With “no movement” in talks between the Orioles and slugger Mark Trumbo, writes Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com, it is “becoming less likely” that the sides will line up on a new deal. There’s still some ongoing interest, he notes, but the sides haven’t made progress since their original talks halted.
Earlier in the offseason, there was reason to believe that Trumbo was destined to reprise his role as a corner outfielder and DH in Baltimore. But the O’s have reportedly pulled the four-year offer, reportedly worth over $50MM, that was dangled early in December.
It seems there’s little momentum at this point toward a reunion. Executive VP of baseball operations Dan Duquette suggested recently that the club has its eye on less costly alternatives. And the addition of lefty-hitting corner outfielder Seth Smith perhaps reduces the urgency of adding a bat — though, certainly, it doesn’t preclude a move on Trumbo or another righty.
Trumbo remains the top-rated player from MLBTR’s top 50 free agent list who has yet to sign. His leverage surely isn’t helped by the ongoing presence on the open market of fellow right-handed sluggers Mike Napoli and Chris Carter, each of whom also profiles best in a first base/DH role, along with a variety of powerful lefties such as Brandon Moss, Adam Lind, and Pedro Alvarez.
patborders92
What is he worth now? 3 years Max, maybe $45M?
seamaholic 2
Not even. I think what teams are willing to do on a three year deal with the draft pick attached is probably closer to $30m. And he’ll end up either taking a one year, $15-17m pillow, or waiting until June to get something closer to what you’re suggesting.
alexgordonbeckham
I’d offer him 1 year, $15 mill and tell him take it or leave it.
jaysfan77
I figure if Matt Holliday got one year and 13 million, with no draft pick comp, even though he’s a bit older with some injury concerns, he’s a superior career
.300 hitter with a career .380 obp, and better defense, so I can’t see him getting much more than that.
wazzuhawk
What he’s worth is $10M AAV as a one dimensional slugger. What he will get is an overpay for multiple tears.
lesterdnightfly
Are those tears of frustration, or tendon/ligament tears?
l3ade12
I guess the A’ s aren’t that high on him otherwise they’d throw 3 years $45 million at the guy. They had the money for EE. He might have been an exception.
A'sfaninUK
His price might go way lower than that. He might be had for 2/36.
Remember this is a guy who was pretty much traded straight up for a bad backup C one year ago. His value isn’t elite nor should he get paid like he is.
arc89
With a pick attached to his signing he will get no where close to anything above $15 million a year or even a 1 year deal. To many players over stated their market value.
JoeyPankake
He is going to end up signing for less than was offered at first, just like EE. Players with limited skill sets need to take what is given and be happy.
jaysfan77
Pretty much everybody except Cespedes
A'sfaninUK
I’m hoping the A’s grab Trumbo, Bautista and Carter and make a homer-riffic 2017 beer league lineup!
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Now, that would be exciting!!!!!!
patborders92
Imagine the three of them come up in a row with the bases loaded, back to back to back strikeouts!
bbell
And the A’s can trade for jay Bruce too!
mike156
The market has reset itself, and Trumbo needs to adjust to it. Orioles would rather have the pick, unless Trumbo comes very cheap.
dimitriinla
I bet he’s wishing he’d signed much earlier in the off-season.
mike156
A lot of sluggers might say the same
FOmeOLS
Trumbo would have been successful if the fool’s in Bmore hadn’t insisted that he was really and truly a right fielder.
If he’s signed as a pure DH, he should do fine, but a pure DH isn’t worth the money Trumbo is demanding.
I hope he ends up anywhere but Baltimore, and the Orioles sign Alvarez on another one year deal.
B-Strong
A pure DH is worth that kind of money if they produce. David Ortiz was worth every cent as a pure DH. The problem is that power hitters who can hit home runs but cant get on base otherwise and strike out a lot tend to make up a lot of the DH roles and tend to be thought of as a pure DH.
Kayrall
Very much this. The DH is a tool AL teams use to hide sub-optimal players, in this case the typical “When I swing really hard at every pitch the ball sometimes goes out of the park, therefore I must be a power hitter.”
EndinStealth
A one year deal in Colorado wouldn’t be a bad fit. He could play first, Desmond to the OF and trade Blackmon for a little pitching.
hojostache
It’s a bad deal for COL though…I believe they have #11 draft pick, which they would lose for only 1 year of Trumbo. COL only makes sense if it is for 3 years and a lower AAV.
Dock_Elvis
I think they already punted the #11 for Ian Desmond…so why not go after Trumbo?
MB923
As Red_Line pointed out, they already lost that pick for signing Ian Desmond.
Travis’ Wood
People who said Edwin misread the market are gonna be shocked once Trumbo is left on the scrap heap… I wouldn’t give up a draft pick for this bum unless I got him for free. If he was offered 4/$50 he’s an idiot not to have taken it. At least Edwin had a realistic chance of topping that Jays offer. Have fun taking a one year dra or waiting till June Trumbo….
txtgab
Poor Trumbo always liked the guy. But the perception of value is changing. I also have a strong feeling that DD wants to get the pick back now that the Gallardo deal has become a complete train wreck (not that it wasn’t but now Gallardo can’t return to form with the Orioles and recoup value). Dan gave up a first rounder for 1 injury plagued terrible pitching season, and 4th outfielder in Smith who will get around 350-450 PA. He is holding Trumbo hostage for that pick back.
imnak
Why the vitriol when it comes to Trumbo? He’s just a guy trying to maximize his earnings like everyone else.
terry g
I agree. He’s just trying to get what the market will bear and what he thinks he’s worth. Just because he doesn’t sign with Baltimore straight up doesn’t mean suddenly he’s a bargain or won’t get a deal.
Dock_Elvis
I agree…but if he could have gotten that 4/50 from Baltimore he should have taken it…that was a solid offer for a guy who had only been ok before 2016. League power itself is up. Probably not many teams that believe he’d duplicate last season in their parks. This was a guy that was traded for Steve Clevenger not long ago.
lesterdnightfly
Dexter Fowler was traded for Dan Straily and Luis Valbuena.
Did that event set the market for Dex this year?
Or did Jake Arrieta’s trade for spare parts set the market for him this year?
Dock_Elvis
No…but we’re also talking about 3 seperate scenarios….Trumbo has some holes. He’s basically only increased his hrs…as has the league. Arrieta was a project…Fowler was injured some. I think you can take to the bank they project better overall…and thats what the market is saying right now. Im not sure anyone believes he’s really that much greater of a hitter than he’s ever been….and teams don’t seem to want to line up to lock him up. My mention of Clevenger is only to point out what even the Orioles thought of him not long ago….and Im not sure he’s viewed as a lock now. Hes competing for a contract with guys that can probably match him statwise on lesser terms. Chris Carter comes with zero draft pick compensation I believe. All these guys are taking tumble. Bringing up Fowler or Arrieta is creating a strawman. Put Trumbo back in Seattle and Im guessing he isn’t much better than his career avgs. I believe teams are viewing his 2016 as an outlier.
orangeoctober 2
I’d kind of rather the Orioles not sign him unless it was on a cheap 1-2 year deal and he was willing to DH basically full time. It’s best to explore some alternatives to Trumbo though, and I’m glad it’s the direction they are heading in. Where it goes remains to be seen, but hopefully it ends up being for the best. It was awesome watching him hit homers last season, but he tailed off big time in the second half and his defense took away a lot of his positive offensive value. After the last two seasons, I’m ready to see someone in RF everyday at OPACY who is at least average with the glove.
jhockenberry14
Its doesn’t matter he’s good!
gorav114
The return of the draft pick is just to important to lose, especially when the alternatives like Napoli are cheaper. I loved having Trumbo and wish he could return but I don’t want my team hamstrung by a one dimensional player. Though we were all wrong on letting Cruz walk, it’s a different time different market. The Os made a very competitive offer to Trumbo and IMO he made a mistake not accepting. The comp pick rules also change next season adding even more value to the pick.