Aroldis Chapman and the Yankees have agreed on a five-year deal worth $86MM, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal writes (Twitter links). Chapman will receive an $11MM signing bonus and $15MM per season, FanRag’s Jon Heyman tweets. He can opt out of the contract after three years, and he has a full no-trade clause through the first three years of the deal and a limited no-trade clause for the last two. He also cannot be traded to a West Coast-based team, ESPN’s Marly Rivera tweets. Since the Yankees traded Chapman last season, he was not extended a qualifying offer and thus will not cost the Yankees a draft pick. Chapman is a client of Magnus Sports.
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Chapman’s enormous $86MM guarantee destroys the previous record for the largest contract ever given to a free agent relief pitcher, topping Mark Melancon’s recent deal with the Giants by a remarkable $24MM. The $17.2MM average annual value of Chapman’s deal also easily tops the previous high for a relief pitcher, set by Melancon ($15.5MM). Chapman’s deal is also the second largest for a free agent this winter, behind only Yoenis Cespedes’ $110MM pact.
Still, the dollar figures of Chapman’s contract aren’t surprising — it had already been reported that Chapman had received a $92MM deal, a number that hardly seemed surprising given his talent. (It’s possible he elected to take a deal with a slightly smaller guarantee due to the opt-out.) We here at MLBTR predicted Chapman would head back to the Yankees on a $90MM contract. The 28-year-old Chapman has a well-earned reputation as the game’s most dominating relief pitcher, piling up strikeout after strikeout with ridiculous three-digit heat from the left side, as well as a slider that frequently touches 90 MPH. In his seven-year career in the big leagues, Chapman has struck out 636 batters just in 377 innings for an absurd 15.2 K/9, with a brilliant 2.08 lifetime ERA.
The Yankees and Marlins had each made five-year offers to Chapman, whose decision had turned into a linchpin of each team’s Winter Meetings activity. The Marlins had also been connected to Kenley Jansen, the other elite closer remaining, who will now likely head to Miami or back to the Dodgers.
The Marlins were, in fact, the runners-up to acquire Chapman, Rivera confirms, but Chapman says he wanted to return to the Yankees organization. “Every player dreams of being a Yankee, and if they don’t it’s because they never got the chance,” he says.
In the end, Chapman opted to return to the Yankees, for whom he posted a 2.01 ERA, 12.6 K/9, 2.3 BB/9 and 20 saves in 31 1/3 brilliant innings before heading to the Cubs in a trade last summer. Chapman, Andrew Miller and Dellin Betances had combined to form the back end of what had been a devastating Yankees bullpen. Miller, of course, has moved on, but Chapman appears set to join Betances yet again in what should be one of the game’s best late-inning combos, with Chapman closing and Betances pitching in a setup role.
The Yankees spent the last half of the 2016 season retooling, shipping out Chapman, Miller, Carlos Beltran and Ivan Nova while attempting to transition from a veteran team to a much more youthful one. The 2017 Yankees will also be without veterans Brian McCann (who was traded to the Astros) and Mark Teixeira (who has retired). With the additions of Chapman and Matt Holliday, however, the Yankees have plainly announced their intention to compete in 2017, and of course there will also be the expectation that Chapman can help well beyond that. In fact, the Yankees specifically targeted DH and closer as areas to upgrade because young players would not be blocked at those positions, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets.
Chapman does come with significant baggage — he was suspended for 30 games at the beginning of the 2016 season due to violation of the league’s domestic violence policy. In October 2015, he allegedly choked his girlfriend, then went to his garage and fired his handgun eight times.
His contract also raises questions about how well he’ll likely perform over its duration. Long-term contracts for relievers infamously frequently turn out poorly. Still, Chapman is such a unique talent that it seems unwise to judge him based on the past troubles of significantly lesser pitchers. Also, the recent successes of pitchers like Chapman and Miller, as well as the 2014-15 Royals bullpen, demonstrate the impact terrific relievers can have on contending teams. Chapman’s new deal will only cover his age-29 through age-33 seasons, and if he can stay healthy, it’s easy to imagine him having success throughout its duration.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
Kolukonu
Welcome back, Chappy.
xabial
YESSSSSSSSSS
xabial
This made my early weekend. I believe another team offered $92 million too but he signed with the Yankees for less because he loved playing for them (before his trade to the Cubs) and appreciates they took a chance on him when his value was at an all time low due to Domestic Abuse allegations (which were later dropped) and unknown pending suspension about to be imposed by the league (30 games which he gladly accepted, taking responsibly for his actions and move forward, and to his credit did his part to minimize his of the field distractions for the New York Yankees after they acquired him in addition to his spectacular performance as closer. As with all pitchers injury is a concern BUT I believe he is a freak of nature who will continue to age well. He’s only 28 years old so a a five year deal would take him through his age 29-33 seasons, assuming he doesn’t opt out (To put it into perspective, Melancon was given $62 million for his age 32-35 seasons with an Opt out after year 2 )
yankeefan81
I’m not a huge Brian Cashman fan I generally think he got credit for winning with teams that stick Michael built, but I must say he has done a fantastic job over the last year. Restocking the farm system and then months later re-signing one of the major pieces he traded away to restock set farm system job well done cash job well done the boss would be proud
JT19
I’m not even a Yankee fan and I completely agree with what you said about why he resigned. Mostly everyone knows that he loved playing in New York and the fact that the Yankees were still willing to take a chance on Chapman despite the domestic violence issue hanging over his head (whereas the Dodgers decided to back off when the issues came out) is probably why he resigned. As long as the money and term was relatively close, he was going to sign back with the Yankees.
YankeeNinja
This. All of this. Absolutely brilliant.
chesteraarthur
he didn’t necessarily get less. The money may have been smaller, but he received an opt out after 3 and a full no trade. Those have value.
jh8913
Glad to have him back
ccremer2
Yankees- 2019 World Series Champions
toptekjon
Let’s make that 2018-2022, 2024-2026.
Dynasty!
I can dream, can’t I?
unsaturatedmatz
New 3-Headed Monster has been formed that could be just as good as the old one: Luis Severino, Dellin Betances, Aroldis Chapman. Severino has been lights out as a multi-inning reliever. Now, they have two guys who can go multiple innings, and a lights out closer. Hopefully they don’t try to put Severino back into the rotation, because his splits are incredibly drastically differing when he starts vs. relieves, and there are big-league ready arms (i.e. Jordan Montgomery, Chance Adams, Luis Cessa, Dietrich Enns, Brian Mitchell) who deserve a shot to start, especially if they could potentially have their Big 3 now. If 5 years of Chapman is worth $86 mil, then Severino should stay in the pen, because he was a top tier reliever this season. They’ve made the mistake with Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain of trying to put them back into the rotation before, so hopefully Brian Cashman has learned.
YankeeNinja
Don’t forget about Clippard.
alby
Listen, I am a die-hard Yankee fan… but I don’t love this Chapman signing. It’s a ton of money for a team to spend on a closer who don’t have the starting rotation to get to that closer.. or the run support to justify using a closer. I absolutely love what Cashman is doing in terms of the youth movement, but if this plan pans out, the Yankees won’t be a serious contender for another 2 or 3 seasons, once these starters and position players mature and adapt. Will Chapman still be effective in 3 years? The guy has built his career on throwing 103 mph fastballs. If he loses just a bit of speed off of that fastball with age, then he becomes your average relief pitcher.
Does a lights out closer do anything right now for a team with a lackluster rotation, underachieving players at 3b and CF who we are stuck with for this year, and young, talented players filling out the rest of the field, but which will probably not come into their own for a few years. The young players’ maturation will likely correspond to Chapman’s arm burning out- even a little, but enough to turn his fastball from lethal to hittable.
I’d rather continue to develop the young starters and position players, let Betances close for a year or two, and then, in 2019, 2020, go spend that $$$ on a lights out closer. It’s not like the 2017 Yankees are just a closer away from winning it all, and unfortunately, Chapman’s style of pitching won’t be as lights out a few years down the road.
matthewan
Wow
jaybrandon
I refreshed this page when this was posted “2s ago.” Also, that’s a big domino.
a37H
Back to the Yankees it is
NYY22
Let’s go!!!!
bronxbombers
Happy days
mvpetro
Nice.
JFactor
That’s not 92…
MB923
I’ll take it. Glad they didn’t do 6 years/$100 mil .
JFactor
Of course, 92 could have been for 6 years, which is a lower aav
a1544
WOOOOOOOO
partyatnapolis
bet they wish they still had miller to go with him and betances
a1544
Nah they got gingy down in AAA for him
jonathanc09
Great news.!!
braves fan 138
The Cuban Missile Crisis is back, haha the Yankees are going to be scary good in 2 years
CubsFanForLife
This made me legitimately lol. Well done, good sir!
ccater40
Why are you laughing lol they seriously are going to be very good soon lot of young talent.
Sportfeen69
He mad cause he didn’t sign with the scrub ass cubs
JT19
I’m going to assume by your name that you’re just a troll, but in case you’re an ignorant fan, are you talking about the same “scrub cubs” that just won the World Series?
cubsfn07
Your comment makes no sense. Cubs didn’t attempt to resign him. And they just won the World Series…doesn’t seem like scrubs to me.
mutebychoice
I think he was laughing about the name you used, “Cuban Missile Crisis” is indeed a new one that I haven’t heard and a very solid sports nickname. I’d put it up there with the Bash Brothers and Killer B’s but that’s just my opinion.
Doyers23
Scully has been calling Puig that since day one, after his first homer in his debut. “The Cuban missile has finally landed!”
Mikel Grady
That’s what they said after rajai Davis at bat.
ekrog
He was known as the Cuban Missile in Cincinnati for years.
Thronson5
Called! The Yankees are sitting on top of the world right now! They got those prospects for him in the trade to the Cubs and now he’s back. Crazy lol
Thronson5
Anyone want to guess where Jansen goes? My guess is still the Marlins although I hope he goes back to LA.
24TheKid
I also hope he goes to LA but I think he will go to Miami.
Thronson5
24TheKid..lets cross our fingers, cross our toes and say our prayers lol. I really can’t imagine not having Jansen. I do think Miami will end up giving in and getting him though. I don’t know if the Dodgers will pay that much money on him though. Only positive out of Miami getting him is that we get that pick but they can keep the pick. We aren’t nearly as good without that guy. If they do not get him I hope they can make a trade for another good closer.
gmenfan
LA wants that pick too badly. Jansen to Miami. LA signs Holland. Nats trade for Colome.
liamsfg
LA wouldn’t lose a pick if they re-sign their own player to whom they offered the QO.
I just think the debt thing may hold them back from spending that kind of money on Jansen when they’re supposed to be cutting back.
JFactor
Or Nats
Thronson5
Can’t count the Nats out. I don’t see them getting him, I think it’s between Miami and LA but I guess we never know. I couldn’t put my phone down all day checking on Jansen and Chapman hoping these deals would get done so I am happy Chapman signed because I feel like Jansen should sign soon after and the anxiety can finally go away lol.
Sam66mvp
I’ll take the Cubs side here. They got a World Series and aren’t out $86 million. While I liked Torres and wish him well, he was blocked at every position with the Cubs.
Thronson5
Shawn..I’m not saying the Cubs didn’t get their money’s worth in the trade. It has nothing to do with the Cubs. They got a solid closer today. I’m just saying that the Yankees made out pretty darn good to get those prospects and then get him back.
Djones246890
Exactly. The Cubs gave up nothing (Torres is blocked at his position by a young Cubs All-Star), they used Chapman to win the World Series, have $86 million more in their bank account from not signing Chapman, and picked up a closer (Wade Davis) who is just as good as Chapman, and is a world champion.
KB R.
Prospect’s’? They got Torres, a mediocre reliever in Warren, and McKinney who is a failing prospect. Oh, and the great Rashad Crawford.
Thronson5
Oh my bad, KB! Sounds to me like you don’t think that the Yankees got anything in return for Chapman, they got something. It wasn’t nothing! And they got him back. Not sure how you can sit here and act like they didn’t make out in this deal. Doesn’t matter who they got. They got something and they got him back and that is pretty darn good!
arock3388
There is no Yankees vs Cubs – Yankees took gleybar off Cubs hands and reunited with chapman. 27-1 in championships everyone in Chicago needs to calm down
kgcubs
Aloha arock- well said. My father is a long time Yankees fan (going back to their hey-day in the 50’s. He has been upset with them (more so the management) of late but I am sure he is happy this past 5-6months because their FO did great in the trades of Miller and Chapman to the Indians/Cubs for rentals and yes to get Chapman back is amazing. I do hope that Chapman can learn to pitch more than one inning, like Mariano could. As a Cub fan I was not happy with some of Maddon’s decisions in the last two games of the WS but in spite of this the team rallied and the Cubs won. I liked both Miller and Chapman, really wanted Miller to end up on the Cubs because he can go more than an inning if need be. Well, if the Yankees are in the hunt next year and need a starter, Maybe Cashman will call Theo and say “hey, we will give you back Torres for Arrieta!” Just kidding. Take care now. Mahalo!
JT19
Who mentioned anything about Yankees vs Cubs? And the only people who keep bringing up the 27 world championships the Yankees won are the Yankee fans who think anyone else cares and have nothing else to talk about. Outside of the 2000 WS and that one year (was it 2009?) where A-Rod (who you all hate now) and Matsui carried the team to the World Series, the Yankees have been floating in being average since the turn of the century.
liamsfg
The Yankee fans aren’t the only ones who respect legacy. Don’t get ahead of yourself and show some respect to the game of Baseball.
Theresabrewing
I believe 1907 and 1908 count too. Lol
Theresabrewing
Now it’s closer….. 27-3.
JKB 2
Arock everyone in Chicago is just fine. Thanks for asking. And as for your 27 championships who cares? The majority of those were won in the old days when winning the pennant was simply winning the division. So they dominated an 8 and maybe ten team division which got them into the world series without having to win any playoff rounds. Thus they had a 50:50 shot immediately to win the world series many times and did. Get over yourself. How many have you won since the new playoff formats?
Djones246890
The Cubs have 3 World Series championships.
Djones246890
Great point. Winning the World Series back then was like basically just beating 9 other teams out.
Theresabrewing
First, I believe the Cubs were playing the same time as the Yankees against 9-10 teams, right? Invalid point. I’m by no means a Yankee fan, but come on, man. You’ve got to respect it. Also back then because there was only 9-10 teams in each league you had to have the best record in the entire league to make the World Series. There were no wild cards. It was tougher than it is now. That’s for sure. Look at the ratios and tell me I’m wrong. 1/10 (then), compared to 5/15 or 1/3 (now). Well what’s tougher?
TribeTown
Crazy what you can do with bottomless cash pits. Cashman must be a genius!
Theresabrewing
I could have sworn the Brewers were going to swoop in and nab Chapman after trading Thornburg.
Surprisingly a Bucks Fan
I would of hated that move
EndinStealth
Sarcasm?
Theresabrewing
Yes
BarrelMan
Interesting notion, but Brewers have no business anywhere near top closers.
theo2016
17.2 aav for Chapman is totally fine for a team with a payroll like the Yankees.
Howard-NY13
Great bullpen now
ScottyB7733
Yeah really worked out well for them last year too…
pd14athletics
Well it certainly wasn’t their problem….
arock3388
Worked out great, moron. Got top prospect in return and gave nothing up! How is it a bad deal? Money?? Ha grow up
stinkfinger
True, you got a top prospect, but you didn’t make the playoffs. Saying you gave up nothing? You gave up a shot at the post-season. Maybe Betances doesn’t blow a couple of saves in Sept., his ERA jumped a full run in Sept alone. Maybe all those close games, in Aug/Sept would have turned out in favor of NYY if Chapman was closing and Betances was used earlier. Maybe having Chapman might have helped. But hey, you got him back and some prospects. Hopefully you can get into the playoffs now.
cubbyblue16
Torres and Chapman. If the cubbies hadn’t won it ALL I would be more pissed.
Priggs89
Rightfully so. Thankfully it worked out though.
MB923
Same here.
KB R.
Don’t fall in love with Torres just yet. He has yet to play past single A ball and people are acting like he’s the next Corey Seager or something. In 501 single A at bats this year he hit a whopping .265 so I’d say he’s hardly a can’t miss prospect. I’m sure after all the crazy hype built up around him this year he shoots up the “top 100” boards and is like a top 10 prospect in MLB pre-2017. Sorry, a .265 hitter in single A doesn’t make my jaw hit the floor. McKinney put up even worse numbers in his first full season at double A this year and he still has no power and no speed. As time rolls on I am more and more confident the Cubs didn’t give up much for Chapman…….. in about 2-3 years when Torres makes his debut we’ll see……… Cubs should have about 2 more rings by then so my caring level will likely be at an all time “who gives a s***” level
TheMichigan
McKinney and Torres are both very regarded prospects. So what if he hit .265 in single A? He still has time to grow as a hitter and as a player.
Ditto with McKinney, for some prospects you need to look past their statistics.
Priggs89
McKinney sucks. He was overrated when he went to the Cubs and then became even more overrated when he got into the Cubs system.
Torres deserves the benefit of the doubt though.
bleedcubbieblue
Well put KB. IMO Warren is a joke of a pitcher. Torres won’t hit MLB pitching with a Single A ball average like that but the glove will play. McKinney if he makes it to AAA will be a lifetime AAAA player. Crawford won’t make it past AA. The Cubs won the World Series by giving up a glove that had no chance of making it to Clark and Addison and three warm bodies. I say it was worth it.
bleedcubbieblue
Fly the W
Dutty21
You do realize Torres is 20 and was one of the youngest players in high A ball. Not to mention did u not see what he did in the AFL or do u not wanna see that since your upset the Cubs let him go
Priggs89
First, where the heck are these stats coming from? He hit .270 in 478 at bats last year in A+ ball. He also had a .354 OBP and .421 SLG. Keep in mind he’s only 19 years old and a SS.
At ages 19 and 20, Anthony Rizzo combined for a whopping .278/.357/.442 slash line in 364 A+ at bats.
At age 19, Addison Russell had a slash line of .275/.377/.508 in 504 A+ at bats.
At age 21, Dexter Fowler had a slash line of .273/.397/.367 in 229 A+ at bats.
At ages 19 and 20, Javier Baez combined for a slash line of .256/.319/.507 in 379 A+ at bats.
At age 22, Willson Contreras slashed .242/.320/.359 in 281 A+ at bats.
Please tell me again how he “won’t hit MLB pitching with a Single A ball average like that.” If he was still with the Cubs, you’d be all over him, probably calling into 670 trying to claim he’s better than Moncada once the Sox got him. Quit being such a homer.
scheps23
Cubs fans win 1 WS in 108 years and think they’re the mid to late 90’s Yankees…..
themed
Yeah they lost 108 times in a row now win one and think they are geniuses. The cubs are not as good without Fowler and Chapman. Plus the Chapman deal will haunt them for years and years to come.
JT19
Of course they’re not as good without Fowler and Chapman, but they still have a potential dynasty team set up with Kris Bryant as the leader (who is lightyears better than anyone on the Yankees). And the Chapman deal will not haunt them. Chapman helped them win the World Series, which was exactly what they wanted and needed him to do. Its a win/win for the Yankees and Cubs.
JKB 2
How is the Chapman deal going to haunt the Cubs for years moron? The idea is to win championships. They did. But you suggest they should have passed on the chance and keep Torres and try to win one with him down the road years later? You are not exactly a genius obviously
scheps23
you’re the trolliest of all trolls KB. Nobody is ripping the Cubs they’re just praising New York. It’s just one of those times where a trade legitimately worked out for both sides. Cubs got what they wanted and the Yankees got young guys that have a shot to be great (I trust everything experts write about him over you, sorry).
Its also a rare thing in today’s sports to see a team deal someone and immediately sign him 4 months later and have their cake and eat it too. If you don’t like it, stay off the message boards because nobody wants to hear your negative opinion on everything.
JT19
I feel like KB is just that delusional Cubs fan who just recently started proclaiming his love for the team and since the team just won the World Series, is still hanging on cloud nine believing that any team, and anyone on those teams, should just roll into a ball and let the Cubs win it all again.
chesteraarthur
It’s incredibly annoying. I’m sure, if he was even paying attention to the cubs during the rebuild, he was ripping the front office for how they rebuilt.
mikeyank55
Hey KB. Enjoy the season watching Mets baseball with a fragile pitching staff and a manger who knows how to burn through talent and bury their careers in the DL.
Howard-NY13
Three headed monster
Chapman betances clippard
Howard-NY13
Three headed monster
Chapman betances and clippard
nicdore33
Clippard… keep it easy
Hiro
Clippard was the best relief pitcher ever since he came to the Yankees. Extremely underrated.
jakem59
Clippard had a 4.06 FIP in 25 innings after coming to New York. I think you’re overrating him.
JFactor
Sarcasm? Cause he was 11th in reliever FIP in the pen last year.
jimttu
86 for a closer, wow
Howard-NY13
Didn’t mean to post that twice haha
qgoat
They had a 3 headed monster for most of last season and it got them absolutely no where. In fact, they were forced to sell, lol. New York still needs a lot of help around the diamond to be taken seriously TBH.
rcbaseball16
Yankees are stupid. They don’t need closer they need hitters
dcmartin
Lol. Good bullpen for what offense?
Howard-NY13
U guys Cubs fans?
JT19
Cubs fans aren’t upset? They knew very likely at the beginning of the offseason that Chapman was likely gone. Yeah Chapman just went back to the team that traded him, but the Cubs won the World Series (thanks in large part to Chapman) so that trade will always go down as a win for the Cubs.
koz16
I wonder if he turned down more money from the Nats or Marlins to play for the Yankees again. BTW, why would any top player sign with the Marlins unless they liked humidity and mojitos? They always talk big, sign players to big contracts, then trade them. This goes back to the Huizenga days. You just know they’re going to unload Stanton when the big money kicks in.
JFactor
I’m wondering if either team offered 6/92 and he took a little less in total contract for the better aav and to go back to New York
Funny, you wouldn’t think a Yankee would go to Chicago, win a ring, go back to Chicago to show pinstripe players what a ring looks like
chesteraarthur
no state income tax
Howard-NY13
Cuz clearly u jealous
iBleeedBlue
He got himself a ring, hope one is enough for him.
mike156
That’s just crazy money. And the Yankees still can’t hit. But this is probably more about 2018 than 2017. Amazing what the market will bear.
Howard-NY13
Yankees are set
Gardner LF
Ellsbury CF
Sanchez C
Holiday DH
Castro 2B
Bird 1B
Gregorious SS
Headley 3B
Judge RF
Howard-NY13
Clippard came to NYY and had an era that was amazing that I think was under 2 and came with a 4.5 and ended with it in the 3s then betances is an all star and now we have Chapman and there you have the three headed monster
JFactor
Clippard had a 4.05 FIP as a Yankee last year
His last two years have been pretty rough.
Home runs and walks going the wrong direction
jakem59
Clippard had a 4.06 FIP in 25 innings after coming to New York. I think you’re overrating him.
JT19
A “three headed monster” (not that I agree with that statement) is useless when Tanaka is basically the only guy who will be able to get the ball to that “monster”.
Catch tha Taste
Looks good enough for 4th in the AL East
McGlynnandjuice
Hey don’t count out the rays, haha at least they have decent starting pitching
KB R.
What a weak lineup. Do they even have a rotation around Tanaka yet? But hey….. they got Betances and Chapman.
DeadliestCatch
LOL ah westcoastryan is eating some humble pie right now LOL. Said all along hed get 16-18 mill and ryan said hed get way more LOL.
5 years 86 mill is right between 16-18.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Actually I believe you said he would be an idiot to not extend with the Cubs for like $65m and he did not sign with the Cubs, nor did he sign for that small of an overall guarantee so take a seat.
DeadliestCatch
Actually I said 12-14 with 40-60% guarantees to push the contract to 16-18 mill total as a conservative estimate of how much hed get yearly. Which 4 years at 16 mill is 64 million…….which what do you know 4 years 65 is about the same as 5 years 86 mill.
Hows that humble pie tasting ryan LOL.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Chapman is still making way more money by waiting out free agency than he would have if he had done what you suggested.
You tell me. You’re the one who said Chapman wasn’t going to get $15m guaranteed per year (he got $17.2m AAV).
DeadliestCatch
Yeah wayyy more money LOL.
Couple million, 2-4million, for strike outs saves, innings etc, milestones thatd hed reach anyways but to save them some money incase of injury hes really making more lol. Only way hed make more is if he gets injured otherwise the contract I suggested vs this one are identical in earnings.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
He’s making way more money because of the extra year. AAV isn’t everything to a player. The total guarantee matters much more. That extra year and getting all that money GUARANTEED as opposed to only if he stays healthy makes the contract Chapman got EONS more valuable to him than the one you said he would be an idiot not to take.
I am in awe at your sheer ignorance LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
DeadliestCatch
Actually i said a team would be stupid to give him $15 mill a season outright 12-14 with milestones to push the contract would of been better structure. The actual amount hed wind up getting was the same witho the way i structured. And 17.2 annually for a person who wont see more than 50 inmings is asisne.
Nice try ryan.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Here are your exact words.
“Cubs give him around 5 years, 60-70 million (12-14 a year) with 40-60% in guarantees he’d be stupid to not sign cause hes not getting 15 mill or more in the off season especially if the yankees dont trade him and QO him.”
Notice how you said he’s not getting $15m or more in the offseason. Well he did.
#getsmacked
DeadliestCatch
LOLOLOLOL.oh so he got an extra year LOLOLOL i saw 4 years he got 5. I said 4 so hed get 1 more pay day by the time he was at FA again. Hes 28 and will he 29 by feb that means hes 33 by the time the contract is up. Him hitting it a year earlier would allow for one more pay day. Oh the ignorance LOLOLOLOL the things that go over your head is hilarious ryan.
DeadliestCatch
Notice how i said 12-14 with 40-60 incentices which push the contract to 16-18 mill also in that sente ce. LOL can you read? Apparently not.
#readingisimportant #readingisntyourstrongsuit
#eathumblepie
#learnhowcontractswork
#lovehowyouignorebeingwrongonotherthreads xD
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
That 1 more payday won’t necessarily come. If Chapman’s velocity goes down (which isn’t past reality) then no one will want him. That extra year is huge for him.
You can keep trying to argue with me until 2017 and it won’t change that I am SCHOOLING you with the cold, hard facts!
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
If I’m Chapman I’d rather have that money guaranteed than in incentives and he got it guaranteed. And anyone reading this thread can tell who is truly the one who doesn’t know how to read or understand how contracts work. Stop crying because I’ve embarrassed you. Here’s your pacifier.
DeadliestCatch
He throws 99-100 that velocity drops down to 95-97 range hes still valuable as a reliever and easily gets 1 more pay day. Hed seriously have to drop down to 90-o2 to have that happen and hes not losing nearly 10mph on his fb. If you think hes gonna lose 10 mph over 5 years where have you been. Name one pither that lost that significant of an amount ever. 95-97 is still effective fastball that many relivers and closers employ.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
I don’t think that will happen but there’s still no reason for him to risk it and take 4 years if he can get 5 years.
JT19
As a third party in this argument, I’m convinced you didn’t even read what @TheWestCoastRyan was even saying. And 4/65 is $21 million less than 5/86 and is not “about the same.” Would you rather sign for 4/65 or 5/86?
bleedcubbieblue
He got 17 mil because the Yankees jumped and over spent for his services. Afraid the Marlins would give a better deal.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Perhaps. But the chance of that happening with next to no downside is exactly why Chapman would have been foolish to take an extension from the Cubs.
bleedcubbieblue
At 95-97 his stuff can be tagged because there is no movement on his pitches. Even at 101-104 he still got squared up. Just ask Raji Davis.
KB R.
His average fastball is for his career to date has been about 99 MPH. Some years he averaged 100 MPH. That said if he just loses 3-4 MPH on that fastball he is pretty much right with the other guys who are considered hard throwers in the 96-97 MPH range. While that’s still fast it makes him WAY more hittable. I mean Hector Rondon who gets no love from my Cubs for some reason sits around 96 MPH as an example. If he falls to 96-97 (very possible after 7 years already of averaging 99-100) I am willing to bet that K rate takes a hit and he gets hit a lot harder. I view Chapman more as a thrower than a pitcher so that lost velocity can really screw with him. To say he relies on his fastball for his success is an understatement. He throws his fastball 81% of the time. ML hitters can tee off on 96-97 MPH heat. He’ll either have to start mixing his pitches more or gain more control over his fastball to remain as effective as he has been and shrink that 4.1BB/9 rate for his career.
I said this earlier in other threads and message boards. If he drops to 96-97 MPH I see the possibility of him becoming no better than Carlos Marmol….. if you remember him. He’ll have to start throwing that slider way more which he has 0 control over….. much like Marmol. Then batters will set up for his fastball and fastball alone and a 96-97 MPH fastball is a LOT easier to hit than a 100 MPH fastball. Who knows….. maybe he throws 100 for forever. Maybe he loses velocity but actually develops into a good PITCHER and not just a thrower. Bottom line is, I’m glad he’s not coming back to Chicago. I was unimpressed with him during his brief stint here and was disgusted with his postseason performance in each series from the NLDS to the World Series in which he almost blew game completely…… by getting teed up by Rajai friggin Davis who only hits HRs seemingly when there is a full moon and the wind is blowing out (read as he NEVER hits HRs…… he has 55 in an 11 year career).
Kudos to the Yankees though. Chapman is a name and was hyped up to make a ton of money this offseason. They actually got him for less than what most were projecting……. which is RARE for the Yankees who if they do anything well it is OVERPAY for players (see Ellsbury as an example). All I’m saying is if/when he starts to lose velocity I have a feeling he’ll get beat up. If that happens $17.2M AAV is pretty expensive. There are no signs of it happening any time soon, so enjoy NY……. but be aware. Chapman’s been throwing 100 MPH for 7 years straight now (had 2009 off…… busy floating over on a refrigerator that year from Cuba). How much longer can that arm hold up to that kind of stress? Injury is another concern, but since there is no sign of injury it is an unfounded worry at this time. I’m just guessing here, and I am no doctor, but I assume throwing a ball 99-100MPH for 6-7 months out of the year for 7 years straight probably isn’t great for the shoulder or elbow…… just saying.
JT19
Hmm yes, I’m sure you’re really disgusted that he basically won the World Series for the Cubs (along with Jon Lester). No Chapman on that team (and let’s assume no Miller since the Cubs weren’t willing to pony up for him) and the Cubs probably don’t win the World Series. Yes he gave up the home run to Rajai Davis because of poor location, but blame Joe Maddon to some degree for putting Chapman in with a comfortable lead in Game 5 (or was it 6?) Either way, Cubs probably don’t win the World Series without Chapman (unless they had acquired another shutdown closer at the trade deadline).
Math&Baseball
As a 4th party- about the same was annual value and 4/65 and 5/86 are about the same annual value. 16.25 for 4/65 and 17.2 5/86.
Also depends how you look at it.
He gets 5/86 but if he heads into FA at 33 turning 34,35,36 teams may not give him a long term deal for much money annually. At 33 he’d probably be looking at 2 year deal say in the 20 mill range, adjusting for way contracts are trending thats $40 more million
But 4/65 lets him hit FA earlier and he could squeeze out 1 more long term team say 4 year deal at 19 million thats an extra 76 million
So, 5 year deal and 2 year deal or 4 years 4 years he gets 7 years in one and 8 in the other.
Money wise $40+$86 is less than $65+$76 $126 mill vs 141 mill.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
All the people who said that Chapman should/would extend with the Cubs have got some ‘splainin’ to do…
Sam66mvp
I never heard any of that. Everyone knew what he wanted and the Cubs were never in on it.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Go look at the threads from when the Cubs were trying to trade for him. Tons of comments saying that the trade was pending an extension with some saying Chapman would be an idiot not to take it and at least one saying that an extension was a done deal.
KB R.
That was back in July bro. Have you been holding this comment in for 5 months? Gay.
Over the last few months there has been 0 talks of wanting him back or signing an extension. Someone might have said it would be nice to have him back or something along those lines, but with what he made known as to what he wanted I think for the most part most Cub fans realized he was gone. Only a fool would give a guy who pitches 65 inning per year that kind of money and a fool did. The usual fool. The Yankees. Then in a few years when they are still mediocre and buried under bad contracts they’ll be wondering what happened….. per usual.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Go look at the threads. Tons of comments from mouthbreathers insisting that an extension was coming or that taking one would be a good idea for Chapman. Meanwhile, those of us with brains in our heads knew that Chapman and his agent wanted to get to the open market and start a bidding war.
JT19
Agreed. I’ve seen a couple of people say they wished the Cubs would try to make a competitive offer for Chapman, but I didn’t really see anyone say he was definitely going back to the Cubs. Everyone knew, or should’ve known, that his two biggest suitors were the Yankees and Dodgers. And almost everyone said that if the money and term was close enough, he would choose the Yankees over the Dodgers.
groundruledouble
Now go get a lefty RP Dunn or Logan. Then sign. A Starter I’d like holland but he seems to be going to Pittsburgh
HeyBroItsBrad
Glad to see it.
billysbballz
Cool.
Yanks will compete and have a nice young nucleus. Red Sox appears to be best team in AL on paper. The Astros, Cleveland, and Texas are probably the next tier of best teams on paper. Baltimore, Toronto, Seattle, Detroit, and the Yanks are that next group and maybe the Yanks can squeak in and grab that 2nd wild card.
Toronto will take hit losing EE and Beautista and their rotation is nothing to brag about. Baltimore hasn’t done much to improve. If one of the top tier teams falter specifically Seattle then Yanks have a shot.
raltongo 3
If Cleveland can convince EE or Trumbo to join that already well-balanced and deadly lineup, then I think they easily match up equally with the Red Sox on offense, defense, and pitching (on paper). Ortiz’s presence and production in the Sox lineup will be missed more than Napoli’s in Cleveland…
Mark 20
Torontos rotation had the best ERA in the AL last year lol.
KB R.
Other than a good back end of the bullpen and a great hitting Catcher, what exactly do the Yankees have in 2018 that indicates “contender?” Tanaka in the rotation, great…….. but then who? That offense is pretty weak too. If….. IF Bird and Judge are legit it is a good lineup. If they struggle though…… yikes. Relying on veterans like Gardner, Ellsbury and Holliday????? Then Gregorious (sp?), Castro, and Headley???? Ew. haha. Those last three combine for what, a .295 OBP? That’s 1/3 of the lineup. Gardner, Ells, and Holliday are the “OBP Guys” and might combine for a .350 OBP. So 2/3 of your lineup is already only getting on base at about a .325 clip…… and that’s assuming Holliday shows signs of life again in NY. He was showing his age in 2016…… .240something BA….. .320something OBP…… yikes. If he repeats that performance, and include Sanchez, 7 of the 9 in their lineup get on base MAYBE 32.5% of the time. Throw in the bench players who generally get on base at lower clips and this team might have an OBP over .310….. MAYBE. In 2016 they had a .314 OBP good for 26th in the league. So again, they have their offensive stud in their catcher…….. lot of weight on Bird and Judge’s shoulders if you ask me. AND they’re trying to trade Gardner….. who is sadly one of the better hitters in their lineup. There goes a .350 OBP. They already let Beltran go, that was a .344 OBP for them. I don’t know man…… they look pretty weak. And if they are actively trying to unload Gardner it seems like they are still trying to add more pieces to their makeshift rebuild. If they want to have the THOUGHT of competing they desperately need to find some pitching for that rotation. I have
#1 Tanaka
#2 Michael Pineda (nearly a 5.00 ERA in 2016)
#3 CC Sabathia (3.91 ERA and that was a bounce back performance)
#4 Chad Green (b/w 8 starts and 4 relief appearances had about a 4.75 ERA and a 1.40 WHIP)
#5 Luis Severino (5.80+ ERA with a 1.45 WHIP in 2016 across 11 starts and 11 relief appearances)
Severino and Green are young and could turn it around. No signs of that in 2016 though. Oh, and Green already sprained an elbow ligament….. that usually leads to great things. Pretty sure Severino also had pitching arm soreness at one point in the season which led to a DL stint also.
Bottom line is, great…… they have an awesome backend of the bullpen…… too bad their rotation sucks to give them any leads to close out. Tanaka can only start so many games. IMO judging by how insane teams are being in trades this offseason so far I think it would be wise for the yankees to shop Tanaka. Might be hard to move that Salary but I bet the Dodger might bite. Might get you Hyun-jin Ryu, Jose De Leon, and another minor leaguer. Dodgers then get a rotation of Kershaw, Tanaka, Hill, Maeda, Urias. Just a thought.
argenys h.
You are so sad. Must be that mountain out salt you’re buried under.
slider32
I think the Yanks will use that 5 spot to see if they can hit on one of their young pitchers. Cessa, Green, Mitchell, Adams, Montgomery,Enns, and Severino might get starts. The Yanks could be rotation both relief pitchers and 5th starters back and forth.
driftcat28 2
Sheesh…that was an awful lot of hate. Guess for all those negative “If’s” there’s are positive “it’s”. Guess we’ll wait and see
driftcat28 2
Positive “If’s”**
jtizzle24
Now they just need a couple starting pitchers and some offense
KingSall77
I knew he was going to go back to the Yankees. I don’t agree with paying that much for a closer but $ is never an issue.
KingSall77
*money never seems to be an issue for the Yankees lol.
cardfan2011
FINALLY I GOT ONE RIGHT IN THE CONTEST!!!!!!! haha
MB923
Lol. I think this was my first correct one too.
ivanivan
How is that genius plan by the Nationals looking about emptying your farm system for Adam Eaton and then signing an elite closer without losing a draft pick? True brilliance!
Now it’s pay Jansen a lot AND lose that pick, or settle for Greg Holland.
rivera42
YES! That’s what I’m talking about, Cashman. Welcome back, Chapman.
dheller25
The Cubs won a World Series and aren’t paying a guy who pitches an inning maybe every other game 86 million let’s calm down here the Yankees didn’t make the Cubs look stupid
halos101
17 million a year for a closer!! i’m not saying it’s bad for the yankees cause that’s just how the market is. But as a baseball fan, it’s just so interesting to see that encarnacion will get around 20 mill a year and now closers are getting close to that. Crazy!
raltongo 3
Agreed…It is difficult to wrap my head around how quickly the market price/value increases in this game. I’m a Phillies fan and we just had Hellickson accept a 17.5 million/year QO, yet only a few years ago Roy Halladay, who was arguably the best pitcher in the game at that time, was making ‘only’ 20 million/year.
I still think Rich Hill’s contract will be the most surprising/idiotic/embarrassing signing of this off-season. Good for him for scratching and clawing his way back to the top, but the Dodgers should have been able to see the writing on the wall and steer clear of a guy who, optimistically thinking, will make 25 starts over the next 3 years. Just shocking, really…
xabial
While I understand your point, I don’t think Roy Holladay’s a fair comparison. He took a pay-cut to play for the Phillies agreeing to three year $60M contract extension to facilitate the trade. At the time I remember thinking, that was a below-market contract for a pitcher of his caliber and I believe he would’ve made so much more had he hit FA. Sure enough his first year with the Phillies he led the NL in wins, IP (250.2) Complete games (9) and winning the Cy young award. That wouldn’t equivocate to a three year $60 million on the open market even in 2009
BronxBombers14
So let’s connect the dots…
Yanks trade Adam warren and Brendan Ryan for starling Castro.
Yankees trade Chapman and get warren back plus Torres.
Cubs win World Series
Yankees resign Chapman
I’m not a big Brian cashman fan, but he earned his money here. He essentially rented out warren and Chapman for half a year each yielding a return of Torres and Castro.
A win/win for both teams
MB923
Guess Chapman don’t like Cali.
jdgoat
That’s such a random thing to have in his contract. Maybe gives him leverage when/if he’s traded?
MB923
Yeah very strange indeed.
formerlyz
California has one of, if not the highest income tax percentage in the country, and considering he lives in South Florida, that would mean being traded across the country from his family
galihaaben 2
Also Holliday has a no trade specifically for Oakland. I’m not sure of the history between Holliday and Oakland, but I guess Holliday really didn’t like playing for the A’s.
formerlyz
Have you seen that ballpark? lol
dumbo
I really hope this has nothing to do with California paternity laws. Remember when Gilbert Arenas skipped a roadtrip by faking the flu to avoid being served in CA. washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/…
hittingnull
Great that we have chapman back, but we still need pitching. Tanaka/CC/Pineda/Severino/??? is a scary rotation and I don’t mean that in a good way. We had DMC last season and we were barely hovering .500.
BronxBombers14
Green, cessa, warren, mitchell.
jdgoat
Still would be mediocre
MB923
Most likely yeah but who knows. The Royals had one of the worst rotations in 2015 and won the WS. (No im not comparing these 2 teams FYI , but it isn’t always about who has the best SP)
Priggs89
Passan is saying the Marlins have a similar offer for KJ. 5 yr 80+ mil
alproof
Big deal. Bad team with a high-priced closer. Stupid.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
The way they played down the stretch last year and with reinforcements coming from a newly revitalized farm system idk if the Yankees will be a “bad team.” If they have any weak spots they can just buy the best FA available for that spot anyway.
MB923
Not as if it’s a 1 year deal
SuperSoldier31
It’s like four free prospects from the Cubs
bleedcubbieblue
Just baseball players not prospects. Only one is a prospect.
ccremer2
Yankees- 2019 World Series Chanpions
chaz
I guess terrorizing women has its perks. Since they’re both in the Big Apple, maybe he and Reyes can bond in cowardice.
AddisonStreet
Thanks for the help, Aroldis.
ivanivan
That no trade to California team part is just funny. Too many hipsters for him or something?
xabial
If I had to guess with nothing to back it up, it’s because the Dodgers annulled the trade after they agreed to acquire him from the Reds because of serous domestic abuse allegations that popped up out of nowhere right after the trade was agreed to putting his status in limbo until the Yankees agreed to acquire him in a trade with the Reds. Of course It also doesn’t help that other California teams finished 4th (Angels) 5th (Athletics) in the AL West, and 5th (Padres) in the NL West. I don’t know what he has against the Giants. They’ve won three World Series in the last 7 years lol
Luke Strong
$17.2 million a season for 5 years for a relief pitcher who is going to pitch about 60 innings all season and likely have a WAR in the 1-2 range… that seems to me like a poor allocation of resources, no matter how good he may be. They were even kind enough to throw in a 3-year no-trade agreement and an opt-out after 3 seasons, so if that lighting bolt of an arm loses some of that lightning, they’re stuck with him on a terrible contract.
The difference between an amazing closer and one from a tier down probably amounts to 1 win over the course of a season. They’d have been far better off trading for a player like Frankie Rodriguez at $6M for 1 year, or David Robertson at $25mm for 2 years.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Ninth inning, World Series game 7. Your team up by a run. Who do you want on the mound?
You may not have answered Chapman, but if you did, the Yankees have now assured not only that they are the team who gets that, but that the team they are facing is not.
Luke Strong
That’s a giant if-come for $86 mm. It’s not like we’re paying the contract, so it makes no difference to anyone here what he makes, but it uses up a considerable amount of the team’s available resources for payroll.
Wouldn’t you rather have a superstar who plays 155 games for that kind of money?
He’s a great pitcher, don’t get me wrong, but this contract is unlikely to work out well.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Pffffffffft the NTC has no bearing on this contract. If no one wanted to give Chapman that much money in the first place, no one is going to want to trade for him anyway. That’s basically a de facto no-trade clause. Now Chapman just got it in writing that they can’t trade him. If the contract ends up looking bad in a few years, it will be because of the total guarantee.
Luke Strong
I removed that bit about the NTC from my post before seeing your reply. However, I disagree… he was just traded twice in the last year…
If the Yankees aren’t going anywhere bc they have a dud team, why would they not want to move him? Now they’re stuck, for better or worse.
Closers have been the most expendable and replaceable players on most teams. Their real significant value is in the post-season, as most teams’ closers will provide a similar level of overall production over the course of 60-70 regular season innings.
Gambit1193
You let me know what SUPER star, key word, SUPER star is going to sign for 5 years 86mill.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
“If the Yankees aren’t going anywhere bc they have a dud team, why would they not want to move him?”
They would, but since the Yankees paid him more money than anyone else, no one is going to want to trade for him in the future, even without a NTC.
Priggs89
Not necessarily true… Yankees could eat some of the contract and trade him, assuming he’s still pitching very well… For all we know, other teams could’ve offered $80 million. It’s not like they paid twice as much as anyone else offered.
Priggs89
Depends. Did Joe Maddon overuse him by throwing him 2.2 innings in game 5 and 1.1 unnecessary innings in a game 6 blowout? If so, then Chapman would not be my pick.
Mikel Grady
Wade Davis
matthew1234871
I’m a huge Cubs fan but the Yankees are going to be scary team if not this year but in next few years. My only concern for the Yankees is starting pitching. But the Cubs vs Yankees be good series when I think play each other next year.
galihaaben 2
I will take this better more than the ones predicted at $92mill+. But hey, Yankees have their bullpen problem solved. Now Betances can return to his 8th inning residual duties, where he pitches his best. In addition, the Yankees also have Warren and Clippard to fill out the 6th-7th innings in anyway Girardi would like. Now its time for Cashman to make his trades to clear money for Chapman, like trading Gardner/Headley.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Oh. And this signing is a huge blow to the mouthbreathers who think that the “We can trade him and then just re-sign him” line of thinking doesn’t actually work.
Luke Strong
Sure, any team can do that… if they want to pay up.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Which they would have had to do anyway even if they hadn’t traded him.
markmc1235
I can’t believe Rex Chapmans son ended up playing for the yankees. That’s so weird how famous athletes sons end up playing different sports.
raef715
he cant jump as high as his dad though
Chefno2
Did they guarantee him duties only in a save situation because his childish ego can’t handle being a team player and coming in when the team needs him?
Once Harper goes there a clash is imminent. Those two massive dbag ego’s can’t be contained in a dugout. But money doesn’t care about substance. Typical Yankees. Fake fans of theirs around the world ignorantly unite.
Luke Strong
What are real fans?
If you really want to get technical, what exactly is anyone really cheering for? The success of the team will have zero impact on anyone’s lives outside of the organization. If the team wins, how exactly do the fans have anything to do with the player’s success other than contributing to paying them? When the team wins, it’s their win, not yours. When a player sets a record, it’s their record, no one else’s, right?.
And, to go a bit further, none of the players are from the city or state they are playing for, so they are all kind of mercenaries for contract hire. Think they truly give a crap about the fans? Probably about as much as you care about random people walking around in whatever city you live in. We are all strangers to the players.
So, really, if you’re a fan of a particular team, you’re just cheering for the logo.
sillyscully
LOL not gonna get traded to the dodgers in cali who he probably passed on the reported $92 million. He probably feels butt hurt after being denied by the Dodgers when he decided to go on his tirade and have a trade cancelled.
ivanivan
Except the Dodgers aren’t the only team he wanted trade protection from, it says every California team. There is a total of 5 in case you weren’t aware.
sillyscully
I actually live in California and I’m very aware thank you. I was pointing out the only connection he has to California is the Dodgers. No one with that kind of ego wants to play for any other team where he wouldn’t be the spotlight of millions. He wouldn’t fit in any other town besides New York or LA.
HankHollywood
Seems the hits came easy against his “fire” in the playoffs this year. It will only get easier to score on him unless he develops in other ways. Once his FB comes down to 98 or so he will be average. I’m not saying I would want him to close for my team but in my opinion he is very hittable as it is and when that 103 slows down his slider will not be nearly as effective.
Not worth the money after the next couple years if his fastball drops off, which it will.Not hating, just voicing my opinion.
ivanivan
It’s funny how some people nitpick only instances of non-success as if their bias doesn’t show at all. It’s like the people who only remember Familia’s blown saves in the PS. Either check all their playoff game logs or acknowledge that your memory is rather short.
I can see it happening but it’s not as if he’s the only one that’s at risk of not being as effective with age.
HankHollywood
He was below average, at best, in the playoffs. It’s funny tho.
EDIT- It did make for an exciting WS tho, I’ll give him that.
ivanivan
His ERA was still under 3.5 in the playoffs. That’s like middle of the pack for relievers, not below average. A lot of that also came with a heavy workload w/ multiple innings pitched in a game.
raef715
you could blame Maddon’s managing as much as Chapman for his world series performance, at least.
chesteraarthur
Your homer is showing
Luke Strong
You’re being realistic… every player breaks down little by little after they’ve reached their physical peak. It’s a matter of whether that physical peak has been reached yet or not by Chapman.
Awesome for Chapman getting paid like this, certainly a great day for him and his family. After a certain point, the money loses meaning anyways, normal people have a tough time finding ways to spend it (you can only have so much material stuff until you’re just spending for the sake of spending), so really, it just becomes a pissing contest.
zottm1
How many Saint chances will he even have with that rotation
stefanoflo
Thats funny
The Yankees get Cubs good Talent from the last trade with Chapman , he then goes and wins a world series with them. and then comes back to the Yankees and the Cubs do`nt get anything from that signing >>great business if you ask me , hell they might trade him again and get more great talent. .
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
No one is going to trade any great talent to get Chapman when they could have just signed him now without giving up any talent.
ivanivan
Teams don’t always know they are world series contenders before the season starts. What the Cubs and Indians just did obviously shows teams are willing part with highly thought of talent if they feel it’s their missing piece.
Yankees probably will have to eat some money given the salary, but you can’t say that it can’t happen if Chapman is still a top performer.
All this if Yankess are actually willing to sell off big pieces again, which might be the most unlikely scanerio. They want to be competitive every year, 2016 was just an anomoly.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
If the Yankees want to trade Chapman they will have to eat some money and take back like a AAAA reliever. No one is going to give up prospects to pay Chapman all that money when they could have just done it now without giving up prospects.
Yankees2425
Can’t trade him for 3 years and I hope they don’t have to for the life of the contract. Fans really do love him.
O's Fan_JMiller
The bar has been set for Zach Britton….. Boras will want more than Chapman…. will the O’s extend him?….. or trade him for high end major league prospects?…. Time to make a decision Dumpster Wheelin Dealin Dan Duquette
raef715
assuming he doesnt opt out, those last 2 years will hurt the Yanks a bit, but they can afford it.
nice move, getting Torres for him and getting Chapman back; gives them a 1-2 with Betances and helps the fans paying big $ a seat to feel a little better.
from the Cubs perspective, whle you gave up Torres and Soler to get Chapman for 2 months and Davis for 1 year, they have a world series title, and a great chance at this year, and while they gave up young talented players, its not like they created a gaping hole for the future in their team, with Russle/Baez still in the middle infield for years to come, and Heyward having that horrible contract for the next few years.
ucalex
They also kept Eloy, not gonna lie when I first saw the Davis trade I thought he had to be included considering what they gave up for Chapman. That was great for them to keep him, Happ and Candelario
ivanivan
A lot people seem unhappy that relievers are making this much money now, but has anybody thought of the positives?
These days you typically need high velocity stuff to be a quality starter, which in turn causes a lot of injuries to starting pitchers due to the sheer quantity of innings thrown. Due to risk that poses with surgeries and uncertaties about your career, a lot of younger people might be scared off from pursuing a career as a pitcher, which isn’t good for the sport.
But when they see that you can make this type of big bucks if you’re a good enough reliever, it will encourage more them to stick pitching, as they can always try and be a reliever if they fail as starters and still make bank. So to me, the growing value of relievers seems like a very positive thing for the sports.
Francisco
Stupid money for 75 innings you will get. Typical Yankee by year 3 will have serious regrets when the downside starts.
dimelotitony
Chapman can opt out in year 3 so if he max out his effort and stays dominant he will opt out looking for a bigger contract and one last contract after that. Let’s also realize that relief pitching is at an all-time high premium now and that is the norm to build from strength look at the Cubs they have now gone through 2 relief pitchers giving up some pretty good prospects and one that was active on the MLB roster in Soler.
For the Yankees if Chapman does great he will opt out and this is a 3 year contract much like Boston paid for DAvid Price and other teams incorporating opt-outs. Another thing was that not many teams can trade a star player and get him back. If Andrew Miller say was a FA what you think his net worth would be in an open market? Look at what Mark got from the Giants and Jensen from Miami both have not been as dominant as Chapman has since he arrived and he has a commodity that is very special in baseball he is left-handed that is a power pitcher that alone will intrigue any team.
To say the Yankees were stupid to offer that kind of money to a relief pitcher again this is a different era teams are paying a heavy price for bullpen success. Those that say the Yankees have not won anything yes its been awhile but how many teams can claim they were actually a dynasty like the Yankees, Giants, Oakland A’s from yesteryear.
Now we have a drone of Cub fans believing that their team is invincible ask the Royal fans how quickly that high can dissolve it’s not that easy to continue to have success on a yearly basis and put a winning product out on the field so enjoy the title but don’t get ahead of yourselves thinking that your team is unbeatable or a championship is won in the winter.
One last thing for as mediocre that the Yankees have been the past few years they have been the model of consistency in all of sports as they have not been under .500 since 1992 so think about that for a second that’s 23 years in the making of not being under .500 how many teams or fans in baseball can claim that or how about how many professional teams in all sports can claim that consistency?
rocky7
STUPID COMMENT Francisco!
The guy will be 30 in three years Bub.
xabial
Cheer up Dodger fans! You influence this contract more ways than one. Your team is the one that popularized the “opt out” clause
dimelotitony
Chapman did not want to go to the West Coast and le’ts also remember that he remembers the Dodgers could have had him when he was going through his legal matter and they ran away so that also played a hand in it. It was either going to be Miami or Yankees obviously Miami with the large Cuban community he would have felt right at home the fact that the Yankees believed in him and made him feel home I believe was why he made that choice.
Now what I don’t understand is what in the world is Miami doing going after star studded relief pitchers instead of pitching or hitters unless they have something up their sleeve like signing E.E.
Bald Vinny
In counter move, Red Sox sign Rajai Davis to sit on bench as pinch hitter.
basilisk4
Ingenious of the Yankees to trade very little to get him from the Reds, get a huge overpay from the Cubs during the season for him, and then re-sign him a few months later. I’m not convinced that spending so much on a closer makes sense, but if you were going to do it anyway, you can’t have done it much more successfully than the Yankees did here.
Bald Vinny
Especially since they got a player better than Moncada for him from the Cubs.
Mikel Grady
World Series win for 108 year drought is a overpay? If you say so
basilisk4
The Cubs would’ve won the World Series with or without Chapman and his 3.45 ERA in the postseason.
I don’t think that much of anyone thinks that Torres is better than Moncada at this point but Torres is a nice prospect and that could change. Still, getting Torres for 3 months of Chapman that the Cubs didn’t really need is pretty spectacular for the Yankees.
ivanivan
Oh really? The Cubs would have had Hector Rondon be the closer without Chapman. Remind us, what was Rondon’s ERA in the postseason again?
steelcitybucc0s
Wow big surprise … could see this happening when he got traded to the Cubs
Great job by the Yankees since last trade deadline
Mikel Grady
Cubs matched Yankees offer but chapman didn’t like the idea of pitching an extra month every year with Cubs.
MB923
Good one
soxfaninbrooklyn
If Chapman and Holliday are it for the Yankees I wouldn’t go screaming way to go. They need starters which aren’t really available now. People think Chapman will change the tides is like Red Sox fans thinking without replacing Ortiz we are destined for the Series Win. Good sign but probably a luxury the yanks didn’t need right now.
rocky7
Building for the future Red Sox fan in Brooklyn!
Serious contention in 2018! Possible wild card in 2017.
steelcitybucc0s
I’d say good job by the Yankees and I hate that team
Rented out chapman for decent prospects and got him back bc they knew they were likely to sign him this offseason.. every1 wins.. Cubs get their WS.. Yankees get more decent prospects
Plus Yankees are prob saving up potential $$$ bc… well I think we all know why
So ya I’d say good job Yankees
MB923
Marlins apparently offered slightly more (5 years/$87 Million with multiple opt out clauses)