9:52am: Yahoo’s Jeff Passan tweets that the trade is at the finish line, and a deal is “imminent.” MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro reports that the Marlins are seeking a pair of quality prospects in exchange for Phelps (Twitter links). Fellow right-hander AJ Ramos is not a part of this trade and is being discussed with multiple other teams, Frisaro adds.
9:12am: MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets that the two sides are actually “fairly close” to completing a trade that would send Phelps to Seattle.
8:56am: FOX’s Ken Rosenthal also hears the two sides are talking but says there’s no match to this point, as the Marlins don’t love the Mariners’ minor league system (Twitter link).
8:48am: The two sides are indeed discussing a possible Phelps swap, Feinsand tweets. Nothing between the two sides is done just yet, as talks are apparently ongoing.
Phelps, 30, would give Seattle a setup arm that can be controlled through the 2018 season. He’s earning $4.6MM this season on the heels of a breakout 2016 campaign and has worked to an impressive 2.69 ERA with 11.1 K/9 against 4.0 BB/9 through 133 2/3 innings dating back to Opening Day 2016. Phelps also has a 46.4 percent ground-ball rate in that time, which checks in a couple of percentage points above the league average, and he’s working with a career-best 94.4 mph average fastball velocity in 2017 as well.
July 20, 1:02am: Seattle “had been working on” a scenario involving David Phelps of the Marlins, Feinsand tweets, though it’s not yet clear if he’s the player that is currently nearing a uniform swap.
July 19, 12:37am: The Mariners are closing in on a trade to pick up a relief arm, according to MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand (via Twitter). It’s unclear at this point just who could be heading to Seattle, or even whether it’s a significant trade.
With a victory today, the M’s have pulled back to .500 and are firmly in the Wild Card hunt — though the AL West is still a one-horse race. While the club arguably is most in need of rotation upgrades, rare is the team that couldn’t improve by adding another piece to the bullpen.
In Seattle’s case, the current unit has produced middle-of-the pack overall results (4.07 collective ERA), though the metrics suggest that the true performance hasn’t been quite that good overall. Closer Edwin Diaz has had his peaks and valleys, though he has been firmly on the upswing during a dominant July. Indeed, that holds true of the entire relief corps.
The youthful Diaz could be bumped into a roving role if GM Jerry Dipoto aimed big. Setup man Nick Vincent has been the team’s best reliever, but perhaps could stand to be paired with another quality late-inning arm in front of Diaz. It’s conceivable that a big lefty would make sense. Southpaws James Pazos and Marc Rzepczynski have generated good results in the earned run department, but the former has been knocked around of late and the latter has increasingly shown worrying control issues.
Or, of course, the M’s could simply be bolstering their depth with a relatively insignificant addition. Given Dipoto’s sometimes frenzied trading history, it’s anyone’s guess just what this apparently pending transaction might represent.
24TheKid
I mean I understand you guys don’t know anything yet, but as of now, there is no point in this article.
24TheKid
Just better not trade O’Neil or Neidert unless it’s for someone really good like Hand.
mrmariner
Agree 100% with you on that. Can’t go all in for the possibility of a second wc spot
24TheKid
The only way I would trade O’Neil or Neidert as Lewis is untouchable, is for a young controllable starter like Cole, Gray or Teheran that can help in the future.
jakeperrow
Bruh we don’t have a good enough farm for Cole or Gray
24TheKid
Actually we do.
jakeperrow
Definitely not. 1 current blue chip prospect in Lewis who won’t get traded. Not trading Carlson or Evan White, so basically we have O’niell who could net a fair pitcher back and Neidart who has a ceiling of a No. 2 or 3 starter in the MLB. Your crazy if you think that would bet a return for an ace like Cole after what the Cubs gave up for Quintana
24TheKid
Well I’m not looking at 1 for 1 swap, of course you would have to trade either Lewis and O’Neil, or Lewis and Neidert. And then add in some guys like Brayan Hernandez and Joe Rizzo.
stymeedone
The return for Q was light. Two A ball somebodies and two fillers.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
The Pirates would have to get a massive return to justify trading Cole right now.
myaccount
No, we definitely don’t have the farm for a controllable starter.
Twingo
We have a ton of OF depth. Giving up O’Neil wouldn’t deplete the farm. The M’s window is NOW. We have to give up value to get value. I totally trust JD to get creative and go for it. Anything can happen in a one game playoff and in a division series the Ms could absolutely win.
padresfan
Both for hand?
Shame they’re both outfielders lol
Shame no short stops
24TheKid
Well id have to check but I think we have one in Brigman that’s top 10 in our system, and Torres is 15, but I doubt either would be top 20 in Padres system.
padresfan
Top 25 consist of overall 50 or higher and there are more 50s not on the list plus recent drafties
buggywhip
So you would trade a potential everyday player or starter for a short term reliever, makes no sense
Twingo
That’s exactly what the Cubs did last year and it seemed to work out pretty well…
Little Whirl
I wouldn’t do it either, but, to be fair, Brad Hand does have two full years of team control upcoming after this season. He wouldn’t be a FA until post-2019.
Michael Chaney
The Indians traded Clint Frazier (not to mention others) for Andrew Miller, and I’m sure they’d make that trade again if they had the chance.
Jeff Todd
I mean, if Feinsand had said “Mariners are looking around at bullpen options,” I’d have just possibly noted it in a notes post. But he says there’s something nearing completion, which in industry lingo typically means we’re on the verge of a trade (hammering out final details, doing medicals) that will go down in the very near term. Figured our readers would like to be aware of that strong possibility and begin considering the potential implications.
24TheKid
I diddnt really mean no point in writing it as more info will come out, but there’s not much to get out of it as everyone knows the Mariners are going be trying to acquire a reliever.
Buddy “Bud” Hull
@24thekid With regards to your original post, that’s like one of us readers saying “24thekid only posted his response just to post a response”, which is nonsensical because who cares? You know that MLBTR serves as something of a community discussion for fans of all 30 MLB teams and all this article did was initiate the incoming information to the many readers of the site. Sure, it lacked details at first; but it gave Mariners fans like you and I something to do at midnight when all we were doing at the time was looking at MLBTR anyway. That and there’s over fifty responses now, so we can determine the post did not go unappreciated. Go M’s, and thanks MLBTR for always providing a healthy discussion.
*please be David Dhelps*
TheGreatTwigog
I liked being informed about the rumor
Cardinals17
Absolutely!!! Hear say.
Cardinals17
Or made up for just a by-line.
brockbartels
Please be Zach Britton
jakeperrow
It’s not
24TheKid
If it is, you can say by to the future.
brockbartels
Jerry D has done crazier things
jakeperrow
He couldn’t if he tried we don’t have good enough prospects
24TheKid
We have plenty, it’s just not worth trading them at this point unless it’s for a controllable young starter.
corey5kersh22
Zach britton to the dodgers right?
TheGreatTwigog
Don’t think so, verdugo and beuller r said to be untouchable by Freidman and one should be required in a Britton deal
Twingo
That would be great but it seems a bit early for Britton to be traded.
satan
Justin Wilson to the mariners
padresfan
Well they were just linked to the padres
But that was for rotation help
Phillies7459
Neshek
Bullet
Dellin Betances. possibly?
Twingo
I wish.
24TheKid
After the Yankees kid made a trade showing they are buyers?
24TheKid
Meant just, not kid, don’t know what happened.
Bullet
Well, he’s not really needed now.
MurderersRow27
I don’t think the Mariners have anything that the Yankees would trade Betances for. If they were to trade him, they’d be looking at a MLB SP, no prospects I’d have to think. Especially after that trade with the White Sox.
TheGreatTwigog
Yankees are in full buyer mode. Why would they dismantle the super-pen they just built?
MarinerHawk
The only thing that could support a Betances trade is since the Yankees just acquired Frazier, Cashman may be looking to dump some salary. Betances has a great arm but he’s definitely overpaid
MarinerHawk
Or rather, is about to hit arbitration and is IN LINE to be overpaid…
sportsfan 2
I wonder if it Arodys Vizcaíno?
realgone2
totally possible
Twingo
David Phelps
padresfan
Phelps
Wildboyz
Addison Reed
For
Max Povse
Joe Rizzo
24TheKid
That would be absolute robbery, unless the Mets system is just absolutely terrible, neither of those guys would be top 10 in their system.
Wildboyz
Reed is a FA end of season, so not going to get a haul for him. I just took a quick glance at SEA prospects, Povse is the kind of pitcher the Mets like,
Big (6’8″) inning-eaters,
Rizzo is a 3b with good contact rate and the Mets have a need there and very few prospects at the position.
Mets farm has been depleted in the last 2 years with alot of players moving to the majors. Merely speculation, just for fun.
24TheKid
If the Mets take it, I’d be more than happy.
stymeedone
Mets don’t care where they would “rank” in their system. They want prospects that should help the ML team.
abmarinerjv
Neshek would be dope! Rock em Jerry. Give them something to talk/ worry about.
gilly
in the words of judge smails…well we are waiting!
Michael Birks
Don’t sell yourself short judge you’re an incredible slouch
Ichiros
Hope we don’t give up big.
I can tolerate giving up Poogwell, Vogelbach, Martin, and Burgman for a decent reliver but not giving up more than those.
24TheKid
Well with that package we will be lucky to get back Fernando Rodney.
Twingo
Truth.
Bullet
Phelps, Nice.
ray1904
If Nick Vincent is your best reliever then you DEFINITELY need a reliever! Wow!!Nick Vincent haa!ouch!!
Dub
We should offer Atlanta Tyler O’Neill, Nick Neidert, Vogelbach, Brayan Hernandez, & Joe Rizzo for Julio Teheran (yes his era is 4.69 but he pitches great on the road & would lift perfectly behind Felix & Pax) & Arodys Vizcaino ( who could either be our setup guy or closer so Diaz could pitch whenever there is a high leverage situation). Maybe see if they’ll throw in Rex Brothers (he might have some gas left in the tank). I know 1B is blocked by Freeman & Adams but Vogelbach would give them another trade piece & I dont see Vogelbach ever becoming our everyday 1st baseman.
kahnkobra
it’s Addison Reed
Macias22
Yeah…. a reliever.. that’ll give them the push they need…
Wesux
We all know its Ichiro
usafcop
Anyone else think Dipoto looks like Kevin Bacon…..kind of like how Homer Bailey and Christian Bale look similar….lol
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I actually think he looks more like Tom Brady.
noraj9
Maybe he’s Brady’s dad.
El Duderino
He looks like Kevin Bacon and Willem Defoe had a child.
Matt Galvin
The Marlins and Padres don’t need OF’s the Mariners might besides Pitching.
swartnp7
Tony Watson
Connorsoxfan
They should really be going after 2 relievers. If I was Dipoto I would’ve just kept Montgomery. Wasn’t Vogelbach the main piece in that deal? That seems like a mistake. Some combination of Reed/Phelps/Neshek would be a good addition and another starter would be good. Not even an ace or anything just a 3/4 starter. I feel like they could make those moves and still retain their top guys like O’Niell.
sellers6
Hand and Cahill for Gamel and O’Neill
sellers6
Santiago Casilla and Sonny Gray for Gamel, Lewis, and Neidert. Who says no?
Connorsoxfan
No one. I think that trade happens.
Ichiros
Wow. It can be an offer they can’t refuse. You are a genius, my friend
MarinerHawk
Gamel?????? Gamel is freaking money. He is a professional hitter and great defender at age 25. Don’t care about the lack of pop, he’s a great 2 hole hitter. He isn’t going anywhere
sellers6
If you are going to get a guy like Gray you’re going to need to give up something good in return
MarinerHawk
It won’t be Gamel, I’ll tell ya that much. We don’t have anybody to plug in that could replace his much needed, consistent as hell, production. He’s in the hunt for a batting title!
sellers6
No one to replace him???? Heredia, O’Neill, Powell, do they not count?
24TheKid
Haniger also needs a spot as I think Heredia is a viable left fielder.
sellers6
And don’t forget leonys
the.sophisticant
meow this would be big! phelps is a baseball player that is a reliever. i say he goes back to john cheese (yankees for the lay person).
El Duderino
In fairness, the Mariners also don’t love the Mariners’ minor league system.
Monkey’s Uncle
Also in fairness, the Marlins really shouldn’t be critiquing any other team’s farm system.
FBA17
Stupid to give up anything. Mariners won’t make playoffs and will sacrifice young talent. No wonder they never win anything.
jeremytk42
You’d think people were talking about a team that’s one piece away from going to a World Series. This is a .500 team here that may make the wild card but in no way shape or form could compete for a World Series. and it’s mind boggling people actually think that……They’ll do something completely idiotic as always and give up Tyler O’Neil for some #3 starter. It’s the same sh*t year in and year out. Such an awful organization…..And this is coming from a dude who has a dog named Griffey…..
El Duderino
So… what you’re saying is you’re a Reds fan?
jeremytk42
Eight year old’s Dude….
Yamsi12
Here goes Jerry gutting another farm system.
MarinerHawk
Phelps, or someone similar; that would be cool, considering he would probably come cheap. Cash and a couple player to be named later types. I’d much rather see us spend resources on Samardija, or another starter of his caliber. O’neill, Volgebach, Peterson, Rizzo, there’s certainly several prospects that we can stand to part with. I have faith in DiPoto, he’s not going to mess with our core, and I think he has a good chance of getting a deal done that will improve the pitching.
the.sophisticant
great, now they won’t have an epic collapse, whua whua
the.sophisticant
at the finish line!
24TheKid
Just praying they arnt trading O’Neil or Neidert.