MONDAY: The Yankees announced that Dr. Kremchek confirmed the diagnosis and will perform Tommy John surgery on Pineda tomorrow.
SATURDAY: Pineda will see Dr. Timothy Kremchek in Cincinnati for a second opinion on Monday, and he could undergo Tommy John surgery Tuesday, tweets FanRag’s Jon Heyman.
FRIDAY: Yankees GM Brian Cashman announced devastating injury news to reporters today, revealing that Michael Pineda has been diagnosed with a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow (Twitter link via the YES Network’s Jack Curry). He’s seeking a second opinion, but Tommy John surgery has already been recommended.
Suffice it to say, the timing of Pineda’s injury could hardly be worse for the Yankees or for the player himself. Already rumored to be on the lookout for rotation help, the Yankees will now be without a right-hander that was one of their most productive starters for the season’s first two months. Pineda, however, has logged a 6.14 ERA over his past seven starts. It’s not clear exactly when the discomfort in his elbow began, but Curry tweets that he didn’t mention it to the team until a couple of days after his most recent start. The 28-year-old was just two and a half months from reaching free agency at a relatively young age for a pitcher.
Even with that poor stretch, Pineda’s season ERA sits at a respectable 4.39, and he’s averaged 8.6 K/9 against just 2.0 BB/9 through 96 1/3 innings thus far in 2017. However, he’ll obviously miss the remainder of the season if he undergoes Tommy John surgery (as well as most of next year) and would still likely miss most of the remaining season if he undergoes an alternative treatment such as a stem cell procedure or platelet-rich plasma injection.
The best starter that was available on the trade market has already gone to the Cubs, as Jose Quintana was dealt in a surprising cross-city swap just yesterday. Sonny Gray is known to be available, and other options such as Gerrit Cole and Julio Teheran have been mentioned, though asking prices there figure to be extremely high. Rental options include names like Jaime Garcia, Trevor Cahill, Derek Holland and Jeremy Hellickson, though it’s possible that the Yankees simply stick with internal options as well. Cashman told reporters that top prospect Chance Adams “could be” an option in the rotation (via Curry), though for the time being they’ll call on Bryan Mitchell in Pineda’s spot and turn to Luis Cessa for their upcoming doubleheader.
Uh oh. The cost of SP just got greater. One less SP on the market this offseason.
He woudlnt have brought back much at all. Assuming he was available.
Not what I said. One less this OFFSEASON. FA pitching is at a premium and now there is one less good SP to bid on. But hold on to your “prospects” while giving up 6 runs a game(chuckles)
And one more bidder for a SP at the deadline as well so the price should go up at the deadline as well
CUETO!!
Think you guys are stuck with Cueto too big a salary and a big drop off in performance.
I so hope the Rangers become sellers. Darvish & Hamels should be made available.
What the heck
Sonny Gray for Frazier goes down now.
I think there’s less of a chance that Yanks make any big moves now!
Hey “just another fanboy”
I’ll trade you my Rudy May for your Ricky Henderson!
Deal?
lol sure why not, theyre both like 60 now?
A player to be named later and you have a deal.
Yanks would need to go on a big win streak before they go after Gray. They are very hesitant in trading their good prospects. According to yank fans Gray is worthless so they will get Kershaw in a trade for Frazier and Torres because they are future HOF.ers.
Don’t be silly. The yankees would only trade 1 of their future HoF for Kershaw because his contract is too expensive.
Kershaw a contract actually contains a “poison pill” that says if he is traded mid season he becomes a FA following that season. So his contract is actually affordable. Not that he would ever be traded anyway, but that makes it almost impossible to trade for him. Smart contract provision.
Cubs in talks with gray
Doubt Cubs could obtain Gray. Since they traded away most of their assets in the last 2 years. More likely they are looking for relievers from the A’s.
If Happ, Schwarber and Baez are on the table, Sonny’s a Cub.
A’s have no need for Schwarber they have to many DHs as it is. I doubt cubs offer up Baez or Happ in a trade if they did a deal probably be worked out.
If and when the A’s trade Alonso, Healy can play first and Schwarber could DH.
Those three for Sonny? Ha, wayyyy too much. That’s laughable.
Again Sonny Gray is not worth Frazier I dont know why you so stuck on the Yankees trading away Frazier, you know we do have other prospects to trade you are obsessed with the Yankees and them trading Frazier ive never seen anything like it. You will be let down when we dont trade him.
chris its because that is the only prospect that makes sense for the A’s. They lack any good OF help on the team right now. Trading for players a few years away would be a waste. Most of the yanks best prospects are in A ball. Most A’s best prospects are up this year or close to next year so you want to make the run when they are together.
Meanwhile ive seen people on here say Frazier is horrible and wont be anything good but yet his name is all I see when people want the Yankees to make a trade for a pitcher, we have other good prospects to trade aside from Frazier hes not the only prospect get over yourselves as I said before Sonny Gray is not worth Frazier there would have to be a lot more coming back to the Yankees than just Gray.
Fine with me the A’s don’t trade with the yanks. I feel Frazier alone is not worth Gray. So package up those prospects for a pitcher like Hahn. Hey how about Colon. There are many SP out there for the yanks to trade for if they don’t want to give up their best prospects.
Sounds like you care or you wouldn’t be so angry. Did i insult you? NO but you go on a angry rant of insults and classless comments. So a apology is in order from you. Show some class and apologize for your comments. Try acting like a adult when you make comments.
ok. frazier and judge for grey. got it.
Who’s Grey? LOL
Actually Chris you have that wrong there would be more then Frazier going to the A’s if the trade was made which I don’t think it will. The Yankees are ahead of there time frame I don’t think they will be buyers this trade deadline and if they fall further back then they might be sellers. I know you think the world of Frazier but it’s going to take more then Frazier if the Yankees really wanted Gray.
The return for Gray is going to be similar to the return for Q maybe a little less but not much straight up for Gray you are crazy Chris.
For Frazier?? More like Gray, Alonso, and Madson.
Replace Judge with Frazier the deal makes sense. When did Frazier become a HOF player?
No one here called Frazier a HOF player what I am saying is that I am not trading him just for Sonny Gray alone we would need to get a lot more back along with Gray if thats the case. I’d rather keep Frazier anyway than trade him away for a guy who’s been hurt the last few years with arm problems no thanks.
A’s would have to include more than Gray for the Yankees to even consider Judge. No way is Gray worth it.
Yankees would have to include more that Frazier for the A’s to even consider Gray. No way is Frazier worth it.
Lol Judge for Gray???? C’mon now. That’s ridiculous hahahaha
I agree. The A’s can keep Gray. Perhaps they can work out the deal with the Cubs that has been reported.
MurderersRow Iv’e resigned myself to not even respond to these mindless fools don’t even respond and give them a audience because that’s what they are looking for because they have nothing else better to do with their pathetic time.
Jimenez and Cease > Frazier, Mateo and Adams
You and billy are gonna cry when that day comes and the yankees trade one of your untouchable prospects
And you are not a gm. This is clear
Gray for TODD Frazier maybe ?
But not the Red Thunder who will occupy LF in the Bronx for the next 10 years.
Maybe now we will get to see Chance Adams?
I bet we do now. We have no other choice really. I don’t really want to see Cessa back in there.
We will get a Chance to see Adams… get traded.
Great post. Pineda was one of the most frustrating pitchers I’ve ever seen. So tired of hearing “Great stuff but….”. No way the Yanks were going to resign Pineda so let’s see what the Kids can do?
shame on them. oh well Quintana is off the boards because they couldnt give up a top prospect.
Why butter? Be happy with your deal! Unless you like the Yankee prospects better?
Hahaha
Sorry
Why bitter?
Shame on them for what?
I don’t think it was a matter of 1 top prospect. After all, that’s not what the Cubs gave up was it?
Spot on my man that’s what happens when GM’s play for next year. One fall, a car accident, tripping on stairs or some other freak stuff and next year is finished before the first pitch of 2018. When your in the hunt you pay to pay this year
Hey White Sox, how much for Quin-
…. oh wait nvm
“Our top 10 prospects are all untouchable and Quintana isn’t worth it. He’s a no.3-no.4 at best”
lmao
How dare you troll the Yanks. So jealous. H8r.
Did any Yankee fan say that? Top ten untouchable? Don’t be trolling now Los Rojas!
I think we have certain prospects untouchable for Q and Grey.
pitchers are very volatile animals and you don’t trade the farm unless your one pitcher away. If anything this hurts Yanks chances of making any deals and stay put which is fine but don’t be haters. Love on each other as that cookoo pop singer said.
It takes 2 minutes to go to the last pre-trade Q article to see yanks fans calling nearly all of their top 15 untouchables because they’re too valuable. Saying Adams, Sheffield, Mateo, Florial, Andujar, etc in addition to Frazier, Torres, and Rutherford are off the table in a trade for Gray or Q is a joke.
No one is being a hater it’s called being realistic when it comes to prospects.
Yeah most are untouchable because why would we trade them away this year when we aren’t winning the world series makes no sense at all, Cashman and a lot of the smart Yankee fans are looking at the big picture towards the future we aren’t looking just for short term success. Getting to the playoffs and losing in the wild card round or in the ALDS is not a successful season maybe it is to the rest of you fans out there who know nothing about baseball and are easily satisfied but that isn’t us, never has been and never will be I am done arguing with you mindless people.
You keep thinking that while you watch the playoffs instead of playing in them
It’s called rebuild Lep!
Rebuild.
Lol
Can’t gut the farm because you might make wild card but know your not better then four other teams in league regardless if you acquire Grey.
Think.
Your a smart guy I’m sure as you are the Leprechaun!
I love it when people who try to insult others have poor grammar.
So troll or just stupid?
Stand and admire that blast, Spanish Sox. You earned it.
the yankees should take a CHANCE on their sp spec adams
Here comes his “chance”! Aka chance adams
i knew someone would comment that lol
Well he’ll never throw for the Yankees again
Cueto?
Yeah I would do a Cueto deal or szamardia
Sorry, didn’t finish thought
Cueto or szamardia if we can dump salary for them which I doubt!
I doubt this changes the Yankees plans at the deadline. They were already on the lookout for starting pitching but weren’t going to part with any major prospects for it. I think this just means Chance Adams will get a chance to start now.
Besides the hit starting pitching depth takes now, I don’t know if Pinedas injury is that devastating for the Yankees. He was reverting back to old Pineda. At least now, they have a chance to infuse new blood into the rotation and maybe get a jolt that way. We shall see what happens!
Also for anyone thinking that the Yankees must wish they traded for Q, the yanks have known about the injury for a few days now and still didn’t pull the trigger…again don’t expect a huge trade regardless of the injury
Cashman stated that they were aware of this for several days. Glad he showed restraint and didn’t overpay in a trade. Finding out about this injury now is better for Yankees than if they found out about it after they had signed him to a new contract. Pineda always had a lot of potential but was erratic at best.
Hey Chris Drogaris, I hope it was worth passing on 3+ years of consistent controllable pitching!
Yankees #1 woooooo hoooooo!!! Go Frazier!! The untouchable Torres! You want Torres or Rutherford? Hahahahaha!!!! No chance!!!!! mike trout??? No chance i do that! I know how baseball trades work!!! No chance!!!!
How’d I do?
Lol Quintana is not a ACE it’s not like we passed on Kershaw or Scherzer get a clue before talking another clueless guy who knows nothing about baseball.
Says the guy who says Quintana is below average because his W-L record last year was only 13-12.
Remind me again who knows nothing about baseball again?
I used waaaaaaaay too much punctuation
He’s less of a fan of punctuation and more into run-on sentences and referencing THE YANKEE WAY to shut down all the HATERS
Lol looks like someone struck a nerve with you, nice job now go back to day care and shove your’e bottle in your’e mouth because no one here cares what you have to say.
hahaha!
I think you’ve upset the poor guy lol.
Give me three workhorse veteran starters around 32-34yo who don’t breakdown (David Wells, Bartolo Colon types) with two young electric arms (Severino, etc) from the system and an high powered bullpen and that is a winning formula. I know it rarely exists anymore.
This is another example why trading big positional prospects like Frazier or Rutherford for a sonny gray is an awful idea as pitchers go down too easy. Not dependable and reliable.
so, you make a point about workhorses and pitchers going down as a reason not to trade for an electric arm who would slot in at your no.1 or no.2 spot right now yet you mention Colon who pitched 377.2 innings over those 3 seasons as a type of pitcher who is a better fit. Maybe not the best pitcher to use there.
.
My point is simple:
If your one pitcher away and you have a NOW team built for a run now and years to come with solid young core but are missing that one piece then you consider dealing a few big prospects that are BLOCKED!
Example: see Boston with Christopher Sale!
If your a team that recently started to rebuild while trying to contend but your multiple, MULTIPLE pieces away you don’t deal your big prospects for a quick fix to get a starter with an injury history (Grey) or a mid rotation arm (Q) who has thrown a ton of innings.
That can set you back dramatically!
Example: see current Bronx Bombers!
The Yanks have so many obvious needs but they are also very close, maybe a year or two away.
Third? (Maybe Andujar, Starlin Castro shifts over to third, or Gleyber Torres next year)
First? (Bird or free agency Hosmer)
Another starter or two? (Free agency- Ottani or from within- Adams, Kaprielian and Sheffield some time next year)
A few solid bullpen arms? (From within-Acevedo, Heller or next year via trades?)
That’s allot of needs!
But they also have s strong core building and more big pieces coming to solidify it in next few years!
Judge, Frazier, Torres, Didi, Sanchez, Fowler, Andujar, and the fast moving Rutherford and Florial!
The Yanks will figure out in near future and the next few years who they will build with and who is tradeable .
Sorry he’s injured hate that for the kid but reality is he sucked anyways just bring up Chance Adams let the kid pitch. Pineda was always a waste ten million dollar arm ten cent head. This will not hurt the Yankees
Stay with internal options, please.
What do you think the Yankees would give up for Michael Fulmer?
Frazier, Torres and Adams?
It wouldn’t be both Torres and Frazier for Fulmer.
Here’s the trade I would make:
Yankees receive: Fulmer, Verlander, Wilson, $20-25 million
Tigers receive: OF Clint Frazier (No. 49), LHP Justus Sheffield, (No. 73), OF Blake Rutherford (No. 36)
What? That’s it? No Miggy Cabrera too? Dude….
There’s no way the Tigers would move all 3 of their pitching trade pieces for just those 3 guys.
The Yankees would be foolish to take Verlander at this point. They’re better off looking elsewhere
Chris drogaris must be a troll. Why on earth would the Tigers package their two most valuable trade chips with one of their worst?
That seems a bit much but why would the Tigers trade Fulmer at this point?
No way Detroit gets Frazier, Torres & Adams. Certainly not just for Fulmer.
I always want to see the Yankees win. However, Quintana is not an elite SP. He simply was the most attractive that was available because of age and additional years of control. I’m not even confident that the Yanks are 1 pitcher away from being competitive in the playoffs. I would not be upset if the Yanks didn’t make a huge splash that cost 2 or prospects. Certainly it would be foolish to think that some of our prospects will match the success of Severino, Judge, Sanchez, etc but I think I’d rather continue to build from within and supplement in FA. Next year’s FA class includes Darvish, Arrieta, etc who can be had for just cash.
Thank you at least someone else on here has a brain
Always play for next year that’s real smart. So when something happens by accident or pure burn out, you still have great memories of those kids in the minors. Check out how many teams top 10 players failed, but you enjoy the maybe of next year
It’s worked out so far. Judge, Sanchez, Severino, Montgomery. That’s four young pieces that have panned out thus far. They have major contracts coming off the books so they can spend money to supplement the roster.
yeah, but then again nobody was asking for those players last year. yankees weren’t contenders. Judge struck out like 50% of his at-bats last year.
Stop pretending like he’s agreeing with you.
Nobody claimed Quintana was elite. The problem is that you were claiming Quintana was average to below average because of his W-L record.
KnicksCavsFan is correct. You were not.
Yeah there was a ton of talk of Quintana being an average pitcher. He’s obviously better than that, and just hasn’t been pitching to his own standard. The problem I had with the Yankees trading for him was he wasn’t going to put the rotation over the hump. He would have been an expensive bandaid on a bullet hole.
Bird is likely done also. They can fill needs prob the cheapest with the braves. Garica and Adams for a few close to major league ready prospects. I think 1 lower end top 100 is reasonable… but I think braves fans would be happy with a couple players in their top organizational 30 in general. They could do this trade and still have the piece to get a top end pitcher if they choose too.
does cashman make a move for Gerrit cole?
I hope not. Cole is a good pitcher, don’t get me wrong, but there’s considerable injury risk with him (even more so than with some other SP). I think it would be a mistake for the Yankees to move multiple top prospects for Cole (looking at what the Cubs gave up for Quintana, it’s going to take a similar package to acquire Cole at least).
Stick a fork in the Yanks 2017 season.
Good luck replacing 3 starters next year as well.
They have the pieces to do this with ease. Relax. lol
I’m glad Quintana was already traded. He would have been too expensive. Plus with Pineda down, they would have been right back where they were with four less prospects. Bring up Chance, he’s deserved a shot at the bigs. Even if it doesn’t feel like a traditional rebuild, it’s still a rebuild, albeit a short one. They’re heading in the right direction.
I think we all need to ramp things down.
a) No prospect should ever be considered untouchable. Now, if we value a prospect to the extent that we attach an exorbitant price tag to them then that’s our risk and our prerogative,
b) The market (the names in which we’ve heard are available) are a who’s who of has beens. Not saying these guys are washed because they aren’t. But they all have issues this year. Cole has a 4.48 FIP, had one exceptional year (2015) in his still early career and he’s a Boras client which means he would be a tough resign. Gray has had injury issues and a horrible statistical 2016 season. He’s not exactly lighting it up this year. Verlander would be an interesting candidate because he has post-season pitching experience, something that no one other than Sabathia has on this team.
The truth is, these guys have value but if I’m a buyer I value them for what I see today and should realistically expect for tomorrow. I think some of you fans don’t see it that way. Thus, I’m not giving multiple highly regarded prospects with the HOPES that some of these guys will have a magical turn-around just because of a change of scenery.
If there was a Sale, Kluber, Scherzer or Greinke on the market then we can talk multiple top 100 prospects But not for Gray, Cole, etc. 1 top 50, 1 top 75-100 and a couple of guys that MIGHT be top 100 worthy in a year or two. That’s more than enough imo.
If Cubs don’t acquire Gray as well, wouldn’t mind seeing them swing a trade for Hellickson. He’s not a “sexy” name, but I think he’d be solid rounding out the rotation.
Yankees want Gray? then you need to entice A’s Billy Beane…Gray for a package including Frazier, Adams and Torres shall do the trick…
Not happening by the way Billy Beane isn’t the GM anymore getting the facts straight might help.
Beane still has the final say just like Epstein, Friedman, Sabean. They’re all “Team Presidents” but still run the show like a GM.
Dude no
Ouch
Justin Verlander just became an option. He would not require the same prospects a Sonny Gray nor what CWS got for Quintana. Forget his stats because the Tigers are psychologically spent so a trade to NYY with big lights will jump start him big time!
The Curse of Aroldis Chapman claims another!!!!
Curse of Jesus Montero would be more appropriate. After his trade from Seattle for Montero somehow he had a torn Labrum even though he passed a physical.
Try to stay relevant, this infatuation with Chapman doesn’t suit you.
ok Yankees. How about Hand, Chacin, and Myers for Torres, Sheffield and Mateo (or perhaps only 2. What do you think?
Dude really?
That’s a huge over pay. Chacin would get maybe number 30 from their farm. That’s if they’re desperate. Hand could command on of their top 8. That’s about it… Mateo makes since, but wouldn’t happen.
You might as well ask for judge as well
Shoot man
Michael “the enigma” Pineda
It’s ok Michael It’s better to be an enigma than a complete failure especially when you have excellent peripheral stats. Your K/BB ratio was always solid. I really enjoyed watching you pitch.
Your recovery from that Torn Labrum which came out of nowhere after the trade from Seattle was truly remarkable. Partually torn UCL isn’t as bad, but still bad. Interesting to see if you opt for surgery or go for the Tanaka/Ervin Santana way. Maybe the way Tanaka’s pitching this year (partially torn UCL survivor who chose not to get surgery) makes you consider surgery.
Whether it be middle of 2018 or 2019, I hope you come back to the Yankees.
No lol
Just get the surgery don’t waste time
Lol, you do realize Cashman knew about the injury prior to Quintana trade so the editor just wants to create fake trade news to debate and argue about to create more traffic to site. Pathetic!
How about this trade:
Julio Teheran, Matt Adams. Jim Johnson, Arodys Vizcaino to the Yanks
Dillion Betances, Blake Rutherford to the Braves
No thanks
Cmon guy. I’m a Yankee fan and even I know that’s a horrible trade for the Braves. And the Yanks wouldn’t trade Betances now anyway.
A bad trade for who? The Braves? Are you drunk! This trade is awful for the Yanks. Beyond Awful, lol!
I wonder what it would take in a trade to get Lance Lynn from the Cardinals?
James Andrews lose his job?
Lmao
Karma.
For? What a ridiculous comment.
I’m guessing the pine tar.
Honestly, if I’m a team like the Phillies or the White Sox (Big market team in the midst of a rebuild) I’m salivating at this. Pineda is a very solid number 3/number 4- and on this market, healthy, he would probably be coming in at around 5 years/$100 mil just based on his youth alone. He could probably be had for around 2-years/$20 mil- (2018: $5,000,000 2019: $10,000,000) and maybe a team option for 2020 worth $15,000,000 with a $5 million buyout–
He would probably take it as it would give him a safety blanket and for a big market team with very little money on the books- that’s chum change- Pretty high reward.
and before anyone comes out and tells me “No way he accepts that”– see Rays’ sign Ramos for $12.5m over two years
The Yankees are done if they can’t get a high end starter. There rotation can’t withstand the AL East. Only chance is to go get someone like Gray.