Red Sox second baseman Dustin Pedroia underwent surgery on his left knee today, according to Peter Abraham of the Boston Glove (via Twitter). The team has announced that the “cartilage restoration procedure” will keep Pedroia from game action for approximately seven months.
If he stays on schedule, then, it seems the best case is that the 34-year-old Pedroia will miss approximately the first two months of the 2018 season. He also required a procedure on the same joint last October. He was able to work back to health over the offseason, but suffered further injury after taking a hard slide and ended up dealing with inflammation over the course of the 2017 campaign.
Pedroia remains a key part of the Boston plans, of course. He’s slated to earn $56MM through the 2021 season under the extension he signed in the summer of 2013. It’s fair to wonder, though, whether the Sox would be best-served buttressing their infield depth for the coming season.
That being said, president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski suggests to Evan Drellich of NBC Sports Boston that a significant move won’t be needed to account for the surgery. Given the timing and existing depth options, Dombrowski says this procedure and that of lefty Eduardo Rodriguez “do not really affect [the Red Sox’] offseason plans.” Indeed, the team does have some infielders with MLB experience — Brock Holt, Deven Marrero, Tzu-Wei Lin, Josh Rutledge, and Marco Hernandez — that could conceivably fill in, though all come with questions.
Notably, too, Dombrowski says that the team is optimistic about Pedroia’s ability to return to effectiveness. And it would surely be premature to doubt a player of Pedroia’s stature and long-lauded toughness. Indeed, there’s plenty of reason to believe he can still play at a fairly high level as he reaches his mid-thirties. Even when battling through injury in 2017, Pedroia turned in a .293/.369/.392 batting line. While that’s shy of his typical output, including his work in the prior two seasons, it still represents league-average productivity with the bat. Perhaps some of the power will return with better health.
At the same time, Pedroia’s defensive and baserunning metrics have declined quite a bit of late. Though he’s still generally valued as a positive in the field, Fangraphs’ BsR measure paints him as a significantly below-average runner. In the aggregate, given his age and injury history, there’s also cause quite some uncertainty as to Pedroia’s future outlook.
Some may wonder why it took this long for the move. Dombrowski explained, though, that the surgery was accomplished as soon as possible once it was decided upon. Understandably, Pedroia first spent some time assessing his options with doctors, as it’s not a minor procedure. Sox righty Steven Wright, who’s still working back from the same thing, detailed an “excruciating” and ultimately lengthy recover in a recent conversation with WEEI.com’s Rob Bradford.
Michael Birks
Hope the muddy chicken gets well soon!
Gwynning's Anal Lover
I’m making the muddy chicken puree while reading this.
kgmkpmrgkmegrkmegrm
So, how many surgeries is this since Dombrowski said nobody would need surgery?
raffi
Lol. That was my first thought.
WFG1
No kidding! If Dombrowski keeps pulling this small market ‘need to know’ crap on the Boston fan base then it won’t be long before they run the rube out of town.
oldoak33
It’s none of the “fan base’s” business who needs what medical treatment or intervention. My Lord, fans have too much access and information as is.
On top of that it may violate HIPAA laws.
mlb1225
They have some ok internal options at 2B, with Marco Hernandez coming back next year, and Tzu-Wei Lin. If they think he’s going to be on The DL for an extended period of time after the season starts, they could resign Eduardo Nunez, or look into Howie Kendrick. Though I would sign someone like Alcides Escobar, Stephen Drew, or Darwin Barney, in case this knee injury happens again.
Michael Birks
I like the Nunez option
WFG1
Yup but would love to know what the extent of Nunez’ injury is as well before we make a substantial offer.
mlb1225
Probably should look at Nunez, finding out now he could miss April and May.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
You won’t have to worry about that. He’ll get a substantial offer elsewhere for a full-time spot.
bosoxforlife
That substantial offer should come from the Red Sox. Install him at 3rd and move Devers, not quite good enough with the leather, to 1st.
rocky7
He’ll break your heart.
roadapple
Don’t forget Michael Chavis.
bastros88
plot twist, Dombronski also needs surgery
Ejoey
How about a trade for Kinsler?
Michael Birks
They played together in college didn’t they? ASU
slider32
Yep, Peddy took Kinsler spot and caused him to leave!
Michael Birks
I know, isn’t it funny that they fought it out for shortstop in college, Kinsler went elsewhere and now they are both second baseman
stug14
Doctor says I need s backeotomy!
TheGreatTwigog
Lol
Michael Birks
They just said 7 months, so basically first of June to allow for setbacks
vinscully16
Pedroia’s decline will be precipitous.
redsoxu571
Pedroia’s production with the bat has been pretty much directly tied to his health. When healthy, he has still produced as per usual there, so there is no evidence of a “precipitous” decline, unless of course you’re predicting that his health is going to go to seed (that isn’t unreasonable, it very well might). Meanwhile, his fielding has actually continued to be very good, and any drop there almost certainly can be attributed to health issues.
vinscully16
“Will be,” future tense. Pedroia is to baseball what Wendel Clark was to hockey. The lads played hard, always, I respect the approach. But, the body can’t sustain such determination. Pedroia’s decline will be precipitous.
mike156
I asked this question about Felix Hernandez, so let me throw this one out regarding Pedroia:
Sub-HOF, borderline HOF, or solid candidate if his future career is reflective of 2017. (and reflecting further aging?) No agenda, just interested in opinions.
dynamite drop in monty
No chance
thegreatcerealfamine
Obviously sub HOF…
Michael Birks
No chance @ 2017 Numbers, but I wouldn’t count him out as to having two or three more good seasons, So I think it’s too early to tell
redsoxu571
The other people who commented here are talking out of their rears. If you go to baseballreference.com, you can check out the “Hall of Fame Statistics” near the bottom of any given player’s page, and get an OBJECTIVE look at that player’s chances.
With Pedroia, the key to his having any case would revolve around his position. HOF study makes it clear that there are different standards for different positions, which is what would give Pedroia a shot.
He falls solidly short in “black ink” and “grey ink”, but those are batting only, and don’t account for position. The “HOF monitor” places him at 102, with a “likely HOFer” a 100, and the “HOF standards” put him at 34, with an average HOFer at 50. All told, that points to Pedroia having an indisputable shot based mostly on his bat (there are only minor bonuses for position in a couple of these), though still falling short.
For more positional-specific information, Pedroia has 52.2 career WAR, with the average HOF 2Bman (20 total) putting up 69.4, his 7-year-peak WAR is 42.4 compared to 44.5 for the average HOFer, and his JAWS is 47.3 to a 56.9 average for HOFers at the position. Because the first and third ones involve longevity, Pedroia has a reasonable shot to hit right about the HOF average for his position in all three measures. That wouldn’t make him a lock, but it would make him a lock to be part of the discussion.
So if you understand how positions are evaluated with the HOF, and how valuable defense can be, Pedroia’s already locked in a peak that is HOF quality, and he just needs a handful more solid seasons to match other HOFers in overall career value as well. Intuitively, this makes sense, and his career numbers feel short at this point. And so to answer your question, he is just barely a “borderline HOFer” RIGHT NOW, but I’d bet on him still being short for sure, and I would view him as a “solid candidate if his future career is etc etc”. If he plays a number of additional years at only 0-1 WAR, though, I don’t think he’d make it.
P.S. Felix Hernandez is short of the HOF standards literally across the board. His two best arguments would be “black ink” and “7 year peak WAR”, but he is a 28 to a HOF average of 40 to the first one and a 38.4 to a HOF average of 50.3 for the second.
SundownDevil
Good thing all Hall Of Fame voters only care about the “black ink” scores on Baseball Reference. Pedey is in!
mikeyank55
Hey U-peddies defensive matrix and running game have dropped as quickly as anyone in history. You can be sentimental or realistic about the future; don’t combine them
NuckBobFutting
According to a source, Epstein is targeting position players from Boston and Miami, with Andrew Benintendi sitting atop the team’s wishlist.
bewenglandsportsss
And who exactly are the cubs trying to givr up for benintendi
NuckBobFutting
A source explained that while the scouts are not saying who the Cubs would be willing to part with, they did drop a subtle hint that Kyle Schwarber may not be the untouchable piece he was regarded as a year ago. Players like Addison Russell, Javier Baez, Albert Almora Jr, and even rookie Ian Happ may be considered in deals this offseason as well. This does not mean the Cubs are trying to trade any of those players, just that the Cubs would be willing to move one of those pieces if it nets them Andrew Benintendi.
Bruin1012
The Red Sox aren’t Trading AB unless someone just overwhelms them. Theo can wish all he wants but he isn’t get AB.
mikeyank55
Hey Bruin–you are not factoring in the Trader Dave effect. He hates young players and will trade them away for risky over the hill players with large contracts.
Bruin1012
And we get a comment from Mike the clown yup wouldn’t be the same unless we get a silly comment from you.
azcm2511
Sure…..he can have Bennie straight up for Bryant or Rizzo. the cub fans are gonna learn the hard way that Theo can build a team but sucks at sustaining it. He starts believing his own press and makes stupid moves. No chance Boston trades Benintendi.
thegreatcerealfamine
Cubs wouldn’t even trade Baez straight up for Benitendi
azcm2511
And that’s why they wont be trading for him. Cubbies love their guys….sox love theirs and both overrated them.
Bruin1012
Neither would the Red Sox not a chance they trade AB straight up for Baez.
Realtexan
Make a trade to the Rangers for Ordor.
bewenglandsportsss
Make a trade for brian dozier
bobtillman
When DD said no Red Sox would be undergoing surgery this off-season, he was referring to the concessions staff……..
Jay fan since 77
Hope he gets better quickly and is productive, even though he is a Jay killer, i still respect the hell out of Pedroia, and the Sox won’t be the same without him!
redsoxu571
I find it amusing that this article claims that Pedroia’s “defensive metrics have declined quite a bit of late”. Yes, his DRS were average or a tad worse, but they were the same in 2015, and he had a terrific 2016 in that regard. Meanwhile, his UZR/150 was only the best in baseball at the position. Yes, #1 overall. Safe to say he isn’t fielding as he did at his best, but to act as if he’s fallen off precipitously there (his baserunning is another story, that has taken a big hit in recent years) is just plain wrong.
NoobNoob
Does anyone else feel like this could be the end for Pedroia? I hope not – but 34 and coming back from this knee injury is no joke.
Caseys Partner
Mookie Betts
azcm2511
Pedroia can go away for good….he burned a lot of bridges with his lame ass response to Machado. He threw his own teammate under the bus and it wasn’t the first time he showed his ass. Re-sign Nunez and see how well Swihart looks at 2nd…..he is a good enough athlete and he won’t be taking any catching innings away from Vasquez.
thegreatcerealfamine
This post is even better then your Bryant or Rizzo for Benitendi one… Swihart lofl
azcm2511
Not very quick picking up sarcasm, are you?
slider32
I’m not a Sox fan but I would think Peddy would get more love from Sox fans.
Benklasner
Wait till next tear, move Betts back to second, sign machado and switch devers to first. Guess that keaves an opening in right…
Wally-the-green-monster
Stanton in right…obviously
redsox 1976
Rafal Devers is or 3b for years!sing Carlos Santana for first base, move Benitendi to center and trade Bradley for a pitcher then sing JD Martinez! Hanley dh
mikeyank55
Sure and you can grab the microphone and sing lead for the next Rolling Stones tour Benklasner.
The Sox are going to move Hanley back to 3B and count on Peddie to come back full strength. Trader Dave has plan B developed; trade Benne, Betts and a few others to the Tigers for Miggy. Just waiting to pull the trigger.
Bruin1012
The Red Sox aren’t moving the best defensive right fielder in baseball back to 2nd he is a right fielder now.
If the Red Sox somehow got Stanton he would be playing in left field.
If they sign JD then JD will play left field which is probably more realistic then a trade for Stanton.
xabial
According to ESPN
“…Pedroia dealt with a left knee injury all season, even after having arthroscopic surgery last October to fix a torn meniscus. He took two turns on the disabled list and played in only one game from July 28 through Sept. 1. In late July, Red Sox president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski suggested Pedroia’s injury might be chronic.”
“He has a bad knee that he’s going to have to watch and we’re going to have to watch for the rest of his career,” Dombrowski said at the time… ”
espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21154906/red-sox-second-ba…
Yankees fan here but I respect Dustin Pedroia. Get better soon, Pedroia.