Mets general manager Sandy Alderson met with the media yesterday to discuss a host of topics, ranging from next year’s payroll and roster to the health of several key players. Some highlights from his comments and a bit more on the Mets to kick off Wednesday morning…
- Via Mike Puma of the New York Post, Alderson didn’t commit to matching 2017’s Opening Day payroll of roughly $155MM. As Puma notes, the Mets have will see more than $60MM come off the books with Curtis Granderson, Jay Bruce, Lucas Duda, Neil Walker, Addison Reed and Fernando Salas no longer on the roster (plus the potential buyout of Asdrubal Cabrera’s option). Per Alderson, though, the Mets’ payroll was “beyond” expected levels. “So I’m certainly not sitting here and saying, ‘OK, [the payroll] is going to be at least as high this year as it was last year,’” the GM stated, later adding that an “undetermined” portion of the money coming off the books will be reinvested into the on-field product.
- One potential area of need, on paper anyhow, looks to be behind the plate. However, Alderson strongly suggested that Travis d’Arnaud and Kevin Plawecki are still in good standing with the organization and could be the primary catching tandem in 2018 (link via Peter Botte of the New York Daily News). Alderson indicated that d’Arnaud has improved in terms of some of the “esoteric metrics” that the Mets value, though he didn’t specify in what regards. The 28-year-old d’Arnaud has had a poor season at the plate (.232/.281/.397) and has thrown out just 17 percent of attempted base thieves while turning in slightly above-average framing marks. Perhaps more interesting, though, were his comments on Plawecki. “…I think Plawecki did himself a tremendous service going to (Triple-A) Las Vegas and applying himself and recognizing that he didn’t have to simply accept a backup role going forward as a major-league catcher and that he could work toward the possibility of being an everyday guy.” Plawecki slashed .328/.375/.514 in Las Vegas this year, albeit in a very hitter-friendly environment.
- Via Newsday’s Marc Carig, Alderson also noted that the Mets may be in the market for a veteran starting pitcher to help stabilize the rotation in the wake of another injury-marred campaign for the club’s ballyhooed group of starters. A “Bartolo-type” of starter that can be relied upon for 180-plus innings would indeed seem a logical pursuit for the Mets, and the 2017-18 free agent market will have no shortage of options. Bartolo Colon himself will of course be available, as will innings eaters like John Lackey, Clayton Richard and Doug Fister, among many others.
- Alderson revealed that Michael Conforto’s timeline for a recovery from surgery to repair the posterior capsule in his left shoulder is “roughly six months,” via the Post’s Greg Joyce. That’d put him on track to be ready for Spring Training, although the uncommon nature of his injury makes an exact timeline more difficult to nail down. The GM added that doctors have given no indication that there’s a risk of Conforto needing to alter his swing upon returning: “…[T]he fact that it’s his left shoulder, the fact that it’s his back shoulder when he swings, not his throwing shoulder, according to the doctors, is a positive.”
- David Wright’s status moving forward is “uncertain at best,” Alderson stated, adding that the Mets will have to account for the lack of a definite hot corner option as they enter the offseason (via Carig). Wright, who required surgery to repair his right rotator cuff, is still owed $47MM through the end of the 2020 season. However, 75 percent of that sum is insured while Wright is on the disabled list, so the Mets will receive a sizable amount of compensation from 2018’s $20MM salary if the most recent surgery sidelines Wright for a lengthy period of time. Mike Moustakas will headline a fairly thin crop of free-agent third basemen, and A’s infielder Jed Lowrie figures to be one of several names available on the offseason trade market.
- Right-hander Rafael Montero looks to be pitching his way into the team’s 2018 plans, writes Newsday’s Steven Marcus. Since returning from a demotion to Triple-A, he’s worked to a 4.44 ERA with 8.8 K/9, 4.1 BB/9 and a 46.7 percent ground-ball rate in 77 innings. “We said we either see strikes or, you know,” said manager Terry Collins of the message given to Montero when he was last sent down to the minors. “He went down and threw strikes. And he’s come back and he’s done exactly the same thing. When you have good stuff and you throw it in the strike zone, you’re going to get outs.” Montero will be out of minor league options next season, so he’ll need to break camp with the team or else be exposed to waivers.
SimplyAmazin91
Sounds like one of the Mets young pitchers will be on the outside looking in. If they sign say Lackey and Montero joins the rotation, one of Harvey Matz Lugo and Wheeler will not make the team. Personally I’d non-tender Harvey. Unfortunately, injuries may have gotten the best of him. Time to move on.
SimplyAmazin91
Or Wheeler*
Michael 35
I’d give Wheeler another shot. He did pitch well for much of his season considering the layoff that he had over two years. Harvey is done though. I would certainly non-tender him just to save the 8 million you’d likely have to pay him in arbitration.
Kayrall
That’s assuming good health for all of their starters, something that has been quite elusive for the Mets for the better part of 2 seasons now.
sidewinder11
Seems to me like Wheeler could benefit from a move to the bullpen. You forgot to mention Thor and deGrom, however, so assuming they do sign a Lackey-type pitcher and keep Montero, there would only be 1 spot left for Harvey, Matz, Lugo and Wheelet
jbigz12
I highly doubt montero is knocking out a healthy Matz and probably not a healthy wheeler either.
sagbagels
i highly doubt there will ever be a healthy matz
nymetsking
If Montero makes the club, it doesn’t mean it’s automatically as a starter. Could be a RP available to step into the rotation for a spell if needed…. which as we’ve seen is likely.
Ruben_Tomorrow 2
Agree about Wheeler. Still think he can have a solid career, but only as a reliever. As for Harvey, unfortunately I think they need to move on. Trade him or non tender him. Either way they aren’t getting anything for him.
sagbagels
which is why everyone who clamored to trade him after 2015 playoffs are entirely justified…they could have gotten so much for him…its too bad
LongTimeFan1
Trade a then 26 year old ace with 3 remaining years of team control after the Mets went to the World Series – no way.
sagbagels
still need veterans to teach these newbs…degrom just gave up 9 runs to the phillies…need veterans to keep young pitchers honest and not get entitled
LongTimeFan1
Degrom is a veteran at this point, at 29 and also very accountable for his poor outings.
But I agree Mets need an older veteran from the outside and am glad this is in Mets plans.
sagbagels
no 10 and 5 rights, still arb eligible, not a vet imo
sagbagels
Curse of Cpmunk thanks a lot AA
MB923
CM Punk
aff10
Here I thought this whole time he had a thing for chipmunks
nymetsking
ikr, me too
sagbagels
mets things to do:
1. don’t resign Terry Collins
2. Fire Ray Ramirez
3. trade harvey
4. sign 2 veteran pitchers
5. sign a 3b
6. entertain trading cespedes for stanton
thegreatcerealfamine
Stanton…come on man.
sagbagels
i would rather have stanton with his face mask than cespedes with his glass thighs
circaflex
sagbagels – you do realize stanton is hurt frequently as well right? Stanton has missed more time than cespedes has. Stanton over 8 years has played in 963 games, Cespedes in 6 years has played in 788
1. – I dont think terry is to blame, but we need someone new.
2. – 100% yes
3. For what? He has no stock right now
4. Yes
5. yes
6. No, and I doubt Miami is ever trading him
thegreatcerealfamine
Yea so would all Mets fans but they wouldn’t spend the money…let alone what it would take to get him. I also believe Cespedes has a NTC.
sagbagels
a chance to play in miami near home and under deter jeter led ownership, and get away from ny media? i think he would waive his ntc for that…
K_Man915
That’s just silly…
embalmer
Lmao
chesteraarthur
When do they consider blowing it up? If they fail to make the playoffs again next year? Or will they keep trying until their pitchers are free agents?
Gomez Toth
Let’s see…
Jose Reyes and his .300 OBP and <0.700 OPS has been a regular starter all season, no legitimate third baseman was acquired, no legitimate closer was acquired, no actual center fielder was acquired, Wilmer Flores started the equivalent of a month at first base, Juan Lagares started the equivalent of two months (and counting) in center, the training staff believes the ability to lift 500 lbs. is more important than preparing a body to play professional baseball for 6+ months, and now we receive the peachy news from the GM/president/poobah/whatever that 'an “undetermined” portion of the money coming off the books will be reinvested into the on-field product.'
It's already blown up. Chester. REAL GOOD, too.
chesteraarthur
I’m not sure if you just wanted to make this post, or if that was a serious reply, but blowing up a team means trading off your valuable MLB pieces, which they have not done, minus Reed. Being in a shiddy position isn’t the same thing as blowing it up.
kingjenrry
Check the numbers again. Reyes switched bats in late June because the knob was aggravating a hand injury. He’s hit .300 since the last week of June and has better numbers than Moustakas since then. It’s obvious a guy playing hurt would have lower numbers. Moustakas is the best 3B available but he’ll be a poor fit for a Mets team with muktiple holes to fill.
sagbagels
SA still operating as a small market team in a big market town
wkkortas
Only Alderson is going to drop an “esoteric metrics” on the press.
sagbagels
as opposed to threatening and verbally attacking a beat reporter for plotting to take his job?
ReverieDays
Mets Notes: lol, they suck.
vtadave
I guess for Terry Collins, a 4.1 BB/9 is “throwing strikes”.
Kayrall
I also questioned this.
Seymour Butts
I agree putting wheeler, lugo, matz, montero, and harvey in the bullpen along with AJ Ramos, Familia, and Blevins would be instantly one of the best bullpens in the league. They would versatility because some can spot start or be a long reliever at any given moment. Of course that would mean filling two/ three spots in the rotation. I do not know who is available next year but signing someone to a Bartolo Colon deal will be awesome (with the same production). I think these Mets pitcher care more about how fast they are hitting the radar gun then just pitching. I know this may sound crazy but cant we get Mike or Greg Maddux as pitching coaches. Keep Long as the hitting coach. Bring someone like a Tony Pena and Lopes for third and first base coaches. As far as a manager, I would consider someone like Ron Washington or Joe McEwing (gritty guys). Lastly, as far as hitters:
Idk if this lineup sounds good to ya’ll assuming everyone comes back healthy and Cabrera option is bought out:
Right Handed Pitcher-
1. Nimmo – CF
2. TJ Rivera – 3B
3. Conforto – RF
4. Cespedes – LF
5. Flores – 2B
6. Dom. Smith – 1B
7. Rosario – SS
8. Plawekci – C
9. Pitcher
Left Handed:
1. TJ Rivera – 3B
2. Cespedes – LF
3. Flores – 2B
4. Conforto – RF
5. Lagares – CF
6. Dom Smith – 1B
7. Rosario – SS
8. Travis D – C
9. Pitcher
I think defensively we would be pretty solid. The lineup provides pretty solid guys get on base. On the bench I would have Lagares/Nimmo (platoon at CF), Reyes, Travis D/Kevin P (platoon at C), and Gavin Cecchini/Matt Reynolds or whoever makes the team. Another possibility could be sign a free agent/spring invite.
Then Rotation would be like:
1. DeGrom
2. Thor
3..Jason Vargas
4. Lackey/Pineda
5. Montero
Bullpen
RP- Harvey
RP – Lugo
RP – Wheeler
RP- Free Agent/Prospect who steps up
LP- Matz
LP- Blevins
SU- Familia
CP- Ramos
I guess my point is the team is pretty good with our any crazy additions production and health are the best biggest concerns. Firing the entire training staff and hire ones that focus on longevity rather than strength. (Yoga, stretch, and other activities).
bigdaddyt
Pineda is out with tommy john, lackey is old, Vargas isn’t that good and will be paid pretty well this winter. Doubt boras will have Harvey stay with the mets if he is bullpen bound he would demand a trade and make a giant fuss about it… also that team still has the injury bug players
jbigz12
I would think Lackey is going to retire. And Pineda is going to miss most of the year. How can you justify moving 4 of your Sp to the bullpen? A healthy matz is probably better than all those guys you listed 3-5 in the rotation. I don’t see anyway the mets do something that drastic.
bigdaddyt
And your post is way to long relax the mets suck and will continue to for a while
sagbagels
+1
kingjenrry
There are so many things wrong there, I don’t even know where to begin.
rmullig2
The biggest need they have is catcher. Give up on Travis already, he’s their version of Blake Swihart. Need to sign Lucroy or Montero to give them a legit catcher.
kingjenrry
Lucroy’s having an awful year to the point that Plawecki looks like the much better player.
iuo
Looks like the Mets will have a new Manager next year, Collin’s has even said he’ll probably retire after this year. As for Alderson I think he’s the fall guy. A general manager can only do what his boss lets him (spending). Alderson has done some good trades before but this year the Wilpon’s told him to DUMP. Everyone knows when you dump salary it means you get little to nothing in return because the other team pays the entire contract. Then as a GM you take all the blame and your boss (the Wilpons) look innocent. It happens in real jobs, how many times has the big boss told a lower manager to do his dirty work (firings). As for the 2018 Mets they should sign Moustakas for 3B and Lorenzo Cain for Cf. As for catcher there really isn’t a good free agent out there Lucroy is having a bad season (offensively and defensively) and we have Nido coming up in a couple of years. I’d rather see a platoon of Plawecki/d’Arnaud for one more season but Plawecki as the starter. Plawecki has improved his throwing and hitting especially against righties and d’Arnaud can start vs lefties ( he’s batting .324 and slugging .563). Also Flores should be full time at 2B (leave him at 2B stop moving him around and he’ll be an avg 2B, his bat should be good for .275 20-30HR’s 70-80 RBI if he’s full time). “IF” David Wright comes back a platoon at 1B would be best for him and his body. As for our pitchers (deGrom, Syndergaard, Matz, Wheeler, Harvey, Lugo, Gsellman, Montero, etc….) I feel we have plenty of pitching with a lot of talent. The Mets just need to change their conditioning which means more yoga and stretching and less power lifting (a combination of both would be good) All this said the reality is the Wilpon’s own this team and I don’t see any real improvement or spending. They will probably be picking up Asdrubal Cabrera’s option to play him at 3B (waiting for Wright excuse), a platoon of Nimmo/Lagares in Cf and a cheap lower tier starting pitcher to eat innings.
majorflaw
Here’s the salient point above:
“A general manager can only do what his boss lets him.”
Yes. We sometimes make the mistake of assuming that GMs are judged by on field performance, trades and drafts. They are judged by how well they meet the goals set for them by ownership.
Alderson’s job from day one was to manage finances such that the Wilpon-Katz partnership was able to maintain ownership, which was in doubt post Madoff. Alderson is doing exactly that. What the team does on the field is and has been secondary.
Although they are still adjusting to a post-Madoff world, the Mets long term financial prognosis is good. They will own their stadium and teevee station and the baseball department is operating at a profit. But they are currently saddled with rather large debt service on both the stadium and the station.
kingjenrry
Paragraphs?
mets1987
Can you reply to my post interested in what u think
slider32
I can’t believe this is the same team that went to the world series a few years ago, how quickly they have fallen off the map. With Wright and Cespedes they have too highly paid players who con’t play that often.
DXC
Sounds like the Wilpons are gearing up for another cheap-a-thon off season.
Last off season, the Mets made the decision to go into this year without a major league level player at C or 3b, (and no true CF who figured to play), an injury prone staff and a thin bullpen, and the worst defensive position group in the game.. All due to the Wilpons and their penny pinching. A 155 mm payroll is a joke for a NY team as it is (particularly when Wright’s 20 mm shouldn’t even count)..
Now, it seems they won’t even match that mid-market payroll. No biggie, since it’s likely not sufficient in any case. C, 2b and 3b need to be substantially upgraded (not managed with the trash they have already). They also need a solid starting pitcher that isn’t a stop gap. Other upgrades as well. DO THEY REALIZE THEY ARE ONE OF THE WORST TEAMS IN BASEBALL? d’Arnaud being in good standing under the “special” Mets’ metrics only means he’s still cheap. He can’t play dead. Cabrera and Flores are utility guys on a good team. Rivera is a AAA player. Few contenders start off a year with 3 positions in the hands of young unproven players (Laguras/Nimmo, CF, and of course Rosario and Smith.). OK, but the other positions need to be rock solid. Only 2 are, and Conforto might not be ready at the start of the season. Expecting even a winning season is dependent upon intelligent acquisitions, which takes $$$.
kingjenrry
You make some useful points there. Lagares, though, is a proven Major Leaguer with a Gold Glove to his name.
Lanidrac
Someone needs to create a metric (even of it’s not that great at first) to measure catchers’ blocking skills. Maybe then MLBTR will actually bother mentioning it as the third major part of catchers’ defense that it is.
mets1987
Here is an idea if anyone wants to tweak it reply but what if the mets went out and traded for the rangers 2b profar whom would be cheap and controllable(3yrs) and is only 24 and seems to be falling out of favor in texas and could use a change of scenery. Pair him with a young rasiro wow! Then we sign lernzo cain at bout 4 yrs/60 similar to what we gave grandy whom i would also sign back as well as a veteran piece and leadership. Let cabera be the starting 3b cuz we all know the cheapons arent gonna go get mostaktus i would try and keep flores as the super utlity guy try and trade langers with maybe harvey and try an add maybe another bullpen piece and a veteren starter cause harvey’s vaule is shot anyways sign wellington castillo dfa daufraud lol sign wade davies and most important get a new trainer and manager but someone along the lines of a ron washington type whom has a track record and if we stay healthy we should be ok. What u guys think?
kingjenrry
What would they want for Profar? I didn’t understand the rest of what you wrote so I won’t comment on that.
mets1987
Im thinking we could probably package something like langres, harvey and another piece and they throw us another prospect. That’s why i was saying sign cain to play cf