The Padres’ asking price for lefty Brad Hand remain a key factor to watch over the next 24 hours. ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick (Twitter links) had suggested the ask was dropping, but later cited executives from other teams that indicated San Diego has not moved. Regardless of what the Friars are seeking, Crasnick says that most of the offers received thus far have included players with “limited ceilings” — prospects ranked in the 15 to 20 range within their respective organizations. The Padres’ front office hasn’t deemed any of those offers worth considering, and Crasnick notes that chairman Ron Fowler’s comments about being willing to hold onto Hand into the offseason weren’t posturing.
More on the market for relievers…
- Mets righty Addison Reed is “a focus” for the Red Sox as Boston look to bolster its relief corps in advance of tomorrow’s non-waiver deadline, tweets MLB Network’s Ken Rosenthal. However, there are multiple clubs with interest in Reed, and there’s no trade close at this time, he adds. MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand, meanwhile, tweets that while Boston’s interest is strong, they’re still one of as many as 10 clubs with some level of interest.
- The Astros and the Nationals have had the most serious discussions on Tigers left-hander Justin Wilson in the past 24 hours, Jon Morosi of MLB.com reports (on Twitter). Both teams have long been linked to the Detroit closer, who is in the midst of a career year and is controlled through the 2018 season. Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post tweets that the Nats have scouted Wilson closely, but no trade is imminent at this time.
- In marketing closer Zach Britton, the Orioles are seeking a greater package than the one the Yankees received in exchange for Aroldis Chapman last season (Gleyber Torres, Billy McKinney, Adam Warren and Rashad Crawford) but “not quite” what the Yanks received for Andrew Miller (Clint Frazier, Justus Sheffield, Ben Heller, J.P. Feyereisen), Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports reports. They’ve also received interest in right-handers Brad Brach and Mychal Givens, but they’re not inclined to deal the 27-year-old Givens, who is controlled through the 2021 season. The Astros, Dodgers and Nationals are among the teams that have expressed interest in Britton, Heyman writes.
- The Twins have “probably had the highest volume of calls” on closer Brandon Kintzler “and some of our other relievers,” general manager Thad Levine tells Jim Bowden and Jim Duquette of MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (audio link). Levine had no qualms about indicating that the Twins are opening to selling further assets after trading Jaime Garcia earlier today. He did suggest that the Twins “would like nothing more than to retain” Kintzler beyond the 2017 campaign, though as an impending free agent, the 32-year-old nonetheless seems a logical trade candidate. (Minnesota could look to re-sign him this winter even if he’s traded.)
I don’t blame the Padres. Hand has been an elite level arm the past two years. If teams don’t want to give up quality to get quality, that’s on them, and they can pay for it in the postseason
The Padres are such a sad organization. They will never compete again. They should move to Seattle.
What?!?! We aren’t talking basketball here. Seattle has a franchise, Troll.
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That’s a brilliant comment! So glad you chose to write it down!
Neither do Mariners. At least Padres have made their way to the World Series.
Yeah but they had a good team, a coach,a GM and owners that wanted to win!!!!
And what about the big earthquake that geologists say will hit the upper Northwest? Would you want two franchises—with all of their players—to sink into Puget Sound? JK. (Not about the earthquake though.)
actually, and this has nothing to do with baseball, but the “big one” that scientists are most worried about is the New Madrid fault, which has as its epicenter a location in southwest Missouri. It had some small earthquake activity about 20 years ago, which I could feel here in Indiana, but the scientists studying it predict a huge event in the near future, which would decimate St Louis, Kansas City and could affect locations as far as Chicago and Milwaukee, as well as a bunch of southern states. It’s at a higher threat level right now than the San Andreas fault.
My family owns a farm in Arkansas about 60 miles due north of Memphis and the USGS has set up a bunch of seismology equipment in a shed there. One of the guys that monitors it said that if a 8.0+ earthquake hit there it would be felt from New Orleans to Chicago and do serious damage for 50 miles from the epicenter. Kinda scary for my sister and her family who farm that land.
You must represent the team that wants Hand a All Star! For a bucket of base balls!
wrong sport buddy. Basketball needs a team in seattle, not baseball
It seemed inevitable that the asking price would come down. But it also seems like a joke that teams were offering their 15-20 ranked prospects. Brad Hand is controllable for two and half seasons. Has not allowed a run since June 10th. Has been consistent for 18 months now. And has the ability to close or be the set up man. AJ knows what type of players he wants and won’t settle.
I do think now is the time to trade him though, not in the offseason. He is on fire and they need to capitalize on it.
There’s a difference in each teams prospects. You take a team that has a weak farm like the Orioles or Giants. Their top 5 prospects might not even be in the top 10 on a team with a good deep farm like the Dodgers, White Sox, Yankees, etc. Plus you can have a young stud thats ceiling is realy high, but he could be say your #15 prospect because the ones in front of him are older and more developed. Thats what makes ranking them so hard.
Just something to think about.
Very good observation!
I think it’s more about depth and quantity of talent than available quality.
Chance Sisco, Ryan Mountcastle and Austin Hays have either made the preseason or mid-season top 100 at various prospect rating web sites.
And some guys who never make any of them do well—like Trey Mancini.
For some organizations, scouting and development are equally important. The Orioles have been terrible at developing young arms, but not young bats.
As an O’s fan, I can only hope that they’re not so stupid as to ask for a package like the Yankees got for Chapman. Britton hasn’t looked the same since coming off the DL, though it’s hard to know for sure—there haven’t been many save chances. Maybe he gets one today. If he looks sharp that might help, but IMO they still can’t get a haul like that.
If Britton can rebound the rest of this season, he can still get our O’s a package like the Padres got for Kimbrel or what the Yankees got for a rental of Chapman. Like me, you are probably rightfully worried about Britton because he has had the dreaded forearm strain this year, but last season he had the best year in the history of the game for a reliever.
In the art of negotiation you always aim high.
I don’t think he would pass through waivers though, or are you talking off-season?
Padres don’t need high ceiling guys that are in Rookie ball. From the guys we have seen rumors of them asking for, they want MLB ready prospects. Not going to find high ceiling, MLB ready prospects in lower rungs of prospect lists.
Padres should just keep Hand and trade for Gray. They are playing good ball right now and have a ton of great prospects so they may contend sooner if they trade from that depth.
The last thing the Padres need to be doing is trading away prospects to try and contend sooner. If they can’t get the best offer for Hand right now, they might as well hold onto him.
If we do what you are suggesting we are back to square one of this rebuild. No thanks.
Why? If they get Gray who has two more years of control and keep Hand who has 2 more years of control and sign/trade to get another starter and the shortstop they need, the Padres could contend before Gray and Hand are free agents. They could also offer to extend both of them. Certainly something that is done every year.
As deep as their system is, trading for Gray would not hurt them going forward as much as it would most other teams.
I really wish the O’s were in a position to trade for Gray instead of picking up washed up guys like Hellickson. We aren’t going to contend just by adding Hellickson and we don’t have the prospects that the Yankees and Sox have to either bring up or trade for top guys.
No they will not contend before Gray is a free agent and no they can’t extend him or Hand. What you are suggesting is basically what the Padres did three offseasons ago. How did that work out for them? Exactly.
Rebuilding teams don’t trade for guys like Gray. Period.
I don’t agree w that Ryan. With our payroll so low, we could easily extend them without breaking the bank and buy out their arb years. Hand 5 years 35 mil, Gray 5 years 70 mil. Sign Darvish for 5 years 120 mil, and use him to recruit Ohtani. We’d still have a solid bullpen w Yates, Hand, Maton , Torres. We would need a big bat tho to protect Myers. Donaldson would be sweet. We also need a legit leadoff hitter. Jankowski could be that guy but he’s been underwhelming and hurt. I think Margot is a much better #2 hitter than leadoff.
I’d prefer to keep the rebuild going til after next year, but I don’t think we are that far from being respectable. Lauren and Quantrill will be ready by next year. Darvish, Gray, Quantrill, Laurer, Perdomo/Wood could be a pretty nasty rotation.
Ok. If you say so. An article in Sporting News said that the Padres plan is to contend in 2019. Article I found just now in the San Diego Tribune had an interview with your owner in which he said 2019 was the year they were shooting at. 2019 is before Gray and Hand would be free agents.
Both the Cubs and the Astros, the two most recent examples of rebuilds, contended a year before anyone expected them too, so there is no real way you can know for sure that the Padres won’t contend before 2020 when Gray and Hand are free agents.
Before the 2015 season the Padres went after older, expensive veterans like Kemp, Shields, and Upton. Gray is younger and cheaper than any of those 3. So is Hand.
The Cubs traded for Arrieta and signed Hammel prior to the 2014 season and signed Lester before the 2015 season. They were still in the middle of their rebuild and not expected to contend until 2016 at that point. The Astros traded for Giles before the 2016 season when they didn’t need a closer because they were still in middle of their rebuild. Rebuilding teams do stuff like that all the time. Doesn’t seem like period to me.
Being so know it all when we have recent examples of teams that did exactly what you are saying never happens is not cool.
Hand and Gray both have no reason to agree to that and Darvish will get way more money come the offseason. You can’t force players to sign extensions and trading for a guy because you think he MIGHT take an extension is just stupid. That is what we did three years ago when we traded for Justin Upton and how did that work out for us? He rather predictably rebuffed our attempts at extension talks and after one year, went chasing the money to Detroit. You have to assume by default that that is what a player will do and that simply doesn’t work for the Padres with Hand and Gray. It is completely laughable of you to even think to suggest what you have suggested. If we do that we are back to square one of our rebuild.
Astros made the playoffs in 2015 so hard to say they were in the middle of a rebuild in 2016.
I’m glad you replied. Because every example you gave proves my point.
Hammel was under control with the Cubs through 2016, Arrieta through 2017 and Lester through 2021. All long enough to contribute to at least one great Cubs season. The Padres’ 2019 is the Cubs’ 2015. Making the playoffs is a best case scenario but by no means a guarantee. If we trade for Gray he leaves after that so we have an outside chance of having him on one good Padres team.
The Astros made the postseason the season before they acquired Ken Giles and no one who contributed to that team was a free agent afterwards. There was reason to believe they weren’t even wasting one year of Giles when they acquired him. They were NOT still rebuilding at that point.
You really need to check your facts dude. This comment was just a disaster for you.
Security. It happens every year. Young players want to lock in guaranteed money that they can’t get going season to season and they sign team friendly extensions. Two young players on the Padres did that after being traded to the Padres this year alone. Players are especially eager to do that if they are on a team that looks like it can win for a few years. The Padres definitely have the young players on their current roster and a bevy of good prospects that can keep them contending for a while.
Why you are so sure it can’t happen when everything you say won’t happen does happen all the time is beyond me. It says to me that you are a kid. That kind of attitude won’t get you far in life.
The Padres would not be trading for Gray hoping he would sign an extension, they would trade for him hoping he would be that #1 or #2 that they lack right now. When you look at their rotation for next season you see some good young pitchers like Lamet and Perdomo, and a couple of guys like Chacin and Wood that fit well at the back end, but no real TOR guys. Gray gives them that guy.
With Hand there, their bullpen looks really strong even with the loss of Buchter and Maurer.
The Padres appear to only have about $20 million in payroll locked in and another $30 million going to all the rest of the team next year. I would be guessing, but it looks like they have $50-60-70 million they can spend and most teams other than the Marlins don’t go multiple years with that low of a payroll.
With that kind of money available, they can go after a 2nd TOR starter or make another trade for the shortstop they haven’t been able to find in the draft and at least put a winning team on the field next season.
What you need to realize is that there are lots of smart people out there and you are not the smartest man in the room. Preller, like most GMs, has his job because he is the smartest man in the room. If he decides to go after Gray as many writers say he is, then he has a good reason. A reason that may be beyond your ability to comprehend. Maybe you should be looking for why he is looking to trade for Gray right now instead of claiming it can’t ever happen.
Astros were expected to win 74 games in 2015 after losing 92 in 2014 and were not expected to contend until 2017. They won 86 that year. They were definitely still in their rebuild phase.
The Astros lost 92 the season before and they were expected to win 74 in 2015. As it was, the only reason they made the playoffs was the collapse of the Rangers and the weakness of the AL West. They only won 86 games. They were definitely still in their rebuild stage and they were not expected to be a contender until 2017.
The Padres could easily do the same thing. Trading for Gray gives them 4 additional wins from his performance and a couple of more wins by pushing that #6 guy out of the rotation. Then they add a shortstop with all those prospects and all that money and they are in the hunt for a Wild Card next season like the Astros were in 2015.
Everything you have said is absolutely not possible is something that is done all the time. When you grow up you will realize that just because you want something doesn’t mean it’s right. Learn to have some humility when you are wrong and you will go further in life.
The Cubs were not expected to be contenders in 2015. They were expected to win 80-81 games. Your Padres were expected to win more games that year. Even Epstein was surprised and Lester said in an interview after the 2015 season that when he signed that contract that Epstein had told him to expect a couple more seasons like 2014 before they put it all together.
Why do you keep saying that Gray would absolutely be gone after 2019? It’s just not true. Players sign extensions after being traded for every year. Myers and Solarte on your own team.
Be a fan of your team and see the possibilities instead of a negative nelly. Especially since what you say is not possible happens every year.
The current Padres aren’t the 2014 Cubs. They won’t compete until their pitching prospects like Cal Quantrill and MacKenzie Gore make it to the show and they get a real shortstop. When you rebuild you have to commit to rebuilding. If you trade a bunch of prospects to try and force an early run you risk ruining the whole thing. That is why the Padres’ other rebuilds failed. They kept trying the “rebuild while still contending” thing. It doesn’t work. Your goal should be to win a World Series. Not simply “put a good product on the field.”
I’m sorry, but what has Preller done to prove that he is the smartest man in the room? He traded for Matt Kemp. He traded away Trea Turner. He ALMOST signed Pablo Sandoval then tried to trade for him a year later. He signed James Shields to the biggest contract in franchise history only to pay half his contract to get rid of him a year later. He failed to trade pending free agent Justin Upton for Michael Fulmer. There are plenty of things to hang your hat on if you are a Preller hater.
No team that just made the playoffs and has their entire core still intact is in their rebuilding phase.
The Padres have a boatload of pitching prospects and enough money to sign Gray in free agency two years from now if they want to. Why would they trade a bunch of prospects for a VERY outside chance of making the playoffs in 2018 or 2019? They are building for sustained success and Gray will not be the difference between making it and not making it.
I’m saying Gray will be gone after 2019 because by default you have to assume that in order to value a player correctly.
Buddy you need to get over yourself and realize that you are not always right.
P.S. way to upvote all your own comments and downvote mine.
Didn’t know folks could rate their own comments here, that’s unusual and gotta be a bug. I don’t see any of this as I’m on an iPad and the MLBTR app doesn’t show ratings or allow me to rate. Can’t imagine what anyone thinks they accomplish by uprating their own comments other than subjecting themselves to well deserved ridicule.
It’s a general rule of thumb not to downrate someone you are arguing with. Looks small minded and petty. If the subject comments are sufficiently abusive or trollish others will come along and take care of bidness for you.
Janko could be that guy. True Padres don’t need a Sonny Gray at this point in rebuild
Padres are not contending 2019 be real
You forgot the one that will ultimately bring him down since it’s always about $ and wasting 83 mil on Myers can’t sit well
The misnomer is that the Orioles have a weak farm,,,they don’t. Remember, they traded four pitchers of the past few years that has hindered them. But the farm has produced Manny, Schoop, Wieters, Givens, Britton, Tillman(before this year a solid starter), Mancini, Joseph, Hart, Gauseman, Bundy with many others.
A scout I talked to at the Yards said they could have at least two, possibly three players on the top 100 next year with many more developing. Guys like Sisco(22), Hays(22, who leads minor league baseball in doubles and is in the top five in extra base hits), Mullins, Scott, Lee, Wells, Means, Mountcastle(20) is a stud, just needs a position. Harvey is fully recovered from TJ surgery and is ready for Double A this season. The Orioles have taken great care to rebuild their farm system and need to resist the temptation to trade more of their prospects in a futile attempt to make the second wild card. I think now’s the time to make the move and continue the rebuild by trading Britton, Brach and anyone else who can bring a return.
The debate here continues to be, do they re-sign Manny and Schoop? If they don’t., then those guys can be traded, too….and the haul they might bring is mind boggling.
Completely agree! I find it hard to believe that the offers were that low for someone of his caliber.
I hope the Dodgers step it up and try to land Hand.
Its not a joke to offer 15-20 ranked prospects when the Padres were demanding top prospects. Not as much of a joke as what the Padres were demanding.
All these Padres fans claiming to get top prospects, it was never gonna happen and the silly comments of well it cant hurt to ask is again proven absurd. Well if it does not hirt to ask for outlandish top prospects then it does not hurt to counter with a low ball offer.
Nothing but time wasted by the Padres joke GM AJ Preller
Miller. Chapman rental. Smith. These guys set the bar for what elite relievers are worth and Hand is elite. No doubt about that.
Low balling does hurt in that you don’t get what you want and the other party loses confidence in your sincerity and is less likely to deal with you at all in the future. It’s a lose, lose for you when you do it. It won’t get your team Hand.
Like all GMs, Preller will do what is best for his club and if all other teams are offering is lower level prospects that are not MLB ready, he will keep Hand. Hand’s surplus value is high, he is very affordable, and he is under team control for several years. He is worth a Chapman like trade, but he will net at least a Smith like trade. If not, he stays on their team.
One thing I know is true in life is that when people insult others that are not there to defend themselves, that the one making the nasty comments are insecure and the comments are really about themselves.
JKB, dude, he is elite with team control. Name another reliever who hasn’t allowed a run in 7 weeks. He has been a complete stud since he arrived in San Diego.
Tell me, name a comparable player to him on the trade market right now. He hasn’t been injured at all, he has been dominant, he is cheap and controllable. No one like that is available.
Maybe they don’t get the Chapman and Miller return, I get that. But they will get more than Smith got he Brewers last year. So yes, the offering of certain prospects who are in the 15-20 range is a joke.
I agree 15-20 range prospects are a joke. I said so. I said its not as a joke as Preller asking for Torres or comparing him to Miller. Or like when Preller wants Goldschmidt for Kimbrel. You start with crazy high the other side starts with crazy low. Waste of time. Preller is not a negotiator
You aren’t gonna get Hand for a low-ball offer. Don’t cry when your bullpen gets worked over and get obliterated in the post season. We will makes sure to laugh at you for not making a deal. We are going to hold on to him, and he will rack up saves from now until the end of the season, continuing the success he has already made. And, at the off season, y’all will end up paying more, regretting that you didn’t make the deal this July. We will get a haul for Hand, period.
I’m looking at you, Nationals. Your bullpen still stinks even after the trade. You still have a chance to fix what has been broken all season long.
Y’all sound pretty bitter about nobody thinking like Padres fans regarding paying a Kings ransom for Hand.
Maybe y’all should direct it towards your Rock Star GM not being able to land a good deal, and that y’all have bragged about on MLB TradeRumors in the past.
You tell it straight Rocky7! Delusional Padres fans and their Kings Ransom comments for months remember they thought they would get Gleybar Torres amd compared Hand to Chapman and Miller. Hilarious.
Sane padres fans knew that Hand would not bring back a guy like Torres. But he should still be able to bring back a top 100 prospect.
Agreed Sixflags. Well said
Hand is good , but he’s no Miller or Chapman. You guys won’t give him away but your not getting 3-4 high level prospects either.
Hardly anybody thought Hand would net 3-4 top players.
The price would fall somewhere between Will Smith and Andrew Miller.
Top 100 prospect and 1 or 2 10-20 like top 100 and the 10th or top 100 and 15th and 20th was a reasonable estimate on Hand.
But we’ve seen these tactics from Peller- diamondbacks called about Kimbrel Preller said Goldschmidt. Yankees low balled with Mateo. Kimbrel wound up being traded for far more than anything Preller got at the deadline.
I will even accept a swap. I’m okay with Hand for Soto of WSH, Hand for Groome of BOS or Hand for Whitley of HOU. I think they are adequate, because all of the names listed were in the early stages of their development. I think that it is outrageous to think that Padres can get multiple top 100 prospect for Hand at this point. Maybe after Hand shows they he can close games and close it with dominance, which is quite plausible, he may cost multiple top 100 prospect. Until then, I’m okay with a straight up swap and I think that is the most realistic outcome.
A 1 for 1 swap with one those guys? Hand has pitched 143.1 innings of 2.57 ERA (2.86 FIP) in relief; with a SO9 of 11.4 and BB9 of 3.1. He hasn’t given up a run in over a month and has completely dominated since taking over the closer role.
He should be traded 1 for 1 for a player who hasn’t even thrown a pitch or taken a single swing in a MLB game? Don’t kid yourself.
Currently, Brad Hand isn’t getting Torres/Robles/etc., but he will easily net 3-4 players, at least two of whom will be solid (not elite) prospects.
A dominant starter with long term control in Pomeranz was worth Espinoza. Hand is a reliever, not a starter. Assuming Hand’s value is lower than Pomeranz, I think the names listed in my prior comment are justifiable and plausible return for Hand.
Forest Whitley is an elite prospect. I would be more willing to include a top 100 prospect but not him. No way.
It’s a little tough to “rack up saves” when your team is pathetic.
He may not blow saves like you blow your A$$. I will troll you too, if you troll me.
No its not. Maurer is 12th in the entire league with 20. Even on bad teams you can still get 35-40 saves in a season.
I just looked at Maurer’s game log. Most of those saves were in June and July. The Padres are one game over .500 since June 1st.
It’s amazing how little people know and still post rude comments. I am an O’s fan and even I know that the Padres are playing .500 ball since the beginning of June and they have been on fire in July. Maybe you should pay attention to the sport you are posting about.
@outinleftfield
Did you not just say previously that you learned in life that when you insult others its really about your insecurity and you are saying it about yourself?
No one cares who your team is nor is anyone impressed that you can check the standings or google a teams record since June. Sorry not impressed. Are you impressing yourself
HAHAHAHAHAHA, so you still think you’re getting Adames + from Rays????
haha you still think you’re getting Hand at all??
Padres arent getting Adames and Rays arent getting Hand.
Which is fine.
The Orioles trading Zach Britton is Fake News!
Lol. Just funny.
Dodgers should jump in and take Hand from the pads… They have enough in the minors to get him without loosing any talent.
Kinda confusing comment. They could, and arguably should, acquire Hand, but it’s hard to see how they’d do so without giving up quality talent. Their farm will still be strong, no doubt, but it’ll be a dent
Dodgers say they want a lefty reliever… Hand fits that. The pads will take anyone… Then flip them next year… Example the Upton brothers , Kemp….. so the dodgers could give them…. Calhoun,verdugo ( I know probably too high of a prospect ) heck even trace, since I don’t see him coming back up. Hand is still under control ??? And maybe honey can improve him, talent wise. They say Kershaw and kenley have influence so maybe that could work. I don’t think the dodgers have a chance with Britton. They seem intent on going after darvish, which I’m sure will break thier bank. So to me Hand seems like a sreal
Really?
Judging what the Padres will do off of the trading of Kemp and the Uptons?
Anyone who k owe anything knows that was a unique situation.
They “went for it” and it didn’t work….period.
But Preller has now moved on to the correct way of doing it and that’s stockpiling young talent.
He is not trying Hand for someone to flip.
He wants young high upside talent even if it’s 4-5 years away.
Dodgers won’t trade a bunch of top prospects for Darvish, Britton or anyone else that’s available. Before they sold the farm they would stand pat. We have a dominant bullpen , deep bench, and 7 or 8 good starters most #1, 2, and 3s on most teams, and a great young line up. We could use a good LHP for the bullpen and/ or a #1 or #2 starter to help in the playoffs, but we could also just go with what we have.
So he wants talent ok. But for what ? How long have the Padres finished last in their division. For the last few years all the seem to be is a major league farm system or talent pool for other teams to come and pick from. Kinda like a spinning wheel smorgasbord… Spin the wheel see where it lands and take your pick. Last time the pads we’re all in was late 80s 90s
I agree.dont give up to much talent.better to keep what you have,and let it develop. But if there is a sleeper or a steal then why not take advantage. Still think gray is a better deal than darvish m
According to what we have read on this site, Preller has asked for only MLB ready talent like Torres and Adames for Hand so far. I don’t think he is interested in players that are 4-5 years away.
The Padres have finished last in their division once in the past 6 seasons and that was after trading or signing for a bunch of big name guys. They won’t finish last this season either.
In 2010 the Padres won 90 games. In 2005 and 2006 they won the NL West and in 2007 they should have made the playoffs and would have if there was instant replay.
Maybe you should take advantage of this amazing tool you are using called the internet and look up what the team you are trying to disparage has actually done. Then you won’t look like such a putz.
I’m more confused about the “loosing” comment. Not sure what that is.
It’s when a GM is going to okay a trade but looses his phone to call the other GM. Duh
I agree. He’s probably more dependable than Britton at this point. If the Pads will deal with the Dodgers, I’d do it.
Agree. Anytime I read forearm strain or tightness” I hear “precursor to TJ”. Hand should cost much less but still return a top 10 LA prospect to the Padres, which will be better than mosts top five.
Offer the Padres a deal worth trading Hand.
Just because you offer the best offer doesn’t mean its a worthwhile offer to trade Hand.
Padres have options. Let Hand close and build value and trade him during the off season or offer him a long term contract to buy out his arbitration years and 2 free agent years which will let hin seek another long term contract at 31.
Before chapman was traded he had put up 4 seasons of 2.5+ WAR. Miller had 3 excellent years and team control. Hand has been great for 1.5 years but has also benefited from his home park. Last year his xFIP was 3.34 and only contributed a 1.6 fWAR even after throwing 89 innings. Preller and fans need to lower their expectations or they will be disappointed.
The big difference in value is that Miller had been closing for part of that 2015 season and played in NY which puts him on TV for most of the country to watch. Everyone over here on the east coast is asleep by the time Hand comes in at 10 PM Pacific/1 AM Eastern.
Markets are not set by value as compared to everyone that plays, they are set by value compared to what is available. No one should be trying to argue that there is a better reliever available in trade right now. Hand is by far the best reliever available and that will still be true in the offseason.
The league values closers more highly than setup men regardless of how god they are. Look at Betances in arbitration this season. He had the stats to get the money the was asking for but he was not closing games so he got less. Hand will be worth substantially more in trade than anyone thinks he is worth now if he continues to close games. GM’s would be smart to snatch him up for just their top prospect now, because he will cost what Miller or Chapman did in a few months if he continues to dominate as a closer.
WAR is not worth discussing for relievers. Go read the piece on it from the most recent SABR convention. The guy that invented the stat said to ignore it completely for relievers and catchers.
Hold onto Hand, let him close remainder of the season, and trade during the off season.
Or during the offseason work out a long term deal with hand to buy out his remaining 2 arb years at 6 and 7 mill respectively and 2 free agent years at 11 and 12 respectively with a 15 mill option 3-5 mill buy out.
Which gives the Padres 5 years of Hand but doesnt jeopardize the long term plan.
If teams are low balling preller increase his asking price and Hands calue by closing during the off season or stick it to the teams by giving Hand a long term deal.
Hand isn’t taking an extension.
And yes, I am his agent.
What? why wouldn’t any player get an extension as soon as they can? especially w him being a waiver claim, his success still comes w some risk. I’d rather get 40 mil now than 4-5 in arbitration and hope I don’t blow arm out.
Because he’ll get more in free agency. Easy
Every player would get more in free agency NITWIT. It’s called security.
The default assumption is and will always be that the player will test free agency. And if I were the nitwit I would have been the one that said the Yankees traded Chapman for Torres and Frazier. But no, that was you.
Wonder if the Braves would trade top ten pitching prospect Max Fried (Obtained from Padres following TJS) for Brad Hand. Fried, now 23, is ready to compete for a rotation spot next spring. Hand could get an audition in closer role for Braves.
Fried is not,and will never be the same.
Pass
There is a reason the braves got those players
Preller didn’t want them
Fried would be the second or third piece in a Hand trade. Not the headliner.
There are precedents. Excellent relievers cost. I am not claiming Hand is in a same league as Chapman nor Kimbrel. But his worth is beyond top 15-20 prospect in their respective organization. Like I said, Padres doesn’t have to trade Hand right now. Preller can use Hand’s affordable contract and its duration as a leverage against the other team. If I were Preller, I’m willing to take chances and not trade Hand. His value can only go up when he racks up more saves. Prospects come and go, after all. You only get a shot in clinching WS once a year. When prospects are, just a prospect, you should rather spend them in a way that strengthen your odd to win the WS?
Yes. An organisational top 15 to 20 is ludicrous. However, I would not personally do a top 40 prospect either. I think a top 100, organisational top 10 and a high ceiling prospect should get it done.
They’re disrespecting Brad Hand, he costs more than a few top 20 guys
Well not if those top 20 are actually in the top 10. But yes, 15-20 range is ludicrous.
I don’t know the Cubs farm system well enough to offer a proposed package but I would love to see the Cubs snag him.
I wonder if Candelario, Hannemann, Jake Stinnett, & Javier Assad is enough to get a deal done
I’m laughing at you too, when you team spends $200+ million dollars and just have players sit on their couch watching WS games. And you are watching WS game on your TV knowing that your team isn’t even playing. You can troll me all you want but I can fire back, too.
It’s just a bad time to try and trade a Reliever. All the other ones that have been traded so far have brought back underwhelming returns, despite the fact that so many teams are starved for help. The Pads should just hang on to him and try again in the offseason.
Here are the relief pitcher done deals and the ones still available:
Done deals:
Craig Brewslow: Braves
Justin Wilson: Dodgers
Kintzler: Nationals
Hand: Red Sox
Addison Reed: Red Sox
Fernando Rodney: Phillies
Not done deals:
Britton looking at Giants, D-Backs, Rockies, Nationals, Astros
Givens looking at Orioles, Rays, Indians, Royals.
What are you smoking?
When we’re these deals made ?
This guys trolling
Give props to Aj preller for not being forced to take a deal, his eye for talent evaluations is evident. He knows what type of players he wants high risk/high reward and if no one is offering any you don’t make the trade.
I think Hand will have to wait until this offseason to be traded. There are just too many people available and not enough buyers. I think the the Pads originally overvalued him. However, I agree his value is certainly more than some mid level prospect package.
I think the Padres should trade AJ and Green and work with the team we have!!!!!
The padres haven’t lowered their asking price
nor should they. Hand is 27 years old, not 31. He is elite. Hasn’t allowed a run since June 10th. If Chapman got Torres and Frazier as a rental, we should easily be able to get a top 15 overall prospect. He’s elite, 2+ years of control, and cheap. I wouldn’t mind him being on our team for the next 5 years so keep him. Need to trade Chacin before he walks.
Someone said they did and he corrected himself
The same guy they got the info from but the other teams are trying to low all with 15-20 is what all reports say
He is worth a quality piece
Chapman didn’t get Torres and Frazier you nitwit! Just Torres. Miller got Frazier. And Hand is only controlled for 2 years after this one.
I meant Chapman got torres, Miller Frazier. ctfo
Hand, Hand, Hand, Hand
The owner of their team said 2 days ago that Hand’s price was going up with his performance, not down as people seem to think, and on this site various writers have said Preller was asking for MLB ready prospects like Torres and Adames.
One writer tweets that the price has come down and suddenly everyone says I told you so.
I doubt that Preller has lowered his price one iota. Hand is the best reliever available and he will still be the best reliever available come the offseason other than Britton. The Padres don;t have to trade him now. Today, Hand is worth at a minimum what Will Smith cost the Giants and to me he is a much better pitcher than Smith was at the time of that trade. If Hand keeps closing the rest of the year he will be worth what Chapman, Kimbrel, or Miller was worth in trade. Not because he is as good as they are, but because he is that much better than anyone else available on the market.
*Jerry Crapdick
Doesn’t matter who gets who or where anyone goes. We as fans will still watch and or attend games,pay attention to the stats,go out and buy mlb 2018 and come back a year from now and re do all this wishing and hoping again
Hand might be the most valuable reliever on the market, but if reports are to be believed, his value is being very overvalued by the Padres and their fans. Below are Hand’s stats from the beginning of 2016 and also Will Smith’s stats from 2015 to the 2016 deadline when he was moved.
11.92 K/9, 3.48 BB/9, 0.84 HR/9, 2.95 ERA, 2.94 FIP, 3.12 xFIP
11.37 K/9, 3.14 BB/9, 0.75 HR/9, 2.57 ERA, 2.86 FIP, 3.12 xFIP
Looking at their stats, there isn’t a huge difference between the 2 young, controllable lefties. One of the pitchers above was traded at last years deadline as a 26 year old with 3.5 years of cheap control remaining. He was traded for a 50 FV pitcher and a 45/50 FV MLB ready catcher. The other pitcher is getting ready to be moved as a 27 year old with 2.5 years of cheap control remaining.
How much is Brad Hand really worth?
Hand can pitch multiple innings and his splits against righties are about the same as lefties. That’s a huge advantage.
Hand has a 1.95 FIP this year against righties, but last year he had a 3.65 FIP against RHB. For his career he has a 4.41 FIP against RHP. In 2015 Smith had a 1.92 FIP against RHB and 3.70 FIP against RHB in 2016 and 4.00 for his career. That sounds like pretty similar numbers to me. Also, this talk about Hand going multiple innings isn’t really a thing. He has averaged 1.09 IP/G since the beginning of last season. In other words, every 3rd to 4th outing, he will pick up one additional out. It’s something, but hardly means he is a multi inning fireman like Padre fans are trying to make it out to be.
Hand is good, but I’d be very surprised to see a team offer the type of package that Padre fans seem to be expecting. As a Rays fan, I can definitely say that I hope the Rays don’t pay anything close to that amount for him.
This is so very spot on…However, I heard this Hand fella can pitch multiple innings!!
“For his career”
Yeah, you just proved you have 0 clue about what you’re talking about. Tell us how important “career” numbers are.
Andrew Miller has a career era+ of 108, whip of 1.337, and FIP of 3.51
Cause you know his “career numbers” really matter when discussing his work as a reliever.
baseball-reference.com/players/m/millean01.shtml
Also you conveniently left out how in
2014 Will Smith 78 games only 65.2 innings
2015 he had 76 games 63.1 games.
Oh and you left out 2014 will Smith gave up .295/.391/.485 to righties.
So, he was a pitcher who a. Could only get 1 OR 2 guys out in a game and b. Was actually dominant against both righties and lefties for 1 season in 2015 as in 2014 righties thrashed him.
Now, how much is Brad Hand worth? More than Will Smith got.
Please don’t post uneducated comments like this omitting details and relying on irrelevant stats from now on. It’s an embarrassment for you and just makes you look stupid when someone destroys your comment.
” . . . You just proved you have 0 clue about what you’re talking about.”
“Please don’t post uneducated comments like this . . . It’s an embarrassment for you and just makes you look stupid when someone destroys your comment.”
Well, perhaps one of these days someone will “destroy” one of his comments and we.’ll see. You, however, have fallen far short of the mark you set for yourself.
Also, I assume you are planning on posting only error free comments yourself from now on. With your OTT obnoxious response you have invited the rest of the site to scrutinize your every word and similarly abuse you should you err. Not sure what you thought you were accomplishing here but I doubt it’ll what you’ll actually get.
Ideally, I was hoping to get commentors who actually had the ability to look at a players career outside pure numbers.
“Career numbers” mean nothing when discussing a player that has transitioned.
Nobody brings up Miller’s “career numbers” who was a failed starter, somewhat decent swingman, and now elite reliever.
Nobody brings up Delin Betances “career nunbers” when he was a failed starter in the yankees farm system and got destroyed in games he pitched as a starter for the yankees.
Also, there is a difference between “error free” and “omitting details to make an argument”. Idc about people making errors if they look up stats wrong or spell stuff wrong whatever. What I do care about is people blatantly ignoring info because it doesnt fit their narrative or choosing the worst possible irrelevant stat to make their argument.
Sounds like youve got some personal issues to work through yourself. “Fallen short” well, if your comment is any indictation of your life it seems to be a perfect word choice on your part.
“Ideally, I was hoping to get . . .”
With your OTT obnoxious approach and personal attacks you are likely only gonna get people who enjoy exchanging insults. I’ll pass, although my track record demonstrates that I’m quite capable.
“Career numbers” mean nothing when discussing a player that has transitioned.”
That isn’t true. If a player is currently being used in a different role than previously it makes sense to focus on his stats in that new role rather than overall career numbers, but those career numbers are not meaningless. Just not as meaningful as the more recent performance.
“Nobody brings up Dellin Betances “career numbers” when he was a failed starter in the yankees farm system and got destroyed in games he pitched as a starter for the Yankees.”
Here’s the part where your obnoxious approach hurts you. Were you a calm, non offensive type I would reluctantly and quietly point out to you that Dellin Betances has started a grand total of ONE game in the major leagues. Not “games”, game, singular. He didn’t do particularly well in that start although he avoided taking an L. But it’d be perfectly fine to talk about Betances “career numbers” since, other than that 2 2/3 inning start, they are identical to his numbers as a reliever. If you weren’t too damn lazy to do even the minimal amount of homework you would know this.
“Also, there is a difference between “error free” and omitting details to make an argument. . . What I do care about is people blatantly ignoring info because it doesn’t fit their narrative . . .”
Agreed. But when you shoot your mouth off and insult people right and left you are pretty much inviting them to similarly rip you a new one when you make a blatant, obvious mistake, as you did above re: Betances ghost MLB starts. It’s a choice you make, either play nicely with others or expect your time to be spent in constant combat.
“Sounds like you’ve got some personal issues to work through yourself.”
And what issues would those be? Sounds like you’re projecting again.
“Fallen short” well, if your comment is any indication of your life it seems to be a perfect word choice on your part.”
I’d probably respond to this were it coherent. Troll better next time.
Britton is not as good as Chapman or as Miller, nor as inexpensive as either of them was at the time,and is not worth a similar package.
Dan has proven repeatedly over the last several years that he is a terrible judge of pitching. He thought Jiminez, Gallardo, Miley were worth their millions, he gave 9+ mill to Norris, 5+ to Tommy Hunter, too much to Matusz, he ignored too many cheap FAs to mention, he gave up on several guys who are doing well with their new teams and etc etc.
For Dan to think that Britton is worth a similar package is foolishness. He might’ve been worth close to that in January, but he certainly is not now.
Nats, let’s get Reed and Wilson! We do not need Britton