The Braves aren’t likely to trade righty Julio Teheran at the deadline, tweets Jon Heyman of FanRag. A report earlier this month suggested the Braves were open to dealing Teheran, but there haven’t been many specific details about potential Teheran deals since. Teheran is in the midst of an underwhelming season (5.09 ERA, 6.8 K/9, 3.5 BB/9 over 120 1/3 innings), is only 26, and is controllable at reasonable prices through 2020, so it wouldn’t be at all surprising if the Braves opted to keep him for now. Here are more quick notes from the NL.
- The Cubs remain interested in Marlins catcher A.J. Ellis, writes Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times. A report earlier this week from MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro connected the Cubs to Ellis, who would provide Chicago with a veteran backup to Willson Contreras. (Frisaro tweets that two other teams are interested in Ellis as well and that the Cubs might not ultimately land him.) The Cubs also continue to look for a reliever. “That’s what you would be looking for — that high-leverage, later-inning guy that you’re really comfortable with — so you can spread the work out a little bit more evenly,” says Cubs manager Joe Maddon, who adds that his guess is that the team will make another move of some sort before the deadline.
- Top Giants pitching prospect Tyler Beede will likely miss the rest of the season with a groin strain, as Alex Pavlovic of CSNBayArea.com notes. Beede is expected to miss four weeks, taking him to around the end of the minor-league season. The injury could wind up costing him a chance at a big-league call-up once rosters expand in September as well. He could, however, pitch in the Arizona Fall League. After a strong season with Double-A Richmond in 2016, the former first-round pick struggled in Triple-A Sacramento in 2017, posting a 4.79 ERA, 6.9 K/9 and 3.2 BB/9 over 109 innings.
- The Nationals need catching help, FanGraphs’ Travis Sawchik writes. Matt Wieters has not hit or framed pitches well, batting .248/.297/.381 over 310 plate appearances while rating -10.8 runs in framing, via Statcorner. Sawchik suggests Atlanta’s Tyler Flowers (a much better receiver) and Detroit’s Alex Avila as good targets for the Nats to pursue.
Or they aren’t trading Teheran because no one wants him.
Teams would take Teheran because of his contract, but the Braves would get a very underwhelming return. So it really makes no sense to try and deal him.
I agree, nobody in there right mind would give up good prospects back for him the way his pitching very inconsistent
After last night I don’t know how ATL could think they would get a decent pre-TD offer for him. Wait until next season hoping he can make some adjustments but they really waited too long on this one.
A change of scenery would do him well. Maybe work with a new pitching coach and staff around him, plus a slice of humble pie from being dealt would give him a jolt he needs at the crossroads of his career.
The braves would love to get Carinti back so if the Cubs throw Lackey who is just as good and a 2a starter for for Teheran who got a couple years left so it’s a good deal..
Exactly Run. They should have traded him this past off season.
Lmao I remember when people were Saying Tehran was better then Quintana
Those people were wrong!
I’ve never heard that before. I think people were saying that they would rather keep Teheran, than trading the farm for Quintana.
Last year around the trade deadline. It was certainly said by more than 1 person on this site. There were also ridiculous proposed trades that had the braves getting insane packages back for him.
Every team has their nut cases
Those were the Braves fans!
I’d love to see the Pirates get Teheran. Especially if they trade Gerrit Cole in the offseason. In fact, Cole for Teheran and one of the Braves pitching prospects sounds fine by me.
His stuff is filthy and Ray Searage has made more out of less.
Horrific deal for us. Though you continue to suggest it, Coppy still laughs and laugh and laughs at the offer
Exactly
Look at Teherán’s home/road splits and tell me nobody wants him. He’s still a very good pitcher outside of SunTrust, but his awful stats at home have inflated his ERA
3.57 road ERA, and 7.05 at home.
That’s still not good. Maybe try on nights only or every other Wednesday. How about during bobblehead giveaway games?
Or dollar dogs nights. I know Jason Kipnis always had great games on those, so just maybe…..
and no way in hell will The Braves trade with the Nationals.
Same as MLB moving Trade Deadline to midnight on 31st because late night Trades are fun and more Deals would get done then even Trading all year round would be good.
If the Nats give the Braves what they want then could do a deal because we had last night Mets/Marlins and Nats/Phillies Trades.
It’s a Smokescreen the Braves will Trade him if get what they want in a Trade meaning future Catcher,Bullpener’s,OF and Yankees have 2 Florial or Fowler OF,Catcher at Trile-A and don’t want to give Torres or Frazier for Gray or even Darvish. Maybe Hamels would cost lesser.
Your grammaring is even lesser than mine.
I don’t think the Braves will trade Flowers but definitely Suzuki
no way they trade Flowers, especially to the Nats
Why not? He’ll be gone by the time the braves are ready to contend, and they’d get prospects from the nationals, weakening their depth for the future. Sounds win/win to me
Haven’t you heard, Braves are going to trade their not close to ML ready prospects for an Ace and then their close prospects are going to fight for ROY next year.
Hey, we can dream
Agree with Suzuki being traded. Honestly maybe we can bait Suzuki, Jim Johnson and Rio Ruiz for Jeimer Candelario and Victor Caratini. Candelario seems better than Ruiz and has earned a shot that he won’t get with Bryant at third. Would free us up to trade Adams if we find a taker as well.
Cubs wouldn’t do that
The Cubs would never do that trade. Candelario is being talked about as a key piece for way bigger pieces in return.
How about Vizcaino for Tommy LaStella?
nice!
Tell me more about how Teheran is and ace and requires 4 top prospects
If you listen to Braves broadcast’s they’d like you to think he is an Ace.
Teheran for Fowler (I know he’s hurt), Acevedo and Heller.
Go home 84braves you’re drunk
Why would Braves need Fowler???
Yankees Prospect? (Young OF wanted, because Kemp and Markakis are on their last legs)
Dustin Fowler, OF, Grade B-: Age 21, 18th round pick in 2013, hit .281/.311/.458 with 30 doubles, 15 triples, 12 homers, 25 steals, 22 walks, 86 strikeouts in 541 at-bats in Double-A; rather under-the-radar nationally in a deep system but has intriguing tools including 60-grade speed and 50/55 power, 55 throwing arm; can handle center field; main concern is an aggressive hitting approach that may hamper his OBP, but he’s still young enough to improve that. ETA 2018.
Not even beginning to say that 84Braves is even close to correct. No way they get THAT kind of return for Teheran right now. Not a chance.
Yeah I remember on here and on twitter that I was told Teheran is just as good as Jose Quintana and would require more in return prospect wise.
People aren’t smart.
I’ve argued with other Braves fans for a while that Julio isn’t a top pitcher. He’s a bit of a headcase. He’ll be cruising along and make one mistake (a solo shot for example) and he’ll completely fall apart.
Teheran is not a top of rotation pitcher but he’s not as bad as he’s been this year either. I hope he’s not traded and goes into next year as our number 3 guy.
Definitely a head case in terms that he let’s his emotions get the best of him. If I recall correctly Teheran had a significant disagreement with Gattis once during a game too.
Julio and Q aren’t too far off in career numbers. The big difference is the homers. Julio has been garbage at home this year.
And that Quintana pitched in AL and not in NL
Career ERA-/FIP-
Julio: 92/107
Q: 85/84
That’s a pretty big difference.
I love that everyone here is completely ignorant to the fact that Teheran is a flyball pitcher in a new hitters park. He’s not an ace, but has the potential to be a solid number 2 if he’s traded to a team with a better defense in a pitchers park.
He too often pitches like Number 2 if you know what I mean…..
Sometimes, dedicated fans are blind to facts. It doesn’t make them “less smart” necessarily……just “loyally delusional”…………….LOL
I do believe that Teheran might benefit from a new team/pitching coach. Players often get in a rut, or fall out of favor, and perform poorly until traded. Look at Matt Adams. Most Cardinal Fans loved him, and couldn’t wait until he arrived. Management didn’t feel the same, and squelched his performance (yes, my opinion). They traded him to the Braves (who desperately needed him)……and he becomes the player that the Cards had always hoped he would be.
New team often means rejuvenated player.
Adams is still the same player. Sure, he was in better condition from the offseason and maybe that plus the scenery change to one of the MLB’s best fields for offense can explain the uptick. He’s leveling back out and though his defense might not be as bad as they thought, he’s still a platoon player at worst and a DH at best. Not worth displacing anyone with any kind of depth. I appreciate the move by Freeman, but stop the charade that is trying to boost Adams trade value and let’s build for the future.
What about Barnhart
Teheran has been a stud everywhere except for his home stadium. Perfect change of scenery guy with lots of heap control left
He’s been better away than at home, but certainly not a stud, as you put it.
If you think Teheran will struggle in the future like he has this year, I don’t know what to tell you.
what does this comment have to do with the comment you replied to?
Translation: “I don’t have a substantive response so I’ll just imply disagreement.” Waste of electrons.
It sucked to lose Travis Sawchik as a Pirates beat writer, he and Rob Biertempfel (I know that spelling is wrong, but…oh well) were as good a tandem as I’ve seen for any team in any sport.
But, Sawchik’s work at FG has been terrific. And still a bit Pirate centric. A refreshing voice from the typical local moron media.
Teheran is good. These are his stats since he’s been in the majors.
14 8 3.20 30 30
14 13 2.89 33 33 4 2
11 8 4.04 33 33
7 10 3.21. 30 30 1 1
That’s 5 complete games & 3 shut outs. He’s only 26. Go check Sonny Gray’s stats, pretty similar minus the fact Gray can’t stay on the field. And look at what they’re talking about giving up for Gray.
Over the past 3 years, Teheran and Jake Odorizzi have been just about the exact same pitcher, ERA, FIP and xFIP all within .05 runs of each other. Odorizzi has 2.5 years remaining of likely cheaper control, while Teheran has 2.5 years with an option. If the Braves were going to trade for Jake Odorizzi now or this offseason, what do you think they should give up in value?
They should partner Teheran with Inciarte and Suzuki and send him to the Cubs for Almora, Carantini and a couple arms like Hatch and Clifton. The Cubs just need to avoid including De La Cruz and or one of the Rd 1 picks from this year. Save Candelario for a Britton trade package since Machado is gone after next year.
Braves would never trade inciarte, and it would certainly take a lot more than those prospects you named if they would.
Braves would never trade inciarte, and it would certainly take a lot more than those prospects you named if they did.
“Trade Inciarte” anyone suggesting the Braves trade him don’t understand this team. Zero reason to trade our CF, arguably second face of the team behind MVFree for just about anything short of generational talent. We just locked him into a nice extension, and he’ll be holding down CF in the Trust for the next 4.5 years.
Inciarte? The Braves are not going to trade him.
Can we trade him for 2 AA prospects I’d be happy. They wouldn’t even have to be any good.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cubs didn’t pursue (changed their mind) Verlander based on Schwarber’s 3 hit game, 2 dingers the other day. Detroit would have wanted him. I’m glad they kept him, no matter what the numbers say so far in his short big league career he is the x-factor in that Cubs lineup.
Braves better hope that Julio doesn’t get worse moving forward into next season. Not many scouts like what they currently see. The Braves need to do some major work w/ him in the offseason. A return to form is never guaranteed.
He has to show he can pitch effectively in SunTrust or they have to move him. That’s one thing that sucks about moving to a new ballpark. You never know how guys on your current roster will fit there.
Everyone talks about SunTrust, but he is leaving the ball up while averaging 90-91 mph on his fastball and his breaking ball does not have any movement. He’s become a two-pitch pitcher with average to below average grades and he’s only 26. You leave a ball up in the zone with no movement at average speeds and any hitter will attack it. There’s a reason Teheran has given up a HR to a pitcher.
I think Braves need a new pitching coach, Leo Mazzone where are you !!!
Cubs should do a two birds one stone late inning reliever and a backup catcher. Justin Wilson and Avila for Candelario and 2 low to mid level prospects.
Or
AJ Ellis and the Marlins best remaining reliever for the same package.
You are aware that Justin WIlson + Avila is not equal in value to Aj Ellis + “the marlins best remaining reliever”, yes?
Yes but Justin Wilson is cheap and controllable. My point is they need to get a late inning pitcher and a backup catcher. Even though they really don’t need another catcher. Unless they go with 3 catchers like most of last year. Worked out great in game 7. All 3 catchers had an rbi
How about something like Hand and Sanchez for Baez and a “B” prospect? I don’t know how valued Baez is in Chicago, but seems like it could work to me.
Um, no. You’re severely undervaluing Baez and his future potential.
Hey Cubs fans…I’m curious….How highly is Baez thought of there? Is he a piece they’d be willing to trade for an extremely high leverage bullpen arm? Someone like Brad Hand for example? Again..just curious.
He is well liked except for the times he swings at breaking stuff two feet off the plate. If he can harness his free swinging ways (which does not seem likely), he’d be an All Star. Still, he is worth more than Hand. Some prospects would have to be included from SD. Doubt they would trade him as he is very versatile on the infield.
Baez has equal value to an elite closer other than Jansen and Kimberly. This is due to his versatility, power and youth.
A late inning reliever would have to be packaged with two or three decent prospects to pry Baez away from the Cubs.
I actually think the Cubs are better off keeping Baez and moving Russell instead. Packaging Russell, Almora OR Schwarber, and a prospect for a Sonny Gray or Darvish type starter makes more sense.
*Kimbrel*. Autocorrect sucks.
Lol, who said wieters was a good catcher
Told ya he wasn’t