Yankees manager Joe Girardi is entering the offseason without a contract, but it appears he’ll continue in his current post. After the Yankees’ season-ending loss to the Astros in Game 7 of the American League Championship Series on Saturday, Girardi “left no question” that he wants to return, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets. The Yankees, for their part, would like Girardi back, Nightengale adds. This year was the Yankees’ 10th under Girardi, who has helped them to six playoff berths – including a World Series championship in 2009 – and a 910-710 regular-season record.
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- Although designated hitter Matt Holliday endured a disappointing season, he told Scott Miller of Bleacher Report on Saturday that he intends to play in 2018 (Twitter link). Set to turn 38 in January, Holliday will be a free agent for the second straight offseason, though his next contract surely won’t approach the guaranteed $13MM the Yankees gave him last winter. The highly respected veteran appeared in just one of the Yankees’ 13 playoff games after ending the regular season on a second-half cold streak. Holliday was an effective cog in the Bombers’ offense until a viral infection forced him the disabled list in late June, and he never returned to form after that (he also missed most of August with a back injury). All told, Holliday hit .231/.316/.432 line with 19 home runs and a .201 ISO in 427 plate appearances.
- Third baseman Todd Frazier, another of the Yankees’ impending free agents, told reporters after Saturday’s game that he “would love to be back” with the club in 2018, adding that he has “never been more excited to play the game of baseball than in a Yankee uniform with these guys” (via Steve Politi of NJ.com). The boisterous Frazier, 31, performed well with the Yankees after they acquired him from the White Sox in July, but the New Jersey native’s desire for a multiyear deal could bring an end to his Bombers tenure, Politi writes. The Yankees already have another starting-caliber third baseman on hand in Chase Headley, who has a year left on his contract, with touted prospects in Gleyber Torres and Miguel Andujar waiting in the wings. It’s also worth noting that superstar third basemen Manny Machado and Josh Donaldson are scheduled to hit free agency a year from now.
What do you guys think of the Yankees trading Ellsbury, Headley, and Castro this offseason? They could even use Betances to help moves one of these pieces. Torres could play SS and move Didi to second, along with bringing Frazier back on a two-year deal if Headley can be moved. This team would be much stronger that way giving the team the ability to compete while giving the team the ability to see what they have in Clint Frazier and Torres before the big spending offseason next year.
I wouldn’t trade Castro until Torres proves something
I think they’ve made it clear it’s Torres who would change positions. Didi has solidified his spot as the Yankees shortstop.
100% Torres was at 3b in minors till he blew out shoulder
Not gonna move Castro. He’s on a really good contract and Torres had injury issues.
And a little bit of defensive liability.
Why move Didi? He is an elite defender at SS
No one would be interested in Ellsbury unless you ate literally the WHOLE contract. You couldn’t get someone to take him for free otherwise.
Why would Torres play SS over Didi? Why would Frazier take a two year deal instead of 3 he will get elsewhere?
Let Frazier go I dont care he hits 30 HR he bats 215…… i rather Torres or Headly
Why would you bring Frazier back and trade Headley? I didn’t see anything this season from Frazier that showed he’s better than headley.
Frazier is way better than Headley.
Other than home runs, how so?
Defense and hitting. He’s an above average hitter, even if only slightly. Headley is below average
Headley has a higher career batting average and on base percentage.
Frazier is ranked as a better defensive 3b. Between both the White Sox and his time with the Yanks, Frazier rated a 6.3 in def compared to Headley who rated a -4.6. Factor in the HRS and it’s even more obvious.
That being said, I like Headley. Because of Bird’s injury history, the fact that both Headley and Frazier can play 1B and the likeliness of Holiday not being asked to return, I like the idea of a 3B, 1B and DH rotation of Headley, Frazier, Bird and maybe Andujar (3B/DH) for the start of the season., Bird would be the starting 1B and can get ABs as a DH too,
If Frazier would take a 2/$20 to 2/$30 I would do it.
I rather torres and headley then resigning frazier and his 215 ba avg
you also have andujar who is improving at 3b
frazier is a bust or hr guy i rather a 275+ avg its why houston is so good most of team hits 250+
Frazier is clutch
All the analytics do show Frazier as clutch.
I think Cashman will shop all of those guys this winter along with Warren and Gardner. I don’t see them keeping Frazier unless he move both Headley and Castro for what he wants for them. I think he tries to sign Ohtani and McGee this off season, and resign Tanaka. One thing i don’t see is big ticket spending anymore, the stars are on the team. I see pitching as the top priority, all position players are set long term depending on their play on the field. Line-up Torres, Judge, Sanchez, Bird, Ohtani, Didi, Castro, Frazier, and DH. Rotation- Sevy, Tanaka, Ohtani, Gray, and CC/ Adams/ Sheffield
No Frazier…his market takes him out of town…the rest seems possible. Yanks might trade for Eduardo Suarez or Travis Shaw to stay away from the big free agent contract of Machado…while getting more offensive production and better defense than Headley.
I think he means Clint Frazier
If the Yanks sign Ohtani I seriously doubt they would allow to split time between being a hitter and a pitcher.
Please stop posting this same stuff on every article! You’re a Diamondbacks fan…
That’s rich coming from you
Stfu clueless
In now way would they ever shop Gardy
Never say never. Yankees have shopped Gardener before.
we don’t need Otani
Moving the players mentioned is ok…but Torres is probably not a better SS than DiDi.
Castro is proven. Torres isn’t. No need to rush to move anyone for Torres,
No need to include Betances to entice a trade of anyone aside from MAYBE Ellsbury.
Ellsbury is overpaid but that aside, he’s still capable of being a starter on quite a few teams. Measure him up against OF w/ at least 800 AB over the last two years and rates better than 20 or above in SB related metrics and defense.
I would like to see the Yanks trade for Giancarlo Stanton by moving Clint Frazier and Justus Sheffield with a couple lesser pieces.
no thank you to Giancarlo. a Clint Frazier for Christian Yelich I would be all in for. Plus, Yelich is signed to a sweet deal for the foreseeable future.
They already have Stanton’s younger brother from another mother playing RF for them. His name is Aaron Judge.. Stanton hit .281/.376/.631 good for an OPS of 1.007 and an OPS+ of 165. Judge hit .284/.422/.627 for an OPS of 1.049 and an OPS+ of 171.. They had basically identical seasons.. Judge did strike out more but he also walked a lot more.. Judge also hit 3 triples and had stole more bases.
So, I don’t understand the Yankees need for a $25 million dollar version of what they already have at the league minimum.. Not to mention giving up one of their best pitching prospects and one of their best well rounded hitting prospects. The trade makes zero sense from the Yankees standpoint..
The Red Sox shouldn’t chase him either.. Unless, they are prepared to blow past the tax threshold. Trading for Kemp to DH, while moving Ramirez back to 1st makes more sense. Getting Kemp out of the OF and letting him concentrate on hitting will make some GM look like a genius. Plus, he could be had for almost nothing with LA, San Diego (and probably Atlanta) picking up a good portion of his contract..
“So, I don’t understand the Yankees need for a $25 million dollar version of what they already have at the league minimum..”
Uhhhh… So they can have two of them in one lineup…
The only way your logic makes sense is if you think they are trading Judge in a deal for Stanton, which wouldn’t make sense.
God no!!!!
I hate to break it to you but the Yankees will not have a big spending offseason next year.. They have too much young talent and do not need a single position player outside of a backup power bat.. They have several young SP prospects in Adams, Sheffield, Acevedo, Abreu and even Tate. They have 3 young cost controlled MLB starters in Severino, Gray, and Montgomery and a very deep and talented bullpen. THIS will be the offseason where they are most likely to spend on veterans.. CC and Arod’s expiring contracts are worth $47 million alone.. So, they have some available money to spend while still getting under the tax threshold. I can see them signing Darvish (if Tanaka opts out) to help lure Ohtani (who will sign an amateur contract and will be league minimum for some lucky team next year) and maybe someone like Napoli on a one year deal. They will also try to land Sabathia for around $10 million and that will be free agency for them for the next couple of years (barring injuries).. They are stacked with prospects at every position except 1st base (where they have Bird). Having plenty available to trade for cost controlled MLB talent if it is deemed necessary. Take a good look at their farm and tell me you still think they are going to chase Harper/Machado/Donaldson.. Kershaw would be the only one I would hedge my bets on them going all out on next year (if he opts out)..
Doubt that but ok.
Name one prospect they have better then Harper or Machado…
Austin Aune
Thank you. And I like Andujar but my money says he’ll be me more like Melvin Mora than Adrian Beltre. Now Melvin Mora was good, but if you’d rather have that over prime Manny Machado, I need the number to your weed man because my ass is tryna be that high. Either that or your just plain stupid. Also I’m not super sold that Clint Frazier is a lock to be a star, and I think that eventually guys like Andujar & Frazier and maybe a McKinney and other will probably get moved for starting pitching at some point. Just my gut feeling on it.
Also I think the OP’s logic is very flawed if your going to tell me that you would rather then go all out and give Kershaw who’s gonna be 31-32 who has an injury history and a ton of mileage on his arm a 5-10 year deal worth $160-$200 Million over Machado or Harper who are gonna be 25/26 and should have at least 7/8 MVP caliber years left barring any serious injury. Donaldson he’s got a point on though. I’m not giving him anything past 2-3 years with an option if I’m actually gonna make a run at him.
Pretty spot on Coffin.
You may be the worse GM. Headley is better than Frazier and signed cheaper. No one is taking Elsbury unless we eat contract, Gardner is more likely to be traded to open left field for Frazier. Torres will be the 3B with Headley the backup to him and Bird. Why would you move Didi when he was best fielding SS in AL?
Ellsbury is gone. Cashman needs the 40 man spot and Gardner is way more valuable to the team. The Yanks will eat all but 5 to 8 mil.
Castro will move to 3rd Torres 2nd and leave Didi right where he is
I’m not sure it’s the right time to trade Castro (maybe the deadline or next offseason), but Betances, Ellsbury, and Headley are sure to be dangled. Gardner may even be moved to make room for Clint Frazier to play every day.
I’d like to see Todd Frazier resigned in a utility/backup/DH role, as he appears to be a good veteran presence for a very young team. A team that will lose Holliday (who was said to be a mentor for Judge), and could lose Gardner, Sabathia, Headley, and Ellsbury.
No way they move Gardner.
That would be a bold move at this point by Cashman, it all depends on what he can get for him, same with Betances. They both would bring back the best package. Trading them could complete the rebuild and decrease the need to sign over paid, question mark, free agents.
Yeah I doubt they would move Gardner. This team needs to have a verteran presence and he’s and CC are the last remaining players from the 2009 team. He may not come back after next season but I don’t see him being trdaed.
They have a team/player option with Gardner for 2019…
Nope. Just a team option.
The best kind of option there is.
Yea I knew that..brain dump
All good! Lots of good talk here.
Weird you picked player team option tho, since they’re often rare. You thinking of ex-Yankee and current Yankee killer Bryan McCann?
Read that 2019 option. That’s a weird one. Vesting/team/player options into one, with no buyout.
Brian* McCann
I’d be shocked if Frazier was willing to sign as a backup. He could get a 2 year deal as a starter.
Correct. ATL be very interested in that. Might not be great 3B defense but still an upgrade over what we have and good bridge to the future (Riley?). His power presence would make them less reliant on Kemp, which needs to happen.
Frazier is actually known as one of the best defensive third basemen in the league, that is like his main thing.
He is good ranked 8th, but not great. The Yanks would have to move both Castro and Headley to sign Frazier. Torres has the potential to be a star , better than Bregman at third, and better than Castro at second. They need to have a spot for him next year. He will only cost minimum.
Yanks are not going to move Castro or Headley to make room for Torres. He just missed a chunk of the season. Castro is a legit ..300/.330/.450 hitter with 25 hr potential on a good contract. Let Torress start in AAA and perform his way on to the team. Same for Clint Frazier.
Good enough that they dealt for him. Good is much better than most teams.
Frazier has elite 3B defense. I don’t know if the stats back it up but with my own two eyes he saved two maybe, three runs on hard hit line drives with a tough spin in the ALCS and strong throws back to first.
His defense made his hitting (or lack thereof ) tolerable, HR were icing on the cake, and career high 83 walks.
If he doesn’t come back in pinstripes, “Toddfather” will be missed, but it’s a business.
Torres isn’t playing third
I’m not saying Fraizer isn’t a bad 3rd basemen, but defense is definitely not his calling card.
“I’m not saying Fraizer isn’t a bad 3rd basemen, but defense is definitely not his calling card.”
Among all third basemen in MLB, Todd Frazier is ranked:
Second best UZR/150 (9.7)
Third best UZR (6.7)
Third best Def (8.6)
Third best RngR (3.0)
Third best DPR (1.3)
Fourth best: Defensive Runs Saved (10)
And he Passes the eye test.
Defense is definitely his calling card.
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=fld&#…
Next season the Yankees will have C.Frazier, Gardner, Ellsbury, Judge, and Hicks all vying for 3 spots in the outfield. Ellsbury will be hard to move. Garnder’s value is probably at its highest right now. They WILL put him on the market– they’ve done so before. Hicks has proved he can be an every day player; if Ellsbury can’t be moved, Gardner will be made available at the very least.
As for T.Frazier, I never suggested he’d be WILLING to serve as a backup, but that id like to see him back as one. Simply reading what I wrote rather than inferring what you wanted to see would have told you that.
I do however think it would be worth an attempt by the Yankees to convince him he’d have more fun playing 3 games a week as a backup 3B than as a full time 3B in a place like San Franciso, Boston, or Atlanta. With such a young and inexperienced infielding prospect coming up, having him on the roster has value as a mentor– and given regular injuries and slumps, he could easily find his way into 90-100 games, even if he’s not the opening day third basemen.
Do I expect them to resign him as a backup? No.
I’m not certain the giants need a 3B next year. They already have Sandoval, who did ok after he came back to SF, and Christian Arroyo waiting in AAA.
So I guess the White Sox and Reds, who paid Frazier all that money, aren’t worth giving max effort for.
Frazier and Hicks: 2017 inductees into the Now I’m a Yankee so I’ll actually try club.
Wouldn’t read too much into it. It’s a cliche that players say all the time.
That’s a pretty cynical and wrong-headed view. There’s no comment by Frazier that he didn’t try until coming to the Yankees. And if you noticed, he only hit .222 with the Yankees. As for Hicks, his play this season (.266, 15HR) wasn’t so much better than his last year with Minnesota (.256 with 11 HR).
“There’s no comment by Frazier that he didn’t try ”
Have you ever read such a comment from a MLB player?
Gary Sheffield in Milwaukee is the only guy who comes to mind for me.
He was one of their best players before he got injured, don’t you agree?
Maybe it was exciting for him because he was on a team that was competitive. Not sure how his comment would come off as him not giving max effort.
When did Frazier say he did not try? I missed that. He said he was excited to play for the Yankees
See…let me explain to you…its called being happy to be in a pennant race!!!
They certainly have a lot of options and different ways they can go. I don’t think trading Headley or Ellsbury will be that easy. Ellsbury is 34 and even if they eat half the contract not many teams are going to want him to play CF or anywhere else for that matter for 3 years.
Todd Frazier is a great defender, love the enthusiasm, and it’s cool he’s a local guy but realistically they shouldn’t bring him back. He’s going to want a multi year deal, but he hits 210 and strikes out a ton. It might be best to stick with Headley and then bring up Andujar and Torres in June to take over. If they can somehow trade Ellsbury they will then have more AB’s overall to go around, and possibly use a rotating DH with Headley moving to the bench.
I think Girardi should be manager of the year and this is coming from a die hard Red Sox fan.
It could, but I’d maybe still lean towards Molitor. I’m pretty sure they’re the first ever team to go from 100 losses to the playoffs. You can’t really go wrong with Girardi, Molitor, or Hinch though
Another Red Sox fan agrees on Girardi
Girardi will be back case closed
I think Girardi is a lock, he will get a raise and a 3 yr. deal!
I think he comes in 2nd behind Paul Molitor, or maybe 3rd to Francona.
Yankees need to bring Frazier back to be their starting third baseman. Maybe on a 2 year deal… He’s the perfect fit in NY. Use Headley as the DH for 2018. Let the young guys like Torres work their way in. Other than that, Yanks need one more starting pitcher to from their rotation along with their core of Gray, Tanaka and Severino.
I’d guess that Frazier will be angling for much more than a two year deal. I would expect him to return to the NL, too.
It’s 50/50tanaka comes back ad Sheffield,Adams, and you cc then you have your rotation next yr
Rebuilding year and they made it to the ALCS. They got to renew his contract
Interesting to say Girardi “left no question” that he wants to come back, when ive gotten just the opposite feel from articles posted from the NY Post and ESPN. After the loss yesterday, Girardi was very non committal about returning. and Cashman did not give a direct answer about wanting Girardi back.
I for one, would love for Girardi to come back and lead the team for at least another 4 years. He does a great job with young players (with more on the way) and this team exceeded all expectations. No reason to disrupt that.
As for potential trades, The yankees should definitely look to deal Ells even if it means eating a large chunk of that contract. Theres no room for him anymore with Hicks in CF. currently. and you would imagine that Clint Frazier will be ready to take over left or center from either Gardner or Hicks by mid season (if not out of Spring). Headley is another player that should be moved. not sure of what that return would look like but the yankees chemistry got much better after Todd came on. Maybe resign Todd to a 2 year / $20-$30 MM then go after Machado in the offseason or see what Adujar has to offer. Hold on to castro until Gleyber is ready (id imagine by mid season he will be up). resign CC to a 1 year deal and see what happens with Tanaka.
All in all it was a difficult loss last night but the overall a successful season. Yankees future is very very bright.
This team really should’ve been in the World series over the Astros. They were the better team and proved it by outscoring them 22-20.
Wow
They were/are a great team. If they were better, they would have won. The Astros proved that they were better though.
Astros made a great pickup in Verlander who showed he’s still a postseason ace. If that trade didn’t go through at the 0 hour, it likely would be a New York – LA series.
Verlander put the Astros over the top. He is a hungry Hall of Famer who is pitching in his prime. The Astro’s front office were able to pay 27 million a year for him, while the Yanks couldn’t because they are paying A-Rod, CC, and Ellsbury this year. That might win them the world series.
It should actually be a Twins/Nationals World Series. The twins went 32-12 while playing games at night with one of their 1-2-3 hitter getting on base. The nationals were undefeated this season when Koda Glover came out of the bullpen with a guy on first and two outs. These stats prove they are the better teams
Those are random coincidental stats… if the Padres were undefeated when Wil Myers has a multi hit game, does that mean they’re a better team than the Dodgers who have 4 losses when Corey Seager has a multi hit game? I’m sensing an illusory correlation here
What you’re (not) sensing is sarcasm.
Nice
Um, no. Outscoring by a total of 2 runs in 7 games isn’t a large sample At All.
It was a coin flip and the Astros came on top and they deserve to be in the WS.
I think the Astros and Yankees were very evenly matched, proved out by a series where they both pitched well, struggled to score runs, and that was decided essentially by a coin-flip game 7. I think the Yankees were better than the Indians despite similar circumstances, though perhaps only because of Kluber’s ineffectiveness.
But I also don’t think the Astros were that much better than the Yankees. I think the Yankees were a lot better than many expected them to be, given their regular season performance.
The really remarkable thing is the Yankees not only weren’t expected to be here in 2017 (as many have noted) but they really weren’t expected to be here even in 2018. They were predicted to perhaps contend in 2018, before having a playoff-ready team in 2019, when the biggest of their prospects would have been up and running.
The downside to being so close to a WS appearance this season is that expectations have suddenly gone sky high. Not only will they be expected to contend next year, they’ll be expected and predicted by analysts to win the division and some may even pick them to win a title.
This isn’t Xbox. Not sure you understand baseball.
Maybe next year they will just start playing one 63 inning game. Until then, that overall score means literally nothing.
Run differential means nothing in a single series, especially when it’s such a small differential. Houston was the better team in a pretty evenly matched and very exciting series.
biggest priority is to get another big bat, JD Martinez?
No room for him or a need really. Outfield is stacked with Judge, Gardner, Hicks, and Ells. Keep in mind Clint Frazier will probably take over in either LF or CF by 2018’s end
The Yankees have to watch the luxury tax limit. No knock on Frazier or CC or anyone else who wants to come back, but for one season they have to play the offseason as if they were a small to mid market team. That doesn’t jive with handing out $25-$30M combined to those two, This was a terrific season, new talent and energy, even with a disappointing ending. Keep going with the transformation
A-rod off the books, CC’s big money off the books, Tanaka’s big money maybe off the books. They’ll be fine
Ellsbury has been productive for them (despite what people say) but I would move him to lessen logjam/open roster spot, plus it’s just getting stale with him. Eat 2/3 salary, get one or two decent far away prospects.
Frazier was good for them but doesn’t make sense to give him more than 1-2 years and he will command 3-4. They need a few guys like this, good veteran guys but ones young enough to still play, like early thirties instead of the Holliday Beltran types they have been going for, and shorter deals rather than seven for Ellsbury, five for McCann.
McCutchen, Kinsler…there aren’t really any free agents of the sort of player I’m talking about, Frazier maybe fits the mold the best but will command too many years, anyone good enough and young enough really would command too much money/years. CC works, though I think they will need to go two years and not sure if they will/should.
Holiday come back to the Cardinals as a 1B!!
So many ridiculous hot takes in one thread.
That’s how it can get on here.
Trade Castro he’s defense sucks get some prospects and bring Torres.
Trade Elsbury get some prospects eat must of the money and bring Frazier.
Do not bring back Holliday = he’s too old
Do not bring back Frazier = I don’t like he’s swing
Sign alex Cobb = won’t cost a lot of money
Sign CC = 1 year 10mil + incentives
Bullpen = leave it alone including betances.. he’s too good to look this bad, we need him.
Yankees will win the division And be the champions next year… simple as that!!!
This isn’t fantasyland. Any prospects you get for Ellsbury will be long shot A ball guys, or older prospects a team has lost faith in. Cobb will have multiple suitors. You won’t get him as cheap as you believe. Trading Castro and assuming Torres will get it done isn’t a wise move. Prospects are just that. Castro is proven, and allows Torres to get some reps during the Spring to test his body.
Castro is an all star 2nd baseman heist going anywhere. We can’t give Ellsbury away because of his contract, Holliday is a great clubhouse guy and was solid until he got sick. Frazier is clutch and great for these young guys. Cobb will cost 3-4 50-60 mill. Cc will be back. Torres will be up as well as Andujar, Frazier better start hitting or he will get passed by Florial
You don’t want to bring Frazier back, and your only reason for doing so is because you don’t like his swing?
There’s no way that Ellsbury breaks camp with the Yankees next spring. The Yankees will eat however much money it takes to move him and won’t demand anything significant in return. Gardner, Hicks, CFrazier, and Judge make up the OF to start the season although Hicks could conceivably find himself out of a job by mid-season if his second half struggles continue into next season and Billy McKinney keeps playing well.
While it would be nice to have Todd Frazier back it probably won’t happen because of his FA contract worth and the fact that he’s a corner IF/DH. Yankees like the flexibility of Torreyes and possibly Wade if he starts hitting again. Trading Headley and signing Frazier is a no go because they Yankees would probably prefer having 1 year of Headley’s contract versus multiple years of TFrazier. No need to lock in Frazier with Gleyber Torres and the possibility of signing Machado in the very near future.
Gleyber is only 20 and will probably stay in AAA and play third base until rosters expand or if injuries take their toll on the big club. If Torres can’t cut 3B then the Yankees either shift Castro to 3B in 2019 or trade him and go after Machado. As for CC, my best guess is he comes back for one year at a cheap (but not insulting) contract. I get the feeling his desire to play for NY and have a shot at the WS means more to him than money. He’s already made a ton.
Andujar
Can people stop saying to trade Castro to make room for torres. Guess what Gleyber Torres will be the 3rd basemen next year, not 2nd.
Andujar has a better chance at 3B next season. The Yanks won’t promote Torres until the 40 man roster crunch is solved. Possibly after next year’s trade deadline they could possibly bring him up.
I hope Girardi comes back, if he doesn’t It’ll be his choice, regardless of what the FO presser states. I think CC is willing to resign with the Yankees for a year, injuries, with options as long as it is not insulting and they don’t jerk him around. Another WS ring is what he wants and is about clubhouse atmosphere fans and mentor-ship. Tanaka I am absolutely indifferent about because he can be unpredictable. I don’t see T. Frazier coming back unless he really want to devalue himself. Brett Gardner is one of the most undervalued players by Yankees fans- FO. If they try and succeed to put him up 4 sale I will grumble for the 2018 season. He had 0 errors OF and consistent at bats, those 12 pitch at bats in the ALDS are not surprising if you have watched him over the years. Plus besides Ells he is the only one who can steal/run bases. Somebody has to teach the future BB that.. Can they move Headley, probably, will they? not likely he is a team guy willing to play any position. and his contract is up shortly. I see him a security/mentor for Bird, and whomever is the @3rd baseman of the future. What happens with Ronald Torreyes? I can see him @3rd or even 2nd, replacing Castro. I see him as the undervalued trade Didi was 2yrs ago. I don’t see the Yankees investing in any LT player contracts until the Rookies are older. The only exception is pitching. I actually think they should trade Gray- he isn’t performing well in the BX.
I said it before, I’ll say it again. Yankees should have claimed Verlander on waivers back in August. He wiped the floor with them the last time he faced them in the postseason and they didn’t fare much better this year. If they had claimed him, they’d be in the World Series right now.
Apparently you forgot about the Detroit incident? Players are not just their WAR. Creating a WS team is not just about what’s on paper. I was glad we didn’t chase SALE.
What Detroit incident? And I know players are not just their WAR. I also know that the Yankees had the chance to stop the Astros from acquiring a guy who they had struggled against in the past, would go on to be the ALCS MVP that year and be the difference between the Yankees making it to the World Series and not making it, but they didn’t stop them.
He’s referring to the Sale “jersey” incident. Ancient news, but occurred when White Sox were playing the Detroit Tigers.
The Detroit/ Yankees brawl with Verlander was what I (she) was referring. This was the culmination of HBP over the summer. There were rumors of NYY .chasing Sale in the Off Season ’16. Sale’s jersey incident is a small portion of some of his behavior which I am sure we have not heard about all of his past antics. .
How does Chris Sale have anything to do with the Yankees claiming Verlander as a means of blocking the Astros from getting him? He doesn’t. Keep your replies relevant.
Sorry about that. I thought since your avatar was a (He) despite being Didi, you were a He. Flawed logic I know.
Anyways, I thought your point was WAR isn’t the be all end all and you have to take everything into account such as off-field incidents. When you said glad you didn’t get SALE, I assumed Jersey incident was the “Detroit incident” you alluded to, since he did it when White Sox were playing the Detroit Tigers. Sorry.
NO worries. Didi is my favorite player. Yes you did get my point about off field or sometimes on field behavior. I apologize to West Coast Ryan for not being more explicit. I assume you watch video of the 8 person suspension/fine that happened between Tiger/yankees on Aug 24th. It started with a series of HBP earlier in the summer.- with comments made to the beat press about responsibility to continue throwing at batters.
By that logic they had more of an incentive to claim Verlander. To hurt the Tigers by blocking them from making a trade they liked. The popular opinion on here seems to be that if Verlander had been claimed, he would have stayed where he was, either because the Tigers would have been unwilling to just let him leave or wouldn’t have been able to convince him to waive his NTC within the 48-hour waiver window. Yankees claim him and they don’t have to face him in the ALCS and most likely come out on top.
Verlander cleared revocable trade waivers on August 4th. He was traded to the Astros before Midnight on August 31st to allow him to play in the post season. Trying to find the logic in how Yankees could block this trade. Verlander didn’t win Game 7. He is over hyped against the Yankees prior to the post season 2016-2017 he only had 28 plate appearances against the yankees 14(half) from Todd frazier and none for the rookies. He is an accomplished pitcher who cozies up to umpires. The rest is media hype.
Easy. If the Yankees had claimed Verlander when he was placed on revocable trade waivers, the Astros would not have had the right to trade for Verlander. They had plenty of incentive to do this. It’s not like they fared so well the last time they had to face him in the postseason. If the Astros didn’t have Verlander the Yankees would have gotten to face someone else in game 2. If they could get to that pitcher, there would have been no games 6 and 7 for the Astros to win. The Yankees would have clinched in game 5 and they would be in the World Series.
Sanchez – C
Bird – 1B
Castro – 2B
Torres – 3B
Didi – SS
Frazier – LF
Hicks – CF
Judge – RF
Otani- DH
Romine – C/1B
Ellsbury – OF
Austin – 1B/OF
Torreyes – 2B/3B/SS
Headley 3B/1B
Severino
Gray
Tanaka [garcia or lynn]
Otani
Montgomery
Chapman
Betances
Robertson
Kahnle
Warren
Green
Smith
Where’s Gardner?
Otani can’t be counted on to DH,Torres is getting reps at 2B…
If you think Otani would DH over Headley that’s just crazy.
They’ll resign CC and maybe bring Todd Frazier back. Where’s Wade? They’re not resigning Garcia and signing Lynn is just nuts…
Otani is not going to be a Yankee no thank you C Frazier might not be ready. Andujar is the future at 3b. They are putting torresat 2nd whenever he is ready and Castro to 3 rd and he can fill in 3rd, ss, 2nd if Andujar comes up early. Also he can DH C Frazier better be better than florial in spring or he may stay down.And gardy will be the LF next yr
I agree on Gardner.
Florial is far from ready.
Todd Frazier is the best ready option at 3B and loved his time,so he’d probably be easy to sign for two years…he can always DH
Castro is bad enough on defense at 2B no way they trust him at 3B…Betances and Castro+ could be packaged for pitching.
What do you have against Otani?
Andujar is a worst 3rd basemen then Headley. Torres will be the 3rd basemen.
Needs more Balboni
I do think they need to try to move Headley and Ellsbury. It will b difficult. But not impossible. They can afford to eat some salary on ells. And there r just not enough good 3b dudes out there to not think u can’t trade Headley. I can’t c them trading Gardner or Betances. 2 home grown guys and Betances just had a slump. He will get right again. It happens. He’s had a big work load the last couple years. With the relief corps they have he will get more rest.
I think a Betances trade might be the move to make due to the dispute between Betances & his Agents and Levine during arbitration last year. I think he will rebound and get his mechanics in order but if you suspect that a player is not going to resign with your club you might as well try to flip him while you still have him. I doubt Gardner gets moved too. Trading a life-long Yankee veteran and a fan favorite would rattle the fans and potentially have a negative outcome on the team’s morale. But somebody like Jacoby or T. Frazier would be easier to move/let go of since they have only been there for so long.
First thing the Yankees need to do is try to convince Otani that NY is where he wants to be. Then re-sign CC. If Tanaka opts out the Yankees should offer but not overspend. If all goes well in that area the Yankees should seriously consider a 6-man rotation consisting of Severino, Gray, CC, Tanaka, Ohtani, and Montgomery.
I would try to move a package that consists of Betances and Ellsbury. I would try to get either a package of prospects or a 3B (nothing crazy like Donaldson or Machado but just a decent enough bat until we wait for Torres. So maybe someone similar to Martin Prado or Suarez’s bat and a mid tier prospect. Eat a lot of Ellsbury’s contract if they have to. Ideally, I would want to let T. Frazier walk and keep Headly (barring the idea that T. Frazier wants more than 2 years, if he is cheap and doesnt want long term then bring him back) until Torres has proven himself to be MLB ready, since its now under question after missing most of the season due to TJ surgery. Keep Gardener and try to get Matt Holliday for cheap for his positive influence on Judge and the potential that Matt is able to replicate his 1st half performance and not his 2nd half.
The 1st half lineup should look like this:
1. Gardner LF
2. Judge RF
3. Sanchez C
4. Gregorius SS
5. Bird 1B
6. Castro 2B
7. Hicks 3B
8. Otani/Toe/Headly/Holliday DH
9. Headly/Toe 3B
With a bench of: Toe, Holliday, Romine, T Austin, C. Frazier
The lineup should be subject to change based off Torres’ spring performance. If really good, he should start 3B sometime in the 1st half of the season. If not, he should start the season in AAA and then go from there. The second half lineup is also dependent upon how everyone performs. So if Gardner has a career year, then C. Frazier sits. If Gardner lost his touch then C. Frazier plays, etc.
Now, if Otani doesnt sign with NY, NY should just run a 5 man rotation and trade for a bat (Betances and Ellsbury). Also, im unsure about Justin Wilsons contact, if it is up or not, but i think the Yankees should try to reunite with him since his recent performance could make him a cheaper acquisition and NY needs one left handed arm in the pen.
If the starting pitchers in the minors seem to be MLB ready i would say call them up over Montgomery (even though Montgomery’s performance is going to be the real dictator here).
There isnt much room to make changes with this lineup except for 3B, LF, and DH, which all have decent suitors and/or prospects getting close to so making a huge trade for those spots doesnt make sense unless you trade the people in the spot/coming up soon for that spot.
I would seriously avoid gearing up for Harper. I would rather go for a big trade for Trout. Harper is good but he is going to be asking for too much for the level of play he brings. If the Yankees could make a trade for Trout that consists of Betances, Ellsbury, and a handful of our top prospects (Florial, C. Frazier, etc.) i would be estastic. But those are more far fetched from reality than trading Betances and Ellsbury for prospects or a stop gap 3B.
The thing the Yankees need most is a guy who consistently hits for average. Doesnt need much pop but needs a good AVG and OBP. It was their most glaring flaw in the games they lost throughout the season. Obviously someone like Trout would be ideal, but someone like Yelich or Ozuna would be more than enough (i mention these two as they are on a club that is likely to be sellers this winter).
So TL;DR, Lots of opportunities for the Yankees to acquire great players but not a whole lot of room for them to fit. I think the lineup stays relatively the same and relys on farm hands to be the the new big names. We’ll see i suppose.
oops, said hicks at 3B. meant CF.
also, if Tanaka and Otani dont end up on the roster then the rotation can be bolstered by people like Adams or Sheffield