With two days left before the deadline, here’s the latest on the market for Athletics starter Sonny Gray, with the most recent updates at the top.
- Gray to the Yankees is “somewhere between likely to inevitable,” according to Sherman, who reports that the trade could happen Sunday. An executive who has been involved in Gray talks told Sherman that the Yankees are “holding firm” in what they’re willing to offer because they’re not convinced there are any other serious bidders. In case their negotiations with the A’s collapse, the Yankees are discussing starters with other teams as fallback options, per Sherman.
Earlier updates:
- Neither the Astros nor Brewers are “serious players for Gray,” writes MLB Network’s Ken Rosenthal, who adds that the Braves and Cubs also don’t look likely to acquire him. The Dodgers are the biggest threat to the Yankees in this sweepstakes, but Gray isn’t LA’s main focus, per Rosenthal. With that in mind, Rosenthal expects the Yankees to land Gray, though it might not happen until Monday. Gray to the Bronx makes sense, opines Rosenthal, who notes that the Yankees need answers in their rotation beyond this year (only Luis Severino and Jordan Montgomery are locks to return in 2018) and want to get under the $197MM luxury-tax threshold next season. Acquiring the affordable Gray would help them on both fronts.
- Heyman, Sherman, Bob Nightengale of USA Today and Buster Olney of ESPN (on Twitter) each report that the A’s and Yankees are making progress in Gray talks. There’s “optimism” a deal will happen, per Nightengale.
- As expected, Oakland has pushed Gray’s next start from Sunday to Monday, reports Joe Stiglich of NBC Sports California (Twitter link).
- The A’s talks centering on Gray have been heavier with the Yankees than any other team over the past 48 hours, per Morosi (Twitter link).
- Gray will, in fact, skip his start tomorrow if he hasn’t been traded by then, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets. Bob Klapisch of USA Today previously tweeted that the A’s were likely to pull Gray from his scheduled start tomorrow due to requests from teams interested in trading for him.
- The Yankees’ reluctance to part with Torres or Frazier is not currently holding up talks with the A’s about Gray, ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick tweets. The two sides are currently discussing other players and still have not reached an agreement. In fact, Morosi tweets that the A’s prefer another Yankees prospect, Estevan Florial, to Frazier because of his center field defense.
- Only after the A’s trade Gray will there be a flurry of activity surrounding other starters, Jon Morosi writes for MLB.com. Teams in the pitching market are primarily seeking multiyear assets like Gray rather than rentals, Morosi writes. That means there are more teams interested in Gray than in rentals like Yu Darvish or Lance Lynn.
- The Brewers and Athletics have hit an impasse in their discussions about Gray, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets. The hangup, it seems, is that the A’s want top young outfielder Lewis Brinson, and the Brewers don’t want to trade him. Brinson arrived last winter in the Jonathan Lucroy deal and made his big-league debut last month.
- The Yankees still have interest in Gray, but are now looking to rental options like Darvish, Lynn and Jaime Garcia, FanRag’s Jon Heyman writes. (A report earlier today also connected the Yankees to Dan Straily.) As was previously reported, the Yankees do not want to part with Gleyber Torres or Clint Frazier. Still, teams expect Gray to be traded before Sunday, when he’s scheduled to start.
- The Yankees “might take” first baseman Yonder Alonso to help “facilitate” a Gray deal, but they aren’t currently focused on first base, ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick writes (Twitter links). If the Athletics don’t reduce their price for Gray, the Yankees are prepared to look elsewhere. To state the obvious, Alonso is a terrific asset in his own right, and does not fit the profile of a player a team would take merely to facilitate a trade. The first baseman is batting .262/.360/.525 with 21 home runs this season.
Alonso has come back down to earth since his hot start, and he’s not good on defense or on the bases. It’s also hilarious to me if anyone really thinks the A’s were serious about trying to extend him!
What the hell are you talking about Alonso has been gold glove worthy this season. His bat has cooled down but he is a superior defender still.
Apparently this guy hasn’t watched him play
Obviously not… No one can initiate a 3-6-3 double play like Alonso.
Anthony Rizzo turns 3-6-3 DPs in his sleep. No one turns a DP Like Rizzo. Alonso isn’t half the defender at 1st that Rizzo is.
Someone’s in love….
Alonso sleeps with his shortstop?!?! I assume Semien because of the name.
Alonso is not 25% the defender Rizzo is
He is probably referring to his .208/.315/.403/.717 line for the month of July. Which….. by any metric is off from his .281/.376/.567/.943 line entering July.
Don’t forget his .786 OPS for June. His value has long passed. His numbers will reflect his career .742 OPS by the end of the season. A’s should have traded him in May.
Wrong Alonso has always been good defensively
He has a -9 DRS, -2.7 UZR and -1.4 dWAR. Hes garbage with the glove
He’s ranked 19/27 in 1b defensive war.
24/24 in DRS
19/24 in UZR/150
Try turning on your tv and watching….cause it sure aren’t watching any A’s games!
One of the reasons I hate new advanced metrics is conversations like these. So many people who don’t actually know or watch baseball say this guy sucks and spit out some metrics. These people don’t even watch the game anymore it’s awful
Or, they allow you to view players objectively instead of subjectively, eliminating bias
Although I agree that many don’t watch baseball anymore I also think it’s comical to dismiss advanced metrics when EVERY front office uses them to evaluate talent. You’re telling me that if I watch more baseball I’ll have an eye to spot a gold glove fielder? Come on average fans whether they watch or don’t aren’t scouts and I’ll take the metrics over your “eye” lol
cuz you watch every single game of every first basemen to compare his defense to them, right? No, you don’t do that? So your opinion on his ability to play first base is based on a limited selection and small sample? Great argument. You are truly much smarter than those who don’t know or watch baseball and just spit out stats!
The idea that you can properly evaluate every single player compared to all of the others simply by your eye test is stupid and arrogant. But yeah, darn those people with their objective stats that DO have samples of all the other people who play that position.
Rabble rabble rabble get off my lawn!
The metrics, which I like, also say that Arenado isn’t a top 3 defender at 3rd which is laughable. Metrics are useful but not everything.
It’s true that defensive metrics are objective. But a metric’s only as useful as its methodology is reliable, and valuations need to be not only objective but, most importantly, accurate. Defensive performance is a difficult animal to measure. The methodology is still evolving and not quite where it needs to be yet on a consistent basis.
Whether Alonso’s DRS and UZR accurately reflect his overall defensive performance, I don’t know. Sometimes, watching the games helps identify things the metrics are missing or excluding. For instance, for 1Bs, the ability to convert a fielder’s throw into an out – whether it’s high, wide, in the dirt, or requires a long stretch or even a tag – seems paramount. When the 1B fails, the error almost always goes on the throwing fielder, affecting his defensive valuation without regard to the 1B’s performance. It seems like a 1B who consistently converts more difficult throws from fielders into outs should be valued accordingly, but that’s tough to capture statistically.
Exactly!well played
What this guy said. Couldn’t have said it better myself. A fan spitting out DRS, UZR, OPS is the most boring conversation ever. Look at your audience. We don’t care.
-9 DRS
Not sure what you’re judging him by. He’s a negative -8.9 this year and has been historically below average defensively for his career.
In addition, he’s never posted a WAR higher than what it is right now (1.8). Get your head out of the clouds. He’s a decent player having a career year.
Haha! Alonso is not good on defense? Watch some games man. He’s VERY good defensively.
Advanced metrics say otherwise. Then again, they always seem so maddingly inconsistent, so meh
fair, but if every single one is pointing in the same direction, it shouldnt just be discarded lol
If you would watch a game you would see he picks it better than most first baseman but that doesn’t go into drs that’s why it is a useless metric
EVERY 1b has negative defensive value according to those rankings….
According to fangraphs (fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&#…), he was in the top half for defense as a first baseman last year.
And a lot of defensive metrics are wildly inconsistent from year to year. Lingering injuries also aren’t factored in to defensive metrics either (not saying that this is the case here)
Ok. The fact that every 1b has a negative UZR is valid. How does one then call him above average or good when he ranks 19th among the 27 1B with at least 300 PA? There are only 8 ranked worse than him!
You guys can’t just ignore these things called facts. He is NOT above average, he’s not even average.
Yes they all have negative, and his is more negative than a lot of them. So….?
Totally agree, the metrics say he hasn’t been good this year defensively. Defensive metrics are very finicky from year to year though. It’s much more reliable to view multiple years of defensive metrics, rather than just a half of a year.
Not arguing he’s either good or bad. Alonso never really intrigued me as a fan to pay close attention. However, in the past he has had a reputation for being defensively sound.
Half a year of defensive data just isn’t that reliable when trying to make a judgment on a player’s talents.
Breaking news guys: 3 way trade with Marlins, Cardinals and Royals;
Cardinals get Yordano Ventura
Marlins get Oscar Taveras
Royals get Jose Fernandez
Edgy
Morbid.
Not funny.
Gotta have fun. I was devastated with all 3. In fact, I travelled to FL to check out Jose’s monument. I guess I’m just stressed about the Red Sox!
Not really sure what it had to do with this tread though.
Yes on Dan Straily for the Yanks and no on Alonso. No huge prospect cost and Headley is doing fine at first,while Alonso is showing his true colors.
Dan straily shaving his beard, that would mean the end of the world as we know it!!!!!!
Gray will be in Yankee pinstripes I don’t want these other guys, Straily has been a journey man before this year with the Marlins look it up don’t want him.
I don’t trust Straily. That’s just a move being made just to make a move.
I wouldn’t either. He was being cut by half the teams in the league just a couple of years ago. He’s been good for a year and a half and clearly has good stuff, but I’m also skeptical how well he will continue to pitch.
Finally! Some Sonny Gray talk! I haven’t seen this much coverage since Bud Norris was available a few years back
Bud Norris is available now too!
I think Beane is hoping someone will eventually cave and pay a higher price for Gray, but Cashman has been very disciplined since acquiring all of that minor league talent last year. They’re going to get a starter, but it’s not looking like it will be Gray.
Yankees don’t deserve Gray anyway. Really hope Beans doesn’t send him there.
Lol they don’t want him as much as you think
What a douche
How do you define “don’t deserve Gray anyway”? OMG
The “deserve” line is one of the most awesomely absurd things I’ve read on this site in a while. Thank you, friend.
I hope Beane doesn’t trade Gray to NY. Cashman would rather hold on to his prospects so its better for the A’s not to trade their best starter for some low minor prospects. Gray is worth a top prospect not some back up 4th outfielder or some # 5 starter that may never pitch above AAA. Gray will be worth much more during the winter meetings with the free agent starter market being so weak.
You’ve posted this same stuff at least three times and having a recurring theme doesn’t change things. Darvish,Cueto…
This guy is a troll^
Mindless is spot on. Volley the return or stfu.
LOL…so you would rather take a lesser projected prospect package, just so the Yanks can’t get him. That is why you are not a GM. Doesn’t make good baseball sense.
There are about 5-7 teams that are interested in Gray. If the A’s don’t get what they want they should keep Gray until the off season. The A’s have too many timeS settled for mediocre prospects in return and it has bitten them in the ass. Only 1 team will win the series and the rest will be sitting there wondering “what if” they made the trade for Gray..
Silly…yanks offering a good package for a good pitcher, not throw away prospects. Just ridiculous.
You must be an Oakland follower, what did you say when he was on the DL?
The Yanks have a deep system. Your post is absurd for many reasons. First off, it’s been said the Yanks have the best offer on the table already. Why should they bid against themselves? It says they are still discussing other players other than Torres and Frazier so that means the A’s are still interested in what the Yanks have.
That being said, a teams # 3 or #4 might still be better than whatever some other team might be offering. Also, it’s all a matter of what kind of player the A’s want. They might have a different evaluation of a player than what Baseball America, you, me or your momma might have.
The Yanks had 7 guys ranked in the top 100. Le’t not like the Yanks are offering AAA depth players for Gray..
Yankees are thinking long term…so if they have to give up top prospects, it’s not going to happen. Teams are extending talent into their free agent years and each new CBA suppresses spending, especially with loss of future talent in both picks in the draft and spending restrictions for international talent, so holding high ceiling prospects just makes sense, because making it up in free agency is risky, in regards to age of players (30 something mostly now) when they reach the open market and costly in bidding against so many other teams and luxury tax for exceeding the cap. And Cashman has always been very level headed, it’s probably Hank or Randy Levine who push Cashman to do irresponsible moves. If he is in charge, which he seems to be now, no silly, short sighted moves will be made. S. Gray is great but for 2 1/2 years and a real injury risk, he will not give up Torres or Frazier.
@yankeefanatic
Looking long term in baseball terms is a max of six years. Prime players do not ordinarily sign away years of top dollar potential. The NYY must maximize the opportunity while it’s there. Judge may be gone in 5. That’s why Gray fits, and prospects will be moved.
He’s been very good since before last year. Just so happens what he did last year was so impressive that the layman started paying attention.
Not worth Frazier or Torres
Gray worth more than a team’s 8th best prospect and a bunch of A ball prospects.
The fact that it’s the teams 8th best prospect doesn’t mean anything, the Yankees farm system is so deep their 8th best prospect could be the best in another system
Mateo would be the A’s 5th best prospect. Don’t over rate your farm system this is not the NY post or daily.
Fair enough, I said could and never said in the A’s organization but sure.
I agree he’s worth more then the 8th best but he isn’t worth the number 3 overall prospect or a guy who’s shown so far he’s a everyday outfielder
That is kinda hard to figure out since neither Mateo or Beck are ranked in the top 100 prospects.
Any fan saying such things, obviously doesn’t know the yankee farm and is not realistic about how trades work. No mlb player gets 8 prospects back in return. And I am willing to bet both Frazier and Torres will each be worth more over 6 seasons than Gray over 2 1/2.
Yankees 8th best prospect is 2nd best on most teams.
#1 on half the teams in MLB.
You got buuuurrrnnnneeeddd!
The Yankees 8th best prospect is worth more than most teams 1st best prospect.. Unless the Astros panic and overpay, Beane would do well to grab 3 or 4 double A/low A prospects headlined by studs like Florial and Mateo/Acevedo. And Beane is no dummy.
Ok, time to stop this complete garbage. I’m so sick of seeing these ridiculous comments on every Yankees article that I decided to put a little research in. This is all based off MLB.com’s updated prospect rankings, and I’m going to use the Yankees #6 prospect, Justus Sheffield, because he’s their last top 100 guy.
Here would be Sheffield’s ranking on every team:
#1 – KC, LAA, MIA
#2 – SEA, TEX, BAL, CHC, AZ, SF
#3 – CLE, BOS, DET, WAS, NYM
#4 – TOR, OAK, COL, MIL, PIT
#5 – MIN, STL
#6 – HOU, TB, CIN
#7 – LAD, SD, PHI
#8 – ATL
#9 – CHW
There you go. These ideas that the Yankee’s 8th best prospect is top 2 on most teams, #1 on half the teams in the MLB, or worth more than most teams 1st best prospect are absolutely ridiculous. There #8 prospect isn’t even a top 100 guy according to MLB.com. Even if you want to change #8 to #6, like I did, these arguments are still false. Their #6 prospect would rank the same, if not worse, for nearly as many teams as he’d rank top 2 on (8 vs. 9)
And no, this is not me trying to diminish the Yankee’s farm system; they have a very good farm system with a lot of depth. But this extremely homer idea that every player in their top 10 is God’s gift to baseball is absolutely ridiculous and waaaaaay over the top.
I;m shocked you spent that much time to prove a point. Good for you.
Doing God’s work around here, Priggs. Yankee homers need a reality check.
Stop acting like you know who IS being offered. It’ll save you from looking silly if a deal ends up getting done.
I agree that Gray is not worth trading Frazier or Torres. If thats who Beane insists on then he can keep Gray. No way do the Yankees need Alonso. They are better off with Headley playing first. Hopefully Cashman walks away from this.
I disagree. Two and a half years of control and cheap. That’s worth almost any unproven prospect no matter how valuable. But I’m not a GM and if Cashman wants to roll the dice and horde his top prospects hoping they pam out that’s good with me and probably most Yankee fans.
As an As fan I’m good with it because Of hate to see Sonny go to NY.
So far so good hoarding them lol
And over that 2 1/2 years how many times might you think it possible, given his recent health history, that he might…just might hit the DL?
Valuable if he takes the ball 32 times x 2 1/2 years but that given his history seems improbable.
If you’re going by “recent health history” then you can argue that he might miss ~10 starts in the next 2.5 years since that’s about what he’s missed in the last 2.5 years.
If you’ve watched him throw, it’s clear the mechanic issues that lingered last year are not there any longer.
But I suppose if the media in NY is going to keep tossing around his “injury history” then it’s probable that most people buy into it without actually knowing anything about said history.
Always next year for yanks with those prospects they not willing to send. mayb they pan out. And mayb they dont loose in the first round this year
I have been a Yankee fan since 1963- l don’t want him because I think he is overrated.
Aaron Judge is the one who is overrated. That’s all they show on ESPN and MLB’s website.
Why are you penning this on the “media in NY”? I haven’t hear them discuss it. How about anyone with a computer and common sense? Trump…..is that you?
Haha, Judge overrated. Might want to look up his numbers?
Whoooops
Cashman is going to walk away with Gray is the only walking he will be doing.
Who is Torres? A guy with 96 AAA at bats who is on DL for rest of year? Gray is a top of Rotation starter who can lead a team to the championship. The reason Yankees farm system is ranked so high is because other teams stud prospects are in the majors . Trout Harper bryant aren’t in minor any more.
May be Frazier, but not Torres for sure.
Red Rocket (Thunder) not going anywhere!
Did you just refer to Clint Frazier as a dog’s penis?
It appears so
This is a blue chip comment.
No he is not which is why no one is offering top prospects for him…
Torres is hurt n may never be right again. Yank fans think he’s going to be the next Jeter will have their feeling hurt. You be lucky if he plays next year in AAA
He is going to be ready for Spring Training, and has already played in AAA.
He is going to start in AAA, if he isn’t in the majors.
May never be right again? Dude, he had TJS, and he’s not a pitcher. I think the chances of him never being right again are minuscule at best. He already played this year in AAA. And he was doing pretty well, too.
would definitely like to have gray but not at oakland’s asking price. it’s a shame too, because the A’s could’ve had some high potential prospects and we could’ve cleared some 40 man space for next year.
Who is “we”? What team do you work for?
Found the semantics douche
Agree with Robert Kachel. There is an annoying tendency for folks to speak about their preferred team as if that team’s victories are a personal accomplishment for them. A symptom of this idiocy is overuse of first person plurals like “we” and “us” when only first person singular is appropriate. Calling him a “douche” (guess you’re allowed to do that here now) doesn’t change the fact that he is correct. Don’t like it? Too bad.
Fans are apart of a team. Without them, these players don’t get paid. So actually you are incorrect.
“Fans are apart of a team.”
Um, no, they/you are not part of the team. You deserve no blame for your team’s losses and no credit for their victories. You are an observer not a participant.
“Without them, these players don’t get paid.”
That is kinda sorta true in that MLB as an enterprise wouldn’t exist without fans/customers. But ownership/management doesn’t consult with fans when making decisions. Since they hold a monopoly over MLB they assume their fans are stuck with them.
“So actually you are incorrect.”
You haven’t made your point that ‘fans are a part of a team’ at all. But you have demonstrated, once again, that fans like to think of themselves as part of the team. But the truth is the team only needs your money. Being a customer/fan of a team makes you exactly that, a customer and a fan. You are not, thereby, in the baseball business. Cheers.
What’s your problem? Do all of your favorite teams suck or something? As part of a fan base I always feel like I’m part of the team too. A lot of us are so invested emotionally and in some cases financially. Just because you don’t seem to feel the same way doesn’t mean there’s a need for your internet crusade. In the end you just come off as a jerk and you’re changing no ones opinion
Good hold onto him then, if Billy doesn’t get what he wants he should have no issue with holding onto him. Sonny is a stud and is under team control for another 2 years. Dont trade him unless you get what you’re asking for Billy! Would love to keep seeing Sonny in an A’s uni for the next couple years
Sonny gray is a volatile commodity to bet your future on any given day he could blow out a shoulder or elbow again and miss the rest of the season then you’d be again waiting until next summer auctioning him for even less. 2.5 years of control is the best time to market a pitcher because you have desperate teams trying to make a push for a title while in winter meetings you have time to view alternative options not 2 days like they have now. Beane is just holding until one team gets desperate enough to give him something. But every team speaking with him has been disciplined enough to balk at that notion.
He had one injured season but has made as many starts as Kershaw or King Felix the last several years.
I’m glad Yankees fans feel the way you do to be honest though.
Lofl
Any team should only be concerned with what he’s done the last 2 years. That’s all that is relevant.
because that doesn’t describe every pitcher or anything like that…..
The Yankees rotation is terrible, and Gray would instantly become their best pitcher. Don’t give up Torres/Frazier, but if you could get him for Florial, Mateo and Adams, then you definitely do that
LoL..not terrible…iffy but not terrible and with the newly acquired bullpen, very formidable.Especially if they have a healthy offense.
Severino is not terrible. Sabathia has been pretty good and so has Montgomery.
Yankees rotation is terrible? Please provide proof. Florial, Mateo, and Adams is severe overpay. That’s definitely not happening.
I wouldn’t call it that, but i would call it reasonable, should through in another upside a-baller.
You described every pitcher. Pitchers get hurt, it happens. I would rather pay top prospects than Darvish or Arrieta 20-25mil a yr.
he has pitched more than King Felix, Kershaw, and Strasburg, what do you mean he’s always injured. he had one unhealthy year and everybody thinks he’s being held together with tape
I mean sure but we’ve seen in the pat couple seasons that any pitcher can get hurt like that
Ultimately time will tell. No team he is in negotiations with is offering their top 1 or even 2 prospects and the Yanks currently have the best package on the table, so if one of the teams who desire Gray blinks, great for the A’s. But if none give in, and that package of players go on to play somewhere and they are good or even great, A’s loss. Maybe even by next season, we could see various players from the teams he turned down begin to hit mlb and do quite well. I am willing to bet that with maybe Domingo Acevedo or one of the pitching prospects the yanks may offer will be pitching somewhere as soon as next year, maybe even right after the trade deadline.
Headley may have found a home at first, he doesn’t have to throw the ball that much, but I would trade for either Gray long term or Lynn. Both have been good in their career and since the All Star break. Gray is more long term and will cost more prospects, while Lynn will cost less.
Thanks for the synopsis covering everything written above
“Dan Straily would be a great alternative to Sonny Gray. In a decisive game 5, or game 7 for that matter, I would rather have Straily than Gray any day of the week.”- Nobody every.
Top prospects are generally traded for top performers. Mediocre prospects are usually traded for mediocre performers.
Being a Brewer fan I hope they don’t give up Brinson. Realistically they are not WS team with Gray or any one player. Would much rather see them use some of there own young player’s this year and go for it in a couple years as originally planned. There pitching is not good enough for a 7 game series with the Dodgers or Washington.
Gray isnt going anywhere. Nobody is offering fair value for him and that’s fine. A’s will keep their guy who has rebounded in a big way.
Yup! It would take an overwhelming package to move Gray at this point. If Gray is traded, I will be heartbroken, but I am sure that I will be thrilled with the talent coming our way. My issue with a Gray trade is that he is the guy to be the ace of a 2019 rotation consisting of something along the lines of Gray, Manaea, Graveman, Puk and Grant Holmes.
You and everyone knows those guys won’t all pan out or will be dealt…this is the A’s you’re talking about!
So which of the Yankee’s prospects you feel won’t pan out? Or is it only true of other teams?
Sorry to tell you, but he is probably worth less in the offseason because teams would rather just spend money, only if pitchers of the caliber of someone like Chris Sale, is that true, and Gray is a level below him, with a durability issue Sale did not come with. Sorry but Gray best trade time might be now,. But there may be a slight chance Bean gets more at a later date, but not likely.
Why do you hate the Yankees and the fan base?
I get that the As are trying to get the best return for Gray as they should try. However by asking for a top prospect from,Yankees, Braves Beermens, Dodgers, the As are taking a big gimbal, the longer that the As wait the lower value that they will get back for Gray. If I am the As I try to him as soon as passable before teams move on to a different starter unless off course I am willing to accept a lesser value back in return.
Unless they extend him in the off-season, adding another 2 years of control.
They absolutely should not sell him low and allow themselves to be fleeced. He’s the best asset on the market in a sellers market, and if teams don’t want to pay that’s their prerogative. Start next year with Gray and Manaea at the top of a rotation.
Beane allows himself to get fleeced all the time. It’ll happen.
Yikes, so one bad Beane trade and he “allows himself to get fleeced all the time.” Enlighten me on how the Oakland A’s acquired Josh Donaldson in the first place? That is right, Billy fleeced the Cubs, landed Josh Donaldson, and the A’s added two more Division Titles to their crowded Trophy Case while making three straight postseasons and leading the entire AL in wins during that three year 2012-2014 stretch, all with a bottom five payroll. It is miraculous.
Lastly, during Billy Beane’s 20 years the proud Oakland A’s have won 6 Division Titles (up their total to 16 Division Titles and 4 World Championships in Oakland since 1968, both the best out West over that time frame) made 8 postseasons, won 20 straight games, and won 74 games or more every year from 1999-2014.
The A’s are just beginning their first proper rebuild under Beane (can’t rebuild when your team is making the playoffs one out of every three years), and A’s fans couldn’t be more excited.
They have the 9th most wins in all of MLB over Beane’s tenure, again, playing an unfair game, as any Yankee fan in here will unblushingly tell you. In fact, 2015-2016 marked the first time since 1999 that the A’s had draft picks higher than 9th overall (selecting 6th in 2015 and 6th in 2016), a testament to the consistency they’ve achieved against all odds. They are in the midst of a 2 1/2 year rebuild and the young talented they are accumulating will coincide with the long overdue new ballpark in Oakland which will be announced later this year by new team President Dave Kaval. But for everyone pretending Beane is juts going to give in to the Yankees request for a commodity like Sonny Gray is laughable, as is the lack of knowledge exhibited by the sheep in this forum who know very little about the game, the history, and about Sonny Gray, who would insistently become the best SP on the Yanks if that is where he is dealt.
Please study up and be careful not to spit against the wind.
Much respect…thanks for history. But if Bean’s price remains that high I am sure the Yanks will walk, but being shroud gets you the most when you are working with less, and I respect that, which Cashman can also be, and is probably why the two teams don’t trade with one another.
Good call Yankeefanatic, I agree and I wouldn’t mind if the Yanks walk away. Both teams need to do what is best for themselves.
Goodluck!
Severino is having a better year than Gray
that’s very true…A’s fans are not doing their homework before posting!
Got fleeced in Tim Hudson trade
It’d be interesting to see the asking price for gray and straily
I don’t get why the dodgers just don’t give like 3 top 100 prospects including buelher Calhoun and yusniel Diaz. Buelher and Calhoun are both MLB ready
Also gray is a monster and is very young and controllable if the yanks won’t give a top prospect I hope the dodgers do
Yeah I would hate for dodgers to get another stud pitcher… the dodgers weakness is durability of SP, they add another solid 2 in gray they should be set up nicely.
Sonny gray had two good years. And in the past two years hasn’t done that well. Not enough to part with a top 5 prospect in my opionion
He is only 27, and he is making 3.5M dollars this year. That’s it. Plus, any team that trades for him will get him at a cheap rate for the next two years as well, along with the rights to negotiate an extension.
He is definitely worth a top 5 prospect, especially when you consider how weak the 2015 draft class was. The top 100 prospects are full of as many busts as there are stars. There are no correa’s, bryant’s, harper’s, or trout’s in the top 100 right now. Heck, the number 1 prospect in baseball is batting .133 right now in his second cup of coffee in the bigs.
Nvm I’m making it Alvarez Calhoun Diaz
Alvarez White and Diaz for Gray. Alvarez is the only one of the top 4 prospects the dodgers would deal and adding in White would definitely be enough to satisfy Billy Beane. The Dodgers should go for Gray over Darvish he’s starting to suck and the FO doesn’t like rentals besides the Hill Redick trade last year.
The Yankees do not need to win this year………….they are looking at 2018 and beyond and will keep their prospects unless someone magically turns Sonny Gray from a good solid pitcher into Sale or Kershaw.
Gray is not a transformative player; he is quite good but not worth disrupting the larger vision that Cashman has constructed. Add Harper and / or Kershaw to the Yankees in 2018-19 and you are set for five years.
Kersh won’t leave the dodgers
Agreed.
Your dreaming. Another Yanks fan dreaming CK not a FA for one in 2019. It’s only an opt. He will never leave the Dodgers.
Because if Judge dout Harper goes to the Yankees as much as Yank fans think so. Not the good old days. To add he already said he won’t play any other where except RF. to add said it not once or twice the Yankees are not his choice to go to not even a 2nd choice. He already said he wants to go to the Cubs n Is very very good friends with KB including both their wives. So whatever. Yank fans think they got everything figured out. Lol. Up for more years of whining n complaining on the boards n disappointment.
Winners of 6 straight, 8 out of the last 9, and currently in first place. No complaints from us right now.
Appreciate the concern you have for us.
Where did this doozy come from. 1. Gammons he admitted to being wrong about Harper going to the Cubs. 2. I’ve never read Harper refusing to play nothing but RF 3. Finally Kershaw opt out is 2018. wow
If no one wants to offer top prospects, got to think a team like the Cubs could snag him. They could probably part with Almora, plus their current top prospects to get him. The whole advantage other teams had was they had better top talent in system, but if that’s not available, I don’t see yanks outbidding Cubs. Dodgers are another team that could still outbid them, but if they don’t want to include some top talent I could see Gray going to the Cubs, Nationals, Mariners.
Probably would take a third team to get Gray for the cubs. They would probably offer Schwarber as a center piece but the A’s already have Davis as a DH. If they could swap Schwarber for a top prospect from another team a trade could be made. Wouldn’t ever rule out the cubs GM in coming up with a 3 team trade.
The way schwarbs has been playing I doubt he’s moved. I see them trading happ before schwarber. I think Almora, candelario, caratini, are great pieces, plus a top pitching prospect or two alzolay, de la cruz, albertos
If the Cubs were to offer Happ they could some how maybe work out a deal. the A’s could use Happ much more than Shwarber since the A’s defense is the worst in baseball.
Lackey and a prospect to the O’s and they send a better prospect to the A’s?
Schwarber would be good for the A’s because he could play DH, Healy who is the DH right now would be moved to 1B if they can get rid of alonso, Chapman (2018 gold glover) can play 3B full time. Also if they want to give Davis a rest they can put Schwarber in left. And if they can get Russell back too which I doubt but I pray to God happens, he can play SS and Lowrie and Semien could share time at 2B until next year.
Russell & Jeimer Candelerio back to the A’s for the Godfather’s son.
Not a bad offer, Russell returns home. How many years of control does Russell have though?
The Gray overrating by Yankee haters is absurd. He’s hurt a ton and his metrics aren’t amazing. He went from very under-appreciated to overrated pretty damn quickly. I’d be happy missing the playoffs altogether and going on a shopping spree the next 2 offseasons. We weren’t supposed to be good anyway this year so anything we’ve done is a bonus as far as I’m concerned.
I don’t think he’s overrated but I also don’t think he’s the ace many have made him out to be. And clearly the Yankees don’t either, hence the lack of a deal thus far.
I disagree though, just because the Yankees weren’t expected to win doesn’t mean they shouldn’t go for it. While the Dodgers and Astros are clearly the top of each league, but the best regular season team doesn’t always win. Plus Yankees bullpen is set up to win now and in the future
I have been saying Cashman has been holding back all these years. With the exception of the Elsbury and McCann signings they have passed on a ton of free agents that they would have grabbed if King George was still with us.
I think he is blowing it here. Gray still has some control and is young. The Yankees only have one promising pitching prospect, Honeywell. They would be wise to move Torres or Frazier in a package. Pineda is gone for a year. Tanaka and Sabathia are most likely gone. Severino and Montgomery are really the only long term pieces in the rotation.
You mean the Honeywell that’s on the Rays? What about Adams, Sheffield?
Glad you’re not the Yankees GM.
Its not worth cleaning out the farm for this guy….Sale would have been a yes, but Gray is a no!
Never heard of a Yankee prospect named Honeywell. I doubt that Tanaka is going to opt out. Cashman is smart to not give up Torres or Frazier. They will both be starters for NY next year.
Of course they will be on NY they have nobody
I would be shocked if he doesn’t opt out. He can do better than a 3 year contract if he was a free agent. Jeff Samardjiza for god’s sake got $90M/5yrs
Partial UCL tear and terrible numbers this season aren’t really the type of things you want on your resumé going in to free agency.
Yea I had to read that a couple times. Got to be another teams fan stirring things. After Monday no more A’s fans hopefully,let them trade him at the winter meetings. Padres fans have been sparse since the Yanks didn’t trade for MR Hand!
Yanks just need a healthy starter than can keep them in games, and as insurance if someone else gets hurt. Cessa isn’t cutting it in the 5 spot.
Vote to keep Gray… Let those playoff hopeful to stick to their price rookies see how are they doing coming October if them youngsters are on their big league rosters…
I assumed that, like “Buster” Posey or “Mookie” Betts (Gerald and Markus, actually) Sonny Gray was a nickname.
Nope, his parents named him Sonny.
ARod and cc’s salaries plus are coming off the books. Which will make the Yankees dangerous again in the free agent market. So there really is no reason to overpay for anybody
Doesn’t CC have a player’s option which pays him a hefty price for 1 year. no doubt he will use his option year for a big pay day.
He does
No he doesn’t. 2017 was a vesting option. Last year of his deal.
Nope. That option was this season. He’s a FA
It’s a team option
No. As KnicksCavsFan said, he had a vesting option after last season which vested and made him pitch for the Yanks in 2017. He’s a FA after this season. No options.
Yea you guys are right..my bad
Don’t fold Brewers. Gray would be a great get but not at the price of Brinson. If he continues to develop he will be in Center for the Brewers for a very long time. Gray isn’t worth an organizations top prospect
Agree
Agreed
He’s most definitely worth some organizations top prospect. But all organizations top prospects aren’t equal either. I do think Brinson will be a good player so I’m not sure I would trade him either.
Sonny gray welcome to the Cubs. Let’s go get him.
Candelerio and Russell or Baez
Cubs are definitely not trading Baez or Russell unless it would be for archer.
Archer is not available. The rays are good now, and will be for at least a couple of years.
3.80 e.r.a. meh.
Russell? yes .. Baez? No
If Cashman had been smart then he would have given the White Sox anything they wanted for Sale. Torres is hurt and Frazier is well with giving up for a guy who every year has the potential to win a CY Young award. His greed was foolish
LOL…99% of Yankee fans will disagree with you.
99% are morons just by the simple fact they’re dumb enough to be Yankee fans
I totally disagree, at that time the Yanks didn’t know what they had in Sanchez, Judge, Hicks, Severino, and Montgomery. Now they know they are close to winning it, and Cashman smells blood in the water. Torres and Frazier will be starters for a long time. Sale made the Sox the favorites this year, they need to win the world series to call it a good year.
Wow…the few players that have made the Yanks decent this year are the same players that would’ve been included in a trade for Sale (Severino, Judge and others). It’s all about timing. :ast year’s offense sucked. This year’s offense is much better and Judge is the main reason. If the Yanks had traded for Sale he would be the best pitcher on a 75 win team.
Does anyone know what Oakland has asked in return for Gray from the Indians? Are they still talking?
1 of their 2 top prospects. Meja with a package of other prospects. Indians made Meja untouchable so the talks went nowhere. Zimmer was another name but indians but made him untouchable too.
I’m an A’s fan and can totally understand anyone not wanting to give up top prospects. After all what hurts more than one of those prospects coming back to beat you in 2-3 years. On the other hand the A’s will not part with Sonny just to get rid of him by the deadline. They have control for 2 more years and could possibly get a better deal in the off season.
TBH I don’t knows who’s more dilusionsl. Yank fans or LAD fans with their trade ideas. They get someone he’s the next best thing to Jesus and its a great trade n ripped the other team. They want someone they want to come up with garbage. Sorry the real mlb trades don’t work that way. Wish they did. Yank fans were 100% sure they Get Gray jumping up n down like fools. Now that they aren’t he is garbage right n not worth anything. That why the Yanks can keep dreaming about their prospects. Talk to me in 2021 I bet my life they still won’t have a WS.
Cubs set the market when that got Q no matter what your view. Some teams are trying to win in their window time. No sense if talking 2022 or 23 or 24. The earth may not even last that long or you fans. Live now or take a dive don’t b^*tch later.
TBH
Gray Britton Darvish and Verlander will probably go nowhere. So you dance with your crazy trade ideas all day. Unless top prospects or mlb ready players are going there’s no sense if talking about it waste of time. Takes two to trade not just what you want.
Could be on some of that,but it’s not just Yankees and Dodger fans with lame trade ideas. There’s quite a few A’s fans building Grays worth and especially that of Alonso. News to you by 2021 the Yankees will have a couple of those prospects preforming plus a player or three from FA,so I’ll take that bet! We’ll see come Tuesday morning if those players are wearing other uniforms,until then trade ideas will keep appearing.
You’re right. A’s fans have been just as “delusional” in over valuing Gray. Of course that didn’t get mentioned.
So you think a #2 starting pitcher with 2 years left after this year is not worth a top prospect is crazy. I can understand if Gray was a FA at the end of the year but he is not. So how does it benefit the A’s to get a team’s 1oth best prospects and a few throw ins for a #2 starter? Why do yank fans think the A’s owe them a starter. ? Darvish and Verlander is on the market too go after them. How about Straily? A’s said if they don’t get what they want they will hold onto him. Any smart GM would do the same thing.
It goes both ways I agree ctguy.
Straily is fine.
Most Yankee fans respect Beane, but real fans follow the minors and what their prospects are projected to be, and they trust the front office, so they are ok if the Yanks walk away.
Most Yankee fans over value prospects but GMs usually make even trades, at least on paper. And trades usually take years to actually determine who won, or if both teams loss or won. And I believe the Yanks have many good prospects who are going to make it in the majors.
I agree cereal. My only point is fans try to come up with all these ideas. Most are junk and they couldn’t be a GM in mlb if their life depended on it. No different than FA. Sure you can buy everyone up but it don’t work that way. This is a business win or lose. Everyone thinks they are so smart. Prospects mean nothing on paper. Everyone was a prospect at one time. 98% are just ave baseball players. There have been a lot higher ranked prospects in mlb than the current list of the Yanks Dodgers Braves players right now that are not worth the time to even talk about and just had ave Carter’s or below average. CK wasn’t even in the top 10. Then their guys who are garbage that ranked in the Top 20. You never know. One thing for sure if it takes only one player to get you n poss win a title you go for it.
Thing is the Yanks aren’t one player from going all the way this year. I would love to get Gray but would settle for a starter with lesser cost”Staily” like I posted earlier. I’ve been critical of a few Yankee fans trade proposals,one who valued Rutherford too much. I hope the Yankees FO doesn’t overreact and make a big trade and instead stay the course for the future…2019
No disrespect to you, but I am willing to bet Gray’s 2 1/2 years is not worth six years of Frazier and Torres is projected to be better than Frazier. Teams give up 3 and 4 prospects because they might not make it in mlb, but in the case of Frazier, he looks very capable right now. GMs don’t make decisions based on emotion, but fans make comments based on it. We will see who wins titles over the next 6 years.
Trades aren’t made because value over the long hall. If the NYYs trade for Gray and he stays healthy, wins 15 games with a sub 3.50 ERA and they a title in the next 3 years, no one cares about what they lost to get him. If they don’t make a trade and Tanaka gives up 4 HRs in 2 innings in a playoff game people are going to be mad.
Interesting talk about “see me in 2021 and I bet the Yanks won’t have a WS”. With all of his great metrics and supposed wizardry at drafting players when’s the last time the A’s won a ring again? 1990? How many stud players have passed thru the mlb team since then? Please save that talk. Win a LDS and then come see me A’s are 2-6 in the last 20 years of league play.
Don’t be mad Knicks caves fan I’m only speaking the truth. I bet you real cash money anytime you want to meet me in person the Yanks won’t win a WS by the time 2021 season starts. Put up or shut up big shot.
Well…..if teams are “waiting” to make moves for other pitchers until Gray is dealt, they might be waiting a while!
I’m starting to like the idea of Lance Lynn coming to the Yankees. I’d like to see Sonny join us too.
Gray pulled from his start tomorrow, here we go……
here we go giving up torres 🙁
Have to think Beane faces pressure given his recent moves that haven’t panned out. Giving up a top ten prospect in Addison Russell for the Shark who was flipped for no one closer to Russell, and you never get the same value back when you trade an MVP player who is arb eligible. Oakland simply can’t afford to get anything more than the moon for Gray, their last piece that can fetgc anything meaningful from those playoff teams a few years back
Addison Russell: 240/312/407 44HR Career
Marcus Semien: 245/307/409 53HR Career
Not close at all.. Brilliant
Addison Russell also had 95 RBI last season in the clutch and has a 45 defensive runs saved in his career, compared to Marcus Semien’s -1 defensive runs saved.
RBI’s ???? Let’s talk pitchers wins too and how relevant they are to a players true worth. Russell is pretty clutch wife beater though. That I’ll give you.
while RBI’s aren’t exactly the best stat, they still hold some value. Knowing how to get a guy in from 3rd with one out holds value.
It’s all hearsay right now.
Yeah like chapman hu. Oh yeah the guy w 4 blown saves n era in high 3,s. If that were true mlb would have suspended him. But another dunce idiot believing everything he reads.
We’ll just wait have to wait and see, but nothing has been said of the matter since the friend’s post.
Put semien in the middle of that lineup he gets 95 easy last year with his 27 homers and 70+ rbi’s in a terrible Oakland lineup
That is a great point, a lot of people thought the A’s lost that deal completely but it wasn’t as bad as people thought considering we flipped shark for Semien
I guess you don’t value defense…
The value of Addison Russell as a top 10 prospect in BASEBALL at the time of him being traded usurps the value Semien had when Oakland acquired him
Usurp my balls
If we won’t give up Florial for Gray (not even Torres, Clint, etc)…just Florial…that’s not Beane getting greedy. That’s on us. We’re the ones being greedy. Florial and less for Gray is fair value.
It definitely wouldn’t be straight up, there would be more pieces coming from the Yankees
I am sure the Yankees offered 3 or 4 good prospects…probably 4. People get caught up with prospect rankings, but if any A’s fan checks out the Yankee fan and their minor league AA and AAA system, there many good prospects. Check out prospects ranked 19 to 30. Not to say Gray is worth only bottom prospects but look at their numbers.
He won’t pitch tomorrow, but it doesn’t mean he’ll be traded tomorrow. Could still be a last minute Monday deal
The main reason that is preventing the Sony Gray deal is that Billy is asking for a truckload of Top 100 prospects and many teams are reluctant to give up their farms …
Gray is at best a number 3 starter maybe a number 2. that’s why you see teams backing out with giving up their top prospects
agreed
I definitely think Gray is a #2 starter on any team. He’s not a #1 on any of the contenders. He should cost several very good prospects, but not a top prospect. If Beane doesn’t like the offers he can just keep Gray. It’s not like Gray is the only good starter available.
Agree with him being a #2 on a good team, but he will get a top prospect. He’s making 3.5M this year, and is controllable at a cheap rate for two more years. There are other options on the market (darvish, maybe lynn??), but none of them are controllable at a cheap rate for multiple years like Gray is.
He’ll definitely get a top prospect, or if he doesn’t he’ll command quite a few top 10 organizational prospects.
I def think he is a #2 with #1 upside, but on “any” team? I’m pretty sure he would be the #2 on the Nats and it’s questionable if he’d be the #2 on the dodgers or the Indians. Carrasco, Strasberg and Wood are all pretty good.
Sonny Gray to Cubs seems more likely each post I read teams not wanting to trade their precious prospects.
These posts don’t represent teams.
Just because he got scratched doesn’t mean a trade is imminent.
The A’s want the Brewers top prospect but they don’t want to trade him… I wonder why maybe it’s because Gray isn’t a number 1 starter. The A’s want way too much for gray
If they want Florial instead of Frazier, plus maybe Adams or Sheffield plus 1 or 2 other lesser prospects, let’s get’er done.
I’d rather give them Mateo, Acevedo, and whatever else from lower minors. Florial is someone that the Yankees have to keep as a mega jackpot lottery ticket. Dude has potential to be a 5 tool player at CF. Those are super rare, he gets his contact rate up and he would instantly jump to a top 10 prospect in all of baseball type talent. If Yankees are willing to trade him it better be nothing more than Mateo and Florial. But personally i think Florial is worth keeping even if he doesn’t work out just because of the sky high potential.
He’s 19 and won’t help us anytime soon. Trade him
The big if with Florial Is with his k’s he has 120 k’s just this season in low A if he was to cut that by half he’d be an elite prospect
Yanks are going to be tough to beat when they get back to full strength, with Hicks and Castro returning. If they land one of Gray, Lynn, or Darvish they might be the team to beat in the AL. I still think the Dodgers and Nats are the best teams if they stay healthy.
Don’t think Lynn puts them above the Astros or Red Sox. But Darvish or Gray I think makes them division favorites and really close to the Stros.
They’re already above the Sox!
Houston is better right now.
They need to get healthy first. Currently have their two best players on DL, Correa and Springer
the astros are far ahead and will get Healthy. They are deep with Talent till then. Those 2 being hurt happened at a good time, if anytime is considered good that is.
Of course. You’d rather this happen now then the end of September. Astros are a very good team. If Yankees get Gray they will be able to stand toe to toe with them. Who knows, anything is possible
Gray isn’t worth Brinson
They are playing for the playoffs. Gray is better than Brinson. Playoffs = Money, Not saying they are going to do it, and i like Brinson, but Gray helps them more .
All teams are in on Gray. Even the Phillies and crosstown Giants. The Cubs Astros Rangers and Avalanche have checked in. So have the Knicks and Cowboys.
Avalanche?
Matt Duchene, Gabriel Landeskog and Tyson Barrie for Sonny Gray, who says no?
The A’s throw in Phegley to back up Varlamov in net
Is there any reason to believe that Albies not playing tonight is a coincidence?
Who? Brinson? What the… Hall of fame already?
I think gray will end up on the Yanks, Dodgers or Brewers
He’s going to end up on the As n going nowhere bank it
Yankees get who they want. Bank that bud.
I agree with Stretch
Cliff Lee?
Not if they aren’t willing to trade the required prospects.
Florial, Adams or Sheffield, Littel and McKinney to the A’s for Gray and Alonso may be a good trade.
The Yankees don’t want Alonso they have Headley hitting .300+ since moving to 1b and bird should be back in mid september should he struggle later.
Yes but it’s crazy that they can’t get a #1 or #2 prospect for him like the White Sox got in Eloy Jimenez. Again A’s typically go for quantity over quality
Why is this trade Announcement taking so long. I’m sure he’s getting traded somewhere. I have no idea where he’s going my guess Yankees.
Yankees aren’t getting Darvish or Gray. Neither are the Brewers.
Fix the top paragraph
just make a deal already. I am sure the Yankees are just waiting for Beane to include Casilla in the deal to make it worth it…For Oakland haha.
Matt Adams, RA Dickey and Brandon Phillips to the Yankees, Estevan Florial, Max Fried and Derian Cruz to the Oakland A’s, Chase Headley and Sonny Gray to the Braves.
This trade Idea is top three wackiest ever…do you even know what the Yankees need. Counter Ellsbury for Adams and Braves eat all his salary..oh and throw in one of Ted Turners sports jackets.
Considering the fact that Beane usually prefers multiple lottery tickets, the Yankees could use this as an opportunity to alleviate their 40-man roster crunch come the end of the season.
No clear path to playing time or expectation that the following players can force the issue enough to stick in a lineup (ie. Clint Frazier, Judge in April):
Dustin Fowler
Tyler Wade
Miguel Andujar
Jorge Mateo
Nick Solak
If they are reluctant to deal Florial at this time, they could group some of the above players with Zach Littel (scratched from start) or others and provide Oakland with multiple pieces who are nearing MLB-readiness to play with the likes of Barretto, Healy, Chapman, Semien and Manaea.
Quantity over quality those are, basically nominal value. Thats a straight out fleecing. But possible sadly
I agree 100% that it could be a steal for NYY, but a package around Mateo and the floor of those ancillary pieces could convince Beane if the market isn’t developing as we expected this time last week
Dustin fowler has running service time and done for the year, im not sure if he passed super 2, if not he is filler not headliner
The Braves are gonna swope in and snatch up Gray.
Pache, Wentz, Sims & Demeritte. Maybe an overpay but I am ok with that.
Gray is a 27 year injured pitcher with a 5.69 ERA. In 2016. Within the next season or two, it’s reasonable to expect that Gray will again be on the disabled list. His days as a prospect was when he was 22 or 23 years old. He’s closer to 30 and closer to a disappointment
If the Yankees want to win now, they would trade for Lance Lynn. Lynn has a consistent low ERA, throws 95 to 97 mph and has playoff and World Series experience. Gray vs Lynn….Lynn gives you consistency with experience in the big games…..Gray gives you inconsistency with no playoff experience .
Doesn’t Gray have longer team control than Lynn or am I mistaken ?
The only time that Gray has been inconsistent has been when he was injured . He has been very good in the playoffs even though it was a small sample size and advanced stats say that Sonny is the superior pitcher by quite a bit.
Lynn will be a free agent after this season.
Gray pitched 2013 playoffs vs Det….. 13 innings pitched 2.08 era, 12k…
Would love the Rays to acquire him. W. Adames with 2 or 3 of their top 30-40 prospects (not counting Honeywell or Bauers) would allow the Rays to add another Ace for this year & at least next year. If Duffy is healthy along with their current SS who still has another year of club control the Rays will be ok at SS. D. Robertson, L. Fox & few others gives the Rays future SS depth. This would allow the Rays to have some more of the SP trade chips in the offseason trade market. The Rays also need to give A. Cobb a QO this offseason. Get a extra draft pick to boot.
Wow all this prospect hugging is hilarious the Yankees have the bullets to get Sonny Gray but don’t want to trade the prospects. The Yankees aren’t trading Frazier he is contributing on the big club and it seems they won’t trade Torres. They can build a package around Florial and Sheffield maybe even Fowler. The funny part of the comments on here come from the Yankee fans that are like BB should take Mateo plus for Gray because we are the Yankees and Marie would be the top prospect in two thirds of everyone else’s farm system it’s funny as hell.
Not to over analyze…Gray’s 2016 year – 5.69 era…. that spells consistency, nearly 6 runs per game over the course of a full season.
Brewers need to stand pat on no Brinson. Ray is a stud outfield prospect who is maybe a little farther away, but maybe Ray, Bickford and a lottery ticket get it done. Yes, the market sets the price as did The cubs for Jose, but I don’t believe the market is that rich anywhere for Gray.