There’s a belief among teams that most clubs have let the Athletics know which piece or pieces they’re comfortable parting with as headliners in a potential Sonny Gray trade, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Interested parties feel that one club will eventually separate itself before Gray’s scheduled start on Sunday, Sherman continues, adding that the current belief is that the Yankees have offered the best package thus far. MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reported yesterday that the Yankees were “making progress” in negotiations with the Athletics and added that New York has also discussed Yonder Alonso in those talks.
Some more rumblings with Monday’s 4pm ET non-waiver deadline looming…
- Also from Sherman, the Blue Jays are still only interested in dealing their impending free agents and haven’t changed their unwillingness to move players like Josh Donaldson, Marcus Stroman, Aaron Sanchez or Roberto Osuna. Toronto plans to try to move Marco Estrada, Francisco Liriano, Joe Smith and Jose Bautista, and, as Sherman notes, could find success in dealing Bautista in August if a match doesn’t surface this month. (I’d add that like Bautista, Liriano is also highly likely to clear revocable trade waivers next month.) Despite struggling through his worst season since breaking out with the Blue Jays seven years ago, Bautista has generated a bit of interest from other clubs, according to Sherman.
- MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets that the Twins are at least open to the idea of moving Ervin Santana and Jaime Garcia if their recent struggles don’t turn around before the non-waiver deadline. Minnesota dropped below .500 for the first time since April after a pair of losses to the Dodgers, and the Royals are surging toward the top of the division as well. Santana has struggled over the past month and a half but would still figure to draw interest as a fairly reasonably priced rotation stabilizer, even if his ERA has never been supported by peripheral metrics. And while some may raise an eyebrow at the notion of moving Garcia, I’d point out that since the Twins took on all of the money owed to Garcia, they could offer to flip him, still pay his contract, and potentially receive a better prospect than the Huascar Ynoa, whom they traded to Atlanta to get Garcia in the first place.
- The Red Sox may not add another bat to the mix after acquiring Eduardo Nunez, per MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand (Twitter links). Boston has seen Mookie Betts, Andrew Benintendi and Mitch Moreland each struggle of late, but the team believes that when that group emerges from its slump, the offense won’t be much of an issue. Rather, the BoSox are currently focusing on adding another arm to the bullpen.
- ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick tweets that he spoke to a scout whose team has interest in Mets closer Addison Reed that expressed some concern that Reed has been overworked by manager Terry Collins. Only 10 relievers in baseball have more appearances than Reed’s 47, and five of them are situational relievers whose innings count is considerably lower than Reed’s total of 48. By my count, Reed has worked more than an inning on six occasions this year, and he’s also worked on three consecutive days four different times.
JaysFan19
Jays not wanting to trade Stro Sanchez Osuna because it makes absolutely no sense to.. they want to build for the future, why would they trade away the future
Modified_6
Yeah I’ve never understood trading the young 20’s guys. If a rebuild is going to take so long that a young 20’s guy won’t be there any longer then you’d only be trading for 18 and 19 year olds when you rebuild.
justinept
Not to defend trading those guys, but your assumption fails to recognize service time. A 22 year old in the minors still has 6 years control in the bigs whereas these guys are considerably closer to free agency. You also seem to ignore the insane hauls a 23-year old star would bring back. If you could turn Stroman into 3 potential all stars, then you’d have to at least listen, right?
jaysfan77
Key word “potential” we traded Roy Halliday for a couple can’t miss prospects, Kyle Drabek, Travis D’arnaud, and Micheal Taylor, who was flipped to Brett Wallace, to Anthony Gose. It’s not that simple. We need to do what most teams do and lock up your homegrown young stars and get them on the cheap for a couple of their free agents years, that’s what works.
max l
Stro & Sanchez should be the pitchers to build around. For the right price (i.e Torres & Frazier, Robles & Feddem etc.) I’d trade Osuna. Even though he’s really good having lights out closers on bad teams is dumb. I don’t see the Blue Jays being a viable championship team until 2020 at the earliest, so I’d cash in the Osuna chip if a team like the Dodgers put Verdugo on the table.
jaysfan77
Then you spend the next few years trying to acquire a shutdown closer. Or do like the Yankees buy a 100 million dollar one. I dunno.
DanMizer
Closers actually hold less value than any other positional player and starter
Just look at a closers WAR
They’re never worth the money
Plus more than half of them are failed starters
Closers can be found much easier than the haul they’ll receive in a trade – 1-2 blue chip prospects and additional mid tier prospects.
jimmertee
Jays have way to many holes going forward into next year. They only have 2 starting pitchers in Happ and Stroman, Forget Sanchez, his finger might not get to the point where he can be a starter again. Martin and Tulo will only continue declining. Donaldson will rebound. Pillar and Morales will be good. Pearce, Barney, Carrera, Montero are alll fringe pieces. This team needs 3 reliable starters and 3 Bullpen guys, a new right fielder because Bautista won’t be returning. Goins is gone and a fringe piee at best. Forget it folks, this is a full on rebuild not a retool. If the front office does exceptionally well during this trade season or they sign some big dollar free agents, then the Jays might be competative in a few years, otherwise it might be years of mediocrity.
jaysfan77
With the wildcard I think Times have changed.
jameyc
as long as the jays are in the AL east they have no future, son.
jaysfan77
You miss the last couple years? They’ll be back, I bet they make/have more money than your team. They just don’t throw it around on Pablo Sandoval contracts, or Jacoby Ellsbury, or, or ,or
ellisburks
Or have Betts, Benintendi, JBJ, Xander, Dustin, or the farm to acquire pitchers like Sale and Kimbrel.
jaysfan77
Ya Boston don’t have a farm anymore. The jays did the same to make their run the last couple seasons. It’s baseball, it cycles.
jaysfan77
Oh and don’t forget Thornburg and Smith while your talking about emptying the farm for pitchers.
TBaggins
The huge payment of Wade Miley… many if only the Sox had him.
jimmertee
Jays have way too many holes going forward into next year. They only have 2 starting pitchers in Happ and Stroman. Forget Sanchez, his finger might not get to the point where he can be a starter again. Martin and Tulo will only continue declining. Donaldson will rebound. Pillar and Morales will be good. Pearce, Barney, Carrera, Montero are all fringe pieces. This team needs 3 reliable starters and 3 Bullpen guys, a new right fielder because Bautista won’t be returning. Goins is gone and a depth piece at best and Travis can’t stay on the field, let alone lead off.. Forget it folks, this is a full on rebuild not a retool unless the front office does exceptionally well during this trade season or they sign some big dollar free agents, then the Jays might be competative in a few years.
walls17
Get it done Yankees!
Yankee4Life27
I second that!!!
jamboot111
I agree but I hope it dose not involved either of our number one or number two prospect!!!!
Frankie Black
it won’t. Mateo, pitcher Avencedo and a lower level prospect.
I spelled that wrong
Frankie Black
it won’t. Mateo, pitcher Avencedo and a lower level prospect.
thegreatcerealfamine
Yankee fan. That’s definitely not enough.
TheGreatTwigog
Gotta love the advanced research techniques counting through each of Reeds appearances
Steve Adams
It was took a grueling amount of research. I’d say I spent at least 2-3 minutes on it. 🙂
But, I figure if I do it then anyone who reads won’t have to bother doing it themselves. Now if you want to delve into pitch counts and the number of times he’s warmed up, sat back down, etc. — you’re on your own, ha.
LA Sam
W/all those red flags, I’d stay away from Reed, if not injury, just straight fatigue has to be real concern, spooking me as Dodger fan, knowing his name keeps being associated w/LA. Much rather have Britton, even if price is higher, 1988 was too long ago! That is amazing break down of his innings n overuse, wonderful article, always enjoy your work, thorough, thanks, keep writing….
LADreamin
Pretty sure Britton has his injury questions as well. I feel like they’re gonna wait until the last day to make a move.
thegreatcerealfamine
But,but,Kershaw will only miss one or two starts…
jimmyz
If the Dodgers can get Justin Wilson and Juan Nicasio they’d solve bullpen issues and as long as 4 or at least 3 1/2 starters are healthy and show up for the playoffs they’d be scary.
ottomatic
Thanks Steve. Little things like that make this site the great source of info that it is.
arc89
The A’s already said the price for Gray. they must be overwhelmed with the offer or they are not trading him. Frost said that he is in no hurry and winter meetings may be the best time to trade. Somebody will probably budge and send the A’s what they want. Its a poker game right now who goes all in first?
willi
Houston will !
mannyl101
Haha! The A’s will trade, that’s what they do best!
jameyc
but teams also know grays health is a ticking time bomb and beane without doubt want to trade him before the deadline,,its all smoke and mirrors..if gray goes down again his trade value is nill..,,you can bet on it.
atyusko
I think the As trade Gray. I hope it’s to the Yanks but this is there best chance. If he gets hurt he loses value. They have to move him and I think he will be moved before Sunday.
gofish 2
A Mets reliever overworked? Well, I for one am completely shocked.
mannyl101
🙂
chino31
Just trade deGrom and Lugo for Refsnyder and Austin…….lighten up it’s a joke
thegreatcerealfamine
So sorry pal Refs HOF career has started in Toronto.
pins1313
I actually don’t think they will. I think they’ll hold on to one of the best farms in baseball for better then Gray
yukongold
With the Yankees back in first place in the loss column, is trading for Gray really needed?? Mateo and Florial is too much to offer.
arc89
Don’t worry Nats are said to be considering to offering Robles. that trumps any deal with the yanks has to offer. The yanks need to up the offer with Frazier or move on.
rocky7
If you read the papers, especially todays box score for the Yanks, you’ll see why Frazier will not be included for any trade, including Gray. Too much energy, speed, and offensive potential to trade away for Gray and his 30-32-starts per year. He can contribute 145 games worth of his style of play.
Good luck to the Nats if they can trump others offers. But Frazier won’t be traded.
BrandonGregory74
Frazier adds even more to the clubhouse
Sam.rhodes16
That’s fine if Frazier won’t be traded. Just means Gray won’t be acquired by NYY
ctguy
If thats it, then the Yanks are better off holding on to Frazier
KnicksFanCavsFan
Article says it’s believed the Yanks have offered the best package, We just have to wait and see. Also, the best package is in the eye of the beholder. Are the A’s asking for the best talent or the best talent in areas they are lacking in their own system?
As an example, the A’s might have a stronger desire for a trade partners CF prospect that might be ranked as the #50th best prospect over another teams SS prospect ranked #15 overall because they already have a guy like Franklin Barretto pegged as their SS of the future.
atyusko
I doubt the Nats trade Robles. They balked at trading him for Sale. They need him in case Harper walks after 18.
nolanryan77
You might be one of the very few to actually think trading Mateo and florial plus for gray isn’t fair. I’m an A’s fan but I try to be realistic that’s why I don’t think Frazier or Torres will be involved. But if Adams or Sheffield aren’t involved either than it will absolutely take florial and Mateo plus to get Gray. That’s just the market.
YankeeMan3099
I think Mateo and Florial should be part of the package first of all neither guy has a spot on the Yanks big league roster and are blocked. We have plenty of outfield depth so trading a guy like Florial to me isn’t a big deal as for Mateo another guy who is expendable has no where to play in majors blocked both by Didi and Torres. Cashman is a fool if he loses out on Gray because he didn’t want to trade Florial.
nolanryan77
I would agree with you. Although if the headliners are Mateo and florial I think it’ll necessitate the depth players in the deal to be better than if the Yankees offered a top prospect. As a yankee fan what package do you think if fair for gray? Objectively speaking
KnicksFanCavsFan
That’s not completely accurate. Florial is a CF as of now. Maybe he might have to move to a corner, but right now he’s a CF. He might be 2 years away from being ready but the markings are clear.. Yanks want to move Ellsbury. Gardner’s contract isn’t guaranteed past 2018. HIcks looks like a breakthru guy but who knows if he can maintain. I could see a potential Frazier in LF, Judge in RF and one of Hicks/Florial/Fowler in CF. As for Mateo. There was talk of moving Castro to 3rd. So it can be either Mateo or Torres battling it out for 2b or 3b. Certainly the Yanks have some depth and are in a good situation to have so much mlb talent and top prospects at some key positions but I wouldn’t say they are blocked.
Sam.rhodes16
If no Frazier, it’ll take Adams AND Shef as the secondary pieces…
bronxbombers
Wow Sam.rhodes repeatedly in these articles they have stated cashman views Frazier Torres Sheffield and Adams as nearly untouchable. Now you wish to throw in 2 of those prospects for an oft injured pitcher. I dont believe it will take that much. Mateo Florial acevedo definitely gets it done
TheChanceyColborn
Terry Collins overworking a pitcher?? I never would have guessed!
driftcat28 2
I’d be more ham happy giving up Florial and Mateo, plus others (not named Frazier, Torres, Adams, or Sheffield) for Gray! Get it done Cash!!
YankeeMan3099
Dude face it Billy Beane hates the big market teams like Yanks and Red Sox he never trades either team, perfect example both the Yanks and Red Sox were interested in getting Donaldson from Beane and he told both teams he wasn’t available and then a couple days later he shipped him off to the Jays for absolute pure garbage. Beane is sitting on the Yanks offer and shopping it to other teams to get a better deal so he doesn’t have to do business with Yanks it’s so obvious, meanwhile you read reports that the best offer the A’s have is from the Yanks but yet they still haven’t accepted. Beane is a piece of garbage and I hope the A’s never win a damn thing no wonder why their still stuck in that cesspool of a stadium.
bosox117
Beane traded Andrew Bailey and Cespedes to the Red Sox…but he might hate the Yankees if it makes you feel better.
arc89
Funny, Beane will trade anyone with anybody. Yanks have been low balling the A’s on what they want for Gray is why Gray is not in pin stripes. A’s almost traded with yanks in the past Zorbist for their 2B prospect that you guys just released. Yanks turned down the offer. Redsox do not need another starter. A’s and redsox have traded in the past. Beane wants a top 50 prospect included and Yanks have refused so why do you blame Beane when Gray is there for the taking but Cashman would rather hang on to prospects.
YankeeMan3099
Arc I hear what your saying I agree Cashman should be parting with Mateo and Florial they both have no spots on the major league roster and have become expendable I agree 100 percent with you it’s completely asinine. But Beane has shafted the Yanks in the past what was the reason for not wanting to deal Donaldson to the Yankees ? I bet he would have gotten a better package from us than what he ultimately got from Toronto which was basically a bag of baseballs. Also I have no problem with a team telling other teams that a player isn’t available they don’t have to trade the player but when u tell a team or teams he’s not available and then a few days later deal him off for garbage it makes you look like a complete tool and I am sure teams around the league have lost respect for him because of that. Beane always lets his ego get in the way of business and that’s bad for business and this sport doesn’t need guys like him.
arc89
Yanks didn’t have the prospects back when he traded Donaldson. Toronto basically let Beane pick the players he wanted. It wasn’t a bag of balls he got. He received their current #1 prospect Barreto and they still have Graveman who when healthy is a solid #3 starter for any team. All the talk on Gray is about his 1 injury year. So far this year he is injury free and putting up Ace type numbers. Take out his 1 bad start against the Astros and he is one of the top pitchers in the AL. Only trading your surplus is probably not enough to get the best starter available when other teams want him too.
nolanryan77
I get the idea of where you are going but I think it is more a product of Beane and co targeting players rather than taking the best overall package. And that very well could have been the Yankees for Donaldson. They finally seem to be taking the “best package available.”
YankeeMan3099
Arc like I mentioned I think Cashman is being foolish and stubborn for not wanting to part with both Mateo and Florial and I think when it’s all said and done it will cost us in the end and we won’t get Gray that’s the feeling I am getting as this drags out longer and longer. But who knows maybe Cashman swallows his pride and includes both for Gray and I hope he does because we still have plenty of other good players in the system.
arc89
I think Cashman is trying not to trade any of his prospects. Mateo is not a top 100 prospect. Flower getting hurt cost the Yanks a lot because if he was healthy they would have packaged him as the center piece. Florial is not a sure thing so Beane has pulled back . If they hold on to Torres and Frazier than Adams must be in the deal. That might be what is hanging it up.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Are you not reading the report where it says the Yanks have the best package on the table right now (according to reports)?
Momus
That is some solid 20/20 hindsight armchair GM work there YankeeMan. Beane traded Donaldson for guys who immediately became the #2 and #8 highest ranked prospects in the A’s system (Baretto and Nolin), as well as another young arm with potential in Graveman, and Brett Lawrie. In fact the big holdup in the deal was that Beane wanted Lawrie back in the trade and AA didn’t want to let him go. It’s easy to look back now and say that Nolin and Lawrie were busts, but at the time Lawrie was still just 24 and still regarded as a player with a huge amount of talent and upside.
OrangeKhrush
We traded with the Dodgers and the Redsox before, grow up
atyusko
Lol like others have said Dodgers and Bo Sox are two of three biggest markets. Beane trades for value and the Yankees can offer the deepest package even if they aren’t willing to offer the 1 best prospect and that is why they probably have the best offer because there package has the most talent top to bottom.
mcase7187
It’s so sad the Red Sox need a power bat but have no place to play them they have hit less than 100 home runs this yr they really miss David Ortiz but now we’re stuck with Moreland and Hanley (personally not a fan) at 2 of the prime offensive spots on the team DH & 1B so they couldn’t add a bat if they wanted too
jhowe82
If they wanted to they could trade for a first baseman and have Moreland as a backup.
cwh1983
Moreland has been playing hurt for the past 2 months…. Yes they can add a 1st baseman, while FINALLY placing him on the DL
bsteady7
I’m a Cubs fan. And I want to know what your opinion is on when there the Cubs could offer 4-5 “B” prospects to get Gray? They don’t have the “A” type guys lik NYY and other have. But I seriously want to know if say they sent 5 guys in their top 20-25… would that even stand a sliver of a chance to 3 prospect package with 2-“A” prospects? ??
Varangian
A’s want a CF, Cubs have Almora not getting much playing time. They can also offer Candelerio or a good A ball level pitcher or two. Gray should net a bit less than what Q cost.
OrangeKhrush
Mateo fell hard in all rankings, why? Surely it says a lot. But please give us all your scraps
YankeeMan3099
He has regained a lot of his value this year I won’t sit here and argue not looking to pick fights. Seems like anything anyone says on here that someone else doesn’t like people have to resort to name calling and act like immature children, I won’t entertain it sorry.
nolanryan77
As an a’s fan I just have a hard time thinking that the cubs can get it done with prospects alone. It would have to start with candelario de la Cruz and alzolay. Even then if the yanks offered florial Mateo and Acevedo I probably would go with them. The A’s have a gluttony of 1b/3b/dh types and even though they should be looking at best overall package it’s still hard to accept candelario as a headliner when they have chapman, Healy, Davis, neuse, Nunez and Olson as corner infield/dh players. Beane could have a different perspective though.
Varangian
Start with Almora
KnicksFanCavsFan
I wouldn’t say he fell hard. He had a slow start this year but was promoted to AA and is on fire @ .323/.404/.546 in 115 ab. He just turned 22 so I wouldn’t worry too much. Keep in mind that Gary Sanchez was knocked off of top 100 lists in 2017 and then was called up and did what he did last year.
julyn82001
Billy Beane a is tremendous VP, General Manager but he is also a minority owner to an A’s team controlled by Gaps owner billionaire John Fisher who is not exactly a public face. Want Gray? Entice A’s Billy Beane big time so that he can convince Fisher of what is best for a very young talented team with a minimum pay roll…
YankeeMan3099
I have a question when did exactly Lew Wolff sell the A’s I don’t remember hearing about that.
arc89
He was a minority owner who was their mouth piece. He left last year because he would budge on the San Jose deal. Fisher took over because he knows Oakland is a booming economy for a sports team.
Varangian
Yankeeman- if you don’t like name-calling why did you call Beane “garbage”, and Graveman and Barreto”pure garbage”?
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
The Sox are talking about when, not if, those 3 break out of their present slump… if it’s only a question of when, I feel like next year is the answer. The Sox go as Betts, Benni and Pedey go.
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
Hope I’m wrong though
madmc44
Beane came a moment in time from saying yes to the Red Sox in Money Ball—Pomerantz or ERod, Groome and Chavis for Sonny and Alonzo.
scottzeleznik
Yankees need to make a trade for two reasons. They need the starter and they have too many prospects. They can only protect the 40 man roster. Plus some of the prospects are already hitting 24-25 yrs old.
DanMizer
Yankees need a legit shut down starter – why aren’t we reading about them going after a Darvish- yes he has been struggling but he is still a top 20 arm and will cost less than a controllable hit or miss Gray.
And with some money coming off the books – CC and I believe Arod etc… they might be one of the few teams that can offer a Strasburg like deal to Darvish and lock up a lights out (most of the time) ace.
DanMizer
My point – a one game wild card – having darvish go will give the yanks a better shot moving onto the division series where a best a 5 anything can happen. Not comfortable at all with anyone now or Gray going into a 1 game elimination
Bklyn38
Neshek trade should set the bar for what an Addison Reed return should look like. Three prospects with one of them being around the high teens/low 20’s mark on that team’s prospect list.
kleppy12
I think if the Twins can flip Garcia for a better prospect they should do it whether they stay in the race or not. If they could manage to get a SP that’s somewhat close to the majors that would be ideal, even if they need to include someone else. Honestly if I was the Twins I would look to package Garcia and Dozier and try and get a higher end prospect out of it since I feel like Escobar could probably come close to matching Dozier’s offensive out put and would be just as good, if not better, defensively. That would give you Santana, Berrios, and the SP you acquired going into next year, make one decent FA signing and you actually have a rotation for the first time in years. Add that to their offensive which is getting close to being really good and you might just be able to start contending for division crowns and WS runs.
draushaus
I can’t believe that baseball considers Addison Reed overworked! 48 innings on the year?? High schoolers get more than that in a season that lasts only a month. Wilbur Wood is somewhere laughing his butt off at today’s notion of “overworked”.
Macho King OG
Torres and Frazier are untouchable. I’d say that Sheffield is untouchable. Adams maybe can be had though. It seems like the Yankees aren’t as high on him, and don’t see him as a solution this year. I think they sell high on him. IMO the trade for Gray includes Adams and, Mateo, and a couple of A ball players.