Rivals are no doubt watching to see how the Rays decide to approach the offseason, as the team’s stable of intriguing trade candidates could change the market quite a bit. The organization is still at “an info-gathering stage,” GM Erik Neander tells Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times. It seems, though, that there’s at least some consideration of dealing some veteran assets. Topkin analyzes the possibility of a full-throated rebuild, something that Neander acknowledges having considered. Of course, the young GM also says he doesn’t think a focus on the future “necessarily always has to come from tearing an organization down to the studs and then building it up.” Indeed, he argues that the Rays have managed to amass young talent while remaining competitive, even if the results haven’t quite been there of late.
More from Tampa Bay and the rest of the AL East:
- Also tackling the Rays situation were Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (subscription link) and Jon Heyman of Fan Rag. Rosenthal calls on Tampa Bay to “deconstruct,” perhaps to the point of marketing all of its best MLB talent, while Heyman says that Tampa Bay is listening to interest from other organizations on its top assets. Both pieces note that third baseman Evan Longoria remains just shy of ten-and-five rights, meaning he can’t block a trade, though Rosenthal also suggests he wouldn’t stand in the way of a move if the club decides not to compete. While Longoria clearly isn’t the team’s most valuable asset — that’d be righty Chris Archer — and is coming off of his worst-ever offensive campaign, the 32-year-old would still surely draw real interest from organizations in need of a third baseman.
- Red Sox president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski covered a host of topics in his chat with reporters yesterday. As Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe reports, some of the most interesting comments covered the team’s search for a “proven bat.” Most notably, Dombrowski suggested that there are limits to the team’s willingness to pursue trade avenues, with the Sox uninterested in dealing away current MLB assets and cognizant of the need to “be careful” of further depleting their stock of prospects. With Boston having dipped below the luxury tax line last year, perhaps it’s now more appealing to take on salary via free agency than to give value in trade. Meanwhile, Dombrowski addressed the question of how the team will help cover for Dustin Pedroia early in the season. He hinted that a significant acquisition might not be necessary, highlighting Marco Hernandez as a strong internal candidate to bridge the gap.
- One key need for the Blue Jays is to find a quality middle infielder to supplement the team’s injury-prone duo of Troy Tulowitzki and Devon Travis, as Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca writes. The team is looking for a player that is capable of handling more-or-less full-time duties, even if that may not ultimately be required. “Our priority is complementing our infield in some way with versatility, someone that can not just play when needed, but someone who can potentially get 600 plate appearances across our infield in some form or fashion,” GM Ross Atkins explains, while also noting that such a player could supplement the outfield mix as well. As Ben Nicholson-Smith further explores, finding that sort of player could well come at a cost. Several rival general managers suggested that they won’t easily part with assets that could meet Toronto’s specifications. As Nicholson-Smith tweets, pitching depth remains on the team’s wish list, too, though it may not be as critical as adding the above-described player and filling at least one outfield vacancy.
- Yankees GM Brian Cashman discussed his approach to the offseason with reporters including MLB.com’s Bryan Hoch (Twitter links). “We have a lot of good players signed,” he said, “so we’re not in a situation where we have to be pressured into moving fast on anything.” Indeed, with quality internal options at most every spot on the roster, New York can seemingly stand to be opportunistic, particularly given that the team is set to dispense its open payroll space judiciously. Cashman also noted that he sees Aaron Hicks as an everyday player. That stance, along with the payroll considerations, seemingly makes it all the more likely that the Yanks will see if they can find a taker for Jacoby Ellsbury and some of his remaining salary obligations.
- The Orioles, of course, face a variety of needs that will be tough to fill with somewhat limited payroll availability. Jon Meoli of the Baltimore Sun provides a look at some veteran international targets that could be on the O’s radar. Signing foreign players to smaller, MLB deals has certainly been a notable Baltimore strategy in the past, and Meoli says the organization is “looking strongly” at doing so yet again.
mlb1225
Just a suggestion, but if they want a middle infielder who could handle fulltime duties, or part time duties, maybe they should look into Howie Kendrick. He can play all over the field, and if Tulo, or Travis get hurt, he can handle a large work load.
Gret1wg
Can’t play SS, legs won’t let him take the daily pounding, turn your computer off and try using common sense!
KnicksFanCavsFan
Well that was a little rude.
CubsFanForLife
Howie and Nunez both make some sense, though I wonder if the asking price for Cesar Hernandez would be low enough to make a deal there.
bluejaysfan
Cesar Hernandez is the name I was thinking, but not for versatility as much as an everyday 2B. I look at names like Profar, Gyrko, Pirela, Solarte or Espinosa as options. I’m not sure what they would have to give up to get them though (Espinosa is a FA, so he maybe the cheapest option).
filthyrich
Espinosa seemed done before season ended. Pirela seems like Goins caliber to me? I’d prefer Goins over either still.
Profar very interesting but still risky, Villar too.
Gyorko seems like something the jays would be outbid for, Hernandez too. Jed Lowrie comes to mind too.
Nunez if cheap enough would be a good idea.
Wouldn’t hate any of these if cost was reasonable.
But my vote:
Let Gurriel be the AAA starter and injury replacement so all money and trade chips can go toward arms race.
JaysFan19
Most of these guys are barley upgrades offensively over Goins/Barney & are downgrades defensively..,
mlb1225
What are you so angry about?
morgannyy 2
Eduardo Nunez?
morgannyy 2
Hiccup
jimmertee
Nunez would be a good add for the Jays. Even though he can still play defense, time to cut Barney. Goins is a keeper – decent glove and range, some good pop, lower in the order bat.
Tim Newport
Jonathan Villar? ss, 2nd pretty decent, 3rd, not so much…of, occasionally entertaining. Some pop, some speed, odd man out in Milwaukee.
bluejaysfan
He would add something the Jays have missed the last couple years… speed. Also a switch hitter which Shapiro seems to like.
Joe Kerr
I’ve never heard the term full-throated before, heard of full-throttle, interesting way of describing a rebuild in Tampa if there is a lot of screaming involved:)
Oakley Dude
That’s when you’re choking on the idea of a rebuild
CubsFanForLife
Yeah I hate those half-gargled attempts.
thegreatcerealfamine
The Yankees first order of business is to hire the manager that takes them into their next title runs. The interviews of such wild cards as Aaron Boone and Raul Ibanez is both intriguing and exciting. Then after this process address CC returning along with looking for a taker for Castro and possibly Betances…
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Who’s your choice for Yankees manager? Of all the guys left I don’t see anyone standing out.
I liked Joe Girardi, though I’m not a Yankees fan I respected him greatly.
Seems like their on the field product is good enough to win. Just need a manager put it all together. .. and to stay healthy.
thegreatcerealfamine
Id like to see Aaron Boone as manager…
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Probably a good hire. I guess you got to give the new guys a chance they have to start somewhere. I was slightly hesitant on Cora as a first-time guy but my Red Sox are young enough to listen and Cora is so well respected that I guess it’s a good hire. We’ll see. I just didn’t like losing Girardi though.
oldyank55
…and that would be why? He’s a second rate commentator, with no insight that I can discern. No managerial experience, along with no club seeking his opinion about anything. His dad may have had some organizational talent but….
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
And you’ll get Carlos Beltran
driftcat28 2
I know you didn’t ask me but I’ll give my two cents. I think Thomson is the best choice as he’s familiar with the team already, known as a great communicator, and has been with the organization for almost 30 years. He would keep the core intact, while still being more laid back that Girardi was. Second I like Muelens from San Fran, he’s won titles with young teams and the Giants think highly of him. My dark horse is Beltran, although I’d kinda prefer him as a bench coach or hitting coach first
JKB 2
I agree. Thomson makes sense
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Sounds like worthy candidates. Are the Yankees interviewing those guys? I just hope they make a good hire. Keep the Rivalry rolling. Good Times ahead !! Both teams, Sox and Yanks, have nice young pieces on the rosters.
thegreatcerealfamine
This morning Ken Rosenthall reported that Beltran is rumored to be interviewing…
timm-2
Trade Betances? His value is the worst it has been right now.
The Castro for Panik rumors are interesting.
This manager search can’t go on forever can it?
The priority needs to be selling Ohtani. Notice Cashman’s comment about the “26th player” a dual role guy gives a team. Part of the pitch needs to be a manager. I find Hensley Meulens very intriguing.
I’d LOVE to see Beltran be the new hitting coach.
thegreatcerealfamine
You mean sign Ohtani? Yea…
If they manage to acquire Panik and rid themselves of Castro that would be excellent…God he was painful to watch in the playoffs…
Betances probably just needs a change of scenery…
oldyank55
Betances got a sour deal from the Yankees in arbitration negotiation last year, and it screwed up their relationship. Girardi mismanaged his use, and it went down hill from there. A trade seems like the only remedy for it. Ellsbury should be wanting to go, more mismanagement by Girardi, but Castro for Panik, where does that make a lick of sense? Castro in the 1st half, was a bat to be feared, his glove has never been great, but he’s made Cano-like plays on occasion. So Ellsbury and Betances for a Veteran 3rd baseman. Keep the rest of the mix and the new manager’s job is an easier transition (Ibanez or Muelens)
the earth is flat
Sox should sign Cobb and trade for Odorizzi.
Give up Matt Barnes, Tanner Houck, Blake Swihart, and Bobby Dalbec for him.
check out this rotation
Chris Sale…. ACE
David Price…. ACE
Rick Porcello…. cy young winner….. ACE
Alex Cobb…. 3.50 career ERA…. ACE
Jake Odorizzi… Number 3 starter
Dump Wright, E-Rod, and Pomeranz to SD for Brad Hand.
bigdaddyt
Price and porcello are paid like aces that’s for sure
jdgoat
I hope you’re trolling Red Sox fans and trying to make them look bad
the earth is flat
I’m a Brewers fan pal
Coast1
So you are trolling
the earth is flat
im making a proposal that helps both teams
Coast1
By both teams you mean the Red Sox in two deals? I don’t see that these deals provide either the Rays or Padres what they’re looking for. You’re trolling and now you’re trying to sell it.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Rather liberal use of the word “ace” I see.
bronxbombers
Rick pot cello may have won the cut young but he is a 3 maybe a 2 at best. His cry young was an outlier year. Price who knows what he will be after the injury riddled year. Chris sale definite ACE. And wright erod and Pomeranz will not get you brad hand lmaoo padres want young controllable not a teams left overs
the earth is flat
u are wrong kid
erod is a young ace
wright pitched like an ace for half a season
pomeranz will be 4th in cy young voting
thats 3 aces for hand
ur getiing me really mad now
Joe Kerr
lol you sir are delusional if you think ERod is an ace.
hiflew
The guy’s name is “the earth is flat.” You might be delusional for thinking he is in any way coherent.
AidanVega123
You’re obviously a troll
mlb1225
E-Rod and a few prospects might get Hand, but not if you throw in Wright and Pomeranz Like bronxbombers said, they want young and controllable, not guys entering their 30’s.
filthyrich
wright for like half a season was pretty much pedro wakefield…. get real if you think sox trade top ace wright for anything less than arenado.
try a snickers earth flat guy.
you nearly giveaway future hof aces when youre hangry.
re-tweeted cleats
The 2018 Red Sox season is dependent upon Porcello & Price having a good rebound from a disastrous 2017 season. Sox have to be happy with what they got from Pomerania we’ll se if he can repeat that next year. Also would not give up on E-Rod. He will be solid starter soon enough.
evelandsrule
The Rays trading Odorizzi within the division is laughable.
driftcat28 2
Lolololololol maybe in terms of dollars Price & Porcello are aces
mlb1225
“Rick Porcello…. cy young winner….. ACE”. One good season doesn’t mean “Ace”. At most, he’s a solid back end of the rotation guy.
kyredsox17
You’re just full of insane proposals..and stop listing “ACE” beside players names. You’re out of your mind.
mehs
Cobb and ACE by what metric?
jimmertee
Cobb is not an ace,. never will be one either. When healthy he is a good pitcher, a light #2 or solid #3.
inkstainedscribe
Longoria to the Braves? Flip him at the deadline if Riley is ready, or trade him next offseason?
Zkirton
I was wondering the same. What would a archer/ odorizzi + longoria deal looks like. I can see AA walking in the door and swinging something big like this.
therealryan
Archer + Longoria would cost a ton. Much more than I’m sure any Braves fan would want to pay. It would probably take something along the lines of Acuna and 2 of Allard/Wright/Soroka/Anderson, plus some quality filler.
fljay73
I think the Rays should & will always listen to offers on many of their best MLB players.
I am mini plan season ticket holder who will not mind any trade as long it improves the team overall (or down the road). The Rays already have a good farm system and it is about ready in terms of producing some good MLB ready players.
The MLB players the Rays could potentially trade over the year or so are-
A. Colome
E. Longoria
W. Ramos
J. Odorizzi
C. Archer
C. Dickerson
B. Boxberger
Adeiny H.
&
S. Stouza Jr.
They have W. Adames, R. Yargough, J. Bauers, B. Honeywell, J. Schultz & at least 6 more behind them all currently in AAA & AA (many to list).
Stro-Show
Jays should go for Villar!
jp3939
What would it take from the Yankees to get Baumgargner
mlb1225
More than what The Yankees are willing to give-up right now.
dynamite drop in monty
The guy who played Kevin on The Office? Probably Clint Frazier and Kevin Maas.
jimmertee
The Jays priority should be pitching pitching pitching. They have one good starter in Stroman. Happ is on the decline, Estarda will fall off the mound as his hierniated disk gives way, I’m told Sanchez finger is still an issue like last year, so he might end up in the pen. Great, let’s open spring training 2018 with ONE good starter and he is a #2. Yeesh. When will the Jay’s brass wake up. Anything short of obtaining a #1 and a #3 will mean a lost season again. Don’t buy the Jays gmt kool-aid that they can compete with this starting staff. They may start the 2018 well, but remember it is a 162 game season.
filthyrich
Look around the league, Jays aren’t that far off.
Twins turned the corner with Colon and Gee types getting them through the grind!
……better team D and manager for Twins admittedly but similar cast to 2016.
jimmertee
Huh? The Jays have one good starter and he is a #2-#3 [stroman]. How can the Jays be not far off with only one reliable horse in the starting rotation?
filthyrich
Not far from WC contention! By your standards they had zero good starters in 2015 & 2016?? Healthy bullpen, MI and production from backup C can carry an average Jays staff to playoffs again. No small feats of course.
Indians, Red Sox are the only AL rotations with multiple horses and even the horses break down sometimes. Yanks, Astros rented extras and likely retain/replace. Jays can’t sit back and wait but this staff in better or similar position than a handful of other AL staffs.
Until Estrada actually falls apart I will be skeptical and disagree with your inside source. Decent #4 if Sanchez is able to reliably start. I strongly encourage adding arms though, you’re on point there, I just disagree with such specific bold proclamations of doom in November.
JayBiz33
i’d buy Shapiro’s Kool aid before i buy yours. just saying.
jimmertee
Lol. My kool-aid was correct last year on so many scouting points and Shapiro’s wasn’t. Just sayin’. it’s all here in these blogs, I can review my last year [accurate] scouting calls of the Jays if you wish.
filthyrich
I am thirsty for a review of last year’s take on Justin Smoak!
Quite sure you claimed Estrada was supposed to miss most of 2017 season. Probably would’ve if on a strong staff so I’ll give part marks. Ate innings in a challenging year.
And part marks for the alley-oop pick that Happ would regress. He regressed less than Porcello though. Pitched like a decent #3 much of the year. Finished strong. Nobody expected him to pitch like a #1-2 guy again.
Full marks for the take on Liriano.
Huge points for posting in every thread about organization need for pitching depth after such a lucky health stretch in 2015-2016.
The alternatives were poor but if the current prospects fail, you’ll ultimately be proven correct. I’m hyped on the prospects so I think we still need patience and luck for another year. I’d try to trade more aggressively from ML roster personally.
For the record, I feared Stroman/Sanchez inning spikes most of all and wanted better pitching depth. Not recalling anything exciting available. I also thought Bautista finished 2016 strong and would bounce back. Had faith in Liriano/Grilli/Biagini. But this broken clock was right about Smoak!
Mostly don’t wanna believe you but hoping to show you some silver linings at least.
jimmertee
Hey filthyrich, truth is I don’t like calling the holes so much, but it is one of those I see what I see things. Smoak was nothing short of miraculous, too miraculous for me and many [quiet] MLB insiders.
A bat doesn’t speed up at 30 yrs old, after 300o MLB ab’s and 6 yrs in the bigs with a swing plane change, lol. A Smoaks bat sped up amazingly last year. I saw some swings that blew my mind. Where was this guy all those past years? As I have written before in these blogs, I beleive that cannot happen naturally.
Adderal[permissable] and a sports psychologist can do that, so can other substances. The toronto star did a great article a few years ago on the PED affects of adderall in basbeall. It is illuminatiing. I am not accusing Smoak of anything, but that batspeed change cannot happen naturally. Period.
Look at Chris Davis of Baltimore as an example of a longterm adderall user, both with a MLB exemption and without.
It is on record by more than one basbeall professional and other journalists that Smaok had a career year in 2017 and will regress heavily this year. I guess it depends on his off season plan.
Like Greg Zaun and others, many were calling Jays mgmt to trade smoak for top propect capital at the 2017 trade deadline. I think that would have been a great idea and speeded up the rebuild process greatly. I wouldn’t want the season to start with Smoak at first base for fear his bat would fall back to his career numbers and thus reducing his trade value. Nope, trade him now.
jimmertee
Blue Jays Silver linings? I think the jays relief core is very strong this year. Dominic Leone surprised me last year and I think he has much more in the tank as a dominant setup reliever. I hope Chris Rowley can do the same. They Jays like him and I see the potential. He can fill a releiver hole. I think Tepara found himself and barring injury he will dominate again in setup. Osuna is still learning, worked through his anxiety issues and still had 39 saves. Just awesome.
And the rest can be filled out from the of the group of Koelgher[if signed] Sanchez[finger issues back to pen], Mayza, Biagini, Barnes, Rowley, Santos, Dermoudy, etc. Time to trade/cut loup and replace him with a kid or shut down lefty.
filthyrich
Great insight.
To me, there was no market for Smoak. Too many skeptics remain. A’s got minimal return on Alonso, and Jays would’ve wanted more for Smoak with the extra year. Smoak averaged out by the end of season but still great value considering cost and defense. This year is different with a raise likely to follow. Expecting a trade at some point this summer. Finding a taker now would be great but he’s a cheap piece so I’m not against waiting.
Osuna needed help last year, hoping he gets it. Ten blown saves doesn’t do him justice. He seems like a rock but I still worry. Forgot Rowley, I’d prefer over Koehler anyway. Take Koehler if he accepts minimum but salary projection says let him go. Leone and Tepera both impressed, perhaps help is already here. Sanchez pen is fine for now, If it keeps him active! I thought Loup was better down the stretch. Another lefty would be nice. I liked Ramirez over Mayza, Dermody, Santos but bullpen can be coin flip. Solid assessment.
qbwrecker
Chris Archer to NYY for Tyler Austin and PTBNL
thegreatcerealfamine
You can do better then this!!!
Macho King OG
The Yankees are looking for Joe Torre with a degree in Computer Science.
Flapjax55
Lol!!!
keeler2434
One guy not being mentioned for Yanks DH n should get closely looked at is Cargo Gonzalez. He has the perfect swing for the short porch in right field. He wouldn’t have to play outfield unless of an injury or two. Really think he’d be great as DH in New York. Nobody has really brought him up so I thought I would. Might be a shot in the dark. But if you really think about it. He could be a monster at Yankee Stadium.
JayBiz33
Shaipiro loves him some switch hitters. Bet Neil Walker will be wearing a blue jays jersey next year.
jimmertee
Could be. Won’t help much though. jays need Starting pitching and quality starting pitching depth or they are going nowhere again.
JayBiz33
Alex Cobb would be nice but i think realistically you might see Jamie Garcie due to his ground ball tendencies and cheaper price tag
jimmertee
Jaime Garcia has pitched like #2 once in his career, but he is mostly a fragile #4. He is a fair piece but that is all. He won’t help a team win a championship. He can barely get over 150 innings. He would be depth on my club. If a club is depending on him to play a major role, they are in trouble.
JayBiz33
i bet that’s all they will be looking for, Something to keep them in the mix untill the trade deadline. If they are in it, then i’d see a guy like Alford packing his bags in trade for a legit #1-2 from a non contender and garcie hits the pen as a needed lefty. but, If they aren’t in it….Say goodbye to Donaldson and stroman and you haven’t commited much to garcie and he’s your new #3 starter for 2019 lol. all the jays need for 2018 is a #4-5 for depth. Stoman, (healthy) sanchez, Happ, Estrada is a good 1-4 for 2018. it’ll get you where you got to go.
jimmertee
We’ll have to agree to disagree on that starting rotation. Stroman will be Stroman, I hear Sanchez finger is still problematic and at least one person in the room feels he’ll be in the pen, Happ will continue the decline, Estrada has a herniated disk and will have trouble with control, just a bad signing. So no, this 1-4 will not get the Jays to where they got to go. It will get them out of the playoffs [again].
filthyrich
Humbug!
Still waiting for Estrada to fall apart but he still has less warts than what’s out there, considering price/term.
Sanchez has hope if Rich Hill can thrive again.
Happ decline? Returned from slight injury just fine by me. Great value as in season trade chip.
More worried about Osuna than these guys. Rushed him back from anxiety issues and he never looked 100% rest of year.
Stroman’s workload since injury worrisome as well but he passed all checkpoints so far with ease.
If you believe in the BlueJays more, this sleigh might fly.
Anderson looked decent for a bottom barrel add. Few more options like that is enough for me…. More cheap bullpen signings to flip for prospects too…. Smith again?!… is Biagini ruined?…. Tepera legit?…
Key championship pieces are already in place. Just don’t stare too hard, they’re fragile.
jimmertee
A lot of ifs and hopes in that. Fragile and old too. Bring on the rebuild of mega-upgrades.
JayBiz33
I’m with you filthyrich. Estrada is a great sign for ability years/term.. no need to look at that one much. and happ is a great compliment to Estrada. same type of agreement but a lefty. as a 3/4 they will work out to as league average as you get. for those slot positions.
I’m not concerned one bit about Osuna. Cold as ice.
Anderson should have roster spot. even if they pick up another barrell starter (see: Garcia) worst case he the new #6/long man, (see: Estrada 2015)
don’t see the jays flipping any prospects for anything unless they know something we dont, like underlying injuries/attitude with a certain player.
Jays are much better than the ’17 record looked. have faith non-believers. have faith.
they’ll be right in it come Sept.
jimmertee
Without the Jays acquiring a true#1 starter and an [another] #3, a half time catcher, and a powerbat for rightfield, a healthy 2nd base and a lead off guy, the statement “they’ll be right in it come Sept” is nonsense.
Tops is 3rd place out of the playoffs again. [Just like I accurately called it last year at this time for 2017.]
I can’t do the RaRa false hopes thing when reality is just not there. #Scouteyes
JayBiz33
Stroman is a true #1 check his numbers. I bet he’s even better next year and believe him to even have a cy young season in him.
Another #3 pitcher? They allready have a #3. And a #4. So a #5 pitcher that can pitch like a #3? Sure. Who doesn’t want #3 stats from the #5 slot. Good call!
A backup catcher won’t make or break playoff hopes.
Powerbat OF (see: Jay Bruce)
And they’ve needed a leadoff hitter for a couple decades now, so whats one more year.
2B. Hopefully Neil walker will sign a two year deal. He can also play 3b when tulo is hurt and Donaldson is playing short. Lol
Easy Peasy Japanesey
filthyrich
Devon Travis is a key cog. Hard to bank on him. Definite need MI depth. He’s the best chance to fill multiple needs still.
Backup catcher was a huge problem 2017. Definite need.
Speed/true leadoff another definite need.
Two ML arms. Definite need.
In house options aren’t close enough.
But there were over 10 games last year where an improvement in 1-2 spots on field/in lineup would’ve helped.
And the team thrived with warts before.
So I must insist: all hope is not lost.
Reinforcements are needed but many of those holes will be filled by March.
Stroman WBC cemented him in my mind as more than a #2.
Predictions of a Cy for Sanchez last year from many Jays fans scares me away from bold Stroman predictions.
I wouldn’t hate a Walker signing but would prefer to add speed/youth to the lineup. Same for Bruce.
Cain rumours: similar thought, at least he’s fast for now.
Build a lineup for the turf is the key. Vets break down.
I’ll be extremely let down if Gurriel’s not up by May. Likely reason the Jays are out on Ohtani. Making millions in minors.
Arbitration raises could take away from FA budget too. Still handcuffed with too many $10+ mill contracts.
I’d expect trade of arbitration type before a prospect type.
Tough to trade when the chips mostly lack value.
Tough to wait when the FA options seem out of budget.
Jimmertee has a case but the in house ifs are more appealing than the costly alternatives.
Scout eyes don’t seem to be factoring in budgetary restrictions faced by this front office. Trade prospects? Blows up the budget. Trade stars? Loses revenue. Sign FA? Difference makers aren’t in the current budget. I’m sincerely curious of potential solutions a scout would be considering.
To be a brat about it, #pitchereyes aren’t terribly impressed with #scouteyes. Watching from a very similar perspective. Neither of which is a GM’s perspective.
filthyrich
Clarification that I’d aim for MI depth that can SS. But I’d rather fast track Gurriel than add to roster if it came to more Tulo injuries.
Today’s rough draft, bbref as source:
13 bats- Martin, Maile. Smoak, Morales, Travis, Tulo, Donaldson, Pillar, Hernandez, Pearce, Goins, Carrera, Refsnyder.
Upgrade of Refsnyder would be expected.
Maile, Goins, Carrera, Pearce, Morales upgrades would be nice. Already around $93 million though.
12 arms- Stroman, Sanchez, Happ, Estrada, Koehler, Osuna, Biagini, Tepera, Loup, Leone, Barnes, Ramirez.
Around $51 million.
Add arms to keep some of these names as AAA depth would be expected.
Around $135 million prior to playoffs bumped to $164 million starting 2017 suggests we’ll see a maximum of $165 million starting 2018, possibly lower.
This leaves $20 million max for upgrades barring big trades. Urena over Goins saves a million. Alford over Carrera saves a million. Trade Pearce for low prospect saves $6 million. Non tender Koehler and Loup saves about $7 million. Possible trade Pillar/Sanchez if Tulo/Morales can be bundled. Unlikely.
$35 million with one hole in outfield, one in staff and one in bullpen. Upgrade of Urena, Alford, Refsnyder, Maile, Ramirez also smart.
Aim for 3 of bargain potentials, perhaps T.Ross, B.Anderson, Iwakuma, Siegrist, Petit, Watson, de la Rosa, Neshek, Shaw, Minor. Oh, Nicasio, Smith. Try to spend under $20 million annual on these 3.
Iannetta, Hundley maybe. One of Rajai, Maybin, L.Martin, Nunez, S.Smith, Ichiro could fit. Stuck under $15 million annual to upgrade offense. Carrera/Goins/Loup may remain to keep cheapish depth in place. Only way Pearce has trade appeal is if alternatives all expensive. He’s fine if healthy but an easy speed upgrade in OF if he had a taker. Can’t afford DFA..
I’d likely keep Goins/Carrera/Loup/Pearce around. And make biggest pushes for Iannetta, Maybin, Nunez, B.Anderson, Iwakuma, Petit.
Enjoy the laugh now and/or later. This blind squirrel is gonna feel around for a snack. Good chat. Go Jays.
jimmertee
Wow, Lotsa work here, love the accounting. I’ll disagree on the scouting component holes of the Jays though. I say we have 3 holes in the starting rotation and 2 in the bullpen. The Bullpen can be tried with AAA guys that are ready.
The starting rotation is a different story. I am seeing that Estrada, Happ, Biagini and Sanchez for different reasons are not going to be a MLB championship team calibre starting staff. That leaves trades, promotion from within or using your 20 mill. The math doesn’t work. This team may get off to a good start but with age, injuries, and the fruit of poor professional scouting, the 162 games season will take its toll and as built now, the tops in the division is 3rd and out of the playoffs.
jimmertee
I am not caring about the money, I see the need and call it out. If I was a GM, my first hire would be an assistant GM who can run the finances so I can run the baseball field at all levels.
Travis needs to be traded now. His future health on the turf just won’t make it. Too many holes on this club to buy the solution, that means promotion from within, rule 5 or trading prospects which Shapiro/Atkins are terrrified to do.
I predict the good start to the season but age, injuries, lack of talent and big holes in the lineup and starting rotation will take its toll.
The only way to speed this up is a total tear down, that is trade every body that has value at the MLB level that is not controllable -donaldson, smoak, goins[?] and any others for as good as the market can get. I would also offer up Bischette as tradebait. I project him as an average MLB level player whereas I project Vlad jr as a star. Trade Bischette now while the wolves are hungry and circling. lol.
filthyrich
Team is close to having financial flexibility but it feels like they wanna keep fan interest so aggressive actions are intentionally avoided. Safe assumption that ownership saw a boost during playoff runs and wants to avoid any sharp declines. Probably against better longterm interests but the shareholders must appreciate the thought. Delicate balance I bet.
For 2018, third in division still holds WC potential and the Jays aren’t looking outclassed in that race to me. Turned Liriano/Smith into two interesting pieces last year. Currently 6-7 nice prospects where I don’t feel crazy to think 1-2 may be ML ready for Sept. My crazy side expects 1-2 by June. Gurriel & Alford for the record.
Package Bichette is interesting. I wish ratings/attendance/profit wasn’t such a factor because I agree strongly with most of your sentiment here.
filthyrich
Also would trade Travis but imagine only lowball offers. Cheap enough to wait on. Some package of Travis/Bichette/Smoak or some you suggest could definitely land a more exciting arm than FA options.
Interesting thought. I wouldn’t hate.
Hopeful for hot starts to give some of these guys more trade appeal. For now it feels like selling low.
Looking to see a bigger trade between Cle/Tor this season. Carrasco/Kluber/Bauer probably out but I’d pay big for Clevenger. And Salazar but both pipe dreams. Tomlin cheap. Not sure they trade any.
Trade with Braves enters my imagination too. Bound to be a piece or two that Anthopoulos values. Dansby/Markakis for Travis/Pearce Lol. Pipe dream but gotta start somewhere. Markakis could be new Upton. Mashes in TO historically. 5 years younger than I thought. Gotta take on a contract to keep prospects though.
filthyrich
Also curious around the AL beyond Cle/Hou/Bos/expected NYY what rotations are looking better than Tor?
TB/Bal/Min/KC/Det/CWS/Tex/Sea/LAA/Oak all have questions too. TB, LAA both have strong potential to me.
Just gotta finish 5th in AL.
Stroman 7th in AL IP, good innings. Top 15 AL SP seems fair which is a #1-2 arm.
This logic is worrisome for Sanchez. Personally love him in bullpen if he can’t start. Wild card #1-2 in staff or pen.
Estrada 11th in AL IP, average innings. Top 50 AL SP to me equals #3-4 starter at $13M is fair. How long he can hold up is very valid. Happ 40th in AL IP, above average innings. Almost a case for top 30 AL SP to me which is pretty standard #2-3 guy. Great deal.
Top 4 could be above average but adding a #2-4 caliber arm would be huge. Necessary insurance or luxury depth.
Biagini #5 is a stretch but if he’s #4, yikes!
Could be 3 holes in rotation but that’s pushing it to me, closer to two but some could push an argument for 1 relative to rest of AL.