Here’s the latest from the broader beltway region:
- Some in the Orioles front office apparently see the merit in weighing at least a partial sell-off if the club’s fortunes don’t change before the trade deadline, Jon Heyman of Fan Rag writes. But that will still require the sign-off of owner Peter Angelos, who Heyman notes may not be inclined to give up on the current season. Though the O’s are still within sight of the Wild Card chase, there’s no indication at present that the team’s starting pitching woes will really improve. Then again, the organization has managed to surprise quite a bit in the recent past.
- Even if the O’s do begin marketing some pieces, Heyman says there’s no indication they’ll be willing to part with their core position players. But relievers could be fair game, he suggests, with late-inning arms Zach Britton, Brad Brach, and Mychal Givens all generating phone traffic from rival organizations. The Dodgers are one team with interest in Britton, Heyman writes, as Los Angeles looks into the possibility of adding a big-time lefty to the pen. It seems the Nationals may also be at least looking into Britton, though obviously relations between the Nats and O’s aren’t exactly sunny.
- Indeed, the long-broiling MASN television rights fees dispute between the Orioles and Nationals is still ongoing. But it did reach an important point today, as Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post notes on Twitter. A New York appellate court ruled that the proper arbitral forum for the dispute is MLB’s Revenue Sharing Definitions Committee — the same body that gave the Nats an award for past years’ rights fees that spurred the current legal battle. That ruling itself can still be appealed, of course, and even then it seems the sides could still need to go through another arbitration process (barring settlement but also possibly subject to its own appeal). While that appears to be a nice win for the Nationals, then, it’s not as if the team will suddenly gain access to the money it has long sought from the Orioles, who control the jointly owned television network.
- Meanwhile, as the Nats weigh all manner of bullpen possibilities, the team has officially announced that lefty Sammy Solis was optioned to Triple-A. He had only just been activated from a lengthy DL stint, but was hammered in four outings since his return. Presumably, the Nats will hope to work out the kinks for the power lefty over the next few weeks, but his struggles could feature prominently in the team’s thinking at the deadline.
If dodgers get Britton to add onto there already elite bullpen that would be scaryyyyy
Elite ? There’s only one guy who is elite
the dodgers probably have one of the best bullpens in all of baseball
Most bullpens have zero elite guys. It’s just an elite bullpen, as a whole, compared to most of the other 29.
@angels fan: Dodgers have the lowest ERA in baseball. What’s the Angels pitching staff look like like?
Britton is going to be costly.
Eh not to costly for a reliever , He’ll prob command from dodgers maybe verdugo bc he’s a mid season rental
Britton is controlled through 2018.
I was thinking Calhoun, Buehler, and one or two lower level prospects would make a lot of sense for Britton.
I’m an Orioles fan and I don’t think there’s any chance they give up Buehler and Calhoun for Britton.
Assuming Nats and O’s were willing to do business, what do you think would be fair/expected for Britton? Or both he and Brach? Nats are going to try their best to pick up multiple arms this month.
If Friedman is confident Britton is healthy, perhaps Verdugo or Calhoun. No way they deal Buehler or Alvarez for Britton.
Final year of arbitration, and worth noting that he hauled in $11.4M this year. Anyone who takes him on is going to pay dearly to retain him in his last year of team control.
Oh i wish it were that easy. They couldn’t ship verdugo out fast enough if he was all it took for britton
Did you not see what Chapman cost last year it’s going to be costly.
I’m going to have to agree with the comments to this post. Verdugo will most likely packaged in any trade for the Dodgers. If it were just him for Britton that would be a steal. I don’t see a scenario where Buehler gets traded. But the package will be sizeable to get Britton away from Os
Sammy Solis needs to find a new line of work outside baseball.
Because of a bad season? Yea…
Any chances that they look to trade Trumbo? With all these teams looking for a first baseman, they might get a good return for him.
Anyone who wanted Trumbo could have had him in the offseason. No one is going to take him and his contract now that he has returned to being slightly above average.] rather than leading the world in homers.
Pederson, Calhoun, Alvarez for Britton
Alvarez isn’t moving for just about anybody.
Yes he is. This past winter Alvarez wasn’t moving but his status has changed a lot.
Look up what he’s doing this year.
Alvarez was in the Futures Game, so obviously people are still high on him. Just because he’s struggling this year doesn’t mean you give up on him.
Verdugo, Calhoun and Stripling for Britton
I find all these trade scenarios laughable. Everyone said all off season the Dodgers over valued their prospects and now you think the Dodgers would give up two pieces for for Britton? Not happening, Verdugo is barely old enough to drink and you think they’d ship him out for a year plus of a set up/7th inning guy? Thank you Cubs for again driving up the price, but the Dodgers unlike the Cubs and Nationals are not only in a place to compete now, but also for the next 5-7 years. It would be nice to see them go all in a little bit, but they won’t overpay, just like they didn’t for Dozier or Forsythe. Sorry Oriole’s doubtful we’re a match for you.
Yes, but you’re also grossly under valuing how relievers have dominated playoffs in the recent past – and while the Dodgers are set up great to be in contention for many years, they will likely be looking to add relievers to enhance their chances of actually winning a world series.
Not to mention, they will also be preventing the Nats from getting that reliever – so there’s a little added value there.
Cubs didn’t need Chapman.
That was a mistake.
You don’t think that Chicago is set up to compete for the next 5-7 years?
Calhoun is a DH, Stripling is a 4A pitcher and Verdugo is a solid prospect with no ML experience. Britton, if healthy, would fill a highly valued role as a left-handed compliment to Kenley and could conceivably make the difference between another disappointing playoff run and a WS ring. You have to take risks if you want to play. Nothing laughable at all about that scenario if it means two seasons of the best bullpen in the majors.
Verdugo and Alvarez + more is laughable. Puig and Sheffield and maybe some minor prospect would make more sense being where you’re at with Davis and trumbo makes more sense cause you’re not full rebuild. The dodgers won’t overpay. Everyone saw what the Indians won the trade deadline last year but without a ws they’re the biggest losers, and in three years Cubs fans may regret the chapman deal. The dodgers are run to well to allow an all in like the phillies to happen and Britton for Verdugo and Alverez plus more is exactly that.
I think that might be an overpay even. Puig isn’t hitting for a high average but he’s supplying decent power and has been great in the field. I agree that the deals people are suggesting with Alvarez, Verdugo, and more are ridiculous. It’s all dictated by market, but if the price gets that high, I don’t think that’s a market the Dodgers will be in.
If not an overpay, a move that doesn’t necessarily make sense for a team leading a division.
Pederson is more valuable than Britton by himself.
orioles need to trade britton at this deadline. The windows closed
Brach makes a ton of sense for a team like Arizona that doesn’t have the prospects to get a guy like Britton or Robertson. He’s still controlled through next year too so it’s not an all-in move that hurts their future
don’t lump Britton and Robertson together one is a top 5 reliver the other is a closer that is paid market rate. I’d put Robertson closer to brach in value than Britton.
Dodgers need to be aggressive on britton. Nats getting him would present a big roadblock in october.
What’s the attraction for Britton? He sure looks to be off his game this season. Walk rate up, SO rate down, and a truly ugly WHIP.
He’s barely even pitched this year. He probably is just readjusting.
Fair enough, but how do we know if he is returning to form and his injury issues are in the past?
It’s a small sample size to even try to judge.
Its a matter of health. Not performance
I’m an O’s fan and for Britton I would want Alvarez and Verdugo .
Alvarez and Verdugo for Britton is laughable
I’m an O’s fan and I agree. But one of those pieces along with a couple of B level prospects is not an unreasonable return to expect.
I think it’s an overpay but looking at the Chapman deal from last year and it’s not ridiculous. maybe Alvarez and Diaz or verdugo avd Sheffield ir a few list guys
I am an Orioles fan and for Britton I would want Alvarez Verdugo .
Thats a stretch. Baltimore should toss in brach or someone.
Sorry for all the double posting. I dont know what is going on.
If Britton is back to normal in a couple weeks, I say the Dodgers need to go hard after Britton. I’d say Calhoun as the starting point, No way we touch Alvarez, Bueller or Verdugo for a relief piece.
Still shocked that Buck Showalter didn’t use Britton in the ALCS in the final innings……..had his best pitcher watch.
If he shows he is back to normal then you won’t get him unless you put an elite offer out here look what Yankees got for Chapman and Britton comes with an extra year of control.
Britton was the best closer in baseball last year and could the difference for a team like the Dodgers or the Nats. He will demand a huge return or the Orioles don’t trade him. All this prospect hugging is kind of funny especially when it comes to elite level controllable pitching.
If Britton was on par with his previous performance you are right…….but he has been injured so that hurts his value.
Britton was an absolute beast no doubt, If he is healthy I want him on the Dodgers. Prob the best out of Chapman, Andrew Miller. I’m still vexed the Dodgers had a trade for Chapman last year and pulled the offer off the table…..then the damn Yankees get an absolute haul for Chapman then end up resigning him.
Dodgers, can you please get Zach Britton without giving up Verdugo Buehler or Alvarez? Thanks in advance
Orioles should just trade the Dodgers Machado and Britton and get the minor rebuild rocking lol
The Dodgers don’t need Machado. The Dodgers infield on the left side is the best in MLB this year.
Ughhh just move Turner to second base
Move turner to 1b. bellinger plays Lf full time
I feel like trading for machado would be a waste of resources. Might as well kept the prospects in axe there’s a future injury
“A New York appellate court ruled that the proper arbitral forum for the dispute is MLB’s Revenue Sharing Definitions Committee”
The Federal courts operate on a banana republic level. This is straight corruption.
We did learn however that those ownership stakes in TV deals with networks like Comcast pay out tens of millions each year in cash to the team and that team does not pay MLB tax on that money, only the cash payments in the deal.
The Phillies have one of those stakes and they also get a huge cut of advertising revenue making their TV deal worth around $6 billion.
You’ve got it backwards. Angelos is trying to weasel out of the deal (binding arbitration before the MLB panel) that is explicitly called for in the MASN contract. He didn’t like the result, so he’s trying to rewrite the deal. As every court that has heard this case has pointed out, this is the process he agreed to in the deal. Not included in the contract at all? The “Bortz methodology” (much less Angelos’s thumb-on-the-scale interpretation).
Ironically, it’s quite possible that the panel will award the Nats a higher rights fee than the original panel. The award that Angelos is fighting is much closer to his number than to the Nats’ calculation. Further, the panel was conservative in extrapolating the RSN market, and the new panel will have actual data to use for the full five year period.
This is all internal to the MLB. Why SHOULD the Federal courts decide this? MLB created this MASN monster: it should decide the fix. Leave our tax-funded courts out of it!
“Hey Peter Angelos, we’ll give you X, Y and Z if you allow the Washington Nationals to move into your market.”
“OK, deal.”
“OK, now that the Nationals are there, we are only going to you X and Y. Tough luck.”
I don’t quite understand the MASN dispute. The Orioles gave up a LOT by ceding the DC market, Why shouldn’t they get the deal they cut to give it up?
What are you talking about? Angelos has gotten everything the contract called for including a rights fee negotiation for 2012 and every five years following that. It’s 2017, and they haven’t finished the 2012 rights fee dispute. Yes, Angelos gave up something of value in the D.C. market, but it’s not like everything the Nationals make would have flowed to the O’s.
Since 2012, the Nationals have been one of the best teams in baseball, but their rights fees are the same as when they were when they regularly losing 100 games. I honestly can’t see how there is any sympathy for Angelos, beyond MLB’s absurd territorial restrictions.
That’s the thing that many O’s fans either can’t or won’t understand. Angelos is objecting to the very process he agreed to in the deal. He doesn’t want the deal thrown out – he’s saying “the parts of the deal that are to my advantage we keep; the parts that I don’t like, the courts should rewrite that part.”
Correct.
Look I’m a Dodger fan, but can we please stop overvaluing Alvarez.
Its not over value but with urias hurt they need to hold on to or place big value on pitching
Not overvauluing Alvarez, he has all the tools…….he just needs time. Even if he doesn’t work out as a starter, his value as a top bullpen piece is easy to see
You can value pitching by understanding exactly what you have in your system. The biggest fault I find in this is attempting to pretend Alvarez is untouchable when you essentially have similar skill sets in Santana and etc. In fact there’s been some scuttlebutt that suggest Santana might be the better of the two.
When you have plus arms throughout the system Buehler, White, and a couple young arms on the rise. You want a power arm that profiles at the back end I point you to Jimenez. Pitching prospects break plain and simple, esp those possess such velocity . Alvarez isn’t close and Alvarez has major flaws which you can expect for a soon to be 21 y/old. Yes he can throw very hard and has a devastating slider when he can command it. Here’s the secret he is the exact type of risk lottery ticket that the FO would trade. Now I’m not advocating trading him for just somebody, but if you have the ability to obtain a legit high end game changing closer with some control guess what you do it. We aren’t talking about Urias who shows polish at such a young age.
yeah his value has been tanking this season he’s still a solid Prospect but I’m definitely worried
Don’t wanna see Dodgers mortgage their future but they have a tremendous farm system right now, up n down, big league team is running on all cylinders, don’t fix what’s not broken….but if u can pull off a Baez to Britton to Jansen 7th, 8th, 9th DO IT! While ur at it get O’s to throw in Brach, he will give u added luxury in a deep pen n allow them to soften others innings loads down the stretch….1988 was a long time ago….Go Dodgers!
Dodgers would be better suited trading for Hand than Britton.
I could easily see the Padres wanting Calhoun or Verdugo, White, and Oaks or May
Probably- Calhoun, White, May, and possibly Lux if the dodgers are souring on him after this year. Lux, White, and May are 2-3 years away while Dodgers keep Alvarez, Buehler, Oaks, and Stewart.
Big difference from arguably being best closer in MLB last yr w/97 mph shotput sinker to a nice lefty guy on a bad team…?
In terms of Britton or Hand….pay the O’s n enjoy the ,parade!
“Nice lefty” that is top 10 in the NL in war, xfip, and innings. But yeah clearly you should pay more for Britton who has 1 year less of team control. Not like Hand strikes out more guys or anything either.
Why you dont have a GM job in this league is beyond me LA Sam.
Also, of all sports, baseball is where being a bad team has the least effect on individuals. The padres being a bad team has 0 influence on Brad Hands abilities as a pitcher. The padres being bad doesnt make him a worse pitcher. He pitches when theyre down, have the lead, or are tied. Hes not a mop up guy like stammen.
I’m not saying he’s bad or isn’t worth it, because he’s a legit reliever, but I completely disagree. Give me a choice between Hand or a lock down closer who has done in the AL east and allows Jansen to roam or extend like he did last playoffs, and I’m going to take Britton all day long. Now the caveat to that is health. Yes Hand is a very good reliever, but I have him pegged for someone else. Britton allows one of the best relievers in the game, if not the best reliever, to become the Dodgers version of Miller.
Especially if the Dodgers have wanted to somewhat deconstruct “bullpen roles.”
The advantage to the Dodgers on Britton is his hefty salary price tag (especially next year when he could arbitrate to near Jansen-level money) is an affordable risk for few teams. Still… the risk for the Dodgers is they get to lock-and-load on this only once. Whoever they get needs to be effective right now, not maybe later.
Could you stop forcing hand down every teams throat. It’s like a broken record. Brad Hand solid reliever. I get it, anyone who reads these posts should get it. He’s no zach Britton and you need to understand that. Pitching on a losing team definitely has an effect on your performance as well. Hand isn’t pitching in high leverage situations 3-4 times a week and never has. Not to mention he pitches in Petco, although his home road splits are good. Britton shows he’s healthy and throwing the ball well next week he’s worth a hell of a lot more than Brad hand. And he’s a hell of a lot better.
Forcing hand down throat. As analogies go, that one is pretty disturbing.
Well you know if you go down the line and read any of these articles I’d say there’s a one in 3 chance you’ll see him bring up hand. So ya know gotta go strong w the analogy
Mr. Hand 4 President dude!!!
Well considering we are 2 weeks away from the trade deadline and people are talking about trading Brad Hand makes sense to see people discussing trading Brad Hand- there’s been 4+ articles of Brad Hand the last week posted here. If you don’t like Brad Hand being discussed then don’t read articles where he would come up or just take a 2 week break until after the deadline passes and he is traded. 2 weeks will give your butthurt enough time to cool.
Course Hand isn’t Zach Britton- he’s cheaper, controlled longer, and set up man not a closer, and among other things he strikes out people more than Britton, a multi-innings relief pitcher which Britton is not, and gets batters to chase pitches outside the strike zone more than britton does (5% higher rate).
Also majority of my comments about Hand have come in response to other people posting about Hand. Just keep scrolling if you’re irritated by words on a comment section.
Also, what constitutes high leverage situations? Closing? LOL there’s more to high leverage situations than just closing.
Holds? Well Hand is 12th in the entire MLB in holds- you know holds where a pitcher enters in a save situation and doesn’t give up the lead. What about inherited runners score percent? Well he is at 26.1%- you know when you enter the game and a fellow pitcher already allowed people on base? He’s 27th in inherited runners at 23 and stranded 17 of them.
Clearly he doesn’t pitch in high leverage situations when entering a game and holding the lead or stranding inherited runners. Nope.
If you are going to cherry pick when you compare Hand to Britton Hand looks awesome and he is a very good pitcher that ought to bring a nice return but the big difference is the ground ball percentage Britton is the best in baseball at it not just elite the best and that is why he is by far the most valuable reliever of the O’s make him available.
I agree on Hand over Britton…..I would go Calhoun, Brock Stewart and Oaks
Id prefer may and lux over stewart honestly. But oaks instead of white is an easily substitute.
Calhoun May Oaks works.
Right now the Orioles should focus on trading Miley, Wellington Castillo and Tillman. Its pretty safe to say Hardy and Jimenez aren’t marketable but the other names will receive much more interest in the offseason with more suitors.
The O’s really can’t buy. They just don’t have the prospect capital.
I dont see them trading tillman with how bad hes been this year
If Britton comes back and looks at all like he did last year he will easily get the most in return from any reliever on the market. Yes there are closers who are better at striking guys out even at his best but there is no one better at inducing ground balls then this guy. Insane ground ball percentage very valuable for a reliever.
Peter Angelos is becoming a black eye for the MLB
Where have you been the last 20+ years? This is nothing new.
Britton is on a perfect contract if I’m trading for a closer …… He’s expensive but I’d rather pay a closer big $ for 1.5 years then have a closer locked up for 5 years 90 mill ( prob what Britton would get on open market) because they can loose it in an instant