OCT. 30, 3:41pm: The Phillies have announced that Kapler will indeed take over the dugout.
7:30am: Kapler is indeed the Phillies’ choice to be their next manager, reports MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki. He impressed in a second interview this past Friday, and an announcement could come on Monday, according to Zolecki.
OCT. 29: The Phillies look to be close to naming Gabe Kapler as their next manager, as Jon Heyman and Robert Murray of FanRag Sports report that “barring something unforeseen,” Kapler is the team’s choice to replace Pete Mackanin. An official announcement could come as early as Monday, or perhaps until after the World Series is over.
Kapler and Triple-A manager Dusty Wathan were known to be the finalists for the job. Former Red Sox manager John Farrell also known to be in the running if Philadelphia opted for a skipper with MLB experience. It now seems, however, that the Phillies will go in the opposite direction with Kapler, who will be joining a Major League staff for the first time in any capacity. He has worked as the Dodgers director of player development for the last three years, and Kapler’s dugout resume consists of managing the Red Sox A-ball affiliate in 2007 and coaching on Team Israel’s staff during the qualifying rounds of the 2013 World Baseball Classic.
Despite this relative lack of experience, however, Kapler has long been cited as a potential manager of the future, even dating back to his playing career as an outfielder with the Red Sox, Rangers, Rays, Tigers, Rockies and Brewers from 1998-2010 (he took a year off for that Single-A managing stint). Kapler was seen as a strong contender for the Dodgers’ last managerial vacancy, and it was even seen as something of an upset when the team instead hired Dave Roberts.
The Phillies were thought to be looking to hire a more analytically-minded manager, and Kapler would certainly fit that description. Two years ago, ESPN.com’s Mark Saxon profiled Kapler’s full embrace of statistical analysis, physical and mental training methods in helping mold the Dodgers’ minor leaguers. Kapler, 42, would be the latest in the game’s trend of younger managers not far removed from their playing days and without much formal managerial or even coaching experience.
Assuming the hire is official, Kapler will take over a young Phillies team still in the midst of a rebuild, but already with some intriguing building block pieces on the roster. Phils GM Matt Klentak surprised many when he removed Mackanin from the manager’s job to a front office position last month, though since Mackanin was already in place when Klentak became GM in October 2015, Klentak has now firmly put his own stamp on the manager’s job. Klentak and Kapler have a past relationship, as Klentak was working in the Rockies’ baseball operations department in 2003 when Kapler was playing for the team.
Phoenixdownyjr
Phillie’s automatically win manager with the best six pack if it’s confirmed.
WalkersDayOff
Only because Dusty Baker is out of work.
wrigleywannabe
That is a different kind of six pack..
mcdusty31
Nooooooooo!!!!
– Dodgers Fan
xabial
And Just like that…
Farrell strikes out?
dwhitt3
Did you really think John Farrell was gonna get another managerial job that fast?
bradthebluefish
Just more evidence that firing Farrell was the right move.
outinleftfield
No. The only possible evidence that it was the right move will be more than 93 wins and going into the ALCS or WS.
layventsky
He’ll probably end up as some team’s bench coach in a year or two. Fired managers have a way of getting back into managing.
lesterdnightfly
“Welcome back”, Gabe…
ABCD
Signed, Epstein’s mother
hawaiiphil
Lol
John Murray
Here’s hoping he doesn’t trade his dreams for his ticket out…
dellarocco72
A shame Ron Palillo is no longer with us. Would be a perfect bench coach.
Gret1wg
Yeah! Sun your boys, increase testosterone levels, what a j—ke!!!!!!
mafiaso316
Good,,always liked him as a player also. Wish him luck
Brixton
Good
parman4818
I was wanting the Rangers to get rid of Banister and hire Kapler or David Ross. Great hire by the Phillies good luck Gabe
vinscully16
Phillies are the most recent organization with a strong managerial hire.
Gret1wg
Right! has no track record & a couple of law suits because he couldn’t manage his staff, sounds like a great hire!
Joe Kerr
Where are all the people eating crow at that guaranteed Wathan would be hired?
Pax vobiscum
That guy is digging up more dirt on his archenemy John Middleton.
Coast1
I think there were another one or two besides him.
eilexx
Right here. I’ll chump on my crow. I’m absolutely stunned that it was someone other than Wathan. Hopefully Kapler becomes a good manager.
Coast1
Matt Klentak didn’t hire Wathan. Neither did Andy MacPhail. I don’t see what would’ve made him their choice. Wathan is the son of a baseball player, not the analytics guy they wanted.
eilexx
I understand that neither of those two hired Wathan, but I wasn’t convinced they would be allowed to hire outside ownership’s comfort zone either. I’m glad they were permitted to do so, and hope that Kapler does a good job.
Coast1
The Buck brothers and Claire Betts passed away and Bill Giles sold his shares. The ownership has changed. This ownership hired Andy MacPhail, who had no ties to the organization. He hired Matt Klentak. Klentak had ties to MacPhail, but none to the organization. Klentak has let some long time front office employees go and replaced them from people outside the organization. The team eschewed analytics under David Montgomery, but John Middleton expressed they wanted a greater emphasis on them. You don’t find that with people hired who have little experience with analytics.
eilexx
And I’m saying I’m pleasantly surprised that there truly seems to be a change in the way they are doing business. Is it so wrong to wait for evidence before believing it?
Dark_Knight
Thankful he wasn’t. Nothing against the guy but he was the safest choice. This is a risk worth taking IMO
Coast1
Wathan would’ve been the traditional choice, but Klentak was brought in because the owners wanted the team to use analytics. Hiring someone who has more of a background with analytics than someone like Wathan should be the expected choice.
Hiring Wathan, or Farrell, could seem like the wimp out move for someone who is afraid to go all in with the philosophy they’ve been preaching. Why hire Klentak if he’s going to hire the guy Amaro or Gillick would?
Thronson5
Looking like Girardi isn’t gonna find a job; maybe he still will but doesn’t look likely which completely shocks me because he is a good manager.
redsox 1976
Year off for Giraldi!! Meabe Espn or Mlb analist!or even Yes network
greatdaysports
He’s got more class than working for espn.
Thronson5
Think you’re right, he will probably end up being a analyst or something like that for one of the networks. Would like to see him get a shot this year with another team but if not for sure next year. He doesn’t get the credit he deserves, he makes mistakes like every manager does but he admits it when he does unlike like most managers and everything he does he does with intensity and passion and I love that. I wonder if Mattingly ends up only managing one more year and the Jeter and the Marlins bring Girardi in to manage next year.
thegreatcerealfamine
So David Ross,Aaron Boone,and Mark Teixeira have no class?
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
He’d be a great fit for MLB network. Replace chris Russo.
jleve618
The mad dog is the only guy on the network I like.
eilexx
An issue could be compensation. Girardi is used to making millions as Yanks’ manager, and a lot of the teams replacing their manager’s are doing so with younger, first-time guys. How of those guys are even making a fraction of what Girardi was? Kapler, at best, is getting what? $750K? Girardi was making $4M.
morebreakdowns
Maybe a front office job in Miami, he has a home in Florida, and obviously has ties to the organization on multiple fronts. Then he can look to manage next year or if he likes it stay on board.
Pax vobiscum
If true, Klentak is starting the offseason on a solid note.
Dark_Knight
Love this.
leftykoufax
A solid move for the Phillies. Best of luck to Kapler!
Phillies2017
Very pleased!
Obviously would have loved to have seen Joe, but can’t be upset about Kapler. Very very good move!
SundownDevil
Kapler is RIPPED physically as well, so at least there won’t be room for out-of-shape fatties or tubs of lard on the Phillies. Get everybody into shape and see where they go in 2018!
Jimcarlo Slaton
What criteria sets apart a fatty from a tub of lard?
ABCD
Rene Rivera is a fatty. Pablo Sandoval fluctuates between fatty and a tub of lard. Jumbo Diaz is a tub of lard. Terry Forster is a tub of goo.
Jimcarlo Slaton
Rene Rivera is a catcher, though.. It goes catcher, fatty, tub of lard and tub of goo… I cringe as announcers continue to say Sabathia is 300 lbs..
At 6’6”-6’7”, he closer to 400 than 300.
I’m kind of fat, myself..
Dusty Wathan’s dad was captain of the Royals in their 1980 appearance on Family Feud.
puigpower
LOL thanks I needed that
Connorsoxfan
Nah it’s catcher, fatty, tub of lard, and then Pablo in his own special category
ericl
Watham developed a lot of the young players the Phillies have in the minors. He has won with those players in the minors. He knows how to get the best out of those players. That is why I thought he would be the one hired. It seemed to make perfect sense. I don’t know what kind of manager Kapler will make, but he won’t be successful if he relies solely on analytics. Sometimes you have to go with your gut. Sometimes what the stats tell you to do backfires. Heart, hustle & chemistry also matter. He needs to be flexible and not just rely on the numbers. If AJ Hinch would have relied solely on analytics, he never would have kept Peacock in as long as he did in game 2 of the World Series. He wouldn’t have kept McCullers in during game 7 against the Yankees. He went against the numbers & used what he was seeing. Kapler will have to do the same if he wants to be successful.
stubby66
I have to agree these guys can use analytics but at times know when to go with there gut. I like the Kepler hire but maybe he would be served well by making Wathan his bench coach and as far as Farrell he should go back to what he knows pitching coach. I personally feel his biggest down fall is himself. He is a God in his own mind. Think over the last couple of years he has gotten way too cocky
NotCanon
Wathan was given an excellent MiLB team (mid-to-high-tier prospects) and beat minor-league competition. That’s a point in his favor, because there are plenty of managers that don’t, and the continuity with Wathan likely didn’t hurt for several of the young players currently on the Phillies.
However, let’s not pretend Wathan is some managerial ingenue who’s able to squeeze maximum results out of whatever he’s got. The Pigs’ record this year was built almost entirely on the back of a 24-5 May, when most of the organization’s better prospects were at that level. As soon as his team started losing that competitive advantage, the team started losing as well. 14-14 in June, 15-13 in July, 11-19 in August, and they finished out 5-3 in September (all against the same team).
At the MLB level, the Phillies don’t have nearly the competitive advantage the LVIPs had over the rest of the International League. Especially the ILN, who outside of the Phillies and Yankees have some of the middling/lower-tier farms.
chound
I’m glad he gets a shot to manage! Though… I feel he’s taking the helm of the Phillies a year or two too soon. He is set up to fail while the Phillies acquire actual talent. Don’t get me wrong, they have some young guys in the system but not enough coming up soon enough to impact his efforts to turn the team around. Phillies still have some years to go for anything worthy of being managed by such a hot commodity.
thegreatcerealfamine
Great point what they have up in the most part is disappointing and the others of consequence are 2-3 years away. Most posters that are on here feel they’re equal to the 2015 Cubs…
Coast1
Matt Klentak did an analysis that showed that the Orioles went from 69 to 93 wins in 2012, the Cubs went from 73 to 97 wins in 2015, the Astros went from 70 to 86 in 2015, and Royals went from 72 to 86 in 2013. While you can’t plan to win a lot more games in one season, it happens when a team turns the corner. This year the Twins went from 59 to 85.
The current Phillies roster would have a payroll of about $39 million, but that’ll be lower if they jettison Freddy Galvis and possibly a couple of others. While the team doesn’t have enough coming up right now to win 90 games people assume they’ll pump up the payroll with good players so they don’t have the lowest payroll in the league.
Caseys Partner
Matt Klentak was hired by Andy MacPhail as an intern in Baltimore.
eilexx
I don’t think the Phillies would have fired Mackanin if they didn’t believe they were ready to turn the corner—which means giving their new manager leeway in the first couple of seasons. No one expects them to compete for a championship in 2018, but they should be better than this season. Depending on what happens next offseason (the mega FA class), 2019 is the year they should start really competing.
jorleeduf
2020, after ‘19 is the big free agent class they are prepared for
eilexx
Uh, no. It’s next year’s class…Machado, Harper, Donaldson, Kershaw, among many others. That is the class the Phillies and everybody is targeting. Not sure what 2020 class you’re talking about, unless is an implication that they are waiting for Trout…he won’t be free until after the 2020 season.
jorleeduf
My bad, I got confused. I was thinking about Kershaw and Price’s options. That being said 2019-2020 is also going to be a great class with Goldschmidt, Arenado, Altuve, Sale, Bumgarner, Eaton, Puig, Ozuna, Rendon, Betances, Bogaerts, Hamilton, and Owings just to name a few.
bigmike0424
problem is out that closed guys like Paul Goldschmidt, Nolan, Jose Altuve, Chris Sale, Bumgarner would most likely end up resigning with their teams..
NotCanon
The AAA talent is pretty light right now, but that’s because most of it was promoted into the MLB team. Hoskins, Williams, Crawford, Milner, and Alfaro were all promoted in 2017; Cesar Hernandez, Altherr, Neris, and Odubel proved that last year wasn’t a fluke; Adam Morgan, Jake Thompson, and Luis Garcia all seem to have turned the corner quite a bit.
They’re definitely hurting for starting pitching, and I think they’re at least a year or two away from being a serious division contender, but the biggest part of the “turning around” is already done. They went essentially .500 from the ASG to the end of the season, and they had the worst record in 1-run games of any team in baseball (they underperformed their pythag by 6 wins).
Caseys Partner
“They went essentially .500 from the ASG to the end of the season, and they had the worst record in 1-run games”
So fire the manager and hitting coach is the answer?
Brixton
They fired the manager because hes bad.
They didn’t fire the hitting coach, but why would anyone expect you to actually research?
Coast1
I don’t think he was fired because he was a bad manager. He was fired because they didn’t feel like he was the best man for the job going forward.
Caseys Partner
“They fired the manager because hes bad.””
Yeah? Got a link for that?
Everything I’ve read the Phillies players all loved Mackanin and everyone who watched the games saw they played their hearts out for him.
Yes the Phillies fired Matt Stairs and the entire coaching staff. Klentak said that explicitly, “The new manager will name his chosen staff””
Yeah, I read that everywhere.
vlad4hof
Its common practice everywhere that a coaching staff goes when a manager’s fired or not rehired. You know this, c’mon. That said, it is a shame they took so long to hire someone because it meant guys like Stairs and Mike Maddux found new jobs in the interim.
Coast1
That’s really not a big deal. There’s no reason to think that Kapler wanted either of them. He probably has had coaches in mind since he interviewed with the Dodgers and he’ll likely get them. The coaches need to work well with their boss.
And there aren’t a limited number of good pitching and hitting coaches. Sometimes teams hire ones that aren’t good but there are plenty of good ones in the minor leagues.
NotCanon
No, they literally did not fire them. Their contracts were up at the end of the year, and the coaches were told that they weren’t going to have their positions guaranteed.
You can’t have it both ways: either the Phillies are nepotistic to a fault, and only bring in people they’ve worked with in the past, or they’re being arbitrary in their perceived need to bring in external hires. It’s literally impossible for both to be true.
Brixton
Getting hired and departing to free agency are different things. Getting fire means your not welcomed back. If Kapler wanted to keep Stairs, then Stairs would have still been here if he didn’t get hired elsewhere already.
As for Mackanin, having guys play hard for you doesn’t mean swat if you’re miss managing your pitching staff, can’t straight out Odubel Herrera after 2.5 years, and have a key part of your rebuild flounder under Mackanin. Franco was great under Sandberg.
Solaris601
Looks like Farrell and Girardi will be sitting out 2018 by default. Next year at this time they should be looking at managerial openings in Atlanta, Cincinnati, Toronto, and maybe Miami. Can’t see either one being a mid-season interim replacement.
WeggieJackson44
Mike Scioscia’s contract is up after 2018 as well. Don’t know the relationship between Girardi and Eppler while with the Yankees but seems like Girardi could be a nice fit if Scioscia hangs it up after 2018
Michael Birks
Farrell is at least getting paid in 2018
TennVol
Farrell will never manage in Toronto again. Ever. He burned that bridge when he left for the Red Sox.
ray_derek
Because the ex-player Ryne Sandberg hire went so well.
Brixton
like every manager is an ex-player at some level, including Charlie Manuel, Joe Maddon, Bud Black, Joe Girard, etc
ray_derek
Agreed, but you’d think philly would go a different direction considering getting burned on that before. Sandberg was a disaster.
Coast1
Every single Major League manager in the game today played either minor league or Major League baseball. I can only think of one who didn’t, Dan Jennings, although he tried out for the Yankees. If the Phillies hired someone who never played they’d be going in a different direction than almost every team ever.
Caseys Partner
“Everyone can feel the Phillies sudden rushed announcement coming today to end the outcry from the fan base to hire Joe Girardi. If it isn’t today then prepare for the odd weekend announcement during the Series.””
Wow!
They held off until Monday. Bill Giles and John Middleton are strict followers of what the Commissioners Office wants and they don’t like announcements during the WS. Today’s an off day so…….
NotCanon
What “outcry from the fan base to hire Joe Girardi” are you imagining required ending? Howard Eskin’s?
Coast1
I think he means his outcry. The Phillies have been criticized for taking so long in finding a manager, as the other teams have all been filling their positions. The Mets hired someone the Phillies interviewed. Now they’re rushing it.
I doubt the Phillies announce Kapler is their manager today. It’s 1::15 eastern and they haven’t announced a press conference yet.
NotCanon
Criticized by whom? GM Meetings are in mid-November, so it’s not like they’d be struggling to get their ducks lined up before then. Plus, we’re still in-season, so it can be difficult to make announcements.
If this were an internal promote, like Wathan, there’s no reason to wait, because LVIP’s season is over, and so is the Phillies’. However, I doubt the Phillies formalize their hire until after the WS, because Kapler is potentially a member of the championship team at the moment.
Coast1
I got this one wrong. I didn’t think they’d announce the new manager in a press release but MLB probably doesn’t want them to have a press conference.
bleacherbum
Where is majorflaw at? Tried to eat me alive for suggesting that Kapler could possibly be Maddon’s bench coach in CHC stating that since he had a front office role with the Dodgers that he would be taking a demotion to work on the field for someone.
Guess managing a club is taking a demotion too?
Anyways, great hire for the Phillies. A lot of people have been raving about Kapler since he retired. A lot of young talent over there, let’s see what he can do with some of it.
Joe giovengo
How did he go from welcome back kotter to managing the Phillies? Oh wait that was Gabe Kaplan lol
8791Slegna
Great for Gabe Kaplan. I used to love “Welcome Back Kotter”. Wonder if John Travolta and Laurence Hilton Jacobs will be on his staff? Maybe he’ll do a corny joke about one of his family members before the start of the game.
bigmike0424
Thought would Phillise get fined since it was announce yesterday during the world series… Much as MLB like to not have any managers hiring announce during world series if their game going, this was pretty much reported yesterday on game day for world series..
WubbaLubbaDubDub
There’s no rule against teams announcing any sort of hire during the WS.
stymeedone
Wonderful. He coached on team Israel for… Brad Ausmus. Why hire the coach when you could hire the manager he learned under? LoL
NotCanon
Because managers who learn from other managers aren’t carbon-copies of their mentors?