Here’s the latest out of the National League West:
- The Padres are “open-minded” to quite a bit of experimentation in the way they deploy their roster in 2017, as manager Andy Green explains and Bryce Miller of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports. Beyond the quirk of carrying Christian Bethancourt as a catcher, outfielder, and relief pitcher, San Diego will look for other ways of taking advantage of creativity. “I think a lot of teams come in with more established options at different spots,” Green explains. “We’re going to be open-minded to see who rises up and wins the respective jobs and be opportunistic to put guys in positions to succeed that might run different than what other clubs would do.” Just how far the Pads go in tweaking baseball convention remains to be seen; while it won’t likely make much of a difference in their postseason outlook, some new approaches could conceivably pave the way for future change in San Diego as well as other organizations.
- The Dodgers are seeing signs of life from lefty Hyun-Jin Ryu, with pitching coach Rick Honeycutt telling reporters — including Bill Plunkett of the Orange County Register (links to Twitter) — that the Korean hurler is ready to throw in a game situation. It’s unclear whether that’ll be a sim game or a Cactus League contest, but it seems the former is more likely. “No negatives to me,” Honeycutt said of Ryu’s showing thus far. “It’s been impressive.” The 29-year-old is looking to return to the excellent form he showed during his first two years with the Dodgers. He has missed all of the past two seasons (except for one ill-fated outing last year) due to persistent shoulder problems.
- While many have panned the Rockies’ large expenditure on Ian Desmond, in large part due to the fact that he’s slated to shift from being an up-the-middle defender to a first baseman, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports identifies some reasons to support the move. Manager Bud Black says the team was focused less on position than it was the desire to “go get a baseball player who is good.” While Desmond was targeted as a first baseman from the get-go, per the report, GM Jeff Bridich notes that “there is absolutely the potential” he’ll change positions in the future. And Desmond himself is embracing the challenge of yet another new position much as he did his move to the outfield last year, saying he likes the Rockies’ “creativity to use my athleticism.” Of course, those statements don’t necessarily counteract the core criticisms of the deal, though they do suggest that the team is looking to be creative and flexible in building out a roster — now and in the future.
BlueSkyLA
A healthy Ryu would be a great problem to have. They could dispense with either or both of McCarthy and Kazmir and still have plenty of depth.
tommyLA
I think kaz is pretty dispensable now. I think they were really hoping he would exercise that opt out. Kersh,hill,ryu,Urias,kaz.. that’s a lot of lefties.. McCarthy needs to be in there and I think kaz is the odd man in there. And I didn’t even mention Maeda.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
The lefty thing doesn’t matter all that much because come mid season if Urias is up to speed. You’ll have three completely different looks. You shouldn’t even classify Kershaw as a lefty. So yes Kaz and McCarthy are expandable. The issue is they have to prove they are healthy and stay healthy or else they are immovable. Ryu would be an added bonus. That being said it should be fun to watch Urias and Stewart take the next step along with Maeda.
BlueSkyLA
Could be, but merit should be the determining factor and probably will be. Kazmir supposedly got himself into bad mechanical habits to compensate for his hurt and is working them out now. McCarthy seemed to be physically healthy at the end, but got a bad case of the yips. Ideally Maeda is shifted down the rotation where they can give him a day off here and there. But then he reportedly bulked up over the winter and might have enough muscle mass to pitch on the MLB timeline now. Lots of stops on this wheel of fortune.
Dretorade
McCarthy straight up just cant throw anymore. I hope it’s better this year, but I felt like it was 50 cent pitching last year at times watching him. I understand coming off Tommy john and all that
BlueSkyLA
On his first two comeback starts McCarthy was really good, surprisingly sharp. Then his control went south for no apparent reason. He’ll be an interesting character to watch in spring training.
davidcoonce74
Ryu has missed, what, two seasons now? I can’t honestly think of any pitcher who has missed two straight seasons to shoulder injury who has come back effectively.
Circlechange4321
Hate to be Debbie here but I just don’t see him coming back. I’d bet his career is over, for 2 years now. ( i hope I’m wrong)
padreforlife
Ryu could be diff in winning elusive pennant Dodgers been chasing for almost 30 years. Ryu was good pitcher in post season.
blueblood1217
Great news on Ryu. Having him back and healthy would be a huge plus for The Dodgers
TheGreatTwigog
When I saw Desmond I half expected it to say something like “Desmond to take reps at catcher.”
hamelin4mvp
Best hitting catcher in the league. Pitch framing and pass balls….maybe juuuuust a bit of work to do
biasisrelitive
not better than Posey
hamelin4mvp
Coors Field
drstevenhorn
Desmond certainly doesn’t earn rave reviews for his defense at catcher.
My bad.
IACub
It’s back…
GareBear
This comment gets rave reviews
lesterdnightfly
No, he’s no Pete O’Brien.
But then, who is?
Doc Halladay
No he is no Pete O’Brien but only Pete O’Brien can be Pete O’Brien but even Pete O’Brien is hardly Pete O’Brien.
pat09
Ryu just can’t stay healthy. He is not gonna make it to june
arcadia Ldogg
Ryu is the Dodgers new Darren Dreifort.
trolleydodger
But Dreifort didn’t have 2 good years to
decline from. But hey, he could Hit!
al080991
You forgot Wood BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
Not forgotten but probably a swingman for now.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
The Padres will be trying everything to get people to come to the games this season. Though I must say, I’m kind of excited to see how Bethancourt fares on the mound.
YourDaddy
He has been hitting 97-98 on the radar in camp. If he can command that fastball and learn at least one other pitch he should be able to eat some of the many garbage innings we will have this year.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I”ve pitched the idea of the Pirates getting McCarthy or (preferably) Kazmir if their young pitchers look iffy in spring training. They’ve been linked to each of these guys whenever they are free agents or on the trade block.
But maybe Ryu would be the way to go.
He could eat some innings and room with Kang on the road. He knows how to say “you’ve had too many” in Korean.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
It’s interesting though, because McCarthy could technically fit the Pirates extremely well. He does have a conditional club option in 19 for pennies, 5M, which was triggered due to his DL time. He’s healthy. He seems like a prime Pirates rec project.
Wolf Hoffmann
Does it really matter how you utilize terrible players? The Padres are excited about using a terrible catcher / OF as a terrible relief pitcher.
trolleydodger
Well put!
Wish I’d said that.
lesterdnightfly
“Wish I’d said that.”
“–You will, Oscar, you will…..”
thebighurt619
Actually, it does matter.
This isnt the first nor last time teams have tried making light hitting catchers into pitchers.
Kenley Jansen, Chris Hatcher, Troy Percival, Jason Motte, come to mind as catchers turned pitcher.
Who knows how this experiment will work but on a bad team if they catch lighning in a bottle and he produces decent results how is that not a win for the padres? Relief pitching isnt cheap now a days in trades and FA contracts.
lowtalker1
Beth isn’t exactly a light highing catcher he has pop hits for an ok avg… his catching skills on the other hand…
YourDaddy
I think Green is full of it. The 1st 4 slots in the rotation are locked up. We signed those 4 guys to start. They may only be able to go 5 innings, but if we had anyone better than them then Preller would not have signed them. No team runs out a lesser pitcher just because the starter has gone 3 innings and 2 of those guys get better in innings 4-6. There is a competition only for the #5 starter. I expect that Friedrich will be that starter only because Cosart and Clemens have no options and only have 2 pitches and have much better velocity. They are better suited to the pen. Perdomo has options so he starts the season in El Paso.
1B is locked up. 2B is locked up at least to start the season. 3B is locked up. RF is locked up. LF is locked up. Catcher is locked up. The only questions or battles for position players are whether Margot is sent down to start the season and whether Sardinas or Aybar is the opening day SS.
The bench is Bethancourt, Aybar or Sardinas, Jankowski, Spangenberg and Torrens. The only way Cordoba makes the team is if Aybar doesn’t.
Saying anything else is just blowing smoke.
davidcoonce74
Tandem starters are actually a great idea, especially for a team like the 2017 Padres, who are going to lose 110 games. But the rosters just aren’t big enough. LaRussa tried this in 1993 and abandoned it after about two weeks. Padres didn’t sign a bunch of lousy starters on make-good contracts only to change their role on the team. This kind of system would involve tremendous buy-in from the pitchers involved and I doubt a mercurial guy like Jered Weaver would buy into this kind of plan, for example.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
… probably accurate
Renfroe should still spend the first month in AAA tho. His 2023 season is more valuable than 1 month of him in a season where the Padres would be best suited shooting for the #1 overall pick.
Better prospects that filled bigger needs than him have been sent down to protect their service time in the past. And on teams that actually had a chance of contending.
davidcoonce74
I’m not too high on Renfroe. His walk rate was lower than any other corner outfielder in baseball last year. Oh, to clarify, that’s Renfroe’s walk rate in AAA.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
While I agree that Renfroe’s walk rate is pretty concerning, he’s shown the ability to make adjustments at every level so far. Even if he turns into a Chris Davis-type player, he still has the potential to be a good contributor for future Padres teams. I agree that he and Margot should start the season down in AAA though, for service time reasons.
CNichols
While it makes sense in terms of their service clocks, I don’t see how they can logistically make both start in AAA with the current state of their roster. They literally have no one else to put out there. Margot, Renfroe, Jank, Dickerson and Franchy Cordero are the only OFs on the 40 man. It would be ridiculous to DFA someone in order to make room so Nick Buss or Colin Cowgill can be the opening day starter. Renfore is 25, might as well just let him get to work in the bigs at this point.
thebighurt619
Jankowski dickerson bethancourt. There you go your starting OF for the 1st month.
davidcoonce74
Exactly. Renfroe isn’t going to gain anything by playing in the high altitude of El Paso anymore, and he needs some serious work at the ML level lest he just turn into the next Jeff Francouer. Which, sadly, seems like his upside at this point.
disgruntledreader 2
Ayer your uninformed and petulant rant last week, are you really claiming now that Green’s words might not be accurate? Or is it that you know more than Green and you’re just taking time out from your busy day employed in the game to share your wisdom with us?
lesterdnightfly
Ouchie. All the sting of a lobbed cotton ball.
chesteraarthur
What is ryu’s velo at? Wasn’t he stuck in like the mid 80s?
trolleydodger
Well, at least Brett Anderson is gone!
That guy injured his hand fielding a bunt–after 4 months on the DL he
went right back- –there ought a’
be contract clauses for such frailty.
[BTW–Can GMs be put on the DL for spasms
of judgement?]
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
That wasn’t really a spasm of judgement as maybe Kaz and McCarthy might have been hindsight 20/20. I’m still shocked he took the QO. I truly like many people thought he’d look to get multiple years especially after throwing well and showing health.
mistermanly
According to David Vassegh, Ryu threw an impressive 2 innings today and Puig, who faced him, looked foolish in his ab against him.
amendoza1539
It doesn’t take much to make Puig look foolish though
SixFlagsMagicPadres
With all the creative antics the Padres are concocting for the upcoming season, they should put a creative spin on their “rebuilding year” label while they’re at it. They could call it The Quest for the First Pick.
padreforlife
That’s Padre fan claim to fame now tanking theme will be heard next 7 months. The uninformed Padre fan and they’re are many can’t let that go. Grandal was picked 14th round and others can be had but Padre fan puts on Pom Poms and cheers them to 1st pick
Circlechange4321
The shoulder surgeries just don’t seem to hold up, they said the same thing last season. “He’s almost ready, looking like a return in May” or something like that .
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Huh? This doesn’t make sense at all. Shoulder surgery is a 18-24 month process. It not as, somewhat,simple as just replacing a ligament. So his injuries last year were caused from essentially being sensitive to pain/ adjustments to his mechanics that led to elbow injury. This is different, everything was cleaned out and he’s cleared of the rehab period, but we may not recognize this until next year. Shoulder injuries are tricky, but if he’s getting full extension and repeatable arm action it’s more than encouraging.
davidcoonce74
Yeah, but I’m trying to think of players who have come back strong as starting pitchers after shoulder surgeries. The only name that pops into my mind is Anibal Sanchez, and even he dropped off after a couple years. The names that are much more prominent to me are Mark Prior, Brandon Webb, Andy Ashby, Mark Mulder, Jesse Crain, Matt Clement, Kris Benson. None of them ever returned after shoulder surgery.
Bartolo Colon elected not to have surgery but missed five seasons in the middle of his career to his shoulder woes. Pedro Martinez came back from shoulder surgery but he was a shell of his former self.. Shoulders are tricky. They end careers.
ronnsnow
Bethancourt does not get rave reviews at catcher, outfield, or as a reliever
SamFuldsFive
Neither do your played out memes.
bravesfan1998
Desmond ain’t even that good ha
padreforlife
Padres becoming circus act