The Padres’ David Post, who’s a special assistant to general manager A.J. Preller, has been following the Yankees’ Triple-A team in Scranton Wilkes/Barre, reports George A. King III of the New York Post. There’s a sense in the industry that Post is doing so because the Yankees are interested in coveted Padres reliever Brad Hand, according to King.
This isn’t the first recent connection between these teams, as the Padres contacted the Yankees about their No. 1 prospect, Triple-A infielder Gleyber Torres, in June. It remains difficult to imagine the Yankees moving the highly regarded Torres, though, despite the fact that he underwent season-ending Tommy John surgery on his left elbow last month.
While Torres is unable to take the field and other touted youngsters in outfielder Clint Frazier and utilityman Tyler Wade are currently in the majors, the Yankees still have a couple intriguing pieces at the Triple-A level. Right-hander Chance Adams, Baseball America’s 56th-ranked prospect, and third baseman Miguel Andujar jump to the fore. The 22-year-old Andujar, who got a brief taste of major league action last month, is the Yankees’ ninth-best prospect, per MLB Pipeline.
The Yankees also have enticing prospects at lower levels, so it’s possible the Padres could ask for youth from both Triple-A and elsewhere if the two discuss Hand. While that’s merely speculation, it is easy to see why the Yankees would want to upgrade their bullpen. Their relievers rank an impressive sixth in the majors in ERA and seventh in fWAR, but the group has been instrumental in a 7-17 skid that has seen the Yankees drop from first place in the AL East to 3.5 games back in the division and only a game up in the wild-card race.
Longtime relief aces Aroldis Chapman and Dellin Betances haven’t been their usual lights-out selves, and fellow established veteran Tyler Clippard has pitched more like a DFA candidate than someone capable of handling high-leverage innings. Hand looks worthy of taking the ball in key situations, though, considering he’s in the midst of his second straight excellent season. The 27-year-old southpaw ranks fourth among relievers in innings (47) and has registered a 2.30 ERA, 11.49 K/9, 2.49 BB/9 and a 48.6 percent ground-ball rate. Hand, a first-time All-Star, has also dominated hitters from either side of the plate, having held lefties to a .192/.300/.365 line and righties to an even weaker .203/.262/.293.
Hand’s production indicates his presence would be a boon to any contender’s bullpen this season, and with two more years of arbitration eligibility remaining, he’d be more than a Band-Aid. Of course, those factors – not to mention his cheap salary ($1.375MM) – will make Hand one of the majors’ most in-demand players around the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline. Given that they’re in a full rebuild, the Padres will probably cash in Hand for prospects in the coming weeks, but it’s not so easy to believe that the Yankees will end up with him. General manager Brian Cashman is only a year removed from giving up the since-re-signed Chapman and arguably the best left-handed reliever in baseball, Andrew Miller, in deals to boost his farm system. As effective as Hand has been, the idea of Cashman reversing course 12 months later and surrendering high-end youth for a reliever seems improbable.
Torres or bust
So bust. Its Brad Hand lol
It’s the elite Brad Hand
Thanks about cubs and Indiana. Now every fan of a fan of a team work a reliever having a breakout year is worth a top 10 (of all) prospect
His career numbers are inflated from his time with the marlins as a starter/reliever
Look what he has done with balls since coming to sd
I never said worth a top 10
Braves fans think all their players are worth that
But you can think the Indians and cubs for that
Yankees have the money to spend and then trade
You mean just Torres, man I would trade Judge and Serevino as well. Brad Hand is that good, right; really good right, ha ha ha
I didn’t say Torres
That’s redic to get Torres for just hand
You must be a Mets fan Sam.
haaaa lol, good one MIKEY
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There’s no way Hand fetches the Padres the #2 overall prospect in baseball.
Who says they need Torres ? Any of their top 8 is within the top 100
Yeah the probably just wanted to start high by asking for Torres before they negotiate their way down.
lets hope; because that is laughable right out of the gate lolll
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not sure whats funnier, the fact the padres actually asked the yankees for torres in the exchange or the fact you think it’s possible it would be done… hmmm; a top flight shortstop prospect, hitting over 300 in triple A, potential perrenial all star , for a 27 year old reliever thats on a crappy team that hasn’t been put in any high leverage situations and on a team with no expectations…. i’d say ur torres or bust is funnier because its the dumbest thing i’ve ever read ; )… but keep dreaming
Wait. So let me get this straight. You are saying that a player on a bad team has less trade value than the exact same player on a good team? How does that work?
uhhhh yeah lollll.. when was the last time the padres were relevant.. how many games in a row would brad hand be pitching in a row on a team 20 games under .500 then with a team 10 games over .500… i’m assuming brand hand is brought in tie games and/or games they are ahead.. pitching with relative fatigue comes into play… hence the reason champan yields a torres and not a brand hand…
its a different ball game when ur playing for yanks with media scrutiny and fans up ur ass; compared to san diego when its acceptable to suck ass every year loll.. it must be acceptable since you’ve been cellar dwellers since 2006.. but whatever…
Lol I’m glad you’re not the GM. You’d never get any trades done with that bogus logic. The Padres’ less-than-ideal performance does nothing to diminish Brad Hand’s success over the past year and a half and Preller will be compensated as such.
This may be the dumbest comment I have ever read. So you’re saying a player on a contender is worth more than a player on a non-contender? I guess that means the Yanks should only trade with the Astros then? Or maybe they can land a top pitcher from the Dodgers? No one else apparently has any value. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
I thought he was a fly ball pitcher as well? I can be wrong…
His slider is nasty
Could be a closer but would create a 3 headed beast in the Yankees bullpen
He has like a 6 ERA and 1.000+ OPS against on 0 days rest this year. Not sure closer is the best role for him.
That’s such a tiny sample size as to be completely irrelevant
1) That’s the only sample size we have, and it makes up roughly a quarter of the at bats against him this year. While I agree it’s a small sample, I wouldn’t call it completely irrelevant.
2) I didn’t say those numbers mean he can’t be a closer. All I said was I’m not sure that’s the best role for him. He has been significantly worse pitching on no rest and in save situations this year. I don’t think it’d be smart for a team to give up a great prospect or two in hopes that he succeeds in a role he hasn’t had success in up to this point. Heck, Andrew Miller doesn’t even close games. That doesn’t mean he’s not extremely valuable; he’s just better suited for a different role on his current team. That’s the kind of role I’d want Hand in if I traded for him.
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his GB% is near 50, not elite there but solid. He’s a really good reliever with durability and can give you 90 innings as a reliever. That being said any Padres fan (which I am) seriously asking for Frazier or Torres are being silly homers.
Plenty of Yankees prospects interest me cause of their depth though I’m not too keen on Rutherford (who I doubt they’d trade for a reliever anyways) or Mateo. Lot of combinations would make me happy. But no one should read the padres scouting Yankees AAA team hard as suggesting something is imminent
Not elite but legit
I was confused when BA’s list came out that Rutherford had actually gained a spot up to 36. He’s only hit 1 HR this year in about 250 at bats and thats not exactly the plus power he’s supposed to have.
Obviously these scouts know a lot more than we do, but like you I’m skeptical of him and Mateo, who was having a tough year in high A before he got promoted.
That being said, I definitely wouldn’t complain if either of them ended up in the Padres system around the deadline.
Rutherford is not going anywhere. Having a good year with 63rbi and .276 batting avg in first year!
Mateo would also be too much for a lefty who finally figured it out in his prime!
Hate to burst your bubble, but Rutherford has 21 RBI not 63, his K% is above 20, and his OPS is just .711. I wouldn’t really call that a good year. He’s in A ball so there is plenty of time for him to figure it out. He has tons of potential and like I said, I’m no scout so they must be seeing something the stats don’t show.
As for Mateo, he’s not “too much” for Hand, he’s probably not enough at this point. Mateo’s stock is sinking and he’s falling right off the top 100 lists. Unreal speed but he’s not hitting and probably won’t stick at SS.
Actually some of that is the exact opposite. Yes his stock has fallen quite a bit, but since he was promoted back to AAA, he Is Hitting once again. He’s stealing many more bases again too.
Mateo’s stock since beginning of this year should be way down. A nice 50 PA sample after 2 years of being a average hitter in A+ ball does not mean much. I’m not interested
You can keep him, little interest in the overrated Rutherford . COF bats with average speed and that don’t hit for power don’t interest me. And no he’s got no chance of being a CF long term
You obviously haven’t seen Blake play. His swing is incredible, but he’s still a young skinny kid that hasn’t filled out yet. He’s a keeper.
You surely have high standards then.
I totally agree with you Philip. Obviously, trying to get a guy like Torres for Hand is just plain silly. However, there are still quite a few other Yankee prospects that could work in a deal.
Padres are goofin’
Nooooooooooooooo
Wouldn’t it have made more sense to just keep Andrew Miller?
Did you see how the Yankees game ended today, that was why that trade was made.
And that is exactly the type of thing the Yankees will have to give up to get Hand
Comparing Hand to Miller is pretty silly
Very similar pitchers. Miller is better but Hand is still really freaking good. The Yankees traded Miller less than a year ago and now they want to trade for a somewhat inferior version of him? Were I Brian Cashman I would have just kept Miller.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but that’s just not going to happen.
Yes, the Yankees will have to give up an impact prospect to acquire Hand. And there is a good chance that come 2018 or 2019 that prospect will be doing for the Padres what Clint Frazier is doing for the Yankees right now.
Don’t bet on it. I’m still not buying this interest in Hand from Cashman. Could’ve just as easily hung onto Wilson. Also moved Pazos and Goody in deals. Now he’s going to move impactful prospects for Hand? Does not add up.
To me it doesn’t add up because they had a somewhat better version of Hand and traded him away less than a year ago
Because of the package they got for Miller. Somewhat better version? Lol, please don’t compare Hand to Miller. There is no comparison. I guess, they both throw with their left hands? That’s where it ends though.
Struggle in his first shot at the majors?
Miller is the only better LH reliever in the majors over 2016-2017. Very, Very similar. Hand is going to cost a couple of prospects that hurt.
Chapman has been slowed by a nagging injury this year, but when he’s himself of course he’s better than Hand. Rivero has also been better this year. No, not very, very similar because Miller is on another level. Miller puts up video game numbers; Hand does not.
The package the Yankees got for Miller doesn’t matter. If they want a guy like him it still makes sense to keep him. The Dodgers aren’t going to trade Kershaw just because they could get a great package for him, for example. And clearly the Yankees do want a guy like Miller because they are trying to trade for one.
Hand and Miller have VERY similar profiles. Left handed pitcher, former top organizational prospect, failed as a starter but flourished upon a move to the bullpen. Capable of going more than one inning and getting lefties and righties out all the same. Miller and Britton are the best in the game as far as that profile goes, but Hand is still very very good. And of course, Britton is injured and the Indians aren’t trading Miller.
Notice I said “best available.” Miller and Chapman aren’t getting traded this year. The Pirates could made Rivero available but haven’t heard anything about him lately. Is there ONE pitcher with a similar profile to Hand who has better results this year whose team is actually looking to trade him?
That’s a west coast perspective.
Thank god your not Cashman!
Again with Miler comparisons unreal
Not sure where you said “best available” in this string of the thread. Do all the comparisons you want, they’re lefties, they both throw sliders, etc. When you get to the numbers, there is no comparison.
No, LA is not going to trade Kershaw because they can get a great package. Yankees traded Miller because he was a luxury. And because of the package they got.
As far as your last question, there’s Justin Wilson. Tigers will definitely look to trade him, they have similar profiles, and their numbers are about equal. Hand is not the only option, nor is he the best option by far a la Miller/Chapman.
It’ll be interesting to see what Hand fetches, but I certainly doubt it will be a Miller/Chapman package.
Thank God my not Cashman? What does that mean?
Clearly Miller wasn’t just a luxury if the Yankees are trying to trade for a similar pitcher less than a year later and Hand will also cost a nice package of prospects. Most people who aren’t Padres homers cite the Giants’ trade for Will Smith last year as the best comparable. So at the end of the day it will mean the Yankees downgraded their shutdown lefty multi-inning reliever in order to bolster their farm somewhat.
Again with the irrelevant comments unreal
Miller was certainly a luxury last year. The Yanks weren’t going anywhere. Cashman wisely cashed in that asset. This year has been different. New York wasn’t supposed to contend for the division this year. The hot start to the season has moved up the timeline in some people’s minds, but the Yanks are more than just a guy like Hand away from being serious contenders, and that’s why I would pass on him. At the end of the day, we have no idea where Hand will actually end up, so let’s hold off on who will get him and how much it will cost.
Miller had two more years of control and the Yankees clearly planned on contending in those two years so no, he wasn’t a luxury. It wasn’t like Chapman where he was going to be a free agent at the end if the season anyway.
We’ll find out in a few years when Frazier in big leagues full time
Andujar and Acevedo
Pass.
No thanks for the padres
not enough
Cash in hand.
I get it.
Hand isn’t Miller, but few are, what he is, is someone who is close and has put up monster numbers the last 2 years. What he is, is the best LH pitcher on the market, and its not close. Chance Adams and Andujar, or Mateo and another lower level guy
Doolittle is close.
Cashman just needs to pass altogether. The pen has been horrid lately, but Betances and Chapman will figure it out, and after then there’s Warren and Green. The pen will be fine. What Cashman should be looking for is a cost-controlled 1/2.
Put down the pipe..Chance Adams no. More like Mateo+ low level prospect. This article is similar to Bigfoot!
There is a zero percent chance the padres will trade hand for a mediocre prospect+ a low level one
How about the Yankees let you keep Torrens?
Mediocre.would easily be top three in Padres system.
I’d invite you to look at a mid-season prospect ranking. He would probably be like the Padres 10th best prospect. And he would definitely fall behind Tatis Jr. and Urias in terms of middle infielders in the SD system.
Na higher then that,but let’s wait till all the lists are out.
The Yankees don’t have the right to let or not let the Padres keep Torrens. They just will.
Mateo ain’t cracking the Padres top 10. It’s not 2014, he was a average hitter in A+ for year and half, some 60 PA sample in AA doesn’t change that. Plenty of Yankees prospects interest me, Mateo ain’t one.
Why anyone would even do business with the shady GM of the Padres is beyond me.
Because MLB has their eye on Preller and because Hand is the best at what he does who is currently available via trade.
Have their eye doesn’t mean he won’t or will try cheating he’s already 2 time offender
Having their eye on him most CERTAINLY means he won’t reoffend! If he does he’ll never have another job in MLB again. Not even cleaning the toilets.
Shady padres gm? I can count at least a dozen times the Yankees have fleeced the padres over the years.
That was Mike Dees thing and he is gone.
Only significant trade the two teams have made in the past 10 years was Headley for Solarte and Padres definitely won that trade
TheWestCoastRyan….try reading DavidCoonce74’s reply and maybe you’ll get it.
The Yankees traded Solarte because he could’t play defense and his offense was erratic at best.
My response was to padresfan who said the Yankees have fleeced the Padres in trades over the years. Most of the trades they have made over the past 10 years had no effect on way or another. That was really the only one that did and the Padres absolutely won that trade.
Padres certainly won the Headley/Solarte trade. Said it then and saying it again today.
That’s such a low level insignificant trade
Not much of a win. Headley is basically a league average player at third base; Solarte is a league-average hitter who can’t play defense anywhere and is the slowest non-catcher in baseball. Seems like a bit of a nothing trade in retrospect.
The kick in the guts is the 4 year extension Headley got. Really hoping Yanks replace him with Machado.
Looking back now, it really was a kind of a “nothing” trade like David was saying. However, I think the Padres kind of shot themselves in the foot by not trading Headley earlier when his value was higher.
Solarte journeyman
You’re such a low level insignificant commenter
Solarte is better than Headley and we got 5 and a half years of him while the Yankees got 2 months of Headley. The contracts they signed came afterwards and aren’t relevant to the trade.
Brain dead
That’s what Solarte is journeyman. Make 1 good trade like Travis Shaw deal
Yeah, good trade for the Brewers XD
I think Florial could be a fit. He’s young but is showing some pretty loud tools in A ball. BA just ranked him at 71. Looks like there is a bunch of upside.
Hard pass on Florial..
Florial is a CF. Padres don’t need more CF prospects. They’re going to be looking for a middle infielder. Plus Florial k’s 35% of the time. They need someone that makes consistent contact.
i like Clint Frazier but the Pads already have enough OF
Like him or not, he’s not getting moved for Hand. And you make it seem as if Frazier wouldn’t become Pads best outfielder.
Adams, Andujar, Clarkin would be a good net for the padres for Hand.
Not buying the Torres or Frazier possibility.
Whether at the deadline or during next offseason Preller will net a significant package for Hand.
I dont see em trading Adams because they need the pitching when 3/5 of the rotation leaves next year
What about Mateo, Andujar, Solak then?
That package is not happening. Definitely not moving Adams in a deal for Hand. More power to Preller, but I don’t see it coming from the Yankees.
Adams, Andujar, Clarkin????
Are you serious.
Adams and Andujar would never be apart of the deal.
If it were Clarkin alone I would still be a little upset as he’s had a renaissance turn around year as a lefty starter. Clarkin and Cave would be more like it and I would not be happy we traded a lefty starter.
Hand is having a good year but he’s not worthy of hurting this rebuild.
Lots of ridiculousness in this thread throwing out names like Adams, Rutherford, Frazier, Fowler, Mateo, Florial, Clarkin, et al not to mention PACKAGES of these guys for Brad Hand. Get real, folks. First, the Yankees have shown no inclination to trade their young talent or they would have done so for an SP. Second, Brad Hand doesn’t make the Yankees WS contenders like Chapman or MIller did for the Cubs and Indians and the Yankees are not desperate like those teams were to finally get to a WS. Lastly, Brad Hand is not a GREAT reliever with a proven track record. He’s a guy that’s had a good 18 month stretch.
A trade for Hand returns something like Jake Cave, Domingo German, and a lower level prospect with some upside. Unless it’s a blockbuster deal for a starter the Yankees won’t be moving their top prospects, especially for Brad Hand. Keep dreaming Padres fans.
Right on koz16..of course the Padres are scouting the Yanks farm teams like other teams prospects to get something of substance. Not happening from the Yanks like these ridiculous Padres homers feel Hand is worth. Cash is to smart that’s why the Yanks are where they are,keep him and continue swimming in mediocrity or get real.
You’re going to be very surprised when you see what he is traded for. You have to give quality to get quality. That package you proposed would get you a teams third or fourth best prospects, not their best. Hand would definitely bring back at least one of the guys you listed at the top
Reliever*
Spot on. Though I think they’d get a bit more than Cave and German.
I agree Koz!
Cash Ninja is either driving up the prospect price on Hand so no other team steals him and he’s doing so with no intention of dealing any significant prospects other then those you mentioned such as German, Cave, Donnie Sands type combo or the Padres are willing to take that exact combo but no way no hell is Cash dumb enough to deal one significant prospect in a package for Hand!
Lol it would be the exact opposite of what’s going on in the reality of Yankee land.
There is a lot of people over valuing hand… and keep in mind Miami had that issue with REa’s injuries last year… I’m sure teams are hesitating to trade with peeler
I suggest you do some outside reading. Hand is one of the most sought after players — he’s a top 8th inning reliever, inexpensive, and with two years of control, Hes not worth a Torres, but he’s worth a lot more than Mateo and some of the other names you mention. If the Yankees don’t take him, a lot of other teams will.
And Yankee fans will sleep well at night!
Right on Koz
1. Cause you know 18 month streches happen all the time LOL. Being dominant against R and L handed batters for 18 months is clearly a common occurrence in baseball.
2. So you counter ridiculous trades with that awful trade proposal? Hell watch Preller trade Hand to the red sox and watch him dominant your yankees for the next 2 years then.
1. Yankees don’t need Hand, this year is a rebuilding year, they didn’t expect to be where they were, they’re not going to play that game. If they do, it will be for the surplus of rule 25 guys they have, not legit prospects.
2. Pitching in the NL West is not the same as pitching in the AL East. Relievers not called Miller have a pretty short shelf life in the AL East.
Yes, players do get hot for a period of time and regress. Ballpark factors and playing in the NL West also help Hand’s recent stats. There is nothing in his minor league career or previous MLB career that indicates he’s a stud reliever. Heck, even Tyler Clippard has had extended periods of dominance and he’s the guy the Yankees want to replace.
Let other teams overpay. Funny how desperate Padres fans expect to rebuild their team by trading away a middle reliever with a career 4+ ERA, 1.3+ WHIP, 3.6 BB/9 and 7.6 K/9 because they think they guy is Andrew Miller 2.0.
Koz16- wow so much nonsense in your post. Just wow.
1. Hand converted to a full time reliever in 2016. He was a failed starter/swingman before then. His numbers before 2016 mean nothing. Literally you could go look at his stats, see he started games in 2015 and before and started 0 games in 2016 and 2017. Idk why you didnt.
2016 he posted 89.1 innings of 3.07 3.34 periphials, 11.18 k/9, 3.63 bb/9 and held R to .233/.310/.379 and L to .124/.221/.200. Faced more R (53.1) than L (36.0).
2017 hes posting 2.79 2.90 peripherals, 11.49 k/9, 2.49 bb/9, and R have .203/.262/.293 and L have .193/.300/.365 with more R (32.2) than L (14.1) faced in 47 innings.
2. You do realize andrew miller was a failed starter swingman before he became full time reliever right? You do realize andrew miller has a career
4.04 era, 107 era+, 1.342 WHIP, 4.1 bb/9, and 10.4 k/9 right? baseball-reference.com/players/m/millean01.shtml
Educated yourself kid before you post comments that will embarass you when someone destroys your logic.
I’m not embarrassed at all his career numbers speak for themselves. And as far other comments about Hand being an All Star that’s not saying much because the MLB requires at least one representative for each team. There are a probably dozen NL middle relievers more deserving of an AS bid this year. Keep dreaming about landing those top Yankee prospects for Hand while you’re counting those Padre WS trophies.
LOL just keep embarassing yourself kid.
According to fangraphs
Hand is ranked 13th in k/9, 19th best in bb/9, 3rd in innings pitched, 7th in WAR, 15th in fip, 7th in xfip. LOL more deserving. Clearly a dozen more deserving when hes top 10 in major categories- war xfip innings.
You just start watching baseball kid? You realize its the sport with the white ball- size of a baseball- and the bats right? Seems like tennis is more up your ally with how much you know about baseball.
Ouch
Seems to me the Red Sox have a pretty good bullpen right now so not sure how Hand is “going to dominate (your dominant) the Yankees for the next two years.
Besides, the Sox have a habit of dominating one year and ending up back in the pack the next. And, exactly what have the Padres won recently….hell over the last 10 years?
You Padres fans crack us Yankee fans up bud! Reality is calling!!!
You can never have enough starting pitching nor enough bull pen help.
Also looking at the sox pen
Barnes vs L. .235/.339/.471
Hembree vs L. .361/.410/.526
Kelly vs L. .263/.429/.289
And they have two loogys in Abad and Scott who righties mash.
Hand this year has righties batting .203/.262/.293 and lefties batting .192/.300/.365.
Cause you know, thats downright awful to acquire a guy who can pitch multiple innings (47 innings in 42 games and 89.1 innings in 82 games), who can get lefties and righties out ( see 2017 above, 2016 R had .233/.310/.379 and L had .124/.221/.200), oh and hes cheap making about 4.5 mill this year with 2 arb years left.
Yup clearly the sox dont need a guy like that cause smith and thornburg worked out well for them.
This cracks me up. Those guys aren’t even in the Yank’s top 30. They’re like one step above organizational filler. Why would anyone trade an all-star reliever for guys who will become like their 40th best prospects?
I would love for anyone to show me a trade at the deadline for a top 20 reliever, on an affordable contract, with 2+ years of control, that has a return is anywhere near that low.
People need to take their bias out of it and look at past trades to formulate realistic opinions. (The Will Smith Giants trade last year is a great comp) Are the Padres going to get Torres? Hell no. Are the Padres going to get two guys not in the Yankees top 30? Hell no.
Fine. Have fun facing him down the stretch and in the playoffs 🙂
As a Met fan who enjoys Yankee pain, do yourselves a favour and deal yourself out on Hand. Hand is an exploding parcel that Preller is praying he gets out of his hand before detonation. I read comparisons to Andrew Miller some weeks back and realised far too many people are taking this guy seriously.
Brad Hand isn’t even the best reliever on the market
For the price, control and what he does on the mound… he is
Simple
Name one lefty that makes the same as him, with team control, and puts up those numbers
I didn’t say lefty, is said best reliever overall, and yeah there are plenty of better options that wouldn’t demand a huge return
but to give you an example, LHP Justin Wilson, who has a better whip, and a better track record, and wouldntcost as much, same for RHP Pat Neshek
Justin Wilson. He makes more than a million more but that’s nothing nowadays. Hand does have one more year of control though. Their numbers are very similar. Rivero actually has more going for him than Hand, but not sure if he’s available.
Neither was Wil Smith last year and look what he brought back the Brewers.
I like the Yankees
Does anyone seriously believe the Yankees would trade Torres for Brad Hand. Even with Torres’s injury no way no how is he traded.
I think they meant Torrens, you know, that third catcher just riding pine? Lump him with say Cave, Refsnyder and a lower level lottery ticket, that’s the most I could see Cashman dealing for a relief pitcher with Betances and Chapman entrenched.
Luis Torrens is with the padres already
That’s just not going to happen
I don’t think any Padres fans seriously think that. would happen. Sounds like a negotiating tactic, if even that (I don’t know how many of these stories are actually true).
1- The comparison between Miller and Hand isnt totally nuts when you factor the contract. Miller is still worth more, but it’s a valid point for comparison.
2- I’d be shocked if Cashman were to give up anything close to what he got last year for Chapman/Miller for any reliever. Makes much more sense for him to target a high salary rental.
3- The Mets and Yankees have never lined up better as trade partners. Duda and Reed are exactly what the Yanks need, a high end reliever and a solid 1B, both of whom are gone after this season and won’t get in the way of other players. Obviously, Yanks have plenty of prospects . But I’d still guess the deal doesn’t get done.
Jake Cave, Rob Refsnyder, Tito Polo and the rights for Luis Torrens (which would allow them to option him as not to stunt his development any longer) for Brad Hand.
Refsnyder just seems destined to be a Padre, Ray or Athletic eventually. They picked and returned Cave on rule V last year so there is some interest, just spit balling here.
The rights for Luis Torrens doesn’t mean much. He is already the Padres’ full-time backup catcher and he is actually doing a decent job. They plan on keeping him in the majors all year anyway.
Refsnyder doesn’t really have any value. He’s a utility player. Not a guy you actually trade for. Every system has a Refsnyder hanging around.
Wow, dumbest comment on this thread. None of those guys are even close to top 100 prospects. The Padres aren’t trading the Yankees anything for Luis Torrens’ rights. They are perfectly fine carrying him for the rest of the season as their backup catcher, a role he’s done alright at this year. And they never took Jake Cave in Rule 5. That was the Reds. Get out of here with your bogus trade proposals!
Yankees going to sell the whole system to get Brad Hand,Will Myers and Solarte? It could be a mega deal if the rumors about asking about Torres are correct.
Sell the farm for Hand, Myers, and Solarte? Oh please. It’s just not going to happen.
Yank lack of production at 1st isn’t an issue. My bad.
I think what he’s trying to say is that the Yankees can get a cheaper replacement without giving up the farm system, like Lucas Duda, or Yonder Alonso
Understandable. Think Duda is a bad fit. Yonder is a good option though. IMO
Wouldn’t like it if I were Yanky fan if they got Duda then Boston comes to town with Price and Pomeranze and you can’t even put him in the lineup.
Or if they played the Dodgers in the World Series
Not giving up on Bird.
Justin Wilson. What about him?
2.48 ERA, 13.2 K/9, .918 WHIP.
Going to be hilarious watching the yankees miss out on Hand like they did Kimbrel esp if Cashman low balls Preller again.
Clearly Kimbrel wasnt worth including Mateo and now Kimbrel is a Red Sox after giving up margot asuaje guerra and allen which kimbrel has been dominant this year.
2015 the yankees were 58-44 as of July 31st.
Went 29-31 afterwards.
Yes, they did miss out on Kimbrel. Then after 2015, got Chapman for a very light package in Jagielo(struggling big time in the minors) and Davis(I liked Davis, but has also struggled so far), then flipped Chapman for Torres, Warren, and McKinney. Then re-signed him after the season. I think the Yanks did OK with all that.
Also, there is no comparison between Hand and Kimbrel. Lastly, if Cashman was reluctant to at the time give up Mateo in a package for Kimbrel, what makes you guys think that he’ll be willing to include equal prospects to Mateo for a much lesser pitcher in Hand?
1. Cashman wasn’t reluctant to give up Mateo for Kimbrel. He offered Mateo for Kimbrel and Gyorko (who was a negative value piece at the time) and Preller said no.
2. He will be willing to give up Mateo for Hand because that is the cost of doing business at the deadline. You know how teams overpaid for your relievers last year? Now you are on the other side of that coin.
From what I remember, Cashman was reluctant to give up Mateo in a deal for Kimbrel. Do you have any links? I’m interested in seeing if I’m remember it wrongly.
Yes, Cashman would be willing to include Mateo in a trade for Hand now because Mateo’s value has gone done since 2015. He has really struggled until he recently got promoted to AA, where he’s been raking(SSS). Maybe he needed a change of scenery? Couldn’t tell you.
Really not sure why Cashman would be going hard after Hand, anyways. Chapman, Betances, Warren, Green, Shreve. Yankees need a cost-controlled TOR starter, not another reliever.
pinstripealley.com/2015/7/31/9082237/yankees-trade…
I’m not sure if Preller didn’t like Mateo or just didn’t think he was worth Kimbrel. He could have gotten (and did get) more for Kimbrel and he will get more for Hand.
I don’t actively watch the Yankees so you’d know better than I would what they do and don’t need.
Thanks for the link. For some reason I only remembered that Cashman was unwilling to park with Mateo in a deal for Kimbrel. I thought that Preller did very well in getting Margot and Guerra(at the time very highly thought of) in addition to Allen and Asuaje for Kimbrel. Margot was a top 50 and Guerra top 75. Not sure that Preller can get even more for Hand, but like you said all it takes is one team.
I meant Preller will get more than just Mateo for Hand. Not more than he got for Kimbrel.
That makes more sense, and I agree. If I were Preller, I’d be hitting up the Nats for Hand. No one needs him more than the Nats. Robles is most likely off limits, but Fedde plus can certainly be had.
I was saying last week that we should try to make Fedde and Kieboom happen. We need a controllable shortstop in the worst kind of way.
The most cited comparable for Brad Hand’s trade value is something similar to what the Brewers got for Will Smith last year. The Yankees try to low-ball Preller like they did for Kimbrel and Preller will simply walk away and trade Hand to one of the Yankees’ division rivals.
Ok, so just because the Giants were stupid to give up the package that they did for Smith, that makes it likely that the Yankees will do the same for Hand? I don’t see it. And if they turn around and trade Hand to one of the Yankees’ division rivals(I’m assuming the Sox, as Toronto and Baltimore are probably out of it), then so be it. That will mean that Dave D has further gutted the Sox’ farm.
I don’t contend that Preller won’t be able to land a significant package for Hand. I just highly doubt that it comes from the Yankees. Adding Hand to the pen doesn’t make the Yankees serious contenders. Or contenders at all.
Not necessarily the Yankees, but some team will. All it takes is one.
And Hand is controllable through 2019 so like with Miller and the Indians, if the Yankees trade for Hand and don’t win it all this year the trade wasn’t a complete loss.
Very true. There’s always a sucker out there. San Francisco last year for Milwaukee. Yes, it’s true that Hand would a future piece as well, but I’m not really concerned about the pen. Just have to keep Clippard away from Girardi. No need to go to him unless it’s a blow out one way or the other, when you’ve Chapman, Betances, Warren, and Green available. If anything, the rotation could definitely use a boost, whether getting a controllable piece for now and the future through a trade, or going after a guy like Darvish in free agency. The rotation is the biggest pressing need.
Don’t necessarily disagree with you there. My original premise was that it was weird to see the Yankees showing interest in Hand less than a year after trading away a better pitcher with a very similar profile who they weren’t about to lose to free agency. I said this at the time. The Chapman trade made sense because he was going to be a free agent at the end of the season and wasn’t willing to talk extension. But Miller was controllable through 2018 so if the Yankees had any plans on contending in 2017 or 2018 they weren’t helping themselves by trading him.
Agree this myopic Brad Hand to the rescue stuff calm down
Again with Miller and Indians reference lol
Again with the idiotic comments lol
Yankees are falling out of race so this Brad Hand overpay is another Padre pipe dream
Preller is idiot among horrendous moves the Jedd Gyorko trade just 2 years ago looking like another doozy
He can still trade with whoever he wants
Yea Red Sox ha
If we have something they need then sure
Red Sox would never deal with liar Preller again wow u r back and beyond
Okay Buster Olney
Yea wonderful bad trades or scandalous trades is all he’s good for
And stupid grammatically incorrect comments are all you’re good for
I Solved the problem for us Padres fans hopefully AJP looks at this. 3 team trade between the padres,phillies and nationals. Nationals get Brandon Maurer, Brad Hand, Pat Neshek, and Trevor Cahill, Padres get Juan Soto,Carter Kieboom, Enny Romero, and Joe Ross. While the Phillies Get Michael Gettys, Jose Torres,and Hansel Rodriguez.
How does that make ANY sense for the Padres? You call yourself a Padres fan?
How does that not make any sense? Two potential top 100 hitting prospects, A young starter with potential and,a lefty out of the pen with potential
Because if you look at what players like Hand are fetching nowadays you’d know that Hand alone will get more than that.
You’re overcalueing a guy who’s never pitched in big game move on
God you’re pathetic!
Brad Hand, Brad Hand, Brad Hand
It’s not that big a deal
Slow on the driveway
Addison Russell lol