The Phillies have strong interest in Marlins outfielder Christian Yelich and would be glad to take some of Miami’s underperforming contracts to facilitate his addition, according to a report from veteran journalist Ken Rosenthal. (With FOXsports.com evidently morphing into a vlog, Rosenthal is writing from his Facebook page during what is sure to be a short-lived foray into free agency.)
From the Phils’ perspective, that would preferably mean taking on some lower-priced contracts that are clogging the Marlins’ books in the near-term. While the Phillies have at least weighed internally the idea of taking on Giancarlo Stanton’s massive contract as part of some swap, Rosenthal makes clear that the team has not expressed interest in doing so and that discussion of that concept never “got started.”
Other organizations, though, have reached out to Miami regarding Stanton. And as Rosenthal suggests, it seems reasonable to expect that there’d be a taker for him at some price point, though the prospect of taking all of his contract remains daunting. That explains all the chatter about possibly packaging Stanton with another player, though Rosenthal says he doesn’t expect that to occur.
While the creative possibilities are endless, it seems the Marlins will be taking a cautious approach at the deadline with regard to its most notable players. Despite an inclination in the baseball operations department to embark upon a rebuild, says Rosenthal, the organization is not willing to deal core players while still orchestrating the sale of the team itself.
That stance also seemingly means that Yelich is off-limits for the Phillies at the moment. There’s little rush to add to the MLB roster in Philadelphia, of course, but the interest (along with the possible trade concepts discussed above) strongly suggests that the team is looking into ways to install pieces for 2018 and beyond. That could conceivably result in any number of interesting scenarios this summer and over the winter to come.
partyatnapolis
he would be a good pickup for a contending team.. not the crappy phils
Caseys Partner
Spot on, but you’re not looking at this from John Middleton’s perspective of blocking Bryce Harper.
Goldmine44
If we do this I’ll go ape. Phillies will have someone of talent then
YankeeMan3099
I am sure Yelich isn’t happy about this he goes from one non contending team to another some guys just have bad luck
Caseys Partner
Shouldn’t sign sweet deals that put you in play.
ElGayoLoco
Phillies have plenty of chances to be contenders in the next 1 or 2 seasons, all they need is some good pitching, rotation and bullpen, they’ll be fine, look at their farm system its stacked, Just remember where the atros were 3 or 4 years ago before you go making stupid comments
Caseys Partner
“all they need is some good pitching, rotation and bullpen,”
I hope you’re a fan of Mickey Mouse and not the Phillies.
The fat green puppets team can’t hit its way out of a paper sack using a bat with foot long nails driven through the barrel.
Unwatchable.
ElGayoLoco
Not really a phillies fan but Iv do see hope there, they were under horrible management a few years ago with Amaro Jr and he tore the team apart with unrealistic deals, contracts and trades, they did really well for themselves with the Cole Hamels deal which TO ME seems like theres a light at the end of the tunnel, give it time and remember I told you so
Zach725
All the Phillies need is a rotation, bullpen, lineup, and an offense.
ElGayoLoco
Im sure thats what theyre looking to do with these deals, did you not read the article? If they make a smart move for Yelich, it would be great, phillies have some young guys they can move, Kingery 2B prospect is being blocked by Hernandez so they could potentially move either one of those guys, maybe a few more players can be moved too, they have a strong farm, Catcher Alfaro is going to be great, Rhys Hoskins, Jp crawford , idk how else to explain this to you but stop focusing on this season because im sure even they gave up on it a long time ago
austinrich116
It’s a stretch to say the farm system is “stacked”
seanwh01
Not really, they have a very strong core of minor leaguers.
ElGayoLoco
Its stacked man, maybe not all top prospects but all good productive players, Aaron Nola seems to be coming into his own his last few starts were great, all +7 Strike out games and around 7 or 8 innings and I think hes only allowed 3 or 4 runs in his last 3 starts, nick williams looks good, Makail is Makail but he’ll be fine, Galvis is hot right now, I will admit not everyone is killing it (obviously look at their record) but if you pay attention to this team it seems like theyre about to start something up
Keeva Segal
Rosenthal has been chirping about this for 3 years. And he has been wrong for 3 years. I am not saying it will not happen, but maybe Rosenthal should stop trying so hard to trigger the fire sale he predicted and get over himself.
RunDMC
You don’t have to be Nostradamus to foresee the Marlins having a fire sale.
seillihp
Exactly, They can’t afford what they have and the sale is going to force the issue. Teams like the Phillies, with loads of free cash, have an advantage by being able to take on big (and probably bad) contracts.
A move that would net Yelich and Stanton, as originally reported, would make the Phillies instantly relevant again. Particularly since they’d still have plenty of cash to spend.
Troutmagnet
Blue Jays would take him. Although there’s nothing they can really offer in return.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
What do the Phillies have to offer the Marlins other than Money?
Maybe the Billionaire Phillie owner could pay off the taxpayers for Marlins Park
That would be an interesting trade.
koldjerky
Umm prospects which is what every other team would offer.
RunDMC
Forgive him, he’s an O’s fan, he knows not of what you speak of.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
I do to know, but no one ever acknowledges it sadly.
RunDMC
LOL – sorry, I had to. I just want them to (finally) sign a pitcher to a rich deal…and it’s Arrieta, then it goes down from there.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
But, but, but, MacPhail never bought into the ‘instant’ team philosophy
Plus, since Klentak is a close protege, I doubt he does either.
And, I don’t think any of those players are worth it.
The Phillie rotation is awful and the bullpen even worse and they want to trade for outfielders? Makes no sense.
Caseys Partner
Bryce Harper must be blocked. This is now engraved on stone tablets hung throughout every building in the Phillies organization on John Middleton’s orders.
seillihp
If the Phillies become relevant now, they have a better shot at signing free agents. They can start by upgrading the pitching this offseason. Then finish off with position players after 2018. If they traded for Yelich, or even bigger — Yelich and Stanton, then upgraded the rotation and bullpen off of that this offseason, it would be quite a different team heading into 2018. The key is what they’d have to give up.
Caseys Partner
“If the Phillies become relevant now, they have a better shot at signing free agents.”
No they don’t.
Free agents sign for the most money. You drop another $50 million on them over the next best offer and you get them.
Zack Greinke has talked openly about it. He was very upfront. He signed in Arizona for the money. Dodgers were way better for winning.
Alex Rodriguez signed with the Texas Rangers who were a horrible team with no pitching on the MLB roster or in their farm system. 10 years and $252 million is what A-Rod wanted.
Bryce Harper has been upfront about what he wants……MONEY.
Interviewer: “You could be the first $400 million player”
Bryce Harper: “Don’t sell me short.”
Every player who hires Scott Boras does so because they want a huge pay day.
jekporkins
Wouldn’t you rather have Harper in right than Stanton? I’d wait and pony up the cash for him than take on that beast contract for Stanton.
seillihp
Not always in recent years. Say the Phillies and Red Sox or Yankees were a million or two apart per year for a player like Harper or Machado. If they see a crappy rotation here and nothing in the lineup other than them once they’re signed, they may sign somewhere else. If they do go for the overpay, then it’s just a question of who you overpay when and by how much. Most players want a shot at winning. The state of the Phillies now is so bad that there’s no sign at all of winning on the horizon. If they traded for Yelich and Stanton, that’s a big jump and one done now rather than waiting for their own prospects … which may take a few years longer the way things have been going.
Caseys Partner
Of course any sane person would rather have Harper.
John Middleton hates Scott Boras. John Middleton and Bill Giles especially, hate both Boras and free agency.
Ten year contracts?
Cole Hamels little six year deal for $146 million is the longest and most expensive contract in the history of the Phillies franchise and most of that contract was shipped out before it was due.
True story: The Phillies are the third wealthiest franchise in MLB and their owners have around ten billion in cash assets.
Caseys Partner
“The state of the Phillies now is so bad that there’s no sign at all of winning on the horizon.”
Inviting Harper and Machado into the same room and telling them you are ready to pay both of them immediately changes that horizon.
The Phillies farm is pitching heavy with multiple Top 100 prospects when the lists are redone.
Sixto Sanchez is getting Pedro comps.
seillihp
Both contracts will be bad. And the Phillies are unlikely to deal with Boras to sign Stanton. They’ve never worked wtith Boras on a meaningful contract since J.D. Drew in 1997. It’s also a question of becoming relevant sooner rather than later (in my opinion).
JHChase
I hate to be a jerk, but how can an Orioles fan talk about how bad the Phillies rotation is? Since June 1, Phillies starters have 3.84 ERA. I think the O’s would all but kill for that. It’d certainly have them much closer to playoff position.
Look the Phillies are several different kinds of horrible this year, but in terms of starting pitching, they could be ok going forward with Aaron Nola, Nick Pivetta and maybe Jerad Eickhoff and Ben Lively.
Dark_Knight
The Phillies do have quite a few top 100 prospects and a deep farm. Could easily see them flipping Moniak in a deal given Haseley’s presence.
JHChase
Yes, I think Moniak would have be part of the package going to Miami, but to get Yelich back, I’d be ok with that.
ilikebaseball 2
Gotta love Dale Murphy 2.0 wish the Cubs would try and get him.
elgmac
Keep dreaming Phillies boys
Caseys Partner
That’s not a dream, it’s a nightmare come true for Phillies fans.
Six years of torture followed by a demolition of the rebuild turning it into a small window.
Dark_Knight
They haven’t been rebuilding for 6 years, they were just terrible from ’12-’14. The rebuild didn’t start in earnest until Jimmy Rollins was traded.
Caseys Partner
Phillies rebuild began in October of 2011. On July 31, 2012 the Phillies unloaded Hunter Pence and Shane Victorino for nothing.
That winter Victorino – who really helped the Red Sox win another World Series – and Hunter Pence – who really helped the Giants win two World Series – were “replaced” by Ben Revere and Delmon Young.
The facts speak loudly and prove John Middleton’s lies.
Phillies2017
Take a gander at MLB.com’s transaction page under Phillies from 2012-2014
4 year monster deal for Papelbon
$144 million extension for Hamels
$16 million contract for AJ Burnett with a player option
Huge contract for an old Carlos Ruiz
If you read the Astros Database Leak- Ruben Amaro considered giving up Aaron Altherr for Bud Norris
The Victorino trade made sense- he wasn’t under contract beyond 2012 and the Phillies figured they might as well get something when Dom Brown was waiting in the wings (still considered a top prospect at the time)
The Pence deal never made sense which is when Philadelphia realized Ruben Amaro was out of his mind.
He traded a young controllable Pence for pennies on the dollar despite continued efforts to compete over the next 2 seasons.
Dark_Knight
Alright Free_AEC, I’m not going to get into this with you. You’re just trolling at this point.
Codybellingersgrandma
Please don’t trade Cody bellinger for this guy Dodgers! It’s not worth it
GareBear
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koldjerky
Yelich has 5.5 years left of control and is a solid enough/young enough player to build around. I definitely wouldn’t mind the Phillies going after him. Just wonder what it’d cost?
Caseys Partner
” Just wonder what it’d cost?”
Bryce Harper plus prospects from the farm that create a short window opening for winning after a half dozen years of torture.
johnmillerjones
Does anyone know how to block a single poster? This guy is completely one-note
Mjm117
Has to start with Sixto and/or Moniak depending on how much money Phils take back. Prefer the fish keep Yelich. No need to trade.
hk27
Maybe Mike Trout when his contract with the Angels is up? He is from the area and, I believe, grew up a Phillies fan….
Phillies2017
It makes sense
An idea I was thinking of:
Yelich, Tazawa and Ziegler in exchange for J.P. Crawford and say Roman Quinn
I love Crawford- but I believe that his name carries more value in trade talks than it ever will for the Phillies. Especially when we could simply move Cornelius Randolph (drafted as a SS) back to Shortstop. Crawford started great and tapered as he advanced. Randolph has just been solid overall.
Quinn is just a guy we don’t have room for but he still carries value. I think that deal would get done, assuming Philly ate all of those contracts
Figure
Alfaro (C), Hoskins (1B), Kingery (2B), Randolph (SS), Franco (3B), Yelich (LF), Odubel (CF), Williams (RF)
And if Franco doesn’t improve move Kingery to third, Odubel to second (where he played throughout his minor league career) and Moniak or Hasely in center (when ready)
I didn’t forget about Altherr or Cozens, I see them as trade chips as of now in the hopes of possibly buying a pitcher.
prich
Sadly Crawford has no value because of failure to produce in AAA. Roman Quinn is injury prone and therefore, he has no real value either. Scooping up all of the contract and Yelich would probably cost a guy like Carlos Tocci and 2 of Ben Lively, Zack Eflin, Jojo Romero, Nick Fanti, Ranger Suarez, Eshelman. The Phils would probably need to add in maybe another decent prospect, like maybe Darrick Hall as well to complete the deal. Phils would be looking good with Yelich.
1B-Hoskins
2B-Kingery
3B-Walding or Cesar
SS- Freddy Galvis (he is team leader and best fielding shortstop in MLB).
LF-Cozens/Williams/Pullin
CF- Yelich/Haesely/Moniak
RF-Free Agent Harper?
C-Jorge Alfaro and Knapp
paulnewman
Seems light on Phillies side.
Caseys Partner
Would probably be Sixto Sanchez and Franklyn Kilome. Marlins/Loria love big arms.
Plus Mickey Moniak.
Dark_Knight
The Phillies aren’t going to trade their two best pitching prospects and best position player prospect in the division. It looks like from reading the article they want to absorb the Marlins contracts to lower the acquisition cost
Caseys Partner
Marlins don’t make deals like this without getting serious Top 100 prospects in return or someone like Aaron Nola, though Nola really lacks the big arm the Marlins love.
koldjerky
3 top 100 prospects and 3 of the top 5 system prospects for Christian Yelich? Yeah, no way. That’s the basis of a Trout deal not a Yelich deal.
I could see maybe one of those.
I’d prefer a Crawford, Quinn, Anderson maybe type deal.
Caseys Partner
I prefer no deal for Yelich.
The Phillies are rebuilding, are loaded with outfield prospects and have one solid outfielder now in Altherr.
In fact, the Phillies would be better focused on dealing Altherr this winter for prospects than trading prospects for Yelich.
The idea of taking on bad contracts is even worse.
Why would the Phillies ___want___ to take on bad contracts? Because no payroll leaves lots of room for Bryce Harper, Manny Machado and Mike Trout?
Yeah, with no payroll those three fit easily onto the Phillies future roster.
Easily.
Caseys Partner
Phillies2017 said:
You don’t want to know. Don’t read that.
Johhos
That’s not gonna get it done. Think maybe add Lively and a AA pitcher ,maybe a reliever ….
Zach725
LOL, I’m a braves fan, but if you think that lands yelich, then I can’t help you.
brett5
Randolph too fat to play short and Kingsley too small for 3rd base
jonk
Hard to believe these stupid contracts. Owners keep raising the bar.
prich
One can only wonder where they stop.
Caseys Partner
JOHN MIDDLETON to Andy MacPhail:
“Do whatever you have to do to block Bryce Harper or you’re fired.”
Brixton
Yelich is still really good, and hes cheap + controlled. And theres this magical thing.. its called RF, where Bryce Harper plays. I know its hard to understand… but RF is completely different from LF… where Yelich would play.
I know you don’t like to coexist because your always right… but Harper and Yelich can do that… they can coexist, on the same team.. weird right?
Caseys Partner
Mickey Moniak
Cornelius Randolph (immediately moved from SS to LF)
Adam Haseley
How many top-of-the-first-round picks do the Phillies have to use on outfielders while starring at that busted SS prospect in AAA with nothing behind him before you see the writing on the wall?
Unloading for Francisco Lindor would make sense. Trying to trade for Brendan Rodgers would make sense. Offering Nola and Hector Neris at the deadline last year for Gleyber Torres would have made sense. Trading Cole Hamels to the Cubs for Javier Biaz (publicly offered to Phillies by Theo for Hamels pre-trade) and Gleyber Torres would have made sense.
Pursuing Yelich screams of blocking Harper.
El Duderino
Even though you say it 20 times, it doesn’t make it more true. How about using some self-control and only post a comment once?
Dark_Knight
They’re not signing Bryce Harper regardless of who they have playing where. Why would he want to play for Philly if they don’t show some sort of progress in their rebuild? He’s not going to be hurting for contenders with deep pockets.
Caseys Partner
Harper will sign for the extra $50 million the Phillies pay him.
That’s how you sign free agents like Harper. They hit the market for a record payday. The Nationals are already a contender with prospects in their system.
It’s all about the money. Harper has said so himself.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Andy McFail is horrible. Not jim Hendry bad but he’s bad.
CardsNation5
I knew from the beginning that the Marlins would regret giving Stanton that contract.
jorleeduf
I’m just scared of who they might have to give up. But imagine in 2019. Yelich, Harper, and Machado!
Brixton
I’d give them any three prospects not named Moniak or Sixto Sanchez, steep price, but its Christian Yelich for 4.5 years, its not cheap.
JP Crawford, Franklyn Kilome and Dylan Cozens?
formerlyz
As a Marlins fan, everyone not named Yelich, Realmuto, or Stanton should be moved. For them to move Yelich or Realmuto, it would have to be something crazy coming back
seillihp
With Yelich’s good contract and age you do wonder why they’d move him. They may have no choice with Stanton. Most are saying that they can’t keep their current payroll with the sale. So that may be the key — that they need to move Yelich in order to unload some bigger contracts with him.
Caseys Partner
The Marlins farm is thought by many to be the most empty in MLB. Moving contracts isn’t an answer to that at all.
formerlyz
But stanton only has 3 years and 77 million left on his deal….if he stays healthy, he’ll be a monster again this year. The Marlins need to move pieces b/c the farm system is trash, and they have no starting pitching, and no way to get it, and Ozuna is a FA after next season. The other stuff is all bs. They can keep the 3 guys I mentioned for now, and try to retool around them over the next year or 2.
El Duderino
The current year is 2017. Stanton is signed through 2027. Soooo, there’s that.
formerlyz
He has an opt out, which he will 100% opt out of if he is healthy. The 6 year/107 million deal he is currently in the middle of is a bargain
seillihp
Three years if he opts out after 2020. The contract is guaranteed through 2027. Then a team option buyout (minimum $10 million) in 2028. Stanton will be 31 after 2020 with 7 more guaranteed years in front of him versus the opt out. The dollars go from $14.5m this year to $25m next year. In later years the dollars peak at $32m before coming back down to the $25m range. Stanton may take the easy guaranteed money. Which is why not all teams are going to be able to be in on that contract.
formerlyz
Whatever man. I’m sock of having the same discussion/argument. If he is healthy, it’s not that bad of a deal, even if he opts in. It’s not like he is a bat only guy, and you will see in the next couple of years when other players get way more, that he can easily beat 7/$218 million on the open market when the opt out comes up. The only reason the deal would be bad if he opts in is b/c it’s the Marlins, but for a face of the franchise, it’s not a terrible deal, and the point becomes moot if there are new owners. His injuries have been freak accidents, so hopefully he stays healthy. That’s what dictates the contract results
The point is that deal isn’t the reason this team can’t do anything. The money on Chen, Tazawa, Dee, Prado, Volquez, and the arbitration eligible players are the issue, as well as the obviously terrible farm system from abhorrent moves over the last several years. The Marlins can hit. They just have no starting pitching or any way to get starting pitching. So obviously, it’s time to retool b/c if they don’t do that now, it’s going to get really bad for a long time when they let Ozuna walk for nothing and other guys get older, with no help from the farm system.
Dark_Knight
Definitely a smart move. The team has so much OF depth in the minors that they need to start consolidating these pieces into real assets. I’d be willing to trade anyone other than Kingery or Sanchez in this hypothetical deal.
I could definitely see the Phillies be willing to swap Franco and Prado in the deal as well, maybe absorbing Chen’s contract too.
Caseys Partner
“swap Franco and Prado in the deal as well”
It starts out like a nightmare created by John Middleton and then the Phillies Phans start chiming in turning it into a post nuclear apocalypse with any surviving women covered head to toe in hemorrhaging radiation burns.
Dark_Knight
Well if they trade Franco instead of a highly regarded prospect, they’d need a 3rd baseman…
Dark_Knight
… a third baseman who would be a fine placeholder for Machado.
TJECK109
You would think after Ryan Howard that the Phils would be hesitant to take on a contract like Stanton.
If Stanton is involved I see him being flipped to a 3rd team like the Yanks or Sox.
mnasser34
i say if yelich gets traded, a good spot would be arizona
I Believe We Can Win
As crazy as this sounds-
Trade Bour to the Yankees for prospects
In the Yelich deal ship off Chen’s contract for Tommy Jospeh, Adonis Medina, Sixto Sanchez, and Franklyn Kilome.
The marlins pick up an instant replacement at 1st whos younger and more team control than bour, get prospects for bour, unload chens contract, and cause the phillies are taking chens contract they give up some good arms in sanchez kilome and medina who are couple years away while keeping the more mlb ready arms.
rsmlbtr
I can easily see Bour to the yankees and then a joseph for yelich happening, but sanchez is just about untouchable kilome not far behind him and you expect the phillies to give them up in a salary dump?
jorleeduf
Please don’t do this
Joeycalexc
Sanchez should be untouchable
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
The only way Stanton will ever win is to get traded or opt out.
cozens2017roy
None of this Phillies Marlins stuff makes sense … I don’t buy it. Let’s start tearing down the rebuild for an overrated Yelich who has a lower careeer ops than Tommy Joseph? Not to mention OF is the one place where the organization seems to be strong.