With the trade deadline approaching, the bottom-feeding Giants may soon have to “take some bold, big-picture steps,” writes Jerry Crasnick of ESPN.com. One potential problem for the Giants, if they end up selling, is that they might not have any players they could deal who would do much to restock their mediocre farm system, notes Crasnick. And even if they do try to move trade candidates such as Johnny Cueto and Jeff Samardzija, there are roadblocks in the way. Cueto has the ability to opt out of his contract at season’s end, of course, and neither that nor his relatively unspectacular output this year are doing his trade value any favors. Samardzija, meanwhile, has a 21-team no-trade clause, making it likely he’ll remain in San Francisco.
A look at the rest of the National League West:
- Dodgers third baseman Justin Turner, on the disabled list since May 19 on account of a hamstring strain, could rejoin the team by the end of the week, tweets Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times. Turner will begin a rehab assignment with Class-A Rancho Cucamonga tonight. As they continue to await Turner’s return, the Dodgers are likely to recall utilityman Mike Freeman from Triple-A, according to J.P. Hoornstra of the Southern California News Group. Freeman, whom Los Angeles claimed off waivers from Seattle on May 26, would join Logan Forsythe and Enrique Hernandez in giving the Turner-less Dodgers another third base-capable option.
- The Padres’ attempt to turn Christian Bethancourt into a viable pitcher probably isn’t going to pan out, observes Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune. The 25-year-old catcher/outfielder struggled mightily as a major league reliever this season before the Padres outrighted him in late April, and the experiment hasn’t gone much better in the minors. Across 10 1/3 innings with Triple-A El Paso, Bethancourt has given up 13 earned runs on 15 hits and 12 walks, with just five strikeouts. Bethancourt’s Triple-A woes have come in the notoriously hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League, leading Lin to wonder if the Padres would’ve been better off sending him to Double-A to develop.
- Like Bethancourt, Padres catcher Luis Torrens has fared poorly this season. Nevertheless, the club hasn’t considered jettisoning the Rule 5 pick, according to AJ Cassavell of MLB.com. Torrens, a former Yankees farmhand and one of an unprecedented three Rule 5 selections on the Padres’ roster, has collected a mere five hits (four singles and a double) and two walks in 41 plate appearances. Still, San Diego remains bullish on Torrens, particularly as a defender, suggests Cassavell.
- A lack of self-awareness kept Rockies right-hander Jeff Hoffman in the minors to begin the season, manager Bud Black told Nick Groke of the Denver Post. “You have to critically evaluate your performance,” Black said. “Was that a good pitch? Was that located well? Was that pitch truly where I intended it to be? Was the homer I gave up a good piece of hitting?” Hoffman seems to have improved in that aspect, as Black noted that the 24-year-old has “come a long way in a short amount of time in a lot of areas.” Ranked as Baseball America’s 27th-best prospect, Hoffman has produced spectacular results this year over 20 2/3 innings in Colorado (2.61 ERA, 11.32 K/9, .87 BB/9), and has made a case to stay in the team’s rotation even when the injured Jon Gray and Tyler Anderson return.
- Thanks to his pitch-framing skills, Diamondbacks catcher Jeff Mathis has emerged as an important offseason signing, opines Travis Sawchik of FanGraphs. The light-hitting Mathis, whom the Diamondbacks added on a two-year, $4MM deal, has been a sizable upgrade behind the plate over predecessor Welington Castillo, as Sawchik details. The change in backstops seems to be benefiting right-hander Zack Greinke, who has pitched to Mathis in all 12 of his starts this year and bounced back from a pedestrian 2016.
nailz#4life
Mathis like most back stops with long defensive track records become great managers . Remember his name
GarryHarris
The Giants true problem is their lack of position player depth. When a starter is out, its an automatic out in the lineup and an automatic error in the field. Knowing Bruce Bochy’s management style, it spells disaster for the team’s performance.
liamsfg
It doesn’t help that the pitching has been poor on a team that relies on low-scoring wins carried by great outings by the starters.
pustule bosey
Starting pitching actually hasn’t been horrible but the bullpen again this year has been horribly unreliable. The bullpen this year leading to melancon has been pretty incapable of holding a lead of 3 or less to anyone.
Phillies2017
Problem is, Giants are kind of like the 2012 Phillies right now. A lot of old guys on bad contracts under performing.
Personally, if I’m San Francisco- I’m listening on everyone not named Buster. Yup even Madbum- his contract is almost up and it would be stupid for the Giants to throw a ton of money at him.
If they can get some money off the books with Belt, Crawford, Cueto, Nunez, Melancon etc. etc.
Its not going to make you the number 1 farm system in the league but it will be an improvement and will allow flexibility in the 2018-19 offseason when legit players are free agents.
ilikebaseball 2
Doubt anyone will trade for MadBum this season considering he won’t pitch til August and everyone’s going to wait and see how he does since it was his throwing shoulder AC strain and bruised ribs on his pitching side. Could be out of wack when he gets back and the Giants would be selling low on a true ace in the game. Maybe next year if the Giants are still faltering.
pustule bosey
Not really.. pence is up next year, Cain this year span this year, Moore can be extended, so if they want they can decline it- bum has either 2 or 3 years.. I forget what- no one else is aged, belt, craw, panik, shark are all younger than 30 and Posey just turned 30. The issue isn’t what’s on the books it is the question of what is there to back anyone up or fill vacancies. Melancon should most likely go though at the deadline as well as most of the pen. There are guys there that teams looking to create depth or wanting for a piece or 2 could use like Strickland, kontos gearrin that could bring a few low level prospects.
ReverieDays
Jeff Samardzija is 32.
stephaniepetagno
There’s far more talent on that Giants team than the 2012 Phillies. The real problem is the Giants could make a case for either sticking or twisting. Traditionally, the Giants are the one team which sticks. This in turn makes them a more attractive signing destination, as veteran guys know they’ll always be given a chance to play. Less so for the rookies – as we’ve seen with Arroyo and Aaron Hill. That team could go 20-2, or it could go 9-13.
The Giants have consistently valued production and loyalty over the nebulous farm system. I don’t see them changing that. Considering that the entire infield is homegrown, and that Crawford, Arroyo and Panik were all considered stretches by certain hacks, I’m inclined to trust them on that.
The Giants could get a whole bunch in return for Samardzija, Nunez, Pence, Cueto and Melancon, but they’ve never shown the inclination to firesale.. I kind of wish they would go in that direction. Get Beede in the rotation, Shaw in left, Slater in right, AN Other in center, Hwang at third, Arroyo at super utility….
adshadbolt
Why would they trade mad bum the is under a very good contract. And Crawford has been one of the best SS in the league the past two seasons he’s had a slow start this year but so has Beyoncé ale besides buster but
adshadbolt
*Everyone else
Phillies2017
Madbum has 2 seasons of team control left meaning that right now, you’re going to get a ton for him- possible future altering. The Giants should be looking towards the future because I would imagine 2018 is probably lost as well- considering they have no prospects to bring up and they have tons of money on the books. Why would you keep Madbum through the rebuilding years when he’s your most valuable chip.
Crawford has a bit over $60 million left on his contract and he’s now 30. A defense first shortstop isn’t likely to age well. Try to get something for him now before his contract becomes a burden.
pustule bosey
FYI Crawford led the team last year in hrs and is leading this year in rbi’s so he is more than defense first. A lot of money falls off this year, I think it is around 18 for Cain, 7 for span, if cueto opts out it is somewhere around 20, not saying there isn’t still a bunch on the books after that but some other little contracts will go at the same time.
stephaniepetagno
I’m a big fan of a nice pint of Beyonce Ale. Think you are being a bit critical. Much better than Bud Lite, at any rate.
frankiegxiii
Lol
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Why are we even mentioning Jeff Samardzija? He has negative trade value. No team offered him more money than the Giants two offseasons ago and he hasn’t done anything since then to suggest that those other teams got it wrong. Giants would have to pay some of his contract and take back like a AAAA reliever to get rid of him.
I Believe We Can Win
Trade them Christian bethancourt and hope balsley can fix samardjza.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Giants would have to pay part of Samardzija’s contract
bleacherbum
Yeah not gonna happen, if there is one team who doesn’t pay players to “go away” or pay for them to play for someone else, it’s the Giants. Barry Zito was one of the worst contracts they had ever dished out and they should have cut bait after year 2 or 3 of that deal but they saw it through and he because a nice piece of the first championship team in 10′.
Same goes for Matt Cain, they have been extremely loyal to that guy over the years. They were with Lincecum after he lost his stuff, put him in the bullpen, moved him back to the rotation, over and over again to try to get him right before eventually cutting bait. They gave Romo, Casilla, Lopez and Affeldt the same long term love even though they weren’t the same players they were at the beginning of the teams successful run.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Alrighty then. Samardzija will play out the balance of his contract with the Giants.
pustule bosey
It’s a 5 year if I remember so 3 more years after this, not that long.
padreforlife
Horrendous trade by the hipster Grandal
RenoChris
Giants would be better served trading Samardjiza in the offseason if they eat a lot of money. He isn’t the ace that will get you to the playoffs, he’s an inning eater to plug into a rotation.
stephaniepetagno
And gets paid accordingly. There are far, far worse pitching contracts than Samardjiza’s.
barrybonds1994
I think you’re undercutting the guy a little bit… just threw 7.2 against the Brewers, 10 K’s and no BB. His peripherals are legit this year. Before his start today, his FIP this season was 3.14 and will go down, and his K/BB ratio is above 7. He has been dealing this year. Not to mention he consistently throws 96 mph darts deep into games. If he keeps pitching well, I can see the Astros trading for him if they’re not on his no-trade teams, and i can see the giants getting back at least 1 top 100 prospect.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
If he has been dealing this year how come his ERA is 4.29? And his track record suggests that that is pretty much par the course for him. Samardzija has always underperformed his peripherals except in 2014. Astros had the chance to pay him all that money a year and a half ago and they said “No thanks.” Base on what he’s been doing since then, I honestly don’t know why you think the Astros would suddenly decide they were wrong to pass on doing that. Only way the Giants get a top 100 prospect for Samardzija is if they eat like half his contract.
pustule bosey
He got blown up a couple of times but has been pretty rediculous this year most of the time, and consistent over his recent record
RenoChris
He’s a lot like Matt Moore, either he throws great or gets blown up. No in between.
JoeyPankake
Samardzija has 59K to 1BB since the start of May. He has actually been pitching really well lately, but he is on the Giants so he has a terrible record.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I don’t look at W/L record to gauge a SP’s trade value and neither do any of the 30 Major League GM’s.
davidcoonce74
They don’t look at ERA either. They’re looking at players on a granular level. Samardzija is probably a league-average pitcher, maybe a little better. His k rate has gone way up and his walk rate is way down. He’s allowing a 340 babip, which might have something to do with the fact that he’s allowing more fly balls this season and the Giants outfield defense is awful. He has a 3.15 FIP. He’s also had a bit of bad luck on homers. His contract isn’t crazy for a starting pitcher and he has way less miles on his arm than most pitchers his age. He’s durable. If the Giants want to move him they surely will.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
And like I said before, any trade involving Cueto would have to have a stipulation that says something to the effect of “In the event that Cueto does not opt out, the Giants will pay the acquiring team x amount of money and also receive a player-to-be-named-later from the acquiring team.
pustule bosey
Or you trade him as a rental or to an AL team that has a legit path to resigning him since he had said he prefers to pitch in the AL
dodgerfan711
Giants are in a tough spot because everyone they have is either too important to the team to be traded ( posey, bumgarner, belt, crawford) or wont get them any top prospects in return ( pence, cueto, samardzija , span). Only player they can get something for is melancon but its hard to see them trading him. If they ship melancon out then its full rebuild time
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
They aren’t getting anything for Melancon! They bought high on him and outbid everyone else. WHY would any team give up anything nice in order to pay him all that money when they could have done it 6 months without giving up any of their own players?
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
That’s not exactly true. He received a huge signing bonus, but his base salary is relatively cheap next year, 10M which is about right for final year Arb closer. It would only require a 2M cost this year. Add onto that he has an opt out after next season. His contract is really only 38/3 if he doesn’t opt out. If a team needs a top end closer that’s on the relatively cheap end compared to the new trend, he’s definitely affordable.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
The frontloaded nature of the contract might help his trade value, but opt-outs make trades way too complicated because you don’t know what you are trading for until after you trade for it.
biasisrelitive
exactly an opt-out isn’t a good thing for the team if he opts out you probably wish he hadn’t and if he doesn’t you wish he had.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Oh I understand that I was just pointing out that his contract isn’t really too much of a deterrent. That being said if you’re buying you’re doing so under the assumption that it’s a year and a half rental. If something happens well those are the assumed risks. I think you’re buying more risk in a Cueto situation.
pustule bosey
If you are the giants you need to see a cueto and a melancon trade as rental trades, maybe 1 high level guy who needs development and some filler low level guys that have some promise. Not guys that are coming up next year but the giants probably need to think 2019 or 2020, not 2018.
ReverieDays
Well, Betancourt can’t hit or pitch. Is there anything else they can try? Sell peantus maybe?
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Put him in the San Diego Chicken costume.
bleacherbum
Torrens is going to be make it through the season with the Padres because of the lack of organizational depth at the catcher position throughout the organization.
After drafting Austin Hedges the Padres didn’t prioritize grabbing a catcher in the higher rounds of the draft for a few years which left a long gap between Hedges now in the bigs and Austin Allen the pipelines best catching prospect who is down in Lake Elsinore, class A ball.
So “hiding” Torrens through a rebuild year with once a week starts and sparing use on a Major League roster will ensure that SD keeps his rights and can place him somewhere between Hedges and Allen in the system.
No lose situation for the Padres, they are going to be bad anyways why not be awful and at least have some residual value from it.
davidcoonce74
Well, they did have one of the best catchers in baseball a couple years ago and gave him away so they could spend 30 million dollars on Hector Olivera. So there’s that.
I Believe We Can Win
Austin Hedges- 2022 FA
Yasmani Grandal- 2019 FA
Grandal wasn’t going to be in the Padres long term plans anyways. There were chances he wouldn’t last long term behind the plate as his overall track record outside pitch framing is subpar and a strong chance he would price himself out of the Padres range once he became a FA.
They sold low on Grandal, but it also opened an immediate spot for Hedges to receive regular playing time who is in the padres long term plans from 2019-2022.
Not sure what Grandal would do for the padres come 2019-2022 other then fetch more prospects.for Preller.
davidcoonce74
“sold low” is a nice way to put it. They gave him away for literally nothing. Imagine the haul Grandal would fetch if you traded him this season, with the year he’s having? Especially with the lack of quality catching around the game.
bonquisha
I get that you wanna try to be positive about your team, but you have it all wrong sir.
They traded grandal for kemp, who is also under contract through 2019, just like grandal. And im sure i dont have to remind you, but the padres went into full win now mode before the 2015 season when they traded grandal for kemp. Shields, Upton, etc. 2015-2019 is 5 seasons, they both had the same amount of team control. 5 seasons has plenty of “long term plan ” written on it lol. You basically took all context out of it.
Padres lost that trade big time, dont sugarcoat it. Grandal has arguably been the 2nd best catcher in mlb since 2015
I Believe We Can Win
No 2015- 2019 is 4 seasons. Hes a free agent for the 2019 season. Hes technically under contract from 2015-2018 with him being a free agent for the 2019 season not after cause thats the 2020 season.
Also the fact they traded him in an ill fated 2015 win now mode for kemp doesnt disprove he wasnt in their long term plans. The fact they traded him means he wasnt in their long term plans. Kemp would not have been a padre past 2019 as well. Neither of them were in the long term plans. Everyone knew hedges was the catcher of the future and there were 0 questions in 2015 about hedges defensive capabilities. There were concerns about his offense.
Padres traded 4 years of grandal 2015 2016 2017 2018. Really they miss 2 years of him 2015 and 2016 given the presence of Austin Hedges in 2017 and 2018.
nypadre66
Actually, they drafter a catcher in the 2nd round the year after Hedges – Dane Phillips, who was picked 12 spots higher than Hedges. He hit well his first 3 years, made it to Lake Elsinore as a 23-year old and was released before 2015. Also drafted one in the 6th round in 2014. As for Torrens, it will be interesting to see if he’s in Lake Elsinore next year as Allen should be in San Antonio. I can’t believe he’s ready for AAA.
I Believe We Can Win
Recent Padres catchers 1st 10 rounds:
Austin Allen 4th round 2015
Zach Risedorf 6th round 2014
Dane Phillips 2nd round 2012
Brett Austin 2011- unsigned.
So theyve tried to add depth- none of it has worked out. But this year I suspect Preller to take a long look at Riley Adams. Could easily be the Padres 2nd round pick. Home grown talent.
They net Hunter Greene and Riley Adams itll be a great start to a draft for Preller
Adams is the best college catcher in this draft. He has the best combination of offensive and defensive talent, and is more advanced than any high school catcher available. He is hitting .312/.424/.564, with 13 home runs and 33 walks to 57 strikeouts this year, after a .333/.385/.417 showing in the Cape Cod League last summer. He should go in the top fifty picks, likely in the first round by a team with multiple picks.
minorleagueball.com/2017/6/4/15737400/2017-mlb-dra…
davidcoonce74
Austin Allen might still be something. Catchers usually take forever to develop because there are so many things they have to learn – catchers in college don’t call their own games, for example, so they have to spend a ton of time learning how to do that. You’re seeing it now with Hedges – the glove is way ahead of the bat. The power is nice but obviously the bb/k ratio is problematic.
The bigger issue is that he’s already caught 52 of the Padres’ first 58 games. That’s way too many for a 24-year old possible franchise player. Look at what the Royals are doing to Sal Perez – he wears down so badly in the second half every year because he never gets games off. Catching is tough. Getting into and out of a squat 200 times a night is hard on a body.
davidcoonce74
The way the Giants treat Posey is a model for how a team should develop a catcher. Obviously, Posey is in a slightly better starting position because he didn’t become a catcher until his sophomore year in college (he was a shortstop before then, even in high school). While Posey is the Giants’ most valuable player, by far, and he does play 145 games a year, Bochy always gets him 15-20 starts at first base, and gets him out of games in blowouts. And Posey’s numbers don’t have the dramatic first-half/2nd-half splits of most regular catchers.
padreforlife
Red Sox are getting mileage out of platoon of Leon/ Vacquez .282 total average and throwing runners out
giants51
Bring in some young talent.
Joe Covert
Mathis drops a lot of balls, too.