TODAY: The Reds likely won’t end up with Robert, president of baseball operations Dick Williams suggested in comments to Zach Buchanan of the Cincinnati Enquirer. Per Williams, the price is “moving beyond something that we are able to do.” While the club does indeed have interest, says its top baseball decisionmaker, “there’s a certain amount beyond which a franchise in our market just can’t afford.”
YESTERDAY: The White Sox and Cardinals are seen as the two likeliest organizations to land standout Cuban youngster Luis Robert, according to Ben Badler of Baseball America. Sources say the same to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports.
That’s not to say that other teams aren’t still involved in pursuit of the 19-year-old phenom, who will officially be eligible to sign this weekend. He will need to ink a deal by June 15th if he wishes to avoid the hard spending caps that will be instituted for the next July 2nd signing period — which seems a certainty at this point. Passan, in fact, suggests that Robert has already selected a team and will sign soon after he is eligible. Furthermore, he cites three sources in stating that the “suggested floor” when teams began submitting bids for Robert was $20MM — a sum that would be accompanied a 100 percent luxury tax.
Among the others that have been tied to Robert are the Reds, Astros, Athletics, and Padres. Neither the Nationals nor the Braves appear to be in pursuit, per Badler, despite going well over their own allocations. Those organizations have taken close looks at the intriguing prospect and have already accepted the maximum penalties for overshooting their pool allocations.
As Badler explains, the Cards are in a somewhat unique situation because of their lack of draft picks this year. (The club’s top three selections are gone due to the signing of Dexter Fowler and the Astros database access scandal.) That leaves the club with a large war chest with which to work internationally.
The White Sox, meanwhile, have not yet exceeded their 2016-17 pool, meaning they could avoid a two-year ban on $300K+ signings if they don’t get Robert. But Chicago is obviously focused on accumulating high-upside young talent that’s nearing readiness, and Robert is closer to the majors than the typical sixteen-year-old international signee. Notably, per Badler, the club hasn’t lined up deals with high-bonus talent for the ensuing signing period — perhaps suggesting that the organization is eyeing a move on Robert.
Whichever way Robert goes, Passan writes, it’ll be the end of an interesting era of major Cuban signings. For one thing, the pipeline of talent will likely hew to an earlier age, particularly if there’s a continued move to improve relations between the United States and the neighboring island nation. Combined with the new rules prohibiting teams from going past their spending limits on players under 25 years of age — even if they’d be willing to pay a 100% tax on overages — there’s little prospect for another major payday unless and until the system undergoes an unexpected change.
CompanyAssassin
I will give Mo 1 full US dollar if he can actually pull this off. Give me some hope.
Priggs89
I’ll give Hahn $2
jjghost
I heard the cardinals hacked into the white sox player database. They know exactly how much the sox are offering so they know what to beat. Only a matter of time before he signs with the cardinals.
thor would look better in red
hey wherever you can get an edge over the competition.
Priggs89
Wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. I’m sure the White Sox could get a couple draft picks out of that. I’d take it.
CompanyAssassin
Yeah its usually a win win.
1975Reds
I don’t think the cards can afford another fine for hacking
troll
it’s not hacking when a gm leaves and doesn’t change his password. it’s stupidity on the astros gm.
Outlaws12
Perfect. Hack away Cards. Just don’t get caught this time.
JFactor
Hoping Cards can pull something off
prich
If you spend 20 million on a minor leaguer, and then have to pay an extra 20 million in taxes, you could afford an actual good player when free agency comes around. Or it could put more money into player development (cardinals put a ton of money into development rather than talent and that is why they are always good.)
lesterdnightfly
They did try to pull something off, but they were caught and penalized.
thor would look better in red
but he wants them to actually pull it off this time. come on man get it together.
pplama
If this gets done for less than $50mil. and the Sox aren’t the winning bidder, I’ll be livid.
Sox have shaved $17mil. off this years payroll, will save $2.5mil in next years intl. signings, and could field a team at $70mil payroll in 2018.
They could sign Robert and still bank $ for the 2018/2019 FA class.
prich
You want to watch a 70 million dollar team for the year and then compete with Phillies, Yanks, Los Angeles, and Boston in a bidding war for stars? Sox need some people in the ball park and 2 straight last place finishes isn’t gonna influence many players to come to the Chi Sox
pplama
Sox are rebuilding. $70mil. payrolls and last place finishes are what rebuilding teams do.
prich
Yea, I’m a Phillies fan. You still need to field a team that is going to be competitive. The fans are what these teams run on.
thegreatcerealfamine
Not in the Bronx or Beantown pal!
ChiSoxCity
That doesn’t make sense. You can’t rebuild and stay competitive at the same time. Sox fans are irrational or jaded (like some other fan bases). Most of us understand the plan is to emerge as a playoff contender in 3 years, and we support it.
ChiSoxCity
Meant “Sox fans AREN’T irrational…”
bollo
Until Reinsdorfs leaves one way or another and the sox rid themselves of Williams, they will be a failure. The entire front office player development and coaching staff needs an enema!
outinleftfield
@JeffTodd, you named 4 additional organizations, the Reds, Astros, Athletics, and Padres; and then say those two have already accepted the maximum penalties for overshooting their pool allocations. Which two. I know the Padres have spent a lot of money on international free agents. Which other team were you talking about?
cxcx
Yeah I saw that, too..,must have been an editing error, like he changed one sentence but forgot to correspondingly change the adjoining one so it reads funny…standard.
bastros88
astros and the padres
Jeff Todd
Typo. Sorry.
timtim007
I think one of the tantalizing morsels that is drawing Roberts towards the Cardinals is they already have Diaz and Adolis or Adonis Garcia (never can remember which one they have, and which one plays for the Braves). An international player like Roberts feels more at ease when he is coming into an organization that already has players he can somewhat relate to and communicate with on a personal basis. Just my humble opinion.
outinleftfield
Jose Adolis.
The White Sox have several Cuban players including Abreu and Moncada. The Reds, Astros and Athletics also have several. The Padres picked up 4 in this international free agency period so far. Most teams have at least one Cuban player in their system and 21 are playing in the majors this season.
baseball-reference.com/bio/Cuba_born.shtml
baines03
You mean like Yoan Moncada and Jose Abreu?
white_sox9195
Remember White Sox have history with Cubans Minnie Minoso, Jose Abreu, Dayan Viciedo, Jose Contreras, Alexei Ramirez, El Duque Hernandez, and his friend Yoan Moncada so if were talking about advantage of having cubans playing or history with cuban players White Sox have more history then any other team !!
timtim007
My point exactly. Teams already with players he has an international bond with, if you will, has a slight advantage. What I was trying to say was that is why it is narrowed down to these two teams.
rbisingle
And you would be wrong.
PaperLions
FWIW, the Cardinals have more players from Cuba in their system than Aledmys and Jose Adolis. This year they have also already signed 3 other Cuban players: Jonatan Machado (18), Randy Arozarena (21), and Johan Oviedo (18).
I actually think is worth nothing. Robert will sign with whomever offers the most dollars.
white_sox9195
Thats also true who ever offer the most money he will sign with them but if he were to sign because of cubans playing with the team i think White Sox have the advantage because he was a close friend with Yoan Moncada.
jrolivier82
He’s also friends with Adolis Garcia that signed with St Louis this spring, honestly it’s really hard to get a bead on who has the upper hand.
aerainier
The idea that a Cuban player would sign with an organization simply because they have Cubans in the organization doesn’t hold much weight anymore, as the Astros were seen as favorites to land Lordes Gurriel last year after they had already signed his brother. He ended up in Toronto.
I think opportunity to move up quickly will have more weight on his signing than he number of fellow Cubans in an organization.
white_sox9195
He sign because of the money thats why he didnt sign with astros
aerainier
Yep, money talks. Regardless of fellow Cubans, I think money will be the biggest factor, especially considering he’s probably giving 40-50% away to agents and whoever helped him off the island, if it was a Puig type situation.
That also makes me think Houston has a shot because no state tax on his salary so he could keep upwards of 30-40% more of his money in Texas.
kidaplus
The only way the cuban thing comes into play is if the money is close.
If they’re both offers are close or the same, then how many cubans or which team has guys he’s closer friends may come into play.
lesterdnightfly
Then logically speaking, he should sign with the Dallas Mavericks. Their owner is Cuban….
leftyspecialist
Well done.
thor would look better in red
no no no he will sign with Miami bc they have an area called little Havana.
Polish Hammer
A neighborhood people avoid and those fans avoid the nearby ballpark.
aerainier
Wow. That is greatness. Well played sir.
vtadave
Please find your W here:
W
beersy
Lets go Padres, keep this rebuild rolling. It sounds like their is a really good chance of Greene falling to them at 3 now, Wright/Gore would be the consolation prize. Adding a high end pitching prospect, plus a bat like Robert would/will only help them on the road they are on.
prich
Hunter Greene is gonna blow his arm out and probably not hit majors for 4 years if he is healthy. If you want to see talent on the big stage get a college player.
outinleftfield
College players like Machado and Harper and Correa? It isn’t about college or prep, it’s about taking the best athlete available. They make it to the majors at about the same rate.
Priggs89
Eh. It’s more about taking the best athletic baseball player available. If it were all about taking the best pure athletes, Kenny Williams would be a HOF GM by now.
prich
Not even close. Compare him to Riley Pint if you like velocity
bbatardo
As much as I’d like to see the Padres sign him.. even at 20M + 20M tax that is far too much to invest in 1 player after already dropping double that on many players.
thor would look better in red
you are right. its better to play it safe and watch Myers be your star as you continue to only sell tickets when the Dodgers come to town.
Grey Suit
The way the Padres are building, I don’t really think they are going to sign any big name players. they want to go young and build within. They tried doing it the other way with guys like Kemp and Shields and got burned..
outinleftfield
I was wondering about the direction their rebuild was going. Their owner said that they were going to compete in 2019 and they won’t be able to do that with the guys they have on the 40 man right now. I think they are going to have to be pretty aggressive on the FA market this offseason, especially for starting pitching, if they are going to be much better by 2019. I think I read it on this site that they are going to only have about $30 million on the payroll for next season. I would be surprised if the MLBPA doesn’t scream bloody murder if they don’t raise that payroll up a lot. The only way to do that is sign FA or make some big trades. Signing Robert wouldn’t help with that either.
Jack0207
Biased I am but I hope the Cardinals land Robert because of the Oscar Tavares tragedy. A huge and tragic loss. Robert could help fill the void.
RedRooster
Taveras was a murderer
prich
For all you cardinal and white Sox fans: if this guy was any good there would be more than a few teams willing to pay him money. Also, these Cuban players generate many busts. This kid will be in minors for at least 2 years anyway. He will strikeout and not walk. The old phrase is that you can’t walk your way off the island for a reason.
Priggs89
Gee, thanks for letting us White Sox and Cardinals fans know that there are other teams interested and a 19 year old prospect is probably 2 years away from making it to the bigs. We had no idea.
And prospects in general generate many busts. There are also a handful that turn into really valuable players/prospects. For a rebuilding team like the White Sox that aren’t going to compete for a couple years anyways, it’s worth the risk.
prich
That’s why you draft prospects and sign low money ones. Then you don’t waste the money on a bust. Hector Olivera is a bust and so is say a prospect like Mark Appel. But not one paid 60 mil for apple.
JKB 2
Prich you dont really follow baseball too much I guess
sss847
you should probably read an article on how a bonus pool works before saying other teams are “not interested”
prich
Remember nobody will hear a thing about this kid after June. He will be 40 million dollars that will be in the minors for a long time. Comment below if you have any expectations for a guy who strikes out at a 30% clip.
kidaplus
Comment below if you want to laugh at the guy who doesn’t understand bonus pools and doubles down after getting schooled on them.
pukelit
Comment below if you want to laugh at the guy who gets off from making fun of people in the comment section of a baseball website. You must be so proud of yourself and your big boy brain. Good for you pal
insidethepark86
Prich go home and stay there.
JKB 2
Kidaplus great comment!
alexgordonbeckham
Someone clearly doesn’t know how the current (old?) international amateur spending works lol teams like the Yankees, Cubs, Red Sox, Dodgers and Giants are out because they can’t spend more than $300k on a single player currently.
thor would look better in red
Pirates, Athletics, Astros, O’s, Rockies, Cardinals, Braves, Rays, Reds, Indians, Royals. This is a list of teams that do not often send 40+ mil on Major league talent let alone prospects. Most of these teams are involved in this kid and that alone shows you how good his tools are. He is a risk with more upside than most first round picks. You never know what happens with any player if they will hit or not.
kidaplus
Oddly enough its also a list of teams that aren’t in the bonus pool penalty.
Weird how that works.
CompanyAssassin
I’m assuming your team isn’t in the mix and you’re bitter or something. You could literally say that about pretty much any talent. The White Sox and Cardinals probably have the lowest risk and commitment for a possibly high return. They both have excess cash currently, the Sox are rebuilding and the Cardinals don’t have their first few draft picks. So you might as well try, especially when pretty much every team thinks he’s a big talent.
outinleftfield
Badler had an article last season that talked about the Cuban players and what percentage of them make the majors. Can’t remember the exact number, but I know it was over 50%. Contrast that to top prospects which make the majors 20% of the time or so. Much better bet on the Cubans than even a 1st round pick. Really wish that Angelos was allowing the O’s to be competitive in the international market.
prich
They only make it to majors because they got money and teams needed to at least try them before they dumped them. I wonder how much money is spent on Dominicans, Cuban, and Venezuelans compared to amateur Americans. Probably around the same amount and there are a lot more American players than international players in the MLB.
lesterdnightfly
I hope that whoever signs Luis Robert can find him a last name.
CompanyAssassin
Just slap an o onto the end and there you go.
rocky7
Wow…here we go again…..countless millions of dollars to sign a 20 year old who may or may not actually pan out to be an average major league player let alone an outstanding major league player.
I guess it is so because Ben Badler says it is!
Spend that money on your minor league system and/or upgrading your major league talent….for every Abreu there are 3 of these guys with no US minor league experience that don’t pan out.
kidaplus
This issue has been addressed and will not be the case starting next year.
prich
Still extremely unfair for American players. I was disappointed that the owners couldn’t get a international draft.
jdgoat
Or cause teams scouted him and believe he’ll be good
Jeff Todd
There’s only so much money teams can spend through the draft. That’s why the few prospects who are able to get market-driven deals are paid so much more.
I don’t think Badler drives the hype, btw. His scouting reports show all the risks, too.
prich
Exactly. Someone understands.
bleacherbum
Don’t count Preller out, ownership backs him financially and trusts his rebuilding plan and with how crazy they have already gone internationally Robert would be the cherry on top of this year’s spending spree. They acquired a lot of solid pieces thus far but nobody like him yet, couple Robert and possibly Hunter Greene falling to them in next months draft and those could very well be the ones that finally get that franchise back to respectability.
pukelit
I love how the Phillies never go after guys like this…
Polish Hammer
And Cleveland too…
prich
I love it too. That’s why I root for them. And also note that not one international signing besides chapman had an effect on the World Series.
Priggs89
You root for a team because they never go after high priced international talent? Seems like a weird reason to be a fan of a team. To each their own I guess.
billysbballz
High priced talent is not a 16 year old with a face full of pimples. Kids that young should be signed maybe for a few million but $40 million????
barkinghumans77
Again, Luis Robert is 19.
ASapsFables
Luis Robert is 19 and has a nice complexion…
Priggs89
1) If that pimple faced 16 year old was extremely talented, then yes, he would be high priced talent.
2) That’s really not the point of the original comment at all.
prich
He isn’t 16, but no one knows how old he is anyway lol. This kid prob has no birth certificate.
kidaplus
5 of the last 8 World Series MVP’s have been international signings.
Please note that while you’re at it..
prich
Also none of them were high money signings. I like when you go out and sign these guys for 100k or less and they turn out to be good.
jdgoat
Prich has really shown how little he knows about baseball on this article
schellis 2
Reds might have had enough if they didn’t dish out millions more then they had to to a all glove no hit ss
Rule is don’t waste money on future aaa utility players
frankiegxiii
I’d like to see him go to the White Sox. Can’t wait to see how many of their top prospects turn into great players.
billysbballz
This is beyond crazy. Pay a 16 yo kid $20 mill and then pay an additional 100% tax on that $20 mill is just maddening.
This is beyond the scope of common sense. I know when the Red Sox spent 140 plus million for Yoan moncada and rusney Castillo I thought I saw it all. Not even the evil empire has put that much money into unknown commodities that young! It’s not like the kid played professional ball in Japan so you can sought of gauge his real value. This is a 16 year old kid!
So I’m guessing whichever team signs him is now everything that’s wrong with baseball and not the Dodgers, Red Sox, dare I say Yankees?
Whyamihere
It literally says he’s 19 in the article…
Priggs89
And they got 3 cheap years of one of the top 2 pitchers in baseball because of that investment in Yoan Moncada. I’d assume that’s not what they were expecting/hoping for when they signed him, but it worked out quite well for them.
Priggs89
Can we somehow add that he’s 19 to the title of the article? This is getting ridiculous.
dvmwitt
Im on the fence about the Padres signing him. Though they are handcuffed the next two years for J2 signings, I would hate for them to sign him at $20 million + and he turns into Hector Olivera. I trust Preller and Kemp though and if they see something special in him and they do indeed sign him, our system will be just that much deeper.
Our system is flush with young pitching. Our hitting/fielding is a bit thin. I hope we stockpile hitting in the draft after the first round.
prich
Think hunter Greene could be a hitter then? TBH I think it would be cool to see back to back high schoolers go in the top 3 picks.
CardinalsNation1
The Cardinals are spending money thanks to that 20 year 20 billion dollar tv contract set to kick in next year.