The Rays have been one of baseball’s most active clubs on the trade market, acquiring Lucas Duda, Steve Cishek, Dan Jennings and Sergio Romo in the past week as they gear up for a run at the American League East. And, despite having picked up three bullpen arms, they’re still exploring the relief market, according to MLB Network’s Ken Rosenthal (Twitter link). Per Rosenthal, the Rays are still looking into Padres lefty Brad Hand, among others.
Even with Cishek, Jennings and Romo in the fold, the Rays have some room for upgrades, as can be seen on their depth chart over at Roster Resource. Rookie Adam Kolarek has been the second lefty in the ’pen behind the newly acquired Jennings, but he was optioned to Triple-A tonight after struggling through his first 10 appearances as a big leaguer (h/t: Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times, on Twitter). As such, the Rays’ interest in Hand — or a continuation of their previously reported interest in Tigers lefty Justin Wilson — would make plenty of sense.
From the right side, Romo himself is far from a sure thing after struggling badly with the Dodgers. He was picked up in exchange for a player to be named later or cash considerations after being designated for assignment, so the Rays don’t need to afford him a long leash if he performs poorly or if the opportunity to acquire a superior option presents itself. Kolarek’s option back to Triple-A will create room to add Cishek to the relief corps, but that will also leave Tampa Bay with just one lefty (Jennings) in the bullpen.
s2alliot
I accept Wander Franco for any deal involving Hand, sincerely, a padre fan
TheGreatTwigog
I know you can’t trade draft picks the year you sign them. Would that also apply to amateur international signings? Steve?
mattdsmith
Actually, you can trade draft picks now because of that whole Trea Turner deal being such a cluster cuss.
staxxxxxxxxx
They fixed that loophole because of Trea Turner.
padresfan
You can trade draft picks after the World Series
The question was international guys
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Yu can trade when after the conclusion of the World Series. But you can no longer include them as PTBNL’s in trades that were agreed upon before they were eligible to be traded.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
First four words are supposed to be “You can trade them”
padresfan
Franco and someone else or Adames lol
padresfan
Like a low tier guy
raysdaze
Not to beat a dead horse here, but there is not a chance in hell the Rays give up Adames for Hand…keep dreaming
padresfan
lol that’s what he asked for I can almost promise that
SixFlagsMagicPadres
It could be possible, especially since they still have some interesting pieces. If the Rays do decide to go after Hand, it’s definitely going to cost more than any of the other relievers they’ve acquired so far.
padresfan
Come on rays
I’m sure hand could be hand for your short stop prospect and lower level arm
padresfan
Hand could be had*
Michael Chaney
I assume you mean Adames…either way though, I’m sure the Padres would love to get a legit shortstop prospect back but they’ve been shooting for the moon when it comes to offers for Hand so it would probably take a fair bit more than him and a lower level arm
s2alliot
Hand is too steep of a price for Hand in my opinion. Maybe a package would do but who else would Rays be interested in besides Hand?
Padres2019ha
Hand
s2alliot
Adames is too steep of a price for Hand, I meant. My bad lol
MakeATLGreatAgain
Please take Ian Krol
He just needs a change of scenery.
yankees500
This is shaping up to be one of the most boring trade deadlines I’ve ever seen.
padresfan
Yankees come in give the padres what the wants, the As what they want, and the rangers what they want.
Steve Adams
I mean, we’re only four years removed from a deadline where Bud Norris to the Orioles was the biggest move of deadline day. There’s quite a bit going on at this year’s deadline, even if it’s not one of the absolute craziest we’ll see.
tharrie0820
Does quintana to the cubs not qualify as crazy?
staxxxxxxxxx
No, but five or ten similar deals would.
commonsense
I disagree. I think this will be a very active deadline.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
There’s still a few days left. You never know what might happen as things come down to the wire.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
If not for Adames+, then no deal.
raysdaze
Hahahhaha, no deal
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Cool. Let me know how Sergio Romo works out for ya.
skippkipp
So far so good, he’s got a wicked slider.
therealryan
No problem. You let me know how 90 loses are with Hand. Think, if he was only good enough to save the next 11 in a row you guys would be right there at a respectable .500 winning percentage. Good luck with that high cost reliever.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Check the padres roster, and ages. Most of these kids are in their rookie or 2nd years, and have gotten better every month so far. In fact, this month we’re 13-10. We’re building like the Astros did, have more guys who are killing it in the minors coming up next year, and Hand is definitely not expensive. We also have money to burn as soon as the contracts from Kemp, etc are off the books, and are willing to spend it. Like I said..have fun with Romo.
countregular 2
As a San Franciscan, live that Romo. Sad to see him leave SF for LA…but not THAT sad. Wicked slider for sure, but he WILL let you down.
raysdaze
To put things in perspective, average age of padres roster is 27, and Rays is 28
GoPadresMatt
Hand isn’t a high cost reliever. He has 2 1/2 years more arbitration control and is only paid 1.3M this season. The Padres don’t have to trade him this season. They can easily wait till next.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Correction. Padres roster average age is 26.6 (youngest in the majors), and that’s counting Weaver and Aybar, neither of whom are playing. The Rays is 28.5.
Ungerdog
you are delusional to think Hand will bring back Adames, let alone Adames+. I get so tired of these comment sections being chock full of homer ignorance…
Hand is not Chapman or Miller – if you think you’re getting Adames+ I guarantee you will be disappointed once he is traded, wherever he ends up.
Houston We Have A Solution
Padres send Hand and Yates
Rays send De Leon, Yarbough or Austin Franklin, Stanek, and Fox.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Adames or bust.
therealryan
Bust
RaysBaseball4
Bruh
adshadbolt
I’m not a rays fan but all the padres fans saying that is Adams’s or bust, or 5 of their top ten prospects are being outrageous, hand is not Chapman and he’s not Miller he is worth a top 40 to a top 100 prospect and two more players one being a solid prospect with big league starting potential or a young big leaguer and a high potential low ceiling player.
Think about trades for high end relievers excluding champman and Miller last year. Comps are Justin Wilson, to the tigers for two decent pitching prospects, Miller from bos to bal for Eduardo Rodriguez, Kimberl to bos 1 top prospect and two players with potential. The will smith to Giants which I feel is the best comp the brewers got bickford who was a top 60 prospect I believe And Susac.
Now I’ll consider the value of relievers is higher now.
From the Rays a package of Sanchez/ Bauer, fox, boldt, wei hu.
From the dodgers: Calhoun, Diaz, Sheffield.
From the nats: feede, kieboom, reetz and a lottery pick of their choosing.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
That’s cool then. We’ll keep him. You can say Padres fans are being delusional all you want, but AJ Preller is asking for tip top SS prospects, or we’ll keep him. Hate to burst your bubble, but it most likely IS Adames or bust. Don’t like it? Take it up with management.
raysdaze
We’re talking about Hand, not Chris Sale, right?
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Take it up with management. You don’t have to trade for him.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
By the way..Sale would take about 3 of your top 5 prospects to get. Hand would probably take Adames plus a “B” prospect. Pretty good value for a guy who can go multiple innings, strikes out about 12/9 innings, can close, is left handed, has 2.5 years of control left, and has one of the top 5 most dominant pitches in the majors, which opponents hit about .130 off of. By the way, rightys are hitting .205 against him this year, and leftys in the mid-.100s.
Padres2019ha
tell him son!
Ungerdog
that’s 35 innings of sample size…grow up and pay attention to past trades.
Ungerdog
I meant 53 innings (now54). hand has a 2.63 ERA & 2.91 FIP over his last 140 innings of work.
Before his trade to Cleveland, Miller had a 1.86 ERA & 1.82 FIP over his previous 169 innings.
Hand is not Miller and will not bring a Miller return – think Wil Smith (as stated earlier) – maybe a little more due to Preller’s stubbornness…but you will not get a top 20 prospect.
jeffball10
And if you keep him then he risks injury AND loses value by having less team control. Not to mention he also risks having a rough start to next year and watches his value plummet. We all know you need to move him.
raysdaze
THIS
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
False. #1..he’s inexpensive. #2..he won’t lose value because he’s now our closer, and closers have more value than setup guys, regardless of 2.5 years, or 1.5 years of control. #3..having watched almost every game he’s pitched in over the last 2 years, I can assure you that won’t get off to a rough start. I’ll be happy to place a bet on that if you’d like. #4..ownership, and management has said probably 10 times now that he has tons of value to us, and if we’re not offered equal value in return, he won’t be dealt. Keep in mind that so far they’ve asked for Torres for him, as well as Verduzco and Nix.
Adames +, or no deal.
countregular 2
I agree. No reason to move him. Next season SD will either have a top SS prospect or an excellent closer.
raysdaze
Did you see Marlins closer (Ramos) return? They got like #10 and #20 mets prospect…you’re over valuing him enormously
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Cool. Don’t trade for him then. By the way, Ramos isn’t anywhere near Hand as far as value is concerned, and I guarantee you that most GM’s would agree.
Houston We Have A Solution
You mean NYs 9th and like 20th best prospects for a closer that has walked nearly 5 bb/9 two straight years that has 1.5 years left on his contract and hasnt pitched well this year?
Yeah not sure why you brought up Ramos, whos pitching worse than Hand is, controlled less, and isnt capable of pitching multi innings.
jeffball10
You can assure that he wont get off to a bad start? You do realize every single season good players have off years. It is VERY possible. I mean I would take Ken Giles any day over Hand and he got off to a dreadful start last year. You also forgot to mention anything about what happens if he gets injured. Like I said everyone knows you want to move him. You wont get anywhere near Adames.
jeffball10
Then enjoy your excellent closer on a still losing team. You’r aiming far too high. Just watch what the return is.
Ungerdog
“hate to burst your bubble” but, you’re not management –
Ungerdog
also, Hand pitches for sd…not exactly a high leverage environment the past 2 years. he saved 6 games for a last place team – who knows how he’ll fare in the middle of a pennant race.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
You try to use that logic in trade negotiations and Preller will slam that phone down in a freaking nanosecond.
Ungerdog
I wasn’t in trade negotiations as I am merely a fan pointing out viewpoints in a comment section. unlike some, I know I am not a gm and I don’t presume to speak for any. however, I agree that my comment would not have been received favorably in a negotiation – I don’t think I would use the “your team sucks” angle in trying to acquire their best reliever….might not work out so well.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I wouldn’t take offense to it. The Padres ARE terrible this year. But that doesn’t have any effect on Brad Hand’s value.
Ungerdog
there is something to be said of the pressure pitching for a contender down the stretch vs just cruising in last place playing meaningless games – I’m not taking anything away from his ability, just pointing out that it is an unknown and one I’m sure has been considered.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
And I’m saying that if Hand were playing for a contender he would do the exact same thing he has been doing and if you think you can ding him for playing for a bad team you won’t get him.
Houston We Have A Solution
Whats the war rating on pitching in pressure situations? Oh, there isnt one.
Just a made up imaginary intangible that has 0 value regarding trade.
The only real intangible aspect of a player that is considered in a deal is club house presence and even then if talent outweighs character teams still trade for them.
Also, meaningless games? Whether 1st place or last place players get paid to perform. Hand has every reason to pitch well because him pitching better gets him more money in arbitration, which he has 2 more years of.
Hands performance isnt why the padres are last place.
Lol pressure pitching. Whats next wins and era are important too?
Ungerdog
so you two are saying there is no difference in the pressures of a setup role vs a closer role? your same “perform well no matter the situation” logic applies…by your argument there’s no difference between the 7th 8th or 9th inning – so why can some rp close and others can’t? same reason some pitchers perform well in the postseason and others can’t. I’m not saying it’s a major or even moderate factor – hand will probably perform pretty close to the same in a pennant race as not but it hasn’t been proven yet (say as Miller had before his Cleveland trade) so it is an unknown and very well could be a factor.
Ungerdog
ha! wtf do you think “closing” is? pressure pitching! ta-da.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Hand can close out games. He has demonstrated that this year. And it’s completely laughable that you would even think to bring up that he hasn’t pitched for any good teams like it has any bearing whatsoever on his trade value.
Ungerdog
it’s not as simple a”pitching for good teams”. it’s about pitching in a high leverage environment which does have an effect on a player’s value. with regard to hand, it’s minimal at best considering his ability. like I’ve said previously, it’s an unknown and should be considered. I’m done with this dialog because it’s obvious you’re just hearing what you want and placing your own bias on the situation. keep thinking there’s no difference between pitching during a playoff race and pitching for a rebuilding team. hand most likely would not have a problem pitching for a contender (which I’ve stated) but to completely reject it as a variable is ignorant.
petersdylan36
Hand hasn’t allowed a run since June 10th and has easily moved into the closer position since Mauer left. He is a very good player who is controlled for two more years after this one. He will be worth a lot
cwh1983
Rays and Yankees looking through every avenue to add pieces on…. Dombrowski meanwhile is digging in his belly button to find lint
petersdylan36
Fun facts. Brad Hand has earned the save for the last three straight games. Also, he hasn’t allowed a run since June 10th. He is a huge trade chip!
skippkipp
Wasn’t he behind Maurer in the pecking order?
countregular 2
Most SD fans know Maurer was always a powder keg, and Hand was the better reliever.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Maurer started last year as the closer because Hand was an unknown at the time. Once Hand figured out his slider, he became automatic and would’ve been there sooner if Maurer wasn’t doing reasonably well in the role (his era was mainly based on about 4 appearances).
jeffball10
I understand Padre fans wanting the absolute best return that they can muster, but right now it appears to be a buyers market. Expecting Adames is crazy and would take a desperate front office. Preller has managed a few pretty solid returns in his run, so I get why your aiming high, but he isn’t pulling that from the Rays lol.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Jeff-Most Padre fans understand that we don’t have to trade Hand. We also hear what ownership and our General Manager are saying in the local media about wanting to keep him unless we’re blown away by an offer, as well as knowing what they’ve asked for him from other GMs.
jeffball10
What are they supposed to say to the local media? “Hey we are willing to accept whatever we can get” No.. Of course they will say that they need to be blown away. Unless some absolutly desperate team comes along you will be underwhelmed with the return.
RMenzel
I can see the padres trading for Jose Iglesies from the Tigers for 2 prospects!!
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Nah. He’s a FA after next year. Preller’s looking for the SS of the next 5-6 years, which is why he’s aiming for tip top AA, and AAA guys.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Or we could just wait for 17 months then sign him away from the Tigers and give them nothing.
Martin H.
Padres: Bauers/ Sanchez + Lucious Fox + Jaime Schultz
Rays: Brad Hand
——
Who would hang up the phone lol, comment section? (Me being Padres’ GM)
skippkipp
Fox and Schultz for Hand. Let’s not get crazy.
raysdaze
This is much more reasonable than Adames + (bahahahahhaha) but IMO still seems like an overpay. Shultz could easily be Rays closer for the next half decade or so. Swap him with Stanek, wood, or Harris, etc then maybe. At this point would rather Preller getting left in the cold – then hand comes back to earth for the rest of the year and you can’t flip him for bozo the clown
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
If you believed that was going to happen, you wouldn’t be making up trade scenarios to get him.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
*slams down phone*
therealryan
This is the more realistic value that has. A 55 FV, a 50 FV and a 45 FV prospect. As a Rays fan though, i still wouldn’t want to give this up, but could live with it if the FO does.
RAM813
Beckham for Hand straight up! Do us a solid and help us move him! Haha
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Right. I’m not delusional like some people on here and know Hand isn’t worth Adames. That all being said there’s no reason he can’t pull a prospect somewhere in the top 50 if Will Smith did last year and the trade proposals I’m hearing from Rays fans on here aren’t any less ridiculous.
Ungerdog
I completely agree with a top 50.