10:41pm: Slusser writes that the Yankees, Cubs, Dodgers, Brewers, Indians, Pirates and Royals all had scouts on hand to watch Gray’s start tonight. She adds that the Yankees “are making a strong push” for Gray but also calls the Astros “one of the frontrunners” for Gray despite their lack of a scouting presence at tonight’s game.
Jon Heyman of Fan Rag, meanwhile, hears that the Brewers have “backed off” of talks after finding the asking price to be too steep. Likewise, the Braves are said to be “behind” the Yankees in their pursuit.
Joel Sherman of the New York Post has further detail on some of the contenders for Gray’s services. The Brewers are amenable to considering prospects Corey Ray and Luis Ortiz in a package, though it hardly seems sure that both could be dangled for Gray. As for the Yankees, beyond the previously mentioned Florial and Mateo, it seems that youngsters such as Domingo Acevedo, Freicer Perez, and Albert Abreu could conceivably be in play.
5:55pm: Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle tweets that the Yankees are “one of at least seven teams” that has scouts in attendance for Gray’s start tonight.
5:42pm: Morosi tweets that Gray has begun his warmups and adds that “all signs point toward” Gray making his scheduled start tonight. Feinsand tweets that the same sources who indicated progress was being made also suggested that a deal is not likely to be completed tonight.
5:30pm: The Yankees have been oft-connected to both Sonny Gray and Yonder Alonso, and MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand now cites multiple sources in reporting that the Yankees are “making progress” toward a deal that could send both players to the Bronx. It’s worth noting that Gray is slated to start tonight’s game in Toronto and has yet to be scratched from that outing, so there’s no immediate indication that anything is imminent.
New York’s need both in the rotation and at first base is readily apparent. The Yankees have already lost Michael Pineda to Tommy John surgery and will see CC Sabathia’s contract expire at season’s end. It’s also possible, depending on how he finishes out that year, that Masahiro Tanaka could opt out and land elsewhere. That’d leave the Yankees with Luis Severino, Jordan Montgomery and trio of vacant spots in the rotation, but adding Gray would fill one such void. The 27-year-old right-hander, who looks to be healthy after a triceps injury in 2016 and a lat strain earlier this year, is earning $3.575MM in 2017 and can be controlled via arbitration through the 2019 campaign.
As for the team’s first base void, that’s been a noted flaw all season. Greg Bird hasn’t been able to get healthy and recently underwent ankle surgery, while Tyler Austin has been out for about a month with a hamstring strain. Chris Carter, signed to a one-year deal this winter, flopped and has since been released. The Yankees picked up 26-year-old rookie Garrett Cooper in a minor swap with the Brewers, but a platoon of Cooper and Chase Headley may not hold the same appeal as plugging Alonso into that spot. Then again, Headley has picked up his production at the plate considerably as of late. Alonso, a rental, is in the midst of a breakout campaign. He’s cooled at the plate recently but is still hitting a robust .264/.363/.535 with 21 homers despite a pitcher-friendly home park.
Feinsand notes that colleague Jon Morosi reported the Athletics’ interest in center field prospect Estevan Florial earlier today and adds infield/outfield prospect Jorge Mateo could also be a part of talks. However, he also notes that one source deemed Gleyber Torres, Clint Frazier, Chance Adams and Justus Sheffield as “close to untouchable” in GM Brian Cashman’s eyes.
jdgoat
That’s impossible, they just traded rob refsnyder to Toronto. Who could possibly be the headliner?
nmendoza44
You’re dumber than me.
failedstate
It was a joke. The amount of Yankee fans that were including him as a big piece was ridiculous.
Eileenyy9
haaaaa, lololol omg, you made my year mendoza44
chesteraarthur
If that makes your year, you live a sad life.
Gogerty
It was funny, but not as funny as your comment. You are my hero.
donnie23
Just a smidgen of an overreaction.
Eileenyy9
chester, I am very ill so maybe one day you will regret what you just said when you get older!!
Eileenyy9
read my post to chester
Eileenyy9
Ps
Or someone ill in your family who needs a good laugh, and that is why I enjoyed it..
Grow up..you will be elderly b4 you know it
dodgerfan711
As a Blue Jays fan you must be excited. They now possess Refsnyder, the most valuable trade chip in baseball
jdgoat
How’s a kershaw plus Verdugo deal sound for him?
Ken M.
That is Mateo now.
A'sfaninUK
Yup, Mateo is the “really great frontliner” of the Gray package now, and if the deal goes through and he’s in it, Yankee fans will call him an “overrated bust” immediately.
Ken M.
Mlbpipeline didn’t have him top 100. More bedliner than headliner.
OrangeKhrush
Mateo is today’s Arismendy Alcantara and how did that work, in many ways Arismendy had far more tools than Mateo but largely is now unemployed. Mateo fits into pure risk prospect and if he is a headliner then we are being seriously fleeced.
padresfan
Yankees still have top pieces
Not as many but still have 6 top 100
JKB 2
If the Yankees would have gotten Sale instead of losing out to Boston ….
padresfan
Sale cost to much
The Yankees have a future unlike the bosox
They put all their future in one guy
He goes down they lose
comebacktrail28
lol
nysoxsam
I love this talk. Meanwhile the Yankees will be doing the same thing after 2018.
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
That statement is devoid of sense.
robb2103
Yes I know good point, because the Red Sox Have no one if Sale goes down? You sir are an idiot
chesteraarthur
It’s been so long since you’ve seen good baseball that you forgot how it works.
Hanlog1105
I’m a Yankee fan. Do Betts, Bogarts, Benitidi, Kimbrel or Price sound familiar? I hope the Yanks do get Gray and Alonso. It will be a dogfight for first the rest of the way
empiresam
Yankees have been cutting payroll from their peak years to go after members from the 2018 free agent class. Speaking of class, please everyone stop with the insults just because someone has a different opinion. The board is s supposed to be fun. None of us are actual Gems or in position to really assess a team’s minor leagues.
empiresam
Yankees have been cutting payroll from their peak years to go after members from the 2018 free agent class. Speaking of class, please everyone stop with the insults just because someone has a different opinion. The board is s supposed to be fun. None of us are actual GMs or in position to really assess a team’s minor leagues.
jhowe82
How would a padresfan know what a future looks like?
Connorsoxfan
Yeah who’s that Mookie Betts guy anyway… lol
padresfan
Pitching ?
Let’s talk about their pitching…
price? Lol
Pom? Lol. I really liked him on the padres, but he ain’t the same pitcher there as he was here
Porcello, great pitcher
You cannot win with just porcello if sale goes down.
You can have all the bullpen in the world if you don’t have starting pitching with a depleted farm… you’re not going anywhere. Use your bullpen too much and you wear them down
Prime example, Yankees… if they had decent starting pitching that wasn’t broken this would be a completely different look in the al east
padresfan
as far as this jhowe82 guy… what’s your team? Hmm?
The brightest future out there that are not over .500 are the braves, white Sox, and the padres.
Teams that are in it right now with a bright future are the Yankees, astros, cubs, rays and doyuers
Teams with a bad gm that will just keep spending and spending are the Red Sox. Keep throwing money at it. Nothing like a first round sweep again
Austin0723
Porcellos our worst pitcher right now don’t give me that
joeyuno
No doubt, dombrowski is infamous for gutting farm systems to win now. That worked out well in Detroit, glad he’s tearing up Boston now.
padresfan
People can say he got his ring in Florida, but the team was already set. He just made a couple trades
joeyuno
Exactly. And look at all those terrible contracts in Detroit that they never are going to move. Dombroski handcuffed them for a decade. Now he is gutting Boston at a ridiculous rate.
jhowe82
Padresfan: this guy is a Sox fan. And I’m glad you brought up pitching. Pitching is the strength of the Sox and that is with Porcello sucking this year (not sure where youve been). Sox pitching is 3rd in MLB in ERA. Sale 12-4 #3 in ERA. Your boy Pom is 10-4 with a 3.5, pitching very well here. And not many people around here like Price but let’s not pretend he’s a scrub. I think Boston’s future is just fine and those of you who think Dombrowski is ruining the team – how many prospects do they need? They have young players Betts, Bradley, Boegarts, Benintendi, Vasquez, Devers. Actually their future is very bright.
mehs
Yankees have been cutting payroll because the Steinbrener children want to get below the salary tax and make more money.
timm-2
It’s gonna be that with or without Gray and Alonso.
mikeyank55
Trader Dave has already made his mark on what was the best minor league team players. He LOVES to trade for overpriced, over-the-hill big name players and recklessly disposes of farm talent.
We love it;)
mikeyank55
Hey Howe-prospects are in the minors being developed. Trader Dave developed none of the guys that you mentioned and has gutted their farm system of deep talent.
No big deal. John Henry’s interest will wane and he will become impatient (as in the past) and order a fire sale to bring back some minor league depth.
After you are done pounding your chest, look at the face that your team, with all of its success has been in last place an awe full time over the past decade.
They are as consistent in their inconsistency.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
“Prime example, Yankees… if they had decent starting pitching that wasn’t broken this would be a completely different look in the al east”
“Sale cost to much”
How does the same guy make both statements? That’s *why* the Red Sox got Sale, because starting pitching is so valuable. Given the chance to do that trade again, I think the Red Sox would say yes in a heartbeat.
jhowe82
Mikeyank- point is the Sox have young players at many positions. Young players they should be able to keep for several years. Plenty of time to develop prospects if they choose. I do not care who Trader Dave has developed. He has brought in deep talent at the major league level. Slightly more important than prospects. And yes the Sox have had a few bad years (with a championship mixed in) but won the division in Trader Dave’s first full year. No complaints here my friend.
Eileenyy9
Right with you Yankees fan!!
mikeyank55
After the Sale trade over the winter, the bloated predictions of the Red Sox winning the 2017 World Series were everywhere. He is a great pitcher who Trader Dave prays for every day as pitching has become fragile.
Oh and this dream team is a leading the division by a BIG one game. Lol
Remms12
hahaha this is gold.
rycm131
That’s funny. That is 100% the type of hot prospect the A’s would typically get in a trade of this magnitude. If only every team had a Joey Wendell in their system
OrangeKhrush
Wendle is blocked and should be up now, Lowrie has to go even if it is just nominal return of money. Max Schrock we got for a loogy that couldn’t get Lefties out which was funny and Max Schrock is looking like he will win Texas League MVP, hard to find a player that OPS’s over 800 and has 31 strike outs in over 300AB’s, this is no fluke either he has done it everywhere he has played.
gezopo
what Ralph addressed I didnt realize that anyone can get paid $6830 in 1 month on the
PC .
i was perusing this>>>>
>>>>>>>WWW.jobocean3.COM
Bronx Bombers 2005
Rob Refsnyder was a minor league player. Estevan Florial, the Yankees 5th best prospect, or Jorge Mateo, are possible headliners of that deal.
yankeefan4564
austin coming back from a injury
tenman85
He’s also terrible.
madmanTX
Hope it happens, so that Astros and Dodgers don’t get Gray and the price for renting Darvish goes up and up.
Eileenyy9
I’m with you madman
Kershiser
… and up so high that the rangers are left holding him after the deadline with nothing but a pick after competitive balance round B to show for it…
yankeefan4564
austin is coming back from injury
Dynasty
This has been going on for like a month.
Ken M.
Florial, Acevedo, Cessa and Hicks.
A'sfaninUK
+Mateo and youve got yourself a deal.
pukelit
No way
KnicksFanCavsFan
No on Hicks. He’s our best CF. and I believe we have 3 years of control left.
YanksFan76
Bet the Yanks are regretting not going harder for Sale!
Dynasty
Yanks fan here. You’re wrong.
Ken M.
They’ve gotten so much out of Kaprielian and Torres.
YanksFan76
How is that wrong. He is a LEGIT ace and pretty dominant. Seems like it would have been a pretty good move! Just my opinion.
sportsfan25
And the amount of top tier prospects the Yankees would have had to give the white sox would make the future a lot less brighter. Sure Sale would have made a big difference this year yet the Yankees are still competing for the AL East this year and they kept their top prospects
KnicksFanCavsFan
The Yankees are not one ace away from being a sustained championship contender. They have multiple positions and rotation players they need. The Red Sox were closer to being a championship contender thus it made sense to go all in for Sale.
driftcat28 2
And yet they’re still 1 game out of first in the division without him…
jameyc
why they ND’d him for the win last week.
driftcat28 2
Nope still pretty happy with how things turned out
ThePriceWasRight
Would be surprised if florial and Mateo alone get it done. must be one other piece. maybe Austin as Well?
Eileenyy9
please take Tanaka little league and close the door behind you!!!
swaskito
Maybe cooper? He wont get any playing time in the bigs with alonso coming and they have to pay headley because he wont go anywhere with that salary of his
Houston We Have A Solution
These deals are awful.
Florial and Mateo are a starting point but you’ll need 2-3 more prospects not named Bird or Austin.
Something like Florial, Mateo, Tate, Littell, and McKinney get a deal done for Gray and Alonso.
jameyc
as a yankees fan I think they would do that in a heartbeat.
OrangeKhrush
That is really just a quantity over quality deal, we turned a rental of Zobrist into Sean Manaea who is solid, we turned a rental of Reddick and Hill into 3 interesting types of arms, Grant Holmes on his day is lights out with that big bender but is wild, Montas is a flamethrower but has issues with durability and a flattish fast ball and Cotton with that knee dropping change but is also struggling for consistency.
We also turned Marc Rypz…scrabble into Max Schrock who will win Texas League MVP hands down, the human hit machine and carson cistulli’s future MVP.
This year we turned an aging reliever and oft injured reliever into Jesus Lazardo who has mad two good starts now, one of the best pitchers in last years class that fell due to pre draft injury but has good stuff.
The A’s are not out to pick up chuck meat.
yankeesguy123
Oh yeah. Florial and Mateo? Done deal as a Yankee fan imo
nste23
I feel the same as an A’s fan the Yankees do a great job of keeping young pieces no matter how tempting the deals are.
OrangeKhrush
if i were in your situation I would also, one high risk and one meh guy.
Dynasty
So does Cashman think he can combine the WAR of every 1B to create a super-human 1B or something? How many do we need?
Connorsoxfan
He has likened baseball to Pokémon. Collect enough 1st basemen, and you can evolve Greg Dinosaur into Greg Bird! Ba dum ch
jonscriff
So mateo, florial, Jake cave and tyler austin for Yonder and gray is good?
staxxxxxxxxx
It is for the Yankees.
jameyc
a’s arent getting multiple top tier guys,,,,maybe if he wasnt injury prone and only under contract until 2020 when he can walk as an unrestricted free agent.
A'sfaninUK
lol yeah its yet another joke of a trade idea by a homer Yankee fan on here
thegreatcerealfamine
I can’t wait to see what you post if the return doesn’t meet your lofty standards.
jameyc
or a joke of an expectation to get guys like frazier or torres for a guy with 2 years of control and a documented injury history,,he looks mediocre tonight as well when the a’s needed him to shine,,cool story though.
del_got_it
6 innings 0 earned runs and 9 K’s is mediocre?
rocky7
Speaking of Jokes…..enough said regarding your baseball acumen.
By the way, I’m one of those Yankee fans Bub!
thebare
Cashman will con all GM’s beware
Matt Galvin
Also maybe John Axford or Liam H. or Santiago C. in it to. The A’s don’t need a 1B but could use a Catcher to.
staxxxxxxxxx
You don’t want Axford or Casilla.
A'sfaninUK
Austin is a throw in at best. A’s are probably getting 5 prospects back if Alonso is going in too. Austin would be the 6th guy thrown in if he comes over.
Connorsoxfan
I think Austin will be the 5th piece.
rocky7
How about 6 prospects….or maybe 7 or 8! Wait the yankees will throw in Santa too, if only they can get Gray and Alonso!
OrangeKhrush
Tyler Austin…no thanks we already have Nunez, Olson and Healy
soxfaninSTL
Can someone wake up Dave Dombrowski and let him know Cashman is actually going for it.
nysoxsam
Anyone want David Price? Hope he opts out next year so the Sox can redistribute that money. I’d be surprised if the Tanks got Gray without the pain of parting with a real top prospect given he’s controllable until 2019. Expect others even DD to get involved if only to increase the cost.
ctguy
No thanks, Price can’t win in the post season.
jameyc
no way he gives that money, he wont get equal on the pen market,,he has been awful.
Connorsoxfan
But he does seem absolutely miserable in Boston. I wouldn’t completely rule it out.
pplama
Florial, Adams, Andujar
thump
no way!
jameyc
too much for the yanks to give up,,,those are 2 potential everyday players with huge upside and one pitcher with enormous upside who has been killing it in aaa.
thegreatcerealfamine
Florial won’t be ready for a few years.
thegreatcerealfamine
Minus Adams and replace him with Sheffield. Still need to add!
MurderersRow27
Haha, never gonna happen pplama…
landon c.
What a joke these reports are.. They’ve been “discussing” those players every day for weeks now.
Nando61
If the Yankees don’t have to include any of those 4 along with the two already mentioned then Beane has jumped the shark and given up. Gray alone in this FA year is worth one of the 4 plus the other two…let alone adding Yonder. Rental or non Rental…you buying a playoff spot gotta pay.
jameyc
but they aren’t buying a playoff spot,,they as of now are in,,,and with gray there is no guarantee they actually do make,,its all speculative. no way they give up any of those top four for an injury prone pitcher with only 3 years of control.
southi
Gray does not have three years of control. He has only two years and just over two months left (not meaning to split hairs but wanted to clarify to some readers that Gray has a full season less control than Quintana did).
I personally hope that the Yankees get it done as then I can quit worrying that the Braves might overpay in a bidding war for Gray.
jameyc
let them overpay,,he looks mediocre tonight when the a’s need him to shine,,plus he is injury prone which is something the yankees are definitely pointing at,,,he just came of the DL a little while ago. he really needs to string together many good healthy starts to be worth trading top prospects for. I compare this to selling a car you know has a bad head gasket but hopefully it will run good long enough to sell it. they yanks have the 3rd ranked team era in the AL, and the 6th ranked era in all of baseball as of now,,,,without sonny gray.
skip 2
6 innings 0 runs 9k’s mediocre?!?!?
Dude what are you on?!?
bavarianjohn
braves wont trade for gray A’s want acuna dont think braves will trade him
bavarianjohn
braves wont trade for gray A’s want acuna dont think braves will trade him.
Bungalows
Don’t kid yourself those runs should have been earned he made the error
OrangeKhrush
that’s not how baseball works
stymeedone
“Only” 3 years of control? That’s the most of any young arm that is in play for a trade. If the Yanks want to pay almost as much for a couple months of Darvish, go right ahead.
Bullet
Hope this is just fluff. I don’t want Gray, Let someone else take his 2 years of DL Control.
landon c.
They just invent stories. The people in the media are dishonest scum.
YankeeMan3099
Why because we’re about to get him and ur team isn’t? Lmao I love it
landon c.
I heard the Yankees were discussing a trade for the fairy godmother too. Give me a break with these ridiculous “reports”. The media is such a worthless entity that needs to be disbanded..
Mikel Grady
2 of Gleyber Torres
Clint Frazier
Chance Adams
Estevan Florial?
jdgoat
No. That’s too much
thegreatcerealfamine
Only Florial of those four to start with.
Mikel Grady
Just wondering if 2 of those 4 will be what a’s are demanding?
jameyc
lmao,,,not even in your wildest dreams will torres, adams, or frazier be included,,the a’s know and have accepted that,,thats why the focus is on florial.
rocky7
No way!
driftcat28 2
No thanks
jhinde103
Quite package, though I wonder if the As could get more if they splint the two
hatstotheleft
I’ll be disappointed in the A’s if the headliner of the trade is some “19” year old prospect with god knows how many fake names. SP is at a premium this season, make anyone pay top dollar
steelerbravenation
Don’t forget Yanks got a lot of bullpen pieces now maybe Forial, Mateo & Chad Green ?
Yankee4Life27
Report: Yankees making progress on trade for Gray, Alonso
Brandon Wile Jul 25 2017, 6:57 PM
New York Yankees general manager Brian Cashman might be on the verge of a second blockbuster in as many weeks.
The Yankees are reportedly making progress toward a deal that would land Oakland Athletics right-hander Sonny Gray and first baseman Yonder Alonso, multiple sources told Mark Feinsand of MLB.com on Tuesday.
It was reported earlier Tuesday that Oakland is prioritizing young center fielders in trade talks, and Yankees prospect Estevan Florial is among those targets.
julyn82001
Want A’s Gray and Alonso? Entice A’s Billy Beane, big time… These proven MLB players… Prospects are… Well, sorry, A’s prospects they lost to prove pure and simple…
JKB 2
Sorry Julyn … A’s want prospects that is the entire point
YankeeMan3099
Let’s go Cashman close the deal buddy!!!!!!!
melfman1
I really hope the Yanks don’t get Alonso as part of a deal for Gray. He’s batting .195 over the past 30 days. I’d rather take my chances with a combo of Headley/Cooper/Austin in August & September. I’ll take Gray alone, for a lesser package of prospects like either Mateo or Florial (not both) and a few others.
ctguy
Completely agree. Th Yanks don’t need Alonso. If Gray stays healthy he would certainly help.
tacohole
Would much prefer to have Duda in a separate deal. Not sold on getting Gray either with the injury history. Don’t see a real alternative though and the Yanks need a starter for the stretch run.
koz16
Agreed. Other than a great three week stretch in May Alonso is as blah as ever. And in the last 30 days batting .196 with 4 HR’s – those are Chris Carter numbers and the Yankees just went through that type of production. Pass on Alonso.
AngelFan69
Billy is asking for a truckload of top 100 prospects … let’s wait and see who gives him what he wants…
jameyc
he’s not getting it from the yanks unless it lower level guys and maybe one upper prospect not in the big 4.
imindless
Dreaming. 2 of the top four would be included in any deal. 2 years of control for a front line starter and a decent hitting 1st baseman. Keep dreaming though!
dust44
I wouldn’t mind giving up Mateo. He’s gunna b blocked with Torres coming next year and DiDi and Castro. Wade is up already and Solek is raking. Mateo has been experimenting in CF and 2B along with short. But he reminds me alittle of Peraza as a high end utility type.
koz16
Mateo probably would be that utility guy and that’s what MLB teams need the way the rosters are used today. His ++ speed is another great asset. The only thing that worries me about Mateo is his attitude. He sulked in Tampa and the results showed. Teams don’t need a moody player in the clubhouse.
ctguy
Mateo, Florial & maybe another “A” level player for Gray. Yanks shouldn’t be looking at Alonso. He’s not worth it. If thats not enough for Gray, then let some other team that needs pitching over pay for him or even Darvish.
imindless
Yankees are delusional, gonna cost 2 of those 4 prospects for gray and yonder Alonso.
Armaday
I think the Yanks would be better off getting Gray and a separate deal for Duda…May cost them less!
ctguy
You’re right. Duda would be a better pick up for the Yanks than Alonso.
TylerThe bravos fanatic
If the braves trade acuna for gray they need to test copallela for drugs
Bruin1012
It would take more then Acuna.
TylerThe bravos fanatic
Sureeee
bavarianjohn
haha you people are smoking drugs sonny grwy is over rated injury prone number 2 or 3 starter
OrangeKhrush
logs 200+ inning twice in first 2y 2m of his pro career and managed 22 starts in an injury blighted season but gets called injury prone.
bavarianjohn
not worth a top ten prospect as Acuna is sont need anpther mediocre Teheran type
66TheNumberOfTheBest
FYI, Eduardo Nunez getting hugs from teammates in tunnel area.
Bruin1012
If the Yankees get Gray it is going to be a real interesting finish to the year in the East. The Red Sox will still have the better starting pitching but the Yankees offense and bullpen is better I would give the defense to the Red Sox as well could make it real interesting. Maybe the Yankees will go for it this year.
rocky7
Bro, not sure I agree with you comment about giving the Sox the nod on defense….at best a toss up.
Bruin1012
The Red Sox are better in the outfield and in the right side of the infield for sure left side of infield Yankees are better catchers about even defensively I would take Boston relatively easily on defense.
jameyc
lol..of course you would red sox fan,,but the yankees swept the 1st series and should have taken 3 of 4 in the last,,,yanks lineup is way more productive,,starters aren’t far apart, and the yanks bullpen is light years better than bostons. id take the yanks in a playoff series before boston. sale is great, but he doesnt get any run support a la his ND against the yanks a bit ago.
Bruin1012
I was simply saying the Red Sox defense is better which it is at this point I also think the Red Sox have better starters but the Yankees offense is bette me there bullpen is better. Should be interesting I’m giving the Yankees there due they are better then I thought this year. Should be interesting down the stretch. The Red Sox hitters have been in a terrible slump they will have to hit better to compete.
jameyc
will they? boston is 2nd in the AL, the yanks 3rd,,,boston is 4th in MLB, the yanks 6th,,,this without sonny gray….and in regards to defense,,,yanks ranked 13th overall,,,boston 18th so there you have it.
Bruin1012
That was because of Panda who is no longer there and there problems at third. There is no question Boston’s defense on the right side is better and in the outfied not even arguable. The catchers are about even the Yankees only clearly better on the left side.
failedstate
Good lord some of you guys overvalue prospects. Sonny Gray should cost a ton since he is a borderline ace when healthy and has 2.2 years of control left. He may not get 2 top 10 guys but it’s reasonable for people to expect a top 20, a top 100, and others. Gray has made it and has had success whereas these prospects could easily bust. Given the changes in the QO system prospect have taken a hit in trade value.
jameyc
yankees fan and I agree,,,he is not worth there very top guys but he does have value,,you can’t look past the injuries though and he didn’t pitch well last year into this year and has only recently been good. he needs a better track record of health.
failedstate
I don’t think he’s as fragile as people think. It was just a rough year in 2016 and was hurt to start this year. He pitched 200+ innings in 2014/15 and has been just as dominant since returning this season. No chance Yanks give up Torres or Fraizer but that’s not what’s being rumored or realistic. I think Mateo could possibly be in there if the Braves jump the shark and drive up the price.
cky7
Yankees outfield is set, and when Torres and Bird are back the infield will be set. If Florial and Mateo are the headliners, I’d take that deal. Yanks need pitching to hold them over until Adams and Kap are ready.
Teams with elite relievers are only one trade away from replenishing their prospects. If there’s ever a need, deal one of Betances/Green/Kahnle for a new haul of prospects.
stretch123
Chance Adams, Jorge Mateo, Justus Sheffield and Albert Abreu for Gray and Alonzo. Who says no?
jameyc
no,,sheffield not going to be included,,he has been deemed as one of four untouchables,,,torres,,frazier,,adams,,sheffield.
thegreatcerealfamine
Cash has never and I repeat never singled out names of prospects that are untouchable. Perhaps you’ve read that in these fan postings,because Cashman has said he would “like to keep the top prospects”.
arcticvampire
However, he also notes that one source deemed Gleyber Torres, Clint Frazier, Chance Adams and Justus Sheffield as “close to untouchable” in GM Brian Cashman’s eyes.
Get your glasses checked
Little Whirl
I like Sonny Gray, but I would say the Yankees would pass on that. I don’t see Adams being available in this deal considering his proximity to MLB & I don’t think NY would part with both Sheffield & Mateo.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Sonny Gray is being overrated. It is a sellers market when it comes to pitching but it doesn’t require such an overpay as some suggest. He one year removed from a injury riddled 2016 with a 5+ ERA and a 4.67 FIP. This year his road split is at a 4.85 ERA and a 4.32 FIP. That should be a warning flag. He is not worthy of multiple top 100 picks, which Torres, Mateo, Florial, Sheffield and Frazier are according to pre-season and mid-season BA reports.
Also, people shouldn’t poo hoo a player just because he’s NOT on a current top 100 list. Florial wasn’t on one at the beginning of the year and guys like Cano, Gardner, Nova and were never on one either.
jameyc
good post. a’s trying to dump gray while he is still upright,,,dont fall for it cash.
bavarianjohn
agreed
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I doubt it happens, but…given the emergence of Jordan Luplow and the resurgence of Cutch, the Pirates could conceivably make Austin Meadows available.
If the A’s main focus is getting a young center fielder, the Pirates do have the pieces to put together the necessary package.
OrangeKhrush
Some of these deals are borderline homerish and have no general reflection to market practices.
I have learned over the years that a trade is fair when it hurts both parties in different ways, be it losing a star or losing prospects.
What I have seen is that any Yankee fan in their right minds would hands down accept any trade without one of Frazier, Torres or Adams added to it. Florial represents a gambit, he is no different to some of the under 20 prospects we have, nothing special about him that we already don’t have in Lazarito or Austin Beck, he has his warts namely bad plate discipline and questions over whether he will actually remain in center field. THis is not a prospect you trade a starting pitecher with a career ERA of 3.1 or FIPX of 3.4 to go with an ERA+ over 100, he is a filler level piece.
A fair deal is something like Torres and Florial, that hurts but you gain a proven starter, we get a player having dual TJS and a prospect for 2020 as the main parts back.
People moaning about Gray’s health, he managed to at least pitch 100+ innings last year despite the injuries, how much time has Tanaka, Pineda, Nova missed over they years?
We don’t want your scrubs.
Howard-NY13
Nova isn’t even a Yankee! LOL. And u just admitted that gray doesn’t stay healthy. And Tanaka barely gets hurt. He’s gone on the dl twice which isn’t that bad for 4 years. Also it’s not like he missed an entire season. And ur saying Torres who is potentially the next manny machado and florial who is a great prospect for sonny Gray???!!! U think this deal is fair because Torres is having tj surgery. Well it’s not because Torres will be ready for spring training. I don’t think the Yankees would even do Torres for gray because Torres is worth more. It’s not like gray is an amazing pitcher. He wasn’t even an all star. He has a 3.5 era, now that’s good but not great, he would be the Yankees #3 starter behind all star severino and sabathia who has around a 3.4 era. So that deal Torres and florial for gray isn’t fair. And gray only will be with them for a year and a half. Torres isn’t leaving.
OrangeKhrush
Tanaka missed 2015 with a UCL injury, Nova was always injured when a Yankee so yes durability is nothing the Yankees have been blessed with.
Everyone is potentially like someone, if Austin Beck hits his ceiling scouts say he has Trout’s toolset but that doesn’t make it like he is just going to turn into mike trout 2.0. Torres may be likened on upside to Machado but the likelihood of reaching it is a lot lower. Believe it or not but many better prospects than Torres have gone bust.. Torres like all prospects carry risk. Gray is going to put up like 15-16WAR over 5 pro seasons that is something that 65% of prospects struggle to make 10WAR in their careers, 75% completely miss projections and aggregate out to average and like 5% actually turn out above projections or as elite.
cj1020
What???? Are you crazy
KnicksFanCavsFan
What is your point about mentioning Pineda, Nova and Tanaka’s injury history? How does that help at all make us more comfortable overlooking Gray’s recent health history? Let me help you. When we signed Tanaka, he was without health blemishes and gave us a few years of solid pitching. Pineda was traded for another prospect. Nova was signed out of the Dominica for probably less than $100k. Sonny Gray IS not a cheap pickup. YES, he is very affordable by mlb standards. However, the prospect cost of what most A’s fans are asking (some combination of Frazier, Torres, Mateo, Adams, Sheffield and other pieces is VERY high.
A’s fans want to act as if Gray doesn’t have more risk than he does. Look at his health history in 2016. Look at his home/road splits in 2016 and 2017. Consider the fact that he’s moving from a pitchers park to a hitters park.
Now look at Chris Sales to Boston deal. A true elite pitcher (top 5 in mlb ). Zero health issues in terms of DL time. ZERO funky home/road splits. Dominant power pitcher.
Fact: Red Sox had a top 6-8 farm system in 2016.
Sale’s cost was Moncada (#3 BOA 2016), Kopech (#89 BOA in 2016), Victor Diaz an unranked relief pitcher prospect who was in the Sally league in 2016 and Luis Basabe an unranked OF in low A. From an organization standpoint that’s the 2016 Sox #1, #5, #9 and Diaz was unlisted in their top 10 (minorleaguebaseball top 20 list).
Fact: Yanks are considered to be a top 3 farm.
From the Yanks standpoint, if they traded some combo of Torres (#5 2017 pre-season BOA and #3 mid-season 2017 BOA), Frazier (#39 BOA in 2017 and #33 in 2017 mid-season, Mateo (#85 2017 pre-season BOA and unranked mid-season BOA), Kaprielian (#87 pre-season 2017 and unranked BOA, Adams (#56 mid-season BOA), Sheffield (#91 pre-season BOA and #73 mid-season BOA). Fowler (#89 mid-season BOA) and Florial (#71 mid-season BOA). So all of those are recently top 100 ranked players.
Why would the Yankees need to offer two top 100 prospects and others for Gray who is an inferior pitcher to Sale? Why would they even have to give up a top 25 prospect for Gray?
Something that seems reasonable would be Mateo (who slipped off the top 100 mid-season but then was bumped up to AA where he’s currently hitting .323/.404./.556 in 115 PA. and one of Acevedo/Abreu and Tyler Austin/Mike Ford./Ji-man Choi/Tyler Wade/Wilkersman Garcia
I kept Alonzo separate because I don’t see the need since they acquired Frazier and Cooper and still have Headley on the roster. I can’t see the Yanks offering a top 10 org prospect for him.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Let’s all agree that we aren’t professional scouts so who or what an Estevan Florial, Lazaro Armenteros or Austin Beck end up are far from a certainty. Armenteros has played all of 25 games in his entire career at the rookie league level and hasn’t exactly lit it up this far and Austin Beck’s career is even thinner with 17 games at rookie ball and a very lack luster .138/.200/.385 line. Not only are they not ranked as top 100 prospects they’re not even listed among the top 10 organizational prospects.
Florial, in contrast, played 211 games since 2015, has a career .813 OPS, is having a breakout season at single A @ .299/.376/.491 with 11 hrs and 16 sb at age 19. He’s also ranked among BOA’s mid-season top 100 prospect list.
The two A’s prospect could one day be all-stars and Florial a flop but Florial right now is way more of a vetted prospect than the other two.
zclee06
Yankees- Sonny Gray and Yonder Alonso
Athletics- Dustin Fowler, Dillon Tate, Ben Heller
tbonenats
I doubt the A’s take Fowler as the centerpiece due to his injury. If they are trading both it will take Torres or Frazier and a couple lottery ticket types. Or Adams and Florial plus a couple lottery tickets.
bronxbombers
It has beem repeatedly stated Torres Frazier Adams are near untouchable for cashman
Howard-NY13
Thank you!!!!!
OrangeKhrush
Then so will Gray, you can go take on Justin Verlander and his huge contract or Yu Darvish which the Rangers will take you to the fleecers for also.
bronxbombers
It has also been reported A’s are interested in outfielders which we have great depth besides Frazier and fowler there’s florial cave McKinney Mateo just to start. Florial Mateo Tate Cessa and maybe another would be my package
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Untouchable is a BS word, especially in relation to prospects. They may be too much for this particular deal, but if a guy like Sale was available, none of those guys would be “untouchable”. All untouchable means is “we need more”, not “nothing will ever make us give him up.”
CCCTL
“*near* untouchable”
jameyc
in sonny grays case untouchable is untouchable hence why the a’s have exclusively scouted the yanks a, and aa clubs.
slider32
To get both Alonzo and Gray the Yanks will have to come up with a package of Mateo, Florial, Acevedo, and 2 of either Mitchell, Cessa, Acevedo, or Abreu..maybe 3.
Howard-NY13
Well idk. I think they would take fowler. I think it could be fowler, florial, heller, Tate, and maybe another lower level prospect would be definitely fair. The Yankees get a rental first basemen for 2 months that has been struggling but will have even more power with the short porch, and a good starting pitcher for a couple years i think. While the A’s are getting Dustin fowler who yes is hurt right now but he’ll be back in spring training and could be in the opening day lineup with a good spring gaveling already an inning of MLB experience LOL and has great potential and stats in the minors this year. Then they are getting florial who is a great prospect, I think ranked 96/100. Then ben heller who supposedly could be the A’s closer at some point if he stuck around. Then ben Tate who is going to be at least a #2 starter in the bigs in 2019, 2020. He was the first round pick for the rangers in I think 2014. And a lower level prospect. I think this is realistic and a great trade for both sides.
OrangeKhrush
Fowler’s injury is a big deal, torn/ruptured tendons in both knees make him a liability with every slide he goes for or diving play, that is to assume he comes back in the same condition.
Tendon injuries = loss of value
bronxbombers
It’s only his right knee that is injured
OrangeKhrush
it is surgically repaired tendons, if this was a pitcher with Tommy Johns that carries risk to value.
bronxbombers
I know the risk but you said both knees I was just saying it’s his right knee
CCCTL
A’s aren’t looking for MLB-ready.
They’re looking for “not in arbitration yet when we open the new ballpark 4-6 years down the road”.
Fowler does nothing for that.
Philliesfan4life
Even If the yankees do get Gray, Im not putting them over the astros, I don’t see why the astros are not pulling the trigger for gray right now
Howard-NY13
And as a Yankees fan I completely agree with you. The Astros lineup is Stacked and so it’s the Yankees but not as much. With all the injuries to the Astros rotation, both teams rotations are about the same but with Houston getting back starters, there’s will be slightly better. And then Houston does have a good pen but I do think with the pickup of Robertson and kahnle the Yankees have the best bullpen in the MLB. And if they played in the alcs right now with the teams they have I think the Astros win the series 4-1 or 4-2. But if the Yankees can get gray then that means they are most likely to get Alonso. Then this gives them a way better chance and might turn the series from 4-1 to definitely 4-2 and maybe to 4-3 and give them a Chance in a game 7 and maybe a run at the division to the Sox cuz they already have a wild card spot.
slider32
The Astros, Nats, and Dodgers are clear cut favorites to win the world series this year, but we all know that the playoffs are outlier. The best teams rarely win. If a team like the Yanks get into the playoffs with their bullpen they could be dangerous.
BalcoBomber
Dodgers need Kershaw healthy if they want to make a deep playoff run.
Little Whirl
Hopefully CK is fine by early September, but Yu Darvish/Alex Wood would be a fine 1/2 in theory considering LA’s excellence on defense & offensively., in theory.
gramuna
Actually, they would probably make it deeper without him considering his play in the last couple playoffs.
Don’t get me wrong, he’s the best pitcher in baseball, but he doesn’t fair that well in the posteseason.
pickandersen
Could the Red Sox be interested in this duo? They need starting pitching and have been interested in Gray for a couple years, and just last night it was rumored the Sox were interested in adding a first baseman too. Gray (P) and Alonso (1B) seems fitting, no?
OrangeKhrush
The Redsox farm is a bit depleted, not much value to give up without Devers being involved.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Don’t know what the A’s needs are, but unless they’d take Groome, Chavis, and some filler, I don’t see it happening. Other teams have much more to offer.
leprechaun
You Yankee fans are hilarious. You want every good pitcher or player available but then say that Torres, Frazier, Sheffield and others are off limits. You then suggest that teams take some combo of 2nd tier talent and that should work, well it dosent work that way. In life it’s about what you give in order to get. And giving second tier prospects get you second tier return. And clearly my friends Gray isn’t 2nd tier.
OrangeKhrush
in trades where the demand is from other teams they seem to be making the demands. I would rather trade Gray to the Dodgers or Nationals, I know those teams pay.
newagescamartist
Exactly. GMs know the cost of controlled above average starters, and they demand quite a haul. If Oakland was willing to take a pu pu platter Gray would have been in Houston a month ago. Obviously the A’s want more than just spare parts. He’s going to cost some good prospects no matter who lands him.
bronxbombers
Let’s be real it’s Billy beane we’re talking about he always goes for the 2nd tier guys
cj1020
You are funny. You think a team should give up their best prospects for a pitcher who is on the D L every year I think second tier prospects are in order here
bavarianjohn
agreed im not sure i see why some of these people seem to think hes worth top 10 prospect
jameyc
he’s not top tier either,,he’s more 1a…his injury concerns and subpar pitching the last year and a half will also play into it,,he has only recently pitched well and needs to show he can be reliable. plus he only has 2 years of control and then becomes an UFA and can sign anywhere.. so no,,,you don’t give up a torres,,frazier,,adams, sheffield.
Howard-NY13
Um maybe because the Yankees have the best farm system in the MLB so their tenth best prospect would be one of the best prospects on a team that he goes to. @leprechaun
BSPORT
Their “second tier talent ” would be top tier in most organizations. They really have some good young guys right now.
EDGE316
Sonny boy will be in Houston because of the Yankee untouchables not in package. Yankees should get interested in Verlander quick before he ends up in Chicago.
driftcat28 2
How about the Yanks just get Gray and forget about Alonso. I’d rather have a platoon of Cooper/Headley/Austin/Choi and maybe Bird if he ever makes it back
ctguy
Agreed. Alonso is not needed by the Yankees. Headley/Cooper will do fine at 1st base. They need a pitcher, not a mediocre rental 1st baseman.
slider32
Cashman is smart, he is using the fact that the A’s want to get rid of Alonso’s and get something for him. He knows that his team is the only one that needs a first basemen and will take Alonzo. This gives him an advantage over the other contenders for Gray
yukongold
Gray for Adams, florial, cave and Alexander Vargas
ChiSoxCity
I’d wager that if the Yankees acquire Gray, they do so without giving up their top prospects. They’re only team in baseball that fleeces trade partners regularly and gets away with it. Owner collusion?
del_got_it
If the Yanks aren’t willing to give up any top 4 prospects, than its gunna be a quantity over quality type deal. The A’s are looking for young outfielders and pitchers for the future.
With that in mind, I can see the deal being the following:
Gray & Alonso for Florial, Sheffield, Mateo, Abreu & McKinney
Thoughts? I think that is fair for both teams personally.
CCCTL
Except the A’s want quality. Billy Beane went on record with that just last week.
BSPORT
You should look up the quality of the 5 players mentioned above. Beane would take that package in a second but Cashman would be crazy to give that much up. Alonso will not do anything for them. They should try Ellsbury at first and keep the prospects.
ChiSoxCity
Thoughts? You’d make a terrible GM. Trading a young, controllable starter for a collection of warm bodies accomplishes nothing for your organization. Quality over quantity is not even negotiable. Might as well keep him.
BSPORT
Crazy. He’s not an ace and Alonso is a waste.
DannyQ3913
A’s want young outfielders, Phillies need a stud starter. It’s a perfect match.
jameyc
the phillies have average outfielders at best,,no power.
dust44
People really need to actually read the articles before posting. Yankees “close to untouchables” are Sheffield, Adams, Frazier and Torres. But everyone adds one of them in the deal. Please read the posts and respond accordingly. Let’s be real. The As are looking for a huge package. But they won’t get it for Gray who’s been injured a lot and Alonso who’s a rental.
BSPORT
I’m not sure why the Yankees would even want Alonso. In 8 years, 2400 AB, 60 HR, 283 hits, and .268 BA. That’s not worth any of the prospects named so it’s a huge overpay for Gray with that many involved. Cashman should go for Nova from Pitt and Duda from Mets.
del_got_it
This will be the final trade. Mark my words.
Yanks get: Gray & Alonso
A’s get: Florial, Mateo, Acevedo, Abreu, Perez & McKinney