There’s “increasing buzz” that the Rangers will listen to offers on top starters Yu Darvish and Cole Hamels if they don’t open the second half of the season with strong play, tweets ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick. It’s been previously reported that the Rangers will hold onto Darvish even if they fall out of the race, so that’d represent something of a change of mindset for GM Jon Daniels & Co. Darvish is set to hit the open market at season’s end, so if the Rangers are out of the race and don’t trade him, they run the risk of losing him to free agency (though he’d obviously receive and reject a qualifying offer, affording Texas some draft compensation). Hamels, meanwhile, hasn’t been listed as a potential trade target to date. He’s earning $23.5MM this year and next, and he’s owed at least $6MM as the buyout on a $20MM club option for the 2019 campaign. That contract and a bizarrely low strikeout rate (4.9 K/9) could complicate Hamels’ market, though he’s shown recent improvement with 12 strikeouts in his past 14 1/3 innings of work.
More trade chatter from around the league…
- The Marlins have told other clubs that they’re ready to sell off assets, a rival executive tells Bleacher Report’s Scott Miller. According to Miller, the Marlins have spoken to more than 10 teams about right-hander David Phelps, and there are two or three clubs that are showing “serious” interest in closer AJ Ramos. “They’re working on it and talking to clubs,” the exec tells Miller. “But the conversations always end with one caveat, that they don’t know that the owner won’t bail at the last minute.” Miller adds that Giancarlo Stanton isn’t likely to move until the Marlins accept that they won’t get someone to take his salary and give prospects back. The industry feeling is that it’d have to be almost a straight salary dump. (Stanton can also veto any deal via his no-trade clause.) Miller’s column features a look at all 30 teams and their possible deadline course as well.
- Sonny Gray, Justin Verlander and Gerrit Cole are available in trades, writes Jon Morosi of MLB.com, but the Athletics, Tigers and Pirates have each set a lofty asking price. Perhaps more interestingly, Morosi adds that the Braves have said right-hander Julio Teheran isn’t available, though he’s reportedly been drawing interest and others (including David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports) have said that Atlanta would at least consider offers. In addition to that overview of the market for pitchers, Morosi runs down a position-by-position preview of the market for bats.
- Heyman reports that there’s little to no genuine interest in Justin Verlander at this time due to his huge contract and underwhelming numbers. Furthermore, he notes that due to Verlander’s status as a legend in Detroit, they can’t accept an underwhelming return and effectively signal to Tigers fans that his trade was a salary dump. There’s also very little interest in Ian Kinsler, according to Heyman, as the he’s struggled in 2017 and few teams are on the hunt for second base help. He adds that Alex Avila, J.D. Martinez and Justin Wilson are all drawing strong interest, however, so GM Al Avila should make some deals in the next 18 days.
- In his weekly AL Notes column, Heyman reports that with few top starters left on the market, the Astros may instead pursue high-end bullpen help in an effort to shorten the game and load up the relief corps for the postseason. Unsurprisingly, their list of targets would include Zach Britton, if he’s available. (Most clubs in the league would perk up at the notion of acquiring a healthy Britton.)
- Heyman also notes that Braves left-hander Jaime Garcia is one rental pitcher that interests the Royals. On the subject of Kansas City, he also notes that while the team does have interest in Marlins second baseman Dee Gordon, K.C. would want Miami to pay down some of the roughly $41MM remaining on Gordon’s contract, which the Fish aren’t willing to do. The same is true of the Angels and Blue Jays, he adds, both of whom like the player but not his current salary.
- Meanwhile, in his NL Notes column, Heyman writes that the Reds are believed to be willing to listen to offers on closer Raisel Iglesias but would only move him for a package that would “blow them away.” The 27-year-old Iglesias has emerged as one of baseball’s best relievers and is controllable through the 2020 season. He’s affordable at the moment ($3.5MM in 2017), but his contract allows him to opt into arbitration once eligible, so his salary is going to balloon quite a bit between now and 2020. Heyman also notes that the Reds would be interested in a two- or possibly three-year deal with Zack Cozart but recognize that he can earn more than they’re willing to pay when he gets to free agency.
- The Yankees, Nationals, Dodgers, Cubs, Brewers, Royals, Angels and Mariners could all be in the mix for lefty Brad Hand, Heyman reports. Regarding the Dodgers, Heyman and Robert Murray report that San Diego asked Los Angeles for top prospect Alex Verdugo in return, though there’s “no likelihood” of L.A. meeting that price. The Padres are also getting calls on cheap starters Trevor Cahill, Clayton Richard and Jhoulys Chacin, each of whom inked a one-year deal worth $1.75MM this past offseason.
AZPat
The D’backs sure could use Cozart.
laswagn
Who would the dbacks give up?
bigturtlemachine
How about Taylor Clarke and Jared Miller?
sidewinder11
Not really? Owings has been solid this year and Ahmed will be back before playoffs start. No need to sell off what’s left of the farm system for a rental player that isn’t even needed. DBacks need relievers more.
ukhalo
What possible need do the Angels have for Hand?
ReverieDays
No clue. They don’t even have the prospects to get him considering the likely asking price.
angels fan 3
Yeah they do but not many but hand is not worth trading them for.
padresfan
They don’t have what it takes to even get hand
outinleftfield
I don’t know why the Angels would want Hand considering they have much bigger holes, but here goes.
The Angels don’t have that top 50-100 impact prospect that most are saying will headline a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 trade for Hand, but maybe Jones, Thaiss and Barria would get the trade done. No impact prospects, but 3 good prospects.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
That doesn’t seem to be Preller’s style. I don’t see him taking that over anyone else’s offer for Hand
cmancoley
I would much rather see the Halos go for a cheaper lefty reliever like Tony Watson who would probably only cost us Chris Rodriguez and Paredes for him. Maybe even Felipe Rivero
angels fan 3
Yeah they do
Zico
No chance that Rivero is traded anytime soon. If he is, it’ll be a large package you won’t like.
sprado1065
I know right lol
dodgerfan711
The Angels have the most valuable trade piece in all of baseball and nothing else. Jo Adell is the only valuable prospect they have but there is 0 chance they trade him with their barren farm system
padresfan
His name is mike Trout
Don’t think they can trade Adele yet even if they wanted too
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
So hello from the other siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide!
MB923
Hahaha
padresfan
Auto correct fool
kiwimlbfan
Don’t get mad, that was clever. It doesn’t auto correct AFTER you press “post comment”
Priggs89
Not to mention they can’t trade him yet.
*padresfan beat me to it
dodgerfan711
They can have him in a trade but it must be a PTBNL and he wont officially go to the new team until the world series ends. But they wont want to trade him anyways
Priggs89
Based on my understanding, I’m pretty positive that’s not allowed anymore…
padresfan
U can think nationals, padres for that
padresfan
Thank
southi
Sorry dodgerfan711 that isn’t true anymore. Players recently drafted and signed can only be dealt after the World Series.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Not allowed anymore. The Trea Turner rule closed that loophole.
padam
Correct. Trea Turner is a recent example.
Whyamihere
in order to be a ptbnl, you have to be eligible to be traded at the time of the trade. this has changed since Turner was traded
padresfan
Padres don’t want any of that horrible astros farm. That’s like saying the Os have a farm that could get something
padresfan
Os farm not astros
Astros got some good pieces in there
billysbballz
And you know this because?????
Ross Hutch
Agreed, why would they trade for anyone in their farm… all you have to do is wait 5 yrs and you could get the 2 players that are good in free agency or in a trade fir crappy prospects… thats all the A’s are good for now…
arc89
Dumbest comment of the day. Please name the A’s players that teams wanted at the trade deadline that became free agents? Reddick? No traded. Kazmir? no traded Zorbbist? no traded Clippard? no traded Get my point the A’s traded away players close to being a free agent. They received good players in exchange for them. Padres will do the same thing like most teams.
Richard K
Because he sounds well informed the stros farm is loaded and by the way 60 wins from some of those farm hands is no joke so San diego what? Your team is on the right path with youth but make no mistake your farm has a long way to go to be on the level of the stros.
I Believe We Can Win
Whitley, Moran or Davis, and Nova would be a good package for Hand from the Astros farm. Astros have more than enough to deal for Hand.
billysbballz
Your amazing pal. You just went on MLB.com prospect watch and if you click on the Stros you’ll see Whitley #3, right below his photo is Moran #7, right below his photo is Davis #11, and for good measure you demand the #18 in Nova. You my friend are hysterical. Boom, you been outed as a major playa in the fantasy arm chair wanna beeee GM contest. That’s awesome pal.
So getting back to Hand, you want the Stros to give you their #3, 7, 11, and 18th best prospect for Hand! For HAND!
Hand!!!!!!!!!
Pitching in the NL pitchers park finally putting up decent numbers the past 2 years and you want the Astros 3/7/11/18.
Ok, done, where do the Stros sign up for this great deal?
I Believe We Can Win
Do you not know what the word OR means? It means pick one OR the other LOL. That’s classic. Amazing. I can’t believe 3 people liked your comment and were dumb enough to miss me saying OR while you put AND. That’s amazing give yourselves a hand people. OR =/= AND. LOL wow. I can’t believe you don’t know what OR means.
I didn’t think I’d have to do this, but just for you being unable to understand what OR means I will.
Whitley, Davis, Nova OR OR OR OR OR OR Whitley, Moran, Nova.
#3, #7 #18 OR OR OR OR OR OR OR OR #3, #11, #18. LOL
Please, learn what the word OR means before commenting next time.
padresfan
Yeah I meant angels and Os my phone changed it
I Believe We Can Win
Man, I really wish I could see the 3 other people who apparently don’t know what the word OR means like billydumbellz here. Classic LOL.
Me: Hey the Astros #3, #11, #18 would work OR #3, #7, #18 would work also
Billydumbbellz: YOU WANT ALL FAWR OF #3, #7 #11 #18!!?!?!?!
Seriously, just classic that someone doesn’t know what OR means. I can’t stop laughing. Definitely sharing this on 4chan and reddit.
Raptors Rampage
Billydumbbellz and fawr haha.
stymeedone
Just because they weren’t A’s when they became free agents, doesn’t change that they did become FA’s. Reddick signed a FA contract., as did Kazmir, Zobrist, and Clippard. None signed extensions.
seth3120
Yeah you gotta be bad for a long time to get on the Stros level. You’re bad but not bad enough. You want that number one draft pick superstar you gotta bear down and watch your team get obliterated night in and night out. If you notice a veteran out performing expectations let him build some trade value as long as the other players are bad enough to where you can continue to lose every night. Don’t let the veteran spread his winning attitude becoming a cancer and destroying the future of the club but if he can do his thing quietly while others hit around the Mendoza line then obviously we can flip him for future prospects
Kylesamac
There is no way in frozen hell the Astros waste four prospects on a reliver like Hand. Especially considering that is a position of strength for them.
mstrchef13
What does the miserable Orioles’ farm system have to do with this conversation?
I Believe We Can Win
LOL my god man how many ways can you f up a comment?
#3, #7, #18 OR #3, #11, #18
Thats not 4 prospects thats not 3 of the 4 prospects. You dont know what OR means, you dont know what 3 of the 4 means- 3 of the 4 also includes possibility of #7, #11, #18. Seriously what else dont you know?
Hey billy if looking at guys pics is your thing its 2017 safe to come out of the closet man. Dont need to be ashamed anymore.
AvidAstrosFan
Ouch, that’s a high price to pay. How long does Hand have before FA?
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
FA after 2019
Richard K
Yeah that is a shame because Trout needs help but all that money they have tied to Pujols and others sure put them in a corner.
ryanw-2
The Angels have about $160 million left on their payroll after the Pujols contract. The catastrophic injuries to their young rotation is what’s holding them down right now. They could easily be getting 3-5 WAR from Richards, and 2-3 from Heaney and Skaggs. In a normal year without the Astros playing video game baseball, having those three healthy would have them at or near the top of the AL West, and likely holding a WC spot. And that’s before factoring in where they’d be if they just had at least average seasons from Valbuena and Espinosa. Albert’s contract is a poor excuse.
seth3120
Near the top of the al west? Nope
MahatmaGagne
The Angels are pitifull, with no farm system or help on the way .they should trade Mike Trout and others by not only getting mlb talent but a boatload of prospects, and future #1 picks to start a rebuild. The team taking on Trout should also take all the bad contracts as well. (Pujols, Hamilton)
Then they should invest highly on the International market for more young talent. Should follow the Dodgers model? They are terrible. If they do a rebuild now, then they can spend on Harper, Machado etc……I understand “we donlt want to be the team that traded Mike Trout”, but cmmon the future is bleak.
The Angels are going to be bad for a long time and I do not understand their overall ratioanale. Just look at what the White Sox are doing, they will be relevant in no time.
seth3120
I totally agree with you on the Angels Dodger Blue. Maybe you have a hatred for them being a Dodger fan but that doesn’t make your point any less valid. The Angels are pretenders every year and their future looks even worse. If their plan to fix the farm system by simply using the picks they have without going outside the organization this is going to be one hell of a long rebuilding process. I can understand how hard it might be to trade a guy like Trout. But if you hadn’t been so obsessed with overpaying to steal others stars maybe you wouldn’t be in this position. Not only were they throwing money out like crazy on Pujols and Hamilton they were also losing their first round picks to their former teams. Every other organization had changed from the old way of thinking but them and they are paying for that now big time. I don’t know what the return for Trout would look like but I’d bet it would be unlike anything we’ve seen before. Some people will say you don’t trade a sure hall of fame star like that. But I know for certain they won’t win anything of any significance for a very very long time without doing something. They have nobody else that would bring back any real return. The system must have a jump start. My guess is they’ll try to fix it in free agency and overpay like they have in the past in dollars and in years and not only still suck now but mortgage their future again by having all those players at the end of those contracts not contributing. Even the Yankees and Dodgers with their big payroll capabilities understand the huge role a farm system plays in filling your own roster either by making their way through the minors to the majors or by being used as trade assets to bring in major league talent from the outside. You cannot fix it without a farm system it simply cannot be done
MahatmaGagne
I am a Dodgers fan but have no ill will to the Angels at all, just being realistic. It has been bad luck that some of the high priced free agents that they acquired did not help. (Wilson, Hamilton)…….but the blueprint has been set by the Cubs in 2012. Their international scouting brought in quality young prospects, great drafing and some clever spending on some big free agents. In three years they won 97 games, winning it all the next year and their core is set and while their system is somewhat depleted now, they can retool it over the next few years so they are in perfect position to contend for years. Their cross town rivals seem to have jumped on that bandwagon, they have some young potential core players with (pitching & positional),
Trout would be a realistic boost for a four-year plan because they will spend on free-agents after as well but they need to develop players in their farm system. to lessen the blows of some injuries. Adding an influx of talent will make a more realistic view four years from now than how they are currently structured. No way they are winning anything in four years now. Trading for young blue chip prospects, future #1 draft pics, plus young controllable mlb roster players and salary relief will only allow them to grow quickly. Even a three team trade to sweeten the prospect or talent pool in the trade should be done. I believe if you are going to trade Mike Trout, it has to be an unprecedented trade in favor of the Angels. They should set the bar high and get the world back. If you want Trout, you have to eat all Hamilton and Pujols contracts as a starterthen, blue chip prospects (3 to 4), plus one/two mlb roster players (young, controllable) plus future #1 picks for 3 years,
The Angels have young pitching but they have been hurt, but which team doesnt go through unfortunate injuries. (Urias) for the Dodgers. The depth of a farm system and quality development to the big club is what matters most. I agree with you Seth, it needs to start with their minor league system.
start_wearing_purple
Hand has a year and a half or two and a half years of control left (can’t remember which), so he’d be more of an acquisition for the future. As we’ve seen lately, a strong bullpen can make a major difference.
halos101
yeah doesn’t make much sense to me either. Bullpens not the issue
petersdylan36
There we go again. This time from Millers article on bleacher report. First off, it says the Rangers are buyers when a lot are pointing at them as selling off some pieces. Second, He says the Rangers would like to have Brad Hand and then followed that up with Preller being in love with Profar.
Stop with Profar to Padres! he doesn’t have much value at all.
I understand Hand will get something nice back, nothing huge. But he is worth more than Profar.
madmanTX
Not really.
petersdylan36
I’m not saying he is worth what Chapman or Miller got last year.. I won’t expect anything close to that.
But he is worth much more than Profar. Why trade for someone with the same or less time left on contract and for someone who hasn’t put up huge numbers and has been injured?
He is worth more than Profar and that is pretty much accepted everywhere.
halos101
hand is worth more than profane
halos101
profar*, sorry.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Except he is. They have the same amount of team control left and Hand had contributed way more than Profar over the past 2 years. The only argument for Profar is his former top prospect status. But that was almost 5 years ago. At the end of the day, Profar is what he is at this point.
padresfan
Profar really? Ain’t going to happen
You’d have to add in some quality over that with profar as the extra
A'sfaninUK
I kind of want to see Profar to the White Sox, just to see all the big name prospects on the same team.
padresfan
He ain’t a prospect anymore
A'sfaninUK
Right but he was a #1 recently and is still under 24 and not established in MLB. He needs a change of scenery anyway.
Priggs89
I’d happily take him for basically nothing.
padresfan
And struggles in the MLB
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I want to see that just so people can shut up about Profar to the Padres.
However, the Sox traded a pitcher with more control than Profar has for prospects just this morning so I doubt they are interested in Profar.
outinleftfield
Hand will get a huge return. A top 50-100 prospect to headline the deal, plus 1-2 other good prospects.
Profar only has 2 more seasons of team control and because he has played so poorly since returning from 2 years lost to injuries, he wouldn’t be the headliner in a deal with the Rangers, he would be the throw in. I am pretty sure the Rangers are not willing to give up Taveras or Mendez, so maybe something like Guzman, Tejada and Profar for Hand?
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Or how about Guzman, Tejada and something other than Profar for Hand then two years from now we just sign Profar away from the Rangers?
jackt
Yu to the Crew?!?!?!
pdubs2907
Very doubtful
petersdylan36
I wouldn’t mind seeing Stanton to the Padres. They have the money to spend on him, they have an outfield spot open for him, he makes Myers, Refroe, and Hedges better, and he will still be with the team when they are good in a few years.
Crazy idea, but if its a salary dump, then no high end prospects would be sent back and an outfield of Stanton, Margot, and Renfroe would be great.
The only thing holding it up would be his NTC
laswagn
Padres need to change the deminssions of that ball park. Only then will they attract good offense through FA
beersy
What the Padres need to do is stop changing the dimensions of Petco Park. How can they ever “build a team” for their park, if they are constantly changing it? Not to mention, good hitters on opposing teams don’t have an issue with the dimensions at Petco.
Priggs89
I’m sure it helps when they’re basically facing a AAA starting staff (even that may be a little generous right now).
CNichols
There are 10 teams with worse starting rotation ERAs than the Padres. Its obviously not a good rotation, but it doesn’t suck nearly as much as people think.
For how cheaply it was assembled I think its overachieved a lot and the trade chatter around those back-end starters is proof of that.
beersy
Over the life of Petco other teams have hit well there, good pitching staffs or not. It is the sub-standard Padre hitters that make the park look bad. Adrian Gonzalez hit 40 home runs playing 81 games at Petco, the best hitter the Padres have had since they opened Petco.
petersdylan36
That’s funny. For the longest time the Padres had really good pitching staffs because of the ballpark but they have moved in the walls quite a bit and the pitching staff over the last three years has gone into the dumpster. But that might also be a Bud Black factor.
I can still dream for Stanton playing there though 🙂
padresfan
They did. It’s very fair playing now. They moved the right field in about 35 feet center in about 20 feet power alley is down about 20 feet as well
JackDanielsGhost
Not mention since they added the massive video board in left, it’s really changed the way the ball flys. Much more fair now
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
That’s gonna be a hard “No”
outinleftfield
That is a huge contract for a small market team like the Padres. Stanton starts making $25 million next season and from 2021-2026 they would be paying 30% of their payroll to one player.
Maybe Yellich would be a better fit payroll-wise?
SixFlagsMagicPadres
The Padres have already had enough bad experiences with big albatross contracts. They don’t need to add another one to the pile.
Henduland
Gray should net a top prospect like Brinson or Frazier and another top 100. A deal like Frazier and Chance Adams should be the minimum for Gray.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Sonny Gray going to the Brewers would be perfect.
The Pirates would be very unlikely to deal Cole there, but his value to the Astros or other contenders would increase greatly if/when Gray is off the market.
Henduland
Brinson and Luis Ortiz for Sonny.
A'sfaninUK
Offer Brinson, Phillips & Ray and Beane gift wraps Sonny to Milwaukee to play with his bros Sogard & Vogt.
Henduland
I think the A’s will at least want one pitching prospect back, but I can see Beane asking for that package.
chitown311
White Sox set the bar at what a cost controlled SP requires via trade
Henduland
Yes, they did. Thanks Chisox!
dust44
I can’t c the Yanks go after a Sonny Gray who can’t stay healthy. Especially if he Costs Frazier and Adams. That’s more then the white Sox just got for Quintana who’s better then Gray
Henduland
The Cubs gave up a top 10 prospect and a top 100 prospect for Quintana. Gray is going to require at least two top 100 prospects, and one of them has to be a good talent like Frazier or Brinson. Remember, the A’s don’t have to move Gray. Beane isn’t going to give him away for a couple A ball lottery tickets.
billysbballz
But but but, I rather have Frazier right now then Eloy and I rather have Adams then Cease based on the fact that they are both major league ready. So you want a better return from the Yanks then what the Cubs got for Quintana is what your sayin. Pass! Next.
Wait… Hows about we give you Abreu and Jake Cave plus Austin and Ref.
Deal?
Henduland
Hahaha, No,
Eloy is a higher rated prospect than Frazier. It’s the potential ceiling, not the floor.
Stop thinking the Yankees are going to get Gray for low end prospects and utility players.
MahatmaGagne
The A’s arent going to get close to the Quintana deal especially a deal starting with Brinson.
Henduland
Then Gray stays on the A’s if other GMs are cheapskates. The A’s aren’t giving him away and have no reason trade him this July.
jimmyz
The last 2.5 years are pretty good reasons to trade Gray now. He certainly isn’t helping his stock that much and if injuries or middling production happen again next season then he becomes just another piece of the rebuild the A’s need to happen instead of a big cog to jumpstart the rebuild.
Kylesamac
Beane sticks to whatever evaluation he wants in a return regardless of the market trends. Odds are he gets traded for less than what Quintana went for because beane wants guys in his system sooner rather than later.
Priggs89
Um… No, it’s probably not.
darkstar61
“That’s more then the white Sox just got for Quintana who’s better then Gray”
More teams are looking for a pitcher like Gray/Q/Archer/etc than number of such pitchers exist
The fact one was taken off the board, and by a team which was not thought to be included heavily in the expected bidding war to boot, it merely strengthens or raises the cost of the ones to follow
If Gray is to be dealt now, I wouldn’t be all that shocked if Oak expected the same or even higher return.
Henduland
Exactly. Deadline deals always work this way. Fans just get attached to their prospects. I wouldn’t be shocked if Beane and Cashman worked on some kind of mega deal involving at least Gray and Madsen for Frazier, Adams and some depth prospects.
Yankee fans are delusional if they think something like Andujar and Acevedo nets a proven starter like Sonny Gray. Beane isn’t going to help Cashman beat Boston out of the goodness of his heart.
arc89
Why does Andujar name keep coming up to the A’s by yank fans? 1. the A’s do not need a 3B because they Chapman who is better. A’s do need OF help that is close to ready.
Henduland
Because Yankee fans have the mentality that they can get a #2 starter for low end prospects.
billysbballz
Maybe there is confusion, buy you keep posting unrealistic trade proposals and maybe the Yankee fans are just saying nahhhhhh. Not interested. Pass! Why get upset about that? Ill counter your offer since I really don’t want Gray on the Yankees because of his yearly injury concerns. If I was the Yankee GM I propose to you Mr. Beane, I send you Acevedo (one of our top pitching prospects) and 3 fillers in Refsnyder, Austin, and Cave. Now you can say know but thats my counter to your offer. Say no and shop him somewhere else then, just don’t get angry over it. That’s how the free market works. But like I said Im not the GM but I highly doubt the Yanks give you the return your requesting for a pitcher who can’t stay healthy.
pdubs2907
Aren’t you kinda proving his point tho since there’s zero chance the A’s would do that deal?
A'sfaninUK
Quintana isn’t absolutely better than Gray though, and Gray has a half a run better FIP than Q this season.
Q: career 3.52 ERA 3.51 FIP
Gray: career 3.49 ERA 3.61 FIP
Not to mention Gray costs about $15-20M less than Q.
Codybellingersgrandma
Cody bellinger for yu darvish?
start_wearing_purple
The Dodgers laugh hilariously while hanging up the phone.
socalblake
+ 1
GeauxRangers
Agreed
Codybellingersgrandma
How about Cody Bellinger for Gray?
dodgerfan711
How about Cody Bellinger for Mike Pelfrey?
MahatmaGagne
How funny, the Padres asked for Verdugo in a Hand deal…….crazy Padres
Maybe Calhoun…..but VERDUGO…….Proeller been drinking some spiked Cool-Aid
Henduland
If Friedman and Zaidi are dumb enough to make that trade, then Beane will do it in a second.
LADreamin
Zaidi is smarter than Beane. We’re keeping our blue chip prospects. We’ll trade out of our #5-30 for a lockdown BP lefty.
Henduland
If Zaidi is smarter than Beane, why isn’t he running his own team? He basically has the same job as in Oakland, but with an added title. Friedman makes the final call.
dodgerfan711
Friedman has the final say but Zaidi does a lot of heavy work. It was Zaidi who wanted them to trade for Chris taylor and grant dayton. Zaidi is no slouch
Henduland
I agree. Zaidi knows his stuff. But he doesn’t run a club like Beane or Friedman.
A'sfaninUK
LAD traded 3 top 100 prospects for 2 rentals from OAK last deadline. Not sure if that means Zaidi is smarter than Beane, kind of implies the opposite.
dodgerfan711
Cotton was never a top 100 and all 3 prospects they traded have struggled mightily this year while Hill was been fantastic for the dodgers….
dodgerfan711
hill has been *
MahatmaGagne
I’m a Dodger fan and can say Hill hasnt been fantastic…..His first 8 starts couldn’t pitch over 5 innings,, bad control/blisters/inconsitency people were calling for head already.
His last 4 starts have been solid….3 straight outings of 7 innings pitched and a 5 inning outing against the Mets
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
What Hill does for the Dodgers this year has no bearing on the trade. They didn’t trade for 3 years of Hill. They traded for 2 months of Hill. Period. Then they signed Hill to a 3 year deal in free agency. Period. They would have signed him even without the trade.
dodgerfan711
Ok fine. Hill pitched good last year and performed well in the playoffs. Cotton and montas have been hit hard in the MLB and Holmes is gettong lit up at AA. how was it a bad deal?
Henduland
Holmes is 21 and pitching in AA ball. That’s rare for a starting pitching prospect. He’s not getting lit up either, just inconsistent. Come back in 2 years to evaluate the deal.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
You can already evaluate it. Dodgers gave those guys up for basically nothing. Them signing Hill doesn’t change that.
dodgerfan711
Hill was an easy cost guy and figured he would sign somewhere east after the season. His time with the dodgers in 16 may have helped him re sign. So it does mean something.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
No it didn’t. They outbid everyone else for him. They would have signed him anyway.
stymeedone
no, it simply implies one team was contending and the other team was competing.
outinleftfield
For how many games? Hill has 95 IP over 18 games since the trade at the end of July last season. That’s only 5 1/3 IP per start. Doesn’t matter how good you are when you only take the mound half the games and then don’t go past the 6th.
dodgerfan711
3 straight games hill has gone 7. your trolling is weak. He is doing exactly what they paid him to do
davidcoonce74
You aren’t paying any attention to what the Dodgers are doing. They’re limiting the innings of every pitcher not named Kershaw. Their starting rotation is on pace to have just one pitcher with enough innings to qualify for the ERA title. This is by design; this is why they have 7-8 starting pitchers on their roster. They are using the 10-day DL exactly the way it was designed for, to turn a 25-man roster into a 27-28 man roster.
Because they have guys who rest high in the injury matrix – Hill, Maeda, Wood, McCarthy and Ryu if – they’re going to baby them through the season to make sure they have a healthy staff for the postseason.
MahatmaGagne
I want Alex Anthopoulos to manuever a trade for the Dodgers like in how he assembled the trade package for Josh Donaldson
BlueSkyLA
How about you for a bucket of warm spit?
How long before we’d want our spit back?
parman4818
Yu Darvish,Roughned Odor and Jeremy Jeffress for Alex Verdugo,Willie Calhoun and Walker Buehler
LADreamin
18 years of cost controlled blue chip talent for .5 of an ace, an ok 2B and a head case? No thanks
dodgerfan711
I dont know why people think the dodgers need a 2B. They have plenty of good options already.
halos101
you think all 3 of those prospects are blue chip??
A'sfaninUK
None of those Dodgers prospects are blue chip. Calhoun can’t even play defense, he’s a DH.
LADreamin
None? Yeah, you should stop posting. Calhoun plays average defense with an above average bat. If you want to wade through semantics, he would be the one I wouldn’t call elite. The other two are most certainly blue chip prospects. Verdugo is torching Triple A pitching at 21 years old and plays a premium CF with a canon arm. Buehler is a top of the rotation prospect with plus plus stuff. I don’t see how your argument carries weight.
Eric518
All 3 appear on the midseason top 100 lists (BA/BP) with Buehler and Verdugo sitting top 50. Pretty much what I think of as blue chip.
A'sfaninUK
I view blue chips as top 25, guess I should have said that in my post.
Eric518
Fair enough if that’s how you define it. I will point out that Buehler does fall in the top 20 in both publication rankings I mentioned before.
TrueOutcomeFan
Jeffress is an alcoholic. He has a disease. That doesn’t make him a head case.
saavedra
I wonder which team will budge first for Hand’s services. The asking price might seem high, but there is a lot of demand.
CNichols
There is a lot of interest, but a lot of those teams listed don’t match up well. If they’re trying to trade Hand in a 1 for 1 swap for a top 100 prospect (which is what is seems like the Padres want to do) the Angels, Cubs, and Royals would all be out because they don’t have the prospects to do that.
I don’t think the Dodgers would be willing to give up a top prospect to someone in the division either.
outinleftfield
The Padres are going to get a top 50-100 prospect as the headliner and at least one other good prospect, a guy you see in all the top 20 lists for that team.
From what we have seen, Preller has been willing to do a 1-1 trade for an elite prospect like Torres. instead of 2-3 prospects headlined by a top 50 player. More quality instead of quantity.
Verdugo would not fit that description of an elite prospect and from what we have read, the Padres wanted Verdugo plus. I would not want the O’s to trade a prospect that close to the majors to a team in the AL East just so he could come back and play them 17 times a year for the next 5-6 years. I am sure that has to go into any decisions the Dodgers brass are making too.
LADreamin
Padres haven’t traded for an elite prospect unless you count Espinoza and everyone knows Boston got fleeced because they needed starting pitching. I doubt they get the type of return they’re looking for when they trade Hand. He’s no Aroldis Chapman so why does Preller want a Chapman-type return?
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Preller’s probably just using that as a bargaining tactic. Starting high and working his way down so the team can still land a pretty good prospect. I think if he does a 1 for 1 swap, he’s going to want to make sure he’s getting back something of quality.
CNichols
Verdugo seems pretty elite…. BA ranks him as the 35th best prospect in the game. He’s also 21 and absolutely mashing in AAA, that elevates his value because he’s essentially ready for MLB action immediately.
Espinoza was ranked about 20th when the Padres got him for Pomeranz, I guess you could quibble about where “elite” starts and stops but in my opinion when they’re asking about Verdugo its probably in a 1 for 1 swap, he has more trade value than Espinonza did and honestly I’d be really satisfied with that deal if I were Preller.
youknowit
BS. Espinoza is overrated but people were saying he was the best pitching prospect and baseball and Red Sox fans cried he’s the next Pedro. I’ll give you Verdugo is a premium prospect but nobody thinks best hitter in the game. He’s a guy with inflated AAA numbers the Dodgers are claiming is worth more than an allstar making under 2m, please.
darkstar61
“Heyman also notes that Braves left-hander Jaime Garcia is one rental pitcher that interests…”
We haven’t really seen rumors from the Indians (or at least that I noticed), but we all know they will do at least something – I have a feeling this might be one of their targets
padresfan
Haha no
Maybe if they traded him 2-3 years ago
Gnotorious
Garcia to KC for Khalie Lee..
southi
The Royals don’t have a great farm system but Lee looks like the type of flawed but talented prospect Garcia might fetch.
Cardinals17
The Cardinals sure could use Stanton !!!!!!!
Random Thoughts...
Every team could use Stanton, just not that contract!!!
yankees25
Im kinda disappointed everybody else didnt get traded today after Quintana got dealt
padresfan
The buying teams have to rethink the outcomes bc of that out of nowhere bombshell
GeauxRangers
Houston and the Rangers match up well for a Darvish trade IMO
dug
I would imagine JD would want a big over pay from Houston because of their rivalry. But who knows, the 2 Chicagos got together today.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Why would JD want a big overpay from them? Houston has more to lose. Texas only had to watch Darvish pitch for Houston for two months and the Astros run the risk of facing their former prospects with the Rangers for 6+ years. Pretty sure if the Astros make the best offer they won’t take a worse one from someone else.
dug
I think I stated because of their rivalry… Obviously if Houston makes the best offer they wouldn’t take a lesser one. I was simply saying the Astros price starts higher than everyone else’s.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Their price starts at the same place as everyone else’s
Ross Hutch
Astros will end up with DeGrom.. might give up a little too much, but it’s worth it to get that ring….
yankees25
I’d be suprised if the Mets even think about trading DeGrom
slider32
Mets should trade Matz and keep deGrom and Syndergaard. Matz is injury prone with enough upside to get them a good position player. Matz to the Cubs for Happ or Baez.
MahatmaGagne
If the Mets dangle DeGrom, I want the Dodgers all over that
slider32
de Grom would bring all the big dogs out.
padresfan
Then the doyuers would be all in. Anything of top value will be gone
Wainofan
What about yelich and Stanton for Kelly, weaver and piscotty? Cards take on all of Stantons contract, so marlins dump salary and cards get big bats for middle of lineup?
Marlins begin rebuild and cards have carpenter, fowler, yelich, Stanton, gyorko, yadi, Diaz and Wong for a lineup
MahatmaGagne
I say three team trade, only if Marlins take bout 7-10 million a year salary on the life of Stantons contract…….Dodgers send OF Puig to the Brewers-Brewers send OF Ray, SS Isian Diaz to Marlins. Dodgers send OF Verdugo, 2b Calhoun and P Oaks to Marlins.
Marlins get salary relief for new owners + 2 top 50 midseason prospects + 2 top 100 prospects plus P Oaks. Brewers get OF Yasiel Puig (Cost controlled player Brewers want), Braun only played in 40 games + have surplus of OF’s in farm system that they can trade for a pitcher.(too bad Cubs got Quintana) most likely go after Sonny Gray now. Dodgers get Stanton plus $70-100 million over life of Stanton contract.
outinleftfield
You are right that to get a good return for Stanton and his bloated contract the Marlins will have to pay some of it.
Puig is not even close to enough going to the Brewers and he is only cost controlled for 2 seasons.
What is going to the Marlins is too much. 4 top 100 prospects plus? No way.
jameyc
even if the marlins pay some of that salary they aren’t getting a top tier prospect return. a smart team will point to the length and amount of the contract and say take these guys or leave it, regardless if the marlins pay a portion of it. now mind you, they will get some good prospects,,just not top prospects AND relief from stanton’s huge, bloated contract. plus the marlins aren’t in the driver’s seat for this one,,it’s more a salary dump than anything else. that contract is killing them,,,,,now if they package yelich as well now youre looking at the top prospects they want………phillies might work.
baseballdeez
Brewers get 2yrs of Puig for preseason Top 30 Ray and Top 60 Diaz? No
Brewers have Braun, Broxton, Santana (24yrs old hitting 290 with 880 OPS). Top 15 Brinson and ex-Top 100 Phillips are MLB ready plus they have Cordell almost ready who’s floor is a solid 4th OF. The Brewers didn’t want Puig he was a salary dump with McCarthy but also young enough to turn it around then get flipped. That was before Broxton and Santana solidified themselves this year as starters
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
How is Puig a salary dump?
jameyc
dodgers dont want or need.
MahatmaGagne
The Brewers have an influx of OF prospect talent and Braun has played in 43 games this year. Are you going to count on Braun/Brinson/Phillips to carry a playoff push? No, hence you trade for a mlb player like Puig for the stretch run. The Cubs just picked up Quintana and are still looking at Sonny Gray…….if they Brewers want to hold on to their lead without dipping into their system then kiss this year goodbye.. Now that the price for Gray has gone up, the Brewers need to pony up plus he is within thier long term plans (cheap and controllable). If they want to go on the cheap, there is no way they will make the playoffs.
MahatmaGagne
The one thing the Brewers have going for them is that they have a top 5 farm system out of all the contenders besides the Yankees.. They have the talent to help keep them in first place or at least give them a chance to stay there……….a cost controlled Puig and Gray fits right within thier long term plans. JDM would be a rental so he is out. Who will the Brewers pick up?
tombenton
They would want ALOT more than that, add in Reyes and they might talk
slider32
Yanks will go after a controllable ace over the winter, right now they will trade for a relief pitcher since no aces are available.
A'sfaninUK
Going to be screaming laughing when the Yankees trade Frazier & Mateo for Alonso & Madson.
Henduland
That trade is not happening. Alonzo and Madson would probably net something like Adams and Fowler.
A'sfaninUK
Fowler’s career is over.
jameyc
I hate to piss on your parade but that isnt happening,,,maybe you should read the updated trade transactions,,,yankees grabbed a promising 1st baseman for a reliever.
darkstar61
…when did that happen?
All I saw was them picking up a 26yo C- (or worse) graded 1B out of the Brewers system, where he failed to rank in their top-54 prospects according to MinorLeagueBall’s John Sickels
That’s more “minor league filler” though, and not “promising 1st baseman”
A'sfaninUK
darkstar61, perhaps you are unfamiliar with the “Yankees fan thinking every player they have in their entire system is a HOFer” mentality. This post kind of connects those dots for you.
darkstar61
One of them downvoted me because I dared point out a decrease in supply without a subsequent decrease in demand results in stronger to ever higher value for the remaining product in question
…I sadly know full well what to expect from the type
I Believe We Can Win
According to what Yankee fans think theyll give up to acquire Brad Hand you can just take them off the list as possible suitors cause if the Yankees trade anything close to what it will take to acquire Brad Hand- top 100 prospect and 1 or 2 guys in the 9-20 range of the organization- those fans might just burn the stadium to the ground.
Astros- Whitley, Moran, and Nova
Dodgers- Calhoun, Oaks, May
Nationals- Fedde, Kieboom, Watson (who I think Brad Hand will wind up with because of their sheer need for pen help)
Cubs- Candelario, Pardes, Steele
Brewers- Isan Diaz, Ponce, and Burnes
Roughly that is what the Padres are expecting for Brad Hand- if they don’t receive something close to that (again 1 top 100 prospect and 1 or 2 guys in the 9-20 range) they can hold on to Hand until the offseason and trade him like they did Kimbrel.
slider32
Then he’s not getting traded!
I Believe We Can Win
Then we wait till the off season lol. 2 1/2 years of team control remaining. Trading him at the winter meetings still will net them a good return. If he posts back to back 80+ innings of work while maintaining what he’s done since becoming a full time reliever the asking price increases than what it would be currently.
jameyc
he will never produce an andrew miller or chapman type bounty…he is a good pitcher but not on that level,,,,and coming to the AL is a whole different animal.
I Believe We Can Win
Top 100 prospecr and 1 or 2 guys in the 9-20 range is less than the miller chapman returns.
Chapman netted a top 100, a top 15, an mlb reliever with a history of success in NY, and another piece.
Miller netted two top 100 prospects and 2 other guys somewhere between 10-20 at the time.
Hand fetching 1 top 100 and 1-2 guys in the 9-20 range is less than both.
At least know what the yankees received before thinking a top 100 and 1-2 guys 9-20 is the same deal.
CNichols
I don’t know about those proposed deals, I’m a Padres fan and I obviously want as much as possible for Hand, but those all seem like overpays.
I agree the Nats have the most need, so take them for example: Thats an arguably a top 50 prospect in Fedde, plus Kieboom (4th in org) and Watson (14th in org). I think you’re more likely to see a 1 for 1 for a top 50 or a 1 for 2 with the second prospect being a 10-20 or a lotto ticket type. Basically if they’re trading Fedde I don’t see them parting ways with Kieboom too.
Its been said on these boards a million times but the trade comp people should look at is the Will Smith trade. Bickford was a 50-75 type (albeit with some issues) and then Susac was an ML ready fringe player.
I Believe We Can Win
Hand deal will fall somewhere in the middle in between the Chapman/Miller deals and Smith deal. Most likely of those deals the Padres will have to wind up picking between the two other guys. Realistically it’s top 100 and 1 other guy in the 9-20 range for Hand. But Preller is probably asking for 2 to see if someone bites. Those are just names the Padres seem would be targeting.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Yeah I see where you’re coming from. If someone really does get desperate as the deadline gets closer, maybe Preller can squeeze out a little more bang for the buck. Plus, like you said, they always have the option of waiting until the offseason to trade him like they did with Kimbrel.
padreforlife
Preller lol
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Short bus lol
Henduland
Many Yankee fans are delusional and think they can land major league talent for low end prospects at the trade deadline. But if Cashman does a major deal and trades Frazier and Adams, it’ll be an “impact move that didn’t cost the Yankees their top prospects.”
jameyc
the yankees arent trading any of their top level prospects for anyone not named kershaw or trout,,,so not happening.
A'sfaninUK
Hi Jamey, can you say hi to Cashman for us? You apparently work in the FO to be so sure about a thing that literally always happens wont happen this time (top prospects on a contender traded for a MLB talent).
outinleftfield
That is the best breakdown I have seen of what Hand will net the Padres in trade. Great job.
baseballdeez
Brewers aren’t giving that up. Burnes made multiple Top 50 mid-season lists and Diaz should still be a Top 100. Ponce is an org Top 20 rotation arm. Massive overpay for Brewers.
Using the Will Smith trade then the Brewers will give you what they received (Bickford and Susac) lol
Carlos Morris
Hand for Ian Happ?
Priggs89
Joking?
halos101
cubs wouldn’t want that
Carlos Morris
Ok. Then next team please. Meaby Dodgers whith Verdugo
Carlos Morris
Why no?
sdmexicanf00d
Hand for Victor Robles of the Nats or for Mateo and a yankee pitching prospect?
redsfan48
If they’re going to trade Robles for a reliever, I think getting Iglesias is more likely.
jameyc
I am a long time yankee fan and I could see them trading mateo in a hand deal,,,the question would be who is the pitcher? it wouldn’t be montgomery, kapreilien or adams,,,maybe enns, acevedo, abreu?
donnniewore23
You may be a long time Yankee Fan…
………..but OBVIOUSLY not a very smart one!
Do you even know ANYTHING about the kids you’re willing to give up for a mediocre RP?
Do some homework before you post next time.
Signed – “A More Knowledgeable NY YankeeFan” who doesn’t want to trade young prospects for anything but a STUD SP (see Chris Sale deal – not Q or Hand)
donnniewore23
I just pissed in my pants cause I’m laughing so hard!!!!
Are we talking about the same SD RP who had a 5.30era and 1.49whip in 2015 ?????
darkstar61
“Are we talking about the same SD RP who…”
No, Hand was not a RP in 2015, he was a mixed Starter – so it must be someone else you are referring to
The guy he was talking about is this:
203 IP, 3.19 ERA, 1.143 WHIP, 10.0 K/9, 2.90 SO/W – Career as RP
136 IP, 2.71 ERA, 1071 WHIP, 11.3 K/9, 3.49 SO/W – 2016-17 as RP
The 2016-2017 run is good enough for a 2.7 WAR, or the 9th most valuable RP in game
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&…
cozens2017roy
What kind of contract would Stanton get if he was a free agent this offseason?
Priggs89
A very large one – albeit not as large as his current one
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Close to his current one. Marlins need to trade him. Can’t see him not opting out in 3 years.
Letsgoreds1
Not trading Cozart, and instead signing him to an extension, will only hinder the Reds’ future. I know we can’t expect a top prospect from an organization for him, but wouldn’t getting an organization’s top 5, even top 10, prospect be worth more than him walking in free agency? Or even if he played a couple more years for us? I mean he isn’t exactly young anymore and he has never exactly hit this well before…
leprechaun
Robertson and Kahnle to White Sox for Robles it will happen
jdgoat
Lmao
Priggs89
Down vote – from a White Sox fan. Not going to happen. They should be praying they can find a way to pry Soto loose; Robles is going nowhere.
outinleftfield
Isn’t Heyman the one that said the Cubs would not be adding at the deadline and that they were not in on Quintana at all.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Cubs need bullpen help too. Get brad hand. Probably can get him decently cheap.
Henduland
Why are the Padres just going to give you Hand? Also, your farm system is depleted now, so no more Cubs trades are forthcoming unless you move major league talent like Russell.
jameyc
very true,,,,the quintana move is a curious one,,,,,good pitcher,,,lotys of innings on that arm,,,they paid for past production,,,,still pitching to a 4.49 era this season.
Priggs89
This is such a flawed argument that it’s not even funny. They “paid for past production” on a 28 year old pitcher? Sending out this package for Justin Verlander would be paying for past production. Sending it for Quintana is paying for a pitcher in his prime. Saying they traded a bunch for a “pitcher with a 4.49 ERA” is extremely shortsighted at best.
outinleftfield
Unless they are willing to trade away a player like Happ, the Cubs no longer have the top 50-100 prospect needed to headline a trade for Hand.
Henduland
Yes, you need a decent farm system to make deadline deals, otherwise you have to dip into your roster. The lack of farm depth after trading Russell is why Beane had to trade Cespedes in order to land Lester in 2014.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I actually like the Cubs and Padres as a match. Brad Hand and your choice of Richard, Cahill or Chacin for a young, controllable shortstop and a prospect?
Henduland
The Cubs have NO PROSPECTS to complete any more big trades.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
If the Cubs are willing to part with a young controllable shortstop (which they do have even if none of them qualify as prospects anymore) they should be able to get it done.
Henduland
So the Cubs are willing to trade Russell? I can see that happening. After the domestic abuse allegations, maybe the Cubs want to give him a change of scenery.
CNichols
Yeah but thats like robbing Peter to pay Paul. You get a starter and a reliever to shore up your pitching but now you have a hole in your infield. They need Russel and Baez so it doesn’t make any sense for them to do that.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Except the Cubs have a glut of young shortstops so it wouldn’t cause too much of a ripple effect
Henduland
I agree. That’s why I said: “No more Cubs trades are forthcoming,”
kyredsox17
Trade Russel/Baez for some more pitching. You add Gordon by taking on most of the money and prospects? Then you have a lead off hitter and a stronger Pen/Rotation.
jameyc
domestic abuse allegations only lower his trade value,,any good gm will point right to it.
Philliesfan4life
Should the white sox consider trading Abreu now? Who do the angels have to give up to try and pry Dee Gordon away from the marlins
Mjm117
Stanton will be a Fish for a while. Even if he prefers being in the west coast. Just IMO. Just too difficult to move that contract.
Kylesamac
Outside of the Astros, I don’t see anyone that has the ability to take on his contract.
I know they’ve had discussions before, but just imagine a lineup with Correa, Altuve, Springer, Stanton. Just ridiculous.
davidcoonce74
I suppose if he really wants to be on the West Coast though, he’ll opt out after 2020, right? He’ll still get paid, just probably not what his current contract is worth. But maybe it’s worth it to him to play closer to home, and Miami might be bad for a long time.
kyredsox17
Knowing the Reds they will hold onto Iglesias(while not competing) until his value is at its lowest..and then trade him.
jdgoat
I’m gonna say Iglesias isn’t a POS though and they won’t have to worry about that
daveineg
Stearns is playing it coy. Brewers are up by 5 1/2 games. He’s gotten 2 quality starts out of soft tossing lefty Brent Suter in Chase Anderson’s absence. No need to rush into something. Wait and see if more teams fall out in the next couple weeks and that adds to the market. Brewers no doubt looking at cheap SD starters as potential rentals but could make a big splash in right circumstances.
A'sfaninUK
I love how Shelby Miller for Swanson, Inciarte and Blair literally happened in real life but if you posted it on here you’d get called a troll.
So many fans posting on here are simply delusional and clueless about trade markets and value, its so wild. I get called a troll for simply saying things that have happened constantly before, will happen again – like top 5 prospects getting traded for established MLB talent – and I’m the one trolling? Amazing. Unreal. Yall are de-lu-sion-al.
sdmexicanf00d
People are not giving Hand the credit he deserves hes been a top reliever since he converted to the bullpen, with how the Indians and cubs used their bullpens last year contending teams want a guy that can pitch 4 to 5 outs in high leverage situations. Teams that are contending give priority to their “win now” 25 man roster. Playoff teams are more willing to give up a top prospect if it means it will improve their chance to win now. 2 top 100 prospects for Hand isn’t unrealistic for a playoff team that has only a certain window of time to compete for a WS
darkstar61
“People are not giving Hand the credit he deserves hes been a top reliever”
Well, that depends on who you talk to
Since I assume you are stating this with regards to the fans of the pursuing teams statements above, I will say this – just wait
If a team such as the Yankees trades for Hand, even giving up the amounts said fans currently insist are somehow silly, I have a feeling the “just wait” will be quite clear. That is, it is probably safe to assume Hand will instantly become one of the most promising relievers of all time to these very people currently trying to say otherwise.
Devotion leads to a dismissal of facts, and instead the devoted look at things only thru the rosiest of rosy possibilities for the object of their devotion. If the dynamics of the situation changes, it is never the longstanding facts which get adjusted – merely the way the devoted interpret or report them.
Or in short; Fanboy Homers gonna Fanboy Homer
Solaris611
Royals are interested in Dee Gordon???!!! I’m not sure why that would be since the Royals’ faithful have been proclaiming Whit Merrifield the second coming of Christ since last season. Was that all just hype?
thebare
Cubs need Joe Ross from the Rangers badly