Orioles executive VP Dan Duquette held an interesting discussion on 105.7 The Fan today, as Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com documents. Pitching is, of course, still the key to the winter. Duquette talked about his desire to add at least one lefty to the rotation. He also indicated a need to be “resourceful” in adding arms. There’s plenty more to unpack from the interview and it’s well worth reading through the full story. Here are a few of the highlights:
- Broadly, Duquette suggested there isn’t much appetite in the organization to embark upon a rebuild. “We still have a pretty good core group,” he said. “And I’ve got to tell you, that rebuilding, that’s not very much fun.” Duquette did credit other organizations for making good choices when they did undergo a full teardown, but said he’d rather deal with the challenges of remaining competitive year-in, year-out. “[F]rankly, I’d just as soon draft late and have a good ballclub and do as good as we can with the players that we have,” said Duquette. Many outside observers have suggested it’s time for the Orioles to think about prioritizing the future, particularly with a few key players entering their walk years. But the club is heavily invested in a few big names for the future — Chris Davis, in particular — and understandably is hesitant to give up a chance at putting together a competitive roster now even if it means foregoing an opportunity to gather up significant prospects. And it’s fair to note that a mid-season pivot is always a fallback possibility.
- One major element of the team’s long-term plans, of course, is star third baseman Manny Machado, who’s set to reach the open market at the end of the 2018 season. Duquette says that the O’s have to decide “this offseason” whether Machado is “going to be a long-term fixture in [the team’s] lineup.” Of course, even if the team decides to make a real effort at striking a big new contract, they’ll face an uphill battle to convince Machado to sign on for a palatable rate. The 25-year-old was not at his best in 2017, but still managed to hit more than thirty home runs for the third-straight season and is widely viewed as one of the game’s most talented overall players. Machado certainly does not need to give up his shot at the open market to secure significant earnings; he played for $11.5MM last year and MLBTR projects that he’ll cost $17.3MM through arbitration for the season to come.
- Closer Zach Britton was understandably a key topic of conversation, as his trade availability has arisen early in the offseason after the O’s explored talks over the summer. Duquette says he thinks it’s likely that Britton will remain with the organization to open the 2018 campaign, though he said “there’s a lot of interest in him” and acknowledged that the organization “was looking at some options around the trade deadline” involving Britton. All said, the take-away seems to be that Baltimore remains willing to discuss its star reliever but also isn’t exactly aching to move him. The central issues for the Orioles, with regard to Britton, seems to be resource allocation and risk. If he can return to his 2016 levels of dominance, he’d be a screaming bargain at his projected arb salary of $12.2MM. But his contract rights could be turned into other useful assets and his payroll space allocated to other areas of need. And it’s at least arguable that other organizations are better equipped to take on the uncertainty that arose during Britton’s injury-limited, less-than-stellar 2017 campaign.
- There was some chatter yesterday that the Orioles could be looking into a long-term deal with second baseman Jonathan Schoop, who had a big 2017 campaign. But even as he cited one source that indicated contract talks had begun, MLB.com’s Jon Morosi shortly thereafter cited another to deny that “anything of substance” had yet occurred (Twitter links). Duquette further downplayed that idea, at least in the near term. While he credited Schoop and said the team would “love to have him for the best part of his career,” Duquette also said that a long-term deal is “a conversation for another day.” Of course, many extension talks occur during Spring Training, and this could still be a matter to be revisited, but it certainly sounds as if there are no immediate plans for a push. Schoop is yet another player who is about to receive a big arb payout — we project him at $9.1MM — which reduces the team’s leverage with two seasons to go until Schoop qualifies for free agency.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
More hosed than anyone except the Marlins and Royals
jbigz12
Really? Reds are in a much better spot? Every season is hot garbage, they are the orioles of the early 2000s. How bout the prospect less mariners? Tigers? Sold off every asset except Michael fulmer and aren’t sniffing a top 10 prospect chart.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Reds and Tigers at least have a plan for the future and either strong or rising farm systems. I almost included the Reds anyway because of their inability to make good trades. Forgot about the Mariners.
jbigz12
Reds have an inability to develop and keep good players. When you’re a joke for 10+ seasons there isn’t a real plan. They’ve more likely than not burned up Joey votto’s best days though I’m sure he still has some good years left in him. Tigers are moving in the right direction but they have a long way to go. Not every team is going to tear it down and find success that way. Orioles tear it down they’ll suck for a long time. They don’t tear it down maybe they suck another year longer or maybe it didn’t matter at all. You can add the angels to the list too. They’ll always have Trout and Simmons to eventually trade if that’s the route they want to go but I don’t really condemn most teams for trying to give it another run after most think the windows closed. Even your beloved padres tried to win because they were tired of losing. Easy to say tear it down, harder to build it back up.
jbigz12
Do I think the jays, Angels, orioles, M’s or rangers are winning the WS next year? No I don’t. But I don’t want them all bowing down and crowning the Red Sox or Yankees and Twins the wild card winners either. Think the goal is still to win games, you never know what might happen.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Nope. The goal is to make the playoffs. If you can’t do that you might as well go 0-162. You say the Orioles are going to suck for a long time if they burn it down, but they’re going to suck for a long time if they don’t so why not make moves that will help the team contend down the road?
cubsbearsbulls2018
Not to mention the Padres are kind of a mess with no light at the end of the tunnel.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
No. The Padres actually have a plan in place like the Astros and Cubs did 4 years ago and one of the game’s best farm systems.
cubsbearsbulls2018
Hmm, okay.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Padres are not in the “hosed” teams category. Don’t compare them to the Orioles or Marlins.
gorav114
Nah, they finally have a decent farm built up with several youngsters projected to be everyday players in the coming years. They are willing to keep a competitive payroll. They are pretty terrible in free agency but that’s always a crap shoot. I am afraid of mediocrity with them but if they are able to secure two quality starters this offseason they will be fine for next few years. They missed the chance to cash in big on Machado and Britton but they could still get a haul for Britton if he has a strong first half. Machado will get them a high comp pick and he’s a little overrated anyway. I would rather have Machado then not but I definitely am not for the team alotting 300+ million to him.
rickerbocker
A decent farm built up? What in the world is the matter with you? NO THEY DON’T!
Trevor 3
Yes they do!
Wesly Marshall
Wrong! I’m a diehard Orioles fan and we do not have a good farm system all around. We’re desperately hurting for pitching all the way through. Single A Frederick, double A Bowie, and tripple A Norfolk all have the same issues.
Wesly Marshall
Machado is not overrated. He makes plays at third that you haven’t seen in years. He had a little bit of an off year with the bat but look at Bryce Harper. Harper had an off year with the bat in 16 and is still on track to get his monster deal. Machado hasn’t done it any differently. Infact Machado is worth more in my opinion.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Lol. Chance Sisco and Austin Hays ARE their farm. And both will lose their prospect status relatively early next year.
Kayrall
“We’re going to sign some AAAA starting pitchers, an aging power first DH type to a HUGE contract, feign on that Otatani guy, and not entertain any trades for Machado, Jones, or Britton. Any questions?” – DD
User 4245925809
Schoop Angelos might fit into what will pay for, I don’t see him ever paying 30m AAV to anyone.
Why Angelos won’t allow Duquette to use IFA slot money instead of giving it away wastes much of duquette’s ability. He also needs to be able to hire more WW scouts.
stankroenkeshair
This organization is a complete mess. Great manager, smart GM, some great players – but
Benklasner
Angelos
rickerbocker
Smart GM? What? Are you nuts or ignorant? Dan Dumbquette is one of the worse GM’s in baseball. Macphail built a really good team, the media chased him out of town, and Dan Dumbquette came in and ruined it.
Aldo estrada
Why have good expensive players with no pitching. Yankees,redsox seem like a better team than the orioles by a margin
LA Sam
Plan is to overpay for done, has-been P, acquire a couple of controllable never-was a prospect, marginal talent AAAA Ps coming off career minor league years, all the while dealing away every cent of international bonus pool money for said AAAA players, wait out all 29 other teams till days before Cs & Ps report to underpay for middle of the road P w/a questionable injury history, bring back your seasoned “ace” who’s coming off worst year in career w/era north of 9, and the Angelos family not only profits from money made off the team BUT also pockets most of the Nats MASN tv deal money Peter negotiated when Expos came to area and “stole” all those legions of Baltimore fans, and while doing all of this, cry bout not having the resources to compete w/rest of AL East……We Call It Oriole Baseball Hun !!!!!
jbigz12
Nats undoubtedly have and will only continue to cut from the oriole fan base. Everything south of baltimore and Anne arundel county specifically are/shifting to being nationals fans. So, good for him getting the money.
outinleftfield
Resourceful is code for “We have to go for cheap pitchers because Angelos won’t spend money on good ones”.
mehs
Yup back to letting the market play out and dumpster diving when the scraps are left.
dimitriinla
So much irrationality in conversations about the O’s….
Anyhow, it’s worth noting that he did not fully commit to holding onto Zach Britton. His comments also seemed to open up the possibility of trading Machado — which would be a very smart move for the organization and one I think it needs to do. The bottom line is that he does not want to stay in Baltimore, and moreover he is not truly a franchise player for this city and this team. (He is no Adam Jones–I’m talking beyond the numbers here.) The organization can get something strong in return for his value, and it should pursue that route.
customcrown
When the real fans unleash the flames, downvote city from the purists lmfao
slider32
The O’s won’t rebuild as long as Machado is on the team, but I would think they won’t make the same mistake the Royals did last year. They will get some pitching and see where they are at the deadline, if they are not in the hunt they should unload their players and rebuild. One thing for sure, they will have a new GM in 2019 when they rebuild. This is the last year of their window.
stubby66
Once both Rondons are non tendered the Orioles should sign them then all they gotta do is sign a couple starters and pitching is fixed lol
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Royals had a Wild Card spot and were like 2 games behind the Indians at the trade deadline. Holding at the deadline wasn’t necessarily a bad move given that position. I probably would have sold if I were them cuz even if they had held onto the WC spot, they probably wouldn’t have made it past the Yankees, but I don’t fault them for doing it how they did it. It’s over for them now tho.
rickerbocker
Dan Dumbquette wouldn’t have to worry so much about pitching if he wasn’t such a poor GM who’s made really bad decisions. No question one of the dumbest GM’s in MLB today. Sure, Angelos is a baseball moron too, but no excuse for the GM to make ludicrous moves. 5 or 6 years of team control of Davies for Parra? The O’s were like 10 games out of it too. E-Rod, who was overhyped but still adequate, for 30 innings of a relief pitcher? The comedy of errors are too long to list all of them.
Ironman_4life
They should totally hire you as the general manager
Trevor 3
I’ve read your posts. You seem kind of angry.
STL-NYC
Things seem to be working out for Machado to Cards. Stanton to the giants. Cards have all the pitching that the O’s would need.