Whatever one may think about athletes making social or political gestures during the National Anthem, this excellent piece from Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports on Athletics catcher Bruce Maxwell is well worth a read. The first-year big leaguer, who became the first and thus far only major-league player to join many in the NFL in taking a knee during the anthem, certainly has thought deeply about his actions and appears to be motivated by honestly-held beliefs.
Here’s more from out west:
- While the Diamondbacks will end up paying closer Fernando Rodney more than he was guaranteed before the season, that’s a good thing. As Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic explains, Rodney has already tacked on $1.25MM on top of his $2.75MM base salary. With one more appearance he’ll take home another $250K check. The purpose, says GM Mike Hazen, was to “pay him more if we leaned on him in a good season” but leave the team “more protected” if things went south. With the D-Backs slated for a Wild Card play-in, the money has proven well spent. The 40-year-old Rodney carries a less-than-inspiring 4.33 ERA, but has racked up 39 saves and has perhaps thrown better than the ERA suggests. Rodney has stranded only 59.9% of baserunners to reach against him, which likely reflects some poor fortune. He carries 10.5 K/9 and 4.3 BB/9 along with a 51.5% groundball rate on the year.
- Veteran backstop Nick Hundley says he’d like to return to the Giants, as Andrew Baggarly of the Mercury News reports. Skipper Bruce Bochy says he’ll “sit down” with the catcher about the future, noting that he expects Hundley to “have some choices” in free agency. Hundley slashed .252/.281/.434 with nine home runs in 290 plate appearances, with the on-base struggles offsetting his pop. And he doesn’t rate well as a framer. Still, the Giants seem to feel they have received good value on their $2MM investment; Baggarly documents Hundley’s work with the pitching staff and positive clubhouse presence. “I love it here,” said Hundley, adding that he “can’t imagine how much better it’d be if we were winning more games.”
I was hoping this wouldn’t jump over to mlb, kneeling during the anthem.. Baseball is about class, keep politics out of sport. NFL is a complete joke right now. He should be fined. Kneeling to protest police brutality on african americans.. If the police tell you to do something, just do it. Once they realize youve done nothing, you are let go.
Baseball is a game based upon talent, skill, and strategy. It embraces diversity in that it no longer wishes to restrict where those attributes come from, or from whom.
As a baseball fan, I support the Constitution. It allows the right to express one’s beliefs and one’s conscience. Maxwell and all those like him are guaranteed the right to to so, by law. Kneel, stand, boycott, support — it’s all your right.
But let no one take away that right.
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No, it is not their “right.” You need to research the constitution relative to private businesses legal ability to control speech and actions within its business that is not otherwise legally restricted by NLRA and various discrimination laws.
I think you missed the point….Nitpick all you want, but all I need to “research” is the First Amendment to the Constitution. It applies at the workplace – e.g., ballparks – as well as public places, and woe to those who wish to take it away.
Employees certainly do not have an unfettered right to exercise all their 1st Am. rights without retribution from employers, especially when on the clock. No doubt. But the teams/league can also certainly allow them to speak freely, as they have, and the players’ rights vis-a-vis the government remain in force.
correct, but it is not a “right” protected by the constitution as the comment indicated. Personally I hate that the leader of our country got involved and chose to call others SOB’s because of their actions. For me, I will stand and respect the flag during the national anthem for everything that it represents and those who gave their lives so that other may protest. Regardless of what Maxwell and other’s may say, I view their kneeling as disrespectful.
Granted, but I don’t believe there is anything in the Basic Agreement or the standard player contract that would allow MLB to either prevent Maxwell’s actions or discipline him for the same.
Correcting a misinterpretation of the constitution is not nitpicking; NO it does not pertain to private businesses workplaces. I am all for peaceful protests, freedom of speech, press, religion, and other protections afforded us under the constitution AND I try to understand the pain of those that are protesting.
I have not read all of the CBA or standard player agreement, but the commissioner has the power to take action in the best interest of MLB. Would be an interesting arbitration should MLB decided to discipline.
The commissioner’s powers, as written, are certainly sweeping; as a matter of practicality, your assertion that any discipline in this case would prove “an interesting arbitration” shows a laudable gift for understatement.
It is disrespectful, and if you want to protest, I have no problem, but to do it on such a big stage and have it spread to government leaders and other sports is excessive. I also don’t agree with the form of protest. The National Anthem is a sports tradition and kneeling for it is disrespectful. If you want change, you should stand up for want you believe instead of sitting down and causing feuds.
I disagree with this. No matter what these black athletes do to protest, they’ll always be shot down by others. They have sparked debate which is great in itself. People didn’t agree with what Rosa Parks or MLK did at the time either. Don’t be on the wrong side of history like so many others have been.
So do we need a “hey black people here is the proper way to protest so us white people don’t get offended” handbook?
Thank you Jeff!
You are wrong again
Lester,I spent eight years in the military & risked my life everyday for three years in Vietnam. I usually do not disagree with your comments, but man, I disagree with you on this one. Because of what all veterans have done, I don’t agree with people that kneel down during the National Anthem. I have NO problem when people stand & lock arms to protest & stand united. MAN, so many veterans have died fighting under the American Flag of our great nation. But, this isn’t a political site, so I better leave this topic alone. Thanks for at least reading this.
I did read it. I commend your service in support of our nation’s fundamental laws and tenets, which are meant for every citizen.
Here’s another veteran’s perspective:
sports.yahoo.com/97-year-old-wwii-vet-goes-viral-t…
I read what you suggested & it proves that we all have an opinion. I was wounded four times during my time in the military. When I returned home, people called us filthy names & spit at us so I have different opinions about some of these people. Some of these highly payed athletes are very similar to some of the people that I just mentioned. The veterans that I know feel the same way that I do about this situation. It is a choice, whether to sit, stand or kneel down & it is because of the veterans of this great country, that they have this choice. Thanks again, Lester & keep lighting up some of the people on this site,Brother!
Maybe these athletes have the right to do whatever,,and I also have rights..the right not to spend my money…we’ll see how long the protests last once the golden goose is threatened…..at the core of this is BLM…Black folks need to stop blaming whites for all their ills..is it the fault of whites that 70% of black children are born out-of-wedlock?.. Did white cops kill the nearly 800 murder victims in Chicago?
The beauty of the national anthem is that it’s voluntary to stand. Once the gov’t makes it mandatory it will lose all meaning. There’s not one country where it’s mandatory to stand for the anthem, that any of us would want to live in. I may not agree with a particular non violent protest, but I will fight for your right to do so. Freedom of Speech.
It is certainly within their rights to stand or not to stand…what I find scary is how many see our country as oppressive…I lived through the sixties and this is much scarier…I see another civil war coming. I wish someone would spell out exactly what they find unsettling about Trump…I mean everything he represents seems like common sense to me…..welcome immigrants..LEGAL immigrants..put America first..bring the jobs back from China…..
First of all , if you think that last sentence is true, you are living off the grid, in a fairy land, or both. You need to read the Yahoo article, then perhaps you would not have such a yahoo response.
Yahoo YAHOO?? Are we talking about yahoo article lmao
If you were supposed to do everything the police tell you the 4th amendment wouldn’t exist.
Wow now that’s a hot take.
Except the situations where some people aren’t just let go after doing nothing. You know, the guts of the debate to begin with.
Opinions carry no weight if they aren’t bothered to be informed, so..next.
Do you really think it is that easy for black men to be treated fairly by police? I’m going to guess with certainty that I know your race and your political affiliation. Maybe you don’t like it but stopping someone from protesting, because you don’t like how/what they are protesting, is probably one of the first steps on way to fascist government. But that makes sense from someone who I bet voted for this current lunacy/administration.
So Aoe3, you basically just parroted the president. You’re entitled to your beliefs on the issue, but be certain they’re yours and be certain they’re well thought out before you espouse them in public fora such as mlbtr. And you’ve yet to deal with the police in your life, so speak only to what you know.
Here comes the…he’s doesn’t support the troops,Athletes should play the game and stay out of politics,he has no respect for the flag or country,and so on.
I just wish somebody said keep reality stars out of politics.
Ronald Reagan did it before trump did.
You know very little, Cheerios as proven over & over again.
Since the post doesn’t have any opinion,just what the news on different sides has shown. Therefore your post makes absolutely no sense and you should definitely learn comprehension. You’re definitely a class act…lol
all about a class act, Cheerios. You need to go back & read most of your comments before criticizing someone else.
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As long as he kneels, I will root against him and the organization that lets him do this.
Read the story, and then offer an ill-thought-out, knee-jerk reaction.
Just curious, does St Croix have the right to his opinion as much as Maxwell, or Passan’s editorial?
Yes–but again, opinions based on knowledge and research and fact are never bad things.
“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’ ” — Isaac Asimov
agreed, but then who becomes the judge of whether’s someone’s knowledge and fact pass the test? A slippery slope that our President has taken a step upon.
There is no “test.” Not to vote, to participate in society, to rant on the Internet. It is simply incumbent on people to educate themselves to make the most informed decisions they can. That is what democracy and good citizenship are about.
Robespierre, Lenin & Stalin, were also ‘intellectuals’. Ignorance indeed.
And just like I respect his right to kneel, I will respect your right to root against the team. It’s called choice.
Good for Maxwell and anyone who joins him. It is a peaceful protest and not hurting anyone. If you disagree and wish to boycott sports then that is your peaceful protest and I hope nobody tries to take that right away from you.
Boycotting will kinda kill paychecks, ratings, attendance, etc.
Maxwell plays in Oakland…ratings and attendance are already “killed.” 🙂
Oakland cheered him yesterday, and the Front Office has no problem with it.
But it doesn’t physically hurt anybody. Hence, peaceful protest.
I will take kneeling during the anthem, over the drive by shooting of a police officer, as a form of protest, any day of the week.
Just the more reason to watch Oakland games
his is happening right now Mendoza, in the NFL as reported by a major network that I won’t mention right now.
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So you support being disrespectful. That is the problem with the world today, a huge large dose of disrespect everywhere you look.
Including on your part for minorities trying to call attention to societal problems.
No, because I don’t disrespect the national anthem or the flag, which is exactly what these so called ‘athletes’ are doing. You want to protest, do it somewhere else.
the irony in all of this is people are upset with a player kneeling before the anthem but support nazis and white supremacist for their free speech use. If Trump said nothing last week this would not be a issue and the kneeling would be dying down but Trump had to open his mouth up. A leader is suppose to unite the country not divide it more and more like Trump continues to do. Instead of the media focusing on who kneel or stands lets focus on more important things like helping out Puerto Rico after the hurricane.
People, for the most part, only defend freedom of speech when the words being said are parallel to their own beliefs.
That is true they only want things that support their opinion to be heard. If somebody disagrees with Maxwell that is fine and that is their right. There are much more important things going on in America then who stands or kneels.
Disregarding his initial April catastrophe, Rodney has been absolutely superb. From May on he posted an ERA under 2.50 and a WHIP under 1.00. He has shown this almost bizarre level of bipolar performance so many times in
his career. Really confounding. Remember that first year with the Rays? Following his career trajectory, that historic year makes no real sense at all. The oddity has always been compelling to me.
Rodney is a real hit-or-miss guy. After 2012, he had 2 good years with The Rays, and Mariners, then in 2015, he did bad with Seattle, but when he got dealt to The Cubs the same year, he had given up just 1 earned run in 12 innings. The next year with The Padres, he looked on track to be better than his 2012 self, but when he got traded to The Marlins, he gave up 24 home runs across 36.2 innings. And like you stated before, he had a horrible April, but after May, he’s looked really good.
On an alternative note, less inane kneeling discussion and more baseball talk, please.
Did you read the article? You may not agree with his form of protest, and I think that’s a perfectly acceptable opinion to hold, but “excrement”, Maxwell is certainly not.
That comment was deleted, for the reason you suggested. Glad to see everyone else keeping their opinions civil.
It’s probably not very easy to find “excrement” used in an opinion that would be considered civil…although it is a fancy substitute for what most of us call it
I think more importantly then the act of him kneeling is why would baseball want any part of this. I get that you can’t and most Americans don’t want to eliminate free speech, but kneeling for the anthem has turned out to be very bad for the NFL.
Has it been bad though ? Record viewership over the weekend. Players and owners United for once with a common adversary. Everybody talking about the NFL. It’ll be interesting to see what happens in the coming weeks.
Exactly gmenfan the NFL was teflon on this over he last 3-4 days. Last night Jerry Jones linked arms and kneeled with the whole Cowboys team..an owner that is chided about many things came out smelling like a rose. This whole thing was blown up by..well we all know.
Why don’t we give it more than a year (in the case of Kaepernick) or a week (in this latest flareup) before we decide whether something is “bad for the NFL.” Plenty of people, maybe even most, looked at emancipation or the civil rights era early on and said “this has turned out to be very bad for X.” History and progress are on the side of social justice, whether people like it or not.
You just compared a professional athlete making millions kneeling during the national anthem to the civil rights movement AND the emancipation proclamation??? I think I’m having a stroke…what is happening to people in 2017 to become this.
FWIW, Maxwell earns the league minimum only for whatever time he’s in the majors. He has a long way to go before he’ll earn millions, let alone be assured of doing so for any length of time. And he may never get there.
I don’t think this really matters much — and I don’t think the prior commenter was making quite the comparison you suggest — but it’s only fair to give the full context.
While just about any black athlete making millions can surely tell you about being stopped several times by police for simply DWB, they’re not doing these protests for themselves but for others who don’t have their megaphone. Your criticism is another way that people are twisting these protests to suit their biases, and it’s as transparent as the day is long.
The commenter was comparing people not liking a professional athlete kneeling for the national anthem to people not liking the emancipation proclamation. First of all I’m not sure how he’d have any idea what “people” in 1863 thought or how it’s relevant to today. That aside it’s also a lazy take and absolutely an asinine hyperbolic statement to compare in any shape or form those two situations.
Like racial progress has ever been met with open arms by the dominant culture in this country. I don’t need to have been around in 1863 to recognize white supremacy and the desire to squelch racial progress.
Got it….kneeling during the national anthem equals racial progress.
Why must debaters, most of them conservative, distort opposing viewpoints so much? Kneeling is not racial progress. Calling attention to police brutality and extrajudicial assaults and killings and having society even acknowledge there’s a problem would be racial progress. Got it yet?
Just out of interest, how do you know who is a conservative and who is a liberal on this site. Sport should be sport, and it should not be used for political demonstrations of any kind. Sport should be a place where people go to enjoy the sport, not to see what overpaid athletes and so called ‘heroes’ assert their political opinions on one thing or another.
You cannot honestly believe that. Sorry to break it to you, but sport has always been political, from who was allowed to play in certain leagues, to the Olympics, to what penalties are assessed to rule-breakers, to “unwritten rules” of a sport, to attempts to limit groundbreaking skills and strategies, to who funds public or private venues, to incentives offered to get teams to stay or to move. Is that enough for you?
Not to mention that massive flag displays (sponsored by the U.S. Army!) or the playing of a national anthem or “God Bless America” at a sporting event are also political. I guess it’s only “political” political when you don’t like the stances involved, huh?
Simply repeating what you are saying is not distorting anything. You clearly have an agenda and talking points. So you are right and I am wrong. Feel better now?
Repeating something back with the intention of mocking it through ridiculous reductionism is distortion, sorry to tell you. I don’t have talking points, I’ve simply thought about these issues, apparently a little bit more than you have since you brought a butter knife to a gunfight.
@wahoomaniac Sorry to break it to you, but sport has not “always been political”. Games are games, they are for enjoyment, they are not for political protests, or are you asserting that children at school should start taking a knee when they feel like it because they saw their ‘hero’ or ‘heroes’ doing it. You just have no clue with all the BS you are carrying on with. Do you realise that when all these games were started, be it football with a round ball, NFL, baseball, cricket, basketball, tennis, the Olympic Games, and any other sport you want to mention, no one was paid, and no one brought politics into it. So no, sport has NOT “ALWAYS BEEN POLITICAL”-fact. Sport is being used for people’s political agendas now, and it is totally wrong.
Interesting…now in your opinion how have Asians and Indians surpassed whites in terms of median income and post secondary enrollment rates? In a place with a dominate racist culture controlling all non-whites through oppression and systemic racism, how was this allowed to happen?
That’s reductionist too, and putting words in my mouth. Where have I ever said that the racist culture controls all non-whites? Show me that. You can’t. because I didn’t say it. Crap arguments from you yet again.
Didn’t think you’d have much to say about an actual fact…you are more interested in convincing everyone how virtuous you are….I’m sure espousing your non-factual statements makes you feel like you are on the right side of what ever perceived issue you’ve manufactured and you are no doubt 22 years old. Life will change your viewpoints…you are confusing equality of opportunity with equality of outcome these are two very different things. Once you actually have experienced any gravity in your life you’ll begin to see it all comes down to personal choices, until then you will just call everyone dumb and a bad person that doesn’t agree with your personal opinions….Good luck with all your “gun fights” to come.
So you brought up a completely irrelevant non sequitur of a fact and tried to use it to illustrate a point that I didn’t make, and you’re upset because I didn’t address that? Are your discussions usually this meandering and non-linear in real life? I have also not argued for equality of outcomes and point out below that the belief in equal starting points and opportunities is also ignorant when good schooling, nutrition, child care, safe neighborhoods (even the right to not have to fear the police), time with parents and so on are certainly not equally distributed. Go on in your naive bliss and keep standing for that anthem. Maybe someday you’ll figure out that even the best country in the world is falling down in some respects.
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for those of you complaining about politics and baseball, don’t forget that the MLB celebrates Jackie Robinson day for a reason and we all applaud it,
I wish certain people in the dominant culture would understand that imposing their views on a protest, when people of color expressly say that “social justice is what our protest is about, not demeaning the military,” is white supremacy. Whites have historically demanded that people of color work, entertain, perform for them without being heard. Attempts to diminish such protests hark back to those eras and reduce the agency, individuality and humanity of those you seek to demean, all so you can feel better about yourself and your positions. It is racist. Only when we start to listen to each other can we move forward as a society and away from mindless nationalism.
We are hit by back-to-back-to-back hurricanes. People lost lives, their houses were affected, etc. President and players should be more focus on what is more important to our nation rather than protesting the national anthem, kneeling, whatever… C’mon people…
I would certainly hope, as a “developed” country, we are capable of giving and providing attention to, action for, and help to more than just one on-going travesty at a time..
The people had no control over preventing those storms, but hopefully we can all do our part to prevent the next social storm our country might soon face…
But, for what it’s worth, I do see, respect, and understand the point you’re attempting to get across..
You’re being downvoted because people caught up in kneelgate don’t like being told their fascination precludes them from caring about said issues. Just because they whine about this stuff doesn’t mean they don’t care about larger problems. But I ultimately agree with you in the sense that this kneeling business is hysterically unimportant. Yet whine we can, whine we will, and, seemingly, whine we must.
No one is protesting the national anthem. They are protesting during the national anthem.
For that psrticular statement, his race does not matter. What matters is the fact he is showing blatant disrespect and a great deal of ignorance.
Police brutality tends to happen more frequently to minorities, but the facts are, whether you are Caucasian, African-American, Hispanic, Mexican, or Asian, each ethnicity still experiences police brutality…
Statistics show there is a higher crime rate among African Americans, so unfortunately, what happens is ignorant people tend to make generalizations…This includes many police officers, they tend to label the majority of African Americans as typically being more dangerous, because of those statistics…Also, because they are involved in more encounters with the police, unfortunately they are the ethnic group that suffers the most frequently from police brutality…
That is where your race or ethnicity comes into play, but just because someone makes an ignorant comment about not experiencing police brutality it does not necessarily mean they are white..Actually, statistics would show, they would be more likely to be Asian.
If we all continue to jump to racial and ethnic conclusions based off of stereotypes and generalizations,then we are no better than the people we complain about…
Okay, sorry, my apologies I’m done…lol
What makes you think they are protesting only the police treatment of blacks? That is the impetus, yes, but I’m sure protesters are also opposed to police brutality against anyone. Way to twist this to suit your purposes.
Like I said, people drawing their own conclusions, without knowing the actual facts, just leads to more problems…
Not saying you, but just everyone wants to loudly voice their own opinion, yet they refuse to educate themselves on the subject they are even discussing…
Anyways, like I was saying, where did you get anything about protesting from?? I never once even mentioned anything about protesting…My comment had NOTHING to do with protesting whatsoever…nor was I trying to fit anything for my “own selfish purposes.”
If you aren’t understanding what I mean, just follow me here…Basically, I said it is stupid to think just because someone makes a comment, alluding they’ve never experienced police brutality, that one would jump to the conclusion that person must be white…
I went on to explain, I could understand the reverse of that sentiment, because statistics actually back up that…But, just because someone is white, it doesn’t automatically mean they do not experience police brutality…And just because someone hasn’t experienced police brutality, it doesn’t make them white…
Actually, I believe it is Asians that experience the least amount of police brutality in the U.S…I’m loke, 95% sure, so don’t fully quote me, I’ve gotten a couple different answers from various reports, columns, and comments…
My main complaint was basically the following:…When it comes to ethnicities racism, and police brutality, alot of the times people fail to research, recognize, and understand the facts; in doing so, we jump to our own false conclusions…Which, typically just ends up making matters worse, because we end up spreading those falsehoods as facts..
This is remarkably deep in the weeds and feels so far from the actual issues here that it seems to be of very little import to this discussion. I have seen the statistics that Asians experience very little brutality (though I think the stat I saw was about experiencing the fewest deaths per capita at the hands of police, with Native Americans at the top of the list), but it just doesn’t feel germane to this discussion. It is very meta.
But to your other point, I have no strong agenda here…It’s just highly annoying when people suggest that ONLY minorities suffer from police brutality..
That couldn’t be further from the truth..Now, they mainly are the ones that suffer from such a crime, but to suggest they are the only ones is flat out ignorant..
Furthermore, to suggest whenever someone doesn’t see police brutality as being an issue, that this “someone” HAS TO be white..That type of stupidity truly irritates me the most of all…
Well, germane or not, that is up for debate. Feel free to take it for whatever it is worth to you, although, sounds like probably not much at all…lol
Either way, you did help to demonstrate one of my points if emphasis, so for that I do say thank you…lol
It would make far more sense to look at deaths per arrest, rather than per capita..
Interesting you say Asians experience very little police brutality. Statically Asians commit a tiny fraction of violent crime. So could profiling be a reaction to a single group committing a majority of violent crime? Certainly it must be part of the equation. Or possibly police are all selectivity racist?
Wahoo, I am a full blooded tribal member here in northern Michigan. I have hair to my waist & also heavily tattooed. Talk about being harassed by the police! I am glad someone else noticed that statistic. You are well informed & stay that way to beat the crap that this world throws at good people.
And now we’re all constitutional scholars
Outstanding & funny comment, 396!
What many fail to understand is the First Amendment doesn’t mean you it’s smart to voice your political views anywhere. Just because you can do something, doesn’t make it wise, and there are countless examples of this. Well paid pro athletes of color are enjoying the privileges of playing a game in America, and there are plenty of other outlets for them to express political opinions.
The situation in Chicago, and the conditions which created it, are causing far more inequality than police misconduct has ever had. And not only have the protests been ineffective, the players are damaging their own livelihoods. Instead of embarrassing themselves, the players would have been better off by standing for the anthem, and forming a coalition using their wealth to attack this problem. And the simple reality is many players are fathering children out of wedlock, contributing to the problem of inequality.
Lecturing people of color never gets old for some people. How about listening to them for once?
How about forgetting color and instead looking at character?
Philando Castile, John Crawford III, and Tamir Rice were law-abiding African American citizens who were shot in cold blood by police officers. If you’re an Ohioan, you ought to be familiar with those last two cases. Perhaps you could educate yourself about the issues instead of throwing off smug one-liners like this one and the one below.
Tamir Rice was shot because he was going around pointing a fake gun, he removed the orange safety tip, at people making them think he was pointing a loaded gun at them.
Tamir Rice was shot because they thought he was armed. Tamir Rice is dead because of his actions.
Sad, but true.
Tamir Rice is also dead because of the quick-draw mentality of some police officers and the terrible 911 procedures in place. The caller reported that the person pointing the gun may have been a kid and the weapon may have been a toy, none of which was relayed to the officer in question, who had flunked out of the psychological portion of police training in the Independence Police Department before being hired in Cleveland. Regardless, cops give white suspects all sorts of leeway that they don’t give to Walter Scott, Eric Garner, Akai Gurley and hundreds if not thousands of other slain and beaten African Americans. Police officers took Dylann Roof to Burger King and fed him for Christ’s sake, and he had just killed nine black people. Can you possibly see why black folks are upset in this country?
You bring up cops giving leeway to white people more than black people…….wonder why cops perceive black people who committ an insanely disproportionate amount of violent crimes as more of a threat……yeah, thats really a big mystery right there. No clue why.
They didnt take dylan roof to burger king fyi. Wow. How misinformed you are. Dylan roof was given burger king because by law they must feed people in custody. No cafteria = closest place to get food LOL. Wow.
Oh btw, the cops took the BLACK beltway sniper lee boyd malvo in ALIVE and gave him a bulletproof vest LOL. So yeah, clearly white boy roof was given “special treatment” that a black mass murderer was given. White priviledge!
I see, but it’s ok for anyone that is non white to lecture others, correct?
You must have been asleep when the last 200 years of American history were taught in class.
Yes. Because so many people would pay any attention to them without this protest.
Maxwell…..a mediocre player on a last place team. Just another SJW looking for his 15 minutes of fame.
So how good of a player or team you’re on determines if your good beliefs and opinions are relevant? Gtfo with that logic
No, think their point was “motives”. As in why exactly is he protesting? Its hard to tell with bad players.
Choice A- it’ll look bad if they demote him to triple a or cut him….. cause people will be upset thinking its cause of his protests vs ability. He keeps kneeling he’s pretty much a lock to have a roster spot esp if he kneels during spring training. A’s would get backlash if he’s demoted or cut. Guaranteed.
Choice B- he actually cares.
Nobody really knows except maxwell and they’ll never be honest and say choice a.
Typical, Goat. Very typical.
It’s a simple principle. Economics
If you’re unhappy with players kneeling. Take your money elsewhere. Dont post your unhappiness on facebook or some forum about how unhappy you are they are kneeling. Instead, just dont spend your money or time supporting a franchise/team you are unhappy with.
Plenty of ways to spend your money and time in this world.
They’re allowed to voice their opinions. You’re allowed to spend your money how you want. Idk why we need all this arguing.
Who said they weren’t allowed to voice their opinions? It is not about the right to voice their opinions, it is about where they are doing it, and when. Let’s see if they go into the street and do it when no one knows who they are and whilst no one is watching. It’s unfortunate, however, there are people who do not know what the word respect means these days.
“It’s unfortunate, however, there are people who do not know what the word respect means these days.” That goes both ways, chief. Your irony would be delicious if it didn’t mask such a callous indifference to and ignorance of persistent injustice in this society.
@wahoomaniac Everyone starts at the same starting line in this world. Your world view is that everyone should be equal at the finish line, it doesn’t work that way, it never has and it never will. You have a severely distorted view of the way the world works. Furthermore, who was the last President of the USA? He was a man of colour. Is that what you call injustice? People didn’t vote for him based on his identity, race, colour or religion, they voted for him based on what they ‘thought’ he could do for the country. Identity politics did not come into it, but it sure is coming into it now, isn’t it.
Last but not least, black Americans were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the country’s 75 biggest counties – despite the fact that black Americans made up just 15 percent of the population in those places.
Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force,
Now tell me about all the marches by the black community & BLM that respect must come back into society. I’ve seen none.
People have the right to protest, and people have the right to think a particular protest is a demagoguery induced panic
People who think racism is dead and everyone starts from the same point because the last president was black. That is moronic beyond belief. We’re at this point in no small part thanks to 200 years of slavery, 100 years of Jim Crow and continuing prejudice, lack of access to capital and educational opportunities, and so on. I’ve also never argued for equality of outcome — more dishonest arguments from you. It would be nice if we could actually have equal starting points, however — decent schools and nutrition and child care and decent-paying jobs that didn’t require poor parents to take two or three jobs. Your suggestion that we all have equal starting points … that’s one of the most ignorant things I’ve ever read.
And, by the way, Sid Bream was out.
@wahoomaniac Really, your so called ‘arguments’ are absurd, and furthermore they do not contain any factual matter, why does that not surprise me. You’re asserting that someone asserted “racism is dead”. Can you tell me exactly who asserted that on this board? The last President was a black man, I did not assert “racism was dead” because he was elected as POTUS. What I am saying is that despite all your calls of ‘racism’ the majority of Americans are white and they didn’t look at what colour Obama was when they voted for him, you don’t appear to be able to process that fact. Racism will always exist, and furthermore it exists in ALL people. There are black racists, white racists, Asian racists, Arab racists, and so on. It appears you’re very ignorant, bigoted and divisive. We all have equal starting points, it is up to the individual to make themselves better, and no, it’s not ignorant at all to say this, some of the richest people in this world came from poor backgrounds.
You’re in the business of whining, and you’re in the industry of blaming others. Instead of blaming others you must first look at the reasons of the problems in your communities, lack of education, skipping school, high abortion rates, high involvement in crime and drugs, the over representation of black people in jails etc then you may have a chance in this world, until you and your cohorts in the blame game & ‘oppressed’ industry address this you will not advance any of your causes.. Last but not least there are also people from different races, eg Asian, Hispanic, Latino, that are not born into wealth, tell me why they should not be marching on the streets and whining about their predicament in life, and why are they not over represented in crime statistics. Your ignorance is not a surprise since you’re a Liberal, and Liberals never talk about facts they just blame everyone else.
“We all have equal starting points,” See you around, parrot. Your incessant repetition doesn’t make it so. Get out of your conservative talking-points bubble for once.