
Just here signing up for my 2 Angels season tickets.
Jeter should play wheel of fortune to see where Stanton lands. I think it will be the cards or the bosox. P.S. I’m here for the season tickets.
You all are silly if the Marlins are talking to the Sox just because they have a history of dealing with DD. The only reason these two are talking is because the Sox can give the Marlins the young quality player or players it wants.
Stanton is totally in control of where he lands in 2018. He has a no trade clause in his 13-year contract. Thus, he has two important decisions to make if he wants to leave Miami. First, if he wants to leave does he want to change leagues so that he is covered by the DH rule? Second, does he prefer to play on the east coast or the west coast. If he prefers to change leagues he will end up in Boston. If he wants to play on the west coast he will play in California, either for the Angels or the Dodgers. All other interested parties are merely pretenders for his services.
You are probably right Hawkny, wish the Yankees were in on this deal. Clint Frazier Dillon Tate and Thairo Estrada for Stanton. Marlins pay him 40 mill over 8 years, Yanks restructure his contract, pay Stanton 120 mill over so it increases his likelihood of opting out.
Thoughts?
So you are asking that Stanton restructures his contact to take less money if he doesn’t opt out. Why would Stanton do that and two MLBPA would never allow him to restructure his contract to take less.
The more $ the Marlins eat, the better prospects they get in return. Simple.
They aren’t going to eat much salary if any. They are looking to reduce their payroll to $90MM.and they can’t do that and eat salary.
They are looking to lower payroll to $90 million in 2018. They can eat salary on the back end of Stanton’s deal easily. They will have a new TV contract in 2021 and a new ballpark naming rights deal prior to that. $60-70 million more per season for those two things. They could also afford to keep Stanton if the only consideration was 2021 and beyond.
I’d be happy to trade Xander in a package for Stanton and go after Cozart to play SS. We need some thunder in this lineup, and Bogaerts is overrated.
I think the team that makes the most sense are the Cardinals.. if Boston isn’t going to include Benintendi, their prospects aren’t that exciting to get the deal done.
Cardinals Can give up Dexter Fowler (to cover some money), add Harrison Bader, Flaherty, Hudson, and Perez.
Fowler can either take over leadoff spot once Dee gets traded… or Fowler has plenty of value that you can flip him for more. And at the same time with Fowler getting traded you can plug in Bader to hit second and play outfield in Stantons absence.
The Marlins don’t want Fowler at all.
If you read the second part.. Fowler would just cover some salary. But he has plenty of value that you can flip him.
JBJ has more value when you factor in contracts by a lot
And Marlin fans are balking at JBJ.
That’s not an actual comparison contract wise. But either way, if Boston’s not including Devers and/or Benintendi.. there’s not much else that gets you excited comparing what you would acquire from the Cardinals. CJ Chatham I️ would think would be included as well but Marlins want pitching they can plug into the rotation this upcoming season.
I️ think Harrison Bader will be way better than JBJ will ever be. JBJ doesn’t make you want to jump at a deal. Obviously they would be willing to include the least exciting player from their outfield. They would be crazy to trade Betts.
But Benintendi when it comes to Stanton should be the deal breaker.
JBJ has essentially the same war as Fowler over the last 2 years for a fraction of the contract so yes JBJ is more valuable.
From the way you put it.. seems like you’re saying to center a trade around JBJ.
why would you want to do that.. if per our discussion and comparison of fowler and trade I suggested where Bader would be included….. you get Bader and Fowler both. Bader will be better than JBJ and you can still flip Fowler for prospects/salary dump/pitching help.
We’re talking about the overall picture I guess is what I’m trying to say.
problem is it is Stanton who decides where he goes not the Marilins and Stanton has stated he wants to play on a coast so that removes the Cards from the discussion. Maybe they could talk him into it but i doubt it,
If the marlins are going to rebuild.. or as Jeter said “re-tool” then he either sticks it through or gets traded to what’s in the best interest of the Marlins and at the same time him too. He says he wants to play for a contender most importantly which is why he said he won’t sit through another “rebuild”, and Cards could certainly be considered contenders with his addition.
Obviously marlins need to trade him for salary purposes, but for once I can say I trust the front office, aka Jeter, In doing the right thing and building a winning culture.
How do you know Bader will be better then JBJ? You don’t and I was saying it would probably be JBJ, Chavis, and pitcher probably Groome or Mata. JBJ is then flipped or a third team gets involved.
If you watch Bader play, you’ll know he’s going to be a stud. JBJ is not that good. That’s a weak return for the Marlins.
Trading the games best power hitter and no Devers or Benintendi involved.. not gonna happen. This trades should shape them Marlins future, not just get what you can for him. Groome is your top prospect but he’s not going to be ready for the big leagues this year. Marlins are looking to plug someone in this year and Flaherty and/or Weaver certainly do that.
JBJ is well above average center fielder like I said I haven’t watched Bader play so maybe you are right I just know that JBJ is around 3 wins above replacement a pretty good player if Bader becomes a 3 win player he will be doing real well. JBJ has been a very streaky hitter when he is hit he can carry a team when he is cold he is almost an automatic out. His defense is always too notch and because of that he will always have value. If JBJ figures it out and hits with more consistency he is an all-star but if he goes the other way with his hitting then he is a defensive replacement at worse.
Yeah inconsistency is an issue, but you’re right he could go either way. His defense is certainly top notch but I think you would want to trade for complete players instead of what could be with JBJ.
Let’s think about this as well. Let’s say Marlins have to eat money if they trade him to Boston. And let’s say they eat money from Cardinals by taking on Dexter Fowler. Wouldn’t you want to to take on Fowler’s contract where you can trade him if needed; than trading for dead money? I don’t know much about Rusney, but from what I remember he was somewhat of a cancer. I could be wrong.
I think the Cardinals have the farm system to get a deal done I just don’t think Fowler would be any part of a deal for Stanton.
Rusney was never a cancer with Boston he just couldn’t hit way too many ground balls but his attitude was never the problem.
Boston is probably interested because Stanton is a great player, but I wonder if JD’s asking price of $200 MM has suddenly made Stanton look affordable?
Any one but the Red Sox. Any one but the Red Sox. Any one but the Red Sox. Any one but the Red Sox. Any one but the Red Sox. Any one but the Red Sox. Any one but the Red Sox.
Will you still love Jeter if he makes the deal for the Red Sox?…:)
Give this deal a thought….Stanton to Boston for Rusney Castillo and 3 payments of $5M for 2018-19-20.
There’s not a lot of precedent set when it comes to trade value of a mega power hitter in his prime already signed to a mega deal being traded with several years left on his deal. The best comp is Alex Rodriguez. While Stanton is no Arod I think we can compare. In the Arod deal they were able to get Alfonso Soriano who was coming off of back to back 5 WAR seasons and under control for way under market value for 2 years. In that deal the Rangers ate $67 mil of Arod’s remain 6 years left on his contract. That’s $11 mil per year. If any team is willing to eat $8 to $10 mil per on Stanton’s remaining deal then I think they should be able to command a star player plus a 75-100 prospect in return depending on the level of the star being given up.
Xavier or Nunez should be in play.
While its somewhat of an apt comparison, you are comparing a contract signed 17 years ago to one signed in 2014, adjusting for inflation, Arod was making 37M a year and baseball revenues were a fraction (1/6) of what they are today. That’s why Texas ate money. Stanton’s contract is not high at all. Let’s not forget he’s the main reason people even go watch that team, their attendance will plummit even worse without him. Wait until people see some of the contracts that come out over the next few years,
If anything, I’m arguing that Red Sox fans are under-estimating what I think they should expect to give up for Stanton. They are acting as if his contract has negative value. Is he a risk to get injured? I would say he’s as much more of a risk than Trout who is constantly banging in to walls and sliding head first for catches and while base running.
I’m not saying his contract is negative value… if he were a FA I think he could get close to what he’s still owed. So as far as his “worth” in dollars, he’s being paid his worth. Any team that trades for him, will pay him what he has earned.
I just can’t see any team (not just the Sox) adding a top player or top prospects on top of paying $295M to get Stanton.
For instance;
Say Boston offered Miami Benintendi for Stanton. If Benintendi were a FA today, how much could he get in a five year deal? Would someone give him $15M a year for the next 5 years? More?
If he’s worth just $15M a year for the next 5 years… that’s $75M total. Sox will pay him under $1M these next two before arb even begins, and most likely won’t pay him over $25M over the next 5 years unless he becomes one of the very best players in baseball.
So that’s $50M dollars or more in savings the Sox get for having a prospect like Benintendi come through the system. If they traded him for Stanton- it’s comparable to paying Stanton a $345M contract or more. I wouldn’t put anything past DD, but i think that’s why many Boston fans (or others teams fans with their best prospects) would be against it.
Why did no one claim Stanton when he was put on waiviers just a few months ago? Marlins would be lucky to trade him for any prospect as long as someone took his whole contract.
Clearing waivers is a Moot Point.
He was on revocable waivers, with a Full No-Trade Clause. Almost every player is placed on revocable waivers. No one claimed Bryce Harper either…….or Joey Votto, Felix Hernandez, Justin Upton, Chris Davis, or Yeonis Cespedes. They all cleared waivers in Aug 2017.
Besides…..Those claims don’t usually go anywhere, because the teams that “make a claim”, typically aren’t a team that players “waive their NTC” to go to (because of the priority order of claims).
Like the $42-45 million AAV Trout gets when he becomes a FA after the 2020 season?
Good comparison Fan- but Nunez is a FA and Bogaerts only has two years left before he is one as well. Miami wouldn’t have interest.
Also- again just my opinion but the reason Miami is putting Stanton on the block is because they want to reduce payroll. I really don’t think they intend to eat $10M a year for the next 10 years just to get a better prospect. They’d rather save that $100M, and rebuild with lesser prospects AND that extra money to spend.
The only Red Sox players that have put up seasons as good as Soriano’s are Betts and Sale.
Don’t forget Carlos Quintana
I would rather see them trade for Freddy Freeman, or Votto.Step right into first base , keep jbj and offer hanley another chance at dh…..just a thought
his contract has a no trade close and that being said he wants a west coast team not just a coast team
I hate Boston
So D made a trade with the Marlins ten years ago when Loria owned the team. So what? The writer thinks this give the Bosox an edge?
As much as I would like to see Stanton in Boston…there is NO WAY Jeter would allow that trade no matter what Boston offered…he would not be allowed to set foot in NYC ever again…!! He is using Boston to try and drive up Stanton’s value…!!