After a whirlwind stretch of about 27 hours in which he traded franchise cornerstone Chris Sale and one of the game’s best all-around outfielders in Adam Eaton, White Sox general manager Rick Hahn expressed both the difficult and emotional nature of the decisions as well as the optimism he had about his organization’s future at a press conference at Major League Baseball’s Winter Meetings. Having traded Sale for prospects Yoan Moncada, Michael Kopech, Luis Alexander Basabe and Victor Diaz yesterday, Hahn acquired right-handers Lucas Giolito, Reynaldo Lopez and Dane Dunning in this afternoon’s Eaton trade.
“There’s going to be some difficult elements of this along the way, as we talked about yesterday,” said Hahn of the decision embark on a rebuild. “I did not enjoy my phone call with Adam any more than I enjoyed my phone call with Chris yesterday. But everyone in that room, in that suite upstairs, when we went through the process of evaluating whether this was the right thing to do, was unanimously on board that this will help further our process.”
Though the front office was seemingly all on board, Hahn didn’t characterize that as an easy consensus to reach. Trading a player with five years of remaining club control was understandably characterized as a difficult decision to reach and one that at times was the source of some debate.
“We certainly expect to be in a position to contend for championships within the next five years,” the GM stated, “so we had to have our own debate. ’Are we better off doing this now, perhaps diversify a bit and bring in some other high-ceiling talent? Or do you stick with Adam yourself?’Â I do think he had perhaps a little bit more appeal than maybe some free agent options, given the price points, or perhaps than some other players on the market because of the length of their control relative to Adam. That also meant that he came with a higher asking price.”
In the case of Eaton, that was three right-handed pitchers that Hahn termed “potential front-end-of-the-rotation fixtures.” The White Sox entered negotiations with high expectations and didn’t merely sell to the highest bidder, Hahn explained, and that’ll be the manner in which he continues to operate as he fields interest in other players on the roster. Names like Todd Frazier and Melky Cabrera represent short-term assets (free agents next winter) that could potentially be explored in deals, while others such as David Robertson (two years of control) Jose Abreu (three years) and Jose Quintana (four years) could merit larger commitments due to the fact that each can be a long-term (and reasonably priced) solution for an interested party.
Unsurprisingly, Hahn didn’t make mention of any specific players he’s already discussed or plans to market to other clubs, but he made no secret of the fact that the Sox hope to again find themselves in a position to receive a trade offer that they feel too strong to rebuff.
“There may well be nothing else while we’re [at the Winter Meetings,” Hahn explained. “There may not be anything else until after the holidays, or through the trade deadline or until next offseason. We’re taking a longer-term view, and we’re going to do this deliberately and with reason and logic, and react accordingly to the market. Eaton came together because Washington was fairly aggressive, as were a few other suitors that accelerated the time frame. We are open and eager for that to happen again, but if it doesn’t, we’ll be patient and move when the time is right.”
Though five of the players that they’ve acquired since Tuesday morning are pitchers, the White Sox weren’t specifically focusing on high-end pitching prospects when negotiating with other clubs. The Sox pursued the best prospects possible, regardless of position, according to Hahn. The end goal, he further explained, is to develop enough of a base of talent that the Sox don’t need to be so reliant on a top-heavy roster. In recent years, the White Sox haven’t had the “one-through-25 depth or even the one-through-40 depth” that a team needs in order to play at a championship level, Hahn opined.
Fostering that level of depth obviously isn’t a short-term endeavor, but that also doesn’t mean that the White Sox won’t reap any benefits in 2017. While Dunning — whom Hahn noted was high on the team’s draft board in 2016 — will begin the season in Class-A, both Giolito and Lopez are expected to open the season in the Sox’ Triple-A rotation and will get the opportunity to pitch in the Majors if they prove ready. “The good ones have a way of forcing the issue,” said Hahn, noting that both Giolito and Lopez “conceivably will contribute to the 2017 White Sox.”
And, depending on how the remainder of Chicago’s trading efforts work out, there could be further ripple effects on the Opening Day roster. The White Sox now look at Cabrera, Charlie Tilson and Avisail Garcia as their starting outfield alignment, according to the GM. Further subtractions throughout the roster, though, could lead the team to “augment” the roster as Spring Training approaches. If the Sox don’t have the requisite upper-level depth to fill a void or if the team doesn’t wish to rush a prospect to the Majors, it seems reasonable to expect the Sox to pursue a veteran option that could serve as a bridge to younger talent.
Over the past few years, Hahn has been used to speaking at press conferences in which he’s announcing a newly acquired addition to his Major League roster with an eye toward contending, making the past few days somewhat uncharted territory for the South Side GM.
“The weird part for me is that we walk around here, you have a lot of people congratulating you — kindly, with well-intentioned congratulations — whether it’s scouts, or executives from other clubs,” Hahn explained. “It’s a little awkward, because we traded Chris Sale. That’s not something you feel great about. That’s not a feather in your cap, so to speak, but this is where we are.”
sagbagels
i feel like they could have squeezed another prospect in either deal
petfoodfella
For Eaton? I don’t think so. I think Washington overpaid.
astrosfan4life
Absurdly overpaid. Great job by Hahn though, on both of their trades.
sagbagels
5 years of prime MLB ready OF talent who has speed? for prospects who are prospects…too early to tell
astrosfan4life
I’d hardly call him prime, unless you’re referring to him being in his prime. Good yes, great/elite, not even close. Regardless, great job by Hahn on this deal.
petfoodfella
Speed? He stole 14 bases last year. That’s like saying Dustin Pedroia is a big HR hitter.
Jeff Todd
He’s a very good baserunner, too. Not just stolen bases.
jdgoat
He is great though. Since going to Chicago his lowest ops plus is 119 and you add in the above average base running and elite defense and he might be the second most complete player in the game. He’s probably a top 10 outfielder under cheap control for a loonnnnnggg time
nrd1138
For Sale? Yes. For Eaton? No. As it is the Sox got a good deal for Eaton, but really should have gotten a position player as well as pitching. The Sox have a LOT of good pitching in the minors, it is position players that they are missing.
kidaplus
If Eaton is a FA he’s a 100 million dollar player… see Fowler & Hewyard for comps.
Werth is up after this year and Harper’s heading to Free agency.
Do you think they have any chance of being able to sign a 100mil Top defensive corner outfielder (he will be in left next year) and Harper to whatever mega-deal?
No way.
Prospects are prospects and most don’t live up the hype… and their willingness put Gilioto in all these offers tells me those who know him best arent as high on him as everyone else.
If one of these guys becomes a true ace… sure Wsox won the deal. But if they end up middle rotation guys… then they not only traded some mid guys for 100mil outfielder they’re only playing 38mil… but whatever that extra 60 mil saved gets you… which very may well be 10 more years of Bryce Harper.
Bryce Harper playing with run saver run scoring all star in left… instead of whatever replacement level guy they can afford to put out there..
bruinlife33
Agree on the part regarding prospects. It’s like waiting for your Todd Van Poppel Topps card to increase in value.
stymeedone
Keep in mind, Eaton lost the CF job last year to Austin Jackson! Austin Jackson! Its not like Jackson is anything but an average defensive CF.
JKB 2
Name one top pitching prospect in the White Sox system before the trades?
Priggs89
Carson Fulmer, Spencer Adams, Zack Burdi, and Alec Hansen are all good pitching prospects. Depends how you want to define “top.” Seeing as he never said top, not sure how relevant it is.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
So does this mean that the “McCutchen will be traded to the Nats any second” talks over the past three weeks will come to a close?
Davidvandusen1
You need to go on baseballprospectus.com and understand they got a sick return in both trades.
kgcubs
Aloha david- As a Cubs fan, I totally agree with you. The Nats did offer a lot for Sale and lost out to the RedSox; that could have gone either way. Not saying it is a consolation prize that Eaton is going to DC because he is an established player now, prospects are prospects until proven. All in all I am happy for the WSox. I know many of my colleagues wished the Cubs could have traded for Sale but my gosh, they would have had to give up so much and the farm system is not what it was before the trade deadline of this past season. Mahalo.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Yup KG Cubs, should be interesting times in Chicago if the South Siders come close to replicating Theo’s progress in transforming the club. Would probably take what the Sox have done this offseason to date and having a solid tank in 17 to land a Kris Bryant level pick. Could be quite the fascinating Chitown rivalry by 2018!
nrd1138
Only if the White Sox minor league instructors can bring these guys along. As a Sox fan of 25+ years I am wary of how well the minor league instruction is in the Sox org, specifically for position players (which the Sox desperately need, even now).
chad803
White Sox trade raped the Nats and it isn’t even Thursday yet. They gave up wayyyyy to much for Eaton
marinest21 2
Might as well go for it all now. Abreu, Quintana, Frazier, Robertson, etc. If the price is right, pull the trigger. You can’t go halfway and stop there. Either you’re committed to a full rebuild or you’re not. Too many teams fall into this trap, and often you have to bite the bullet for at least a season (or three) to really see results. Look at the Astros and the Cubs.
I am not a White Sox fan, but the talent they have amassed in twenty-four hours is pretty impressive.
dazedatnoon
I’m surprised Eaton moved with the OF bats still on the market (Fowler, etc.)….same with Abreu. Quintana and Sale absolutely had a market right away with the lack of pitching available this offseason. As for Abreu, I can’t see him moving until the dust settles on EE and others but I guess I could be wrong. The contract factor no doubt played a role in Eaton moving before the FAs and Abreu is sitting on a bargain contract as well.
kidaplus
Not surprising at all. Nats have to pay Harper. Eaton at 5 years 38mil helps them do that. Signing a guy hurts it. They have depth at pitching, but after Werth leave next year would be have two spots open in the outfield as they want to play Turner at SS.
Robles you figure may take one, but he’s still young… and then there’s another one open… banking on prospects filling both of those? Certainly can’t afford any big FA if they hope sign Harper.
This way they figure they can have their outfield set with prime talent for 4 years starting in 18 with Eaton at 38mil and Robles at rookie and Harper on a new deal.
Just pencil that in for 500+ games.
Steven P.
the time to deal Quintana is now with zero quality free agent starters on the market. four seasons of control will make him hugely valuable
oldleftylong
A pale hose haul!
dazedatnoon
classy comment from Hahn….
“we traded Chris Sale. That’s not something you feel great about. That’s not a feather in your cap”
Bighert
The bats gave up 2 soon-to-be frontline starters that are both major league ready for an average or slightly above average center fielder… could have gotten Gardner from the Yankees for much less and he is just about as good of a player. Bad move by Rizzo
phils phanatic
more money on gardner’s contract with less control.adding eaton instead of gardner or fowler allows them to spend freely at another position,probably closer
ray_derek
Gardner isn’t even close to the same player as Eaton…lmao
jdgoat
In what world is Adam eaton slightly above average? Is this 2012 or something?
Bighert
NATS**
xD2V
As a Marlins fan, I’m so glad the Nationals made this trade. Gave up far too much for a good controllable player. That same package of players is a package that gets you a player similar to Chris Sale.
formerlyz
except they offered Giolito, Lopez AND Robles for Sale, and didnt get him……I’m a Marlins fan too, but lets not act like the Nationals just totally depleted their farm system, and are going to feel it for years. They still have Austin Voth, Erick Fedde, and Adam Cole in the upper minors to supplement their already really good rotation. They got a really good player, that has been able to play CF except for 1 down year, on a really cheap deal for 5 years. Its going to take a lot to get that. Still, Giolito and Lopez both have some questions, and Dunning was just drafted and has yet to pitch in A ball.
Giolito has already had TJ surgery, and isnt in the greatest shape, as well as the fact that his stock is down from apparently showing some bad signs during his callup, like diminished velocity and command. Lopez is still raw, despite his obvious talent, and his mechanics arent the greatest, with the effort in his delivery, as well as possible durability concerns in the future based on his size. Dunning being so far down the road that I pretty much disregard him here. Again, it is a lot to give up, but the Nationals still have young arms in the upper minors to supplement their already very good rotation
xD2V
I agree it’s not like they’ve depleted their farm system and understand what you’re trying to say but the point is to get the best possible return when you’re giving up the talent the nationals just gave up. Notice I say SIMILAR to a player like Chris Sale.. yes the nationals may have offered Giolito, Lopez, AND Robles… but that’s still not a better offer then what the white sox got from the red sox.. Yoan Moncada is a STUDDD and Kopech isn’t far off either..
my point is that there’s players like Lorenzo Cain or Andrew mccutchen on the market who fit the Nationals lineup better than a left handed hitting Adam eaton. I understand the controlable years and team friendly contract but I can guarantee you Dusty Baker doesn’t want to have 3 lefties in a row when he’s a manager who proved last year that he prefers a balanced lineup. Now if you move trea turner to hit second… yes it wouldn’t be a bad idea but trea turner could very well be the best lead off hitter in baseball so moving him from the first spot doesn’t make too much sense.
Chris March
I think the Sox will hang on with Abreu. Todd Frazier to LA makes sense, maybe for Puig or Ethier & another prospect. Not crazy about Puig or Ethier but LA needs to cut some salary. Maybe LA gives a better prospect to Chicago if they eat a lot of Frazier’s salary.
Overbrook
Trading Frazier for Puig or Ethier is just handing candy to the Dodgers; the Whitesox aren’t in the business of doing that. They have no use for either one. If they won’t offer a prospect they like, just hold him to July and hope he has a good first 4 months.
Priggs89
Ethier makes absolutely no sense. That being said, I kiiiiind of would be interested in Puig. Obviously prospects would make a lot more sense, but if they can’t get that they really like, Puig wouldn’t be the worst idea in the world. Grab him and hope that he rebounds next year while you’re rebuilding, and then flip him for some prospects next year. Worst case scenario, he’s bad on a bad team.
nrd1138
Puig is fools gold IMO. Could Rick Renteria install some kind of drive/motivation to Puig? Maybe, but not worth it for the Sox as is they keep moving guys then expect nothing really for ’17..
Priggs89
I don’t disagree that he’s fools gold, but seeing as this team is going nowhere either way, it wouldn’t be the worst idea in the world to grab someone with his talent. Like I said, if he starts looking good, you can flip him for much more than you’d get for a year of Frazier. If he sucks, oh well.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Or just hang on to him period. He’s not likely to command more than $14 mill per and provides stability at the hot corner and in the clubhouse. Keeping him through ’18 also helps toll Moncada’s clock. It’s taken this long to get past the Gordon Gillespie-Connor Fields- Tyler Beckham- Josh Saladino nonsense I’m happy just letting the Todfather sit there for a while.
nrd1138
The Sox likely will not do this. Frazier will likely be moved as someone always needs a 3B, whether now or by mid season. Frazier’s skills will only decrease and he will not really be the player he is now when the Sox are anywhere near competitive. So I suggest you get ready for Davidson at 3b this season. What really baffles me is that the Sox cannot draft at least ONE 3b in a Major league draft?
redsfan48
I feel like if the Nats offered Giolito, Lopez, Robles, Dunning, and then either Joe Ross or 1-2 more of their top 10 prospects, they could have landed BOTH Sale and Eaton, or perhaps Quintana and Eaton.
Priggs89
So you basically think Robles/Ross is a better package than what the White Sox took from the Red Sox?
redsfan48
No, that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that the Nats overpaid for Eaton, and the White Sox probably knew it. If they started from the beginning by offering the package I proposed (before making individual offers for Sale and Eaton), they probably could have gotten it done before the Red Sox even had the chance to counter. Still would have been quite a good deal for the White Sox.
Priggs89
Nah. They wouldn’t have trade Sale and Eaton in the same deal, especially if someone like Turner wasn’t involved. You get more value by splitting your best assets.
nrd1138
Agreed, no way combining Sale and Eaton would get you the same, or better, deal for the team receiving them.
redsfan48
Agreed, there is more value for the White Sox in splitting them up to trade them, but I’m looking at this from the Nationals’ perspective. If they made that offer from the beginning, before the Red Sox made any offer, you can’t possibly say the White Sox wouldn’t have at least seriously considered packaging both players together. Sometimes it’s too risky to pass on an offer already on the table, even if you expect to be able to get more later.
Dumpster Divin Theo
That Rick Hahn. He’s a baaad man!!!!
stymeedone
Said no one until 24 hours ago. Guess he’s the GM you want when you’re tearing down your team.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Tilson, Cabrera, Avi. That’s one ugly ass OF. Oh wait, I see. Suddenly the Avi and Lawrie reups make a lot of sense. Throw in a hefty diet of James Shields, and copious PA for Sanchez and Saladino and we’re looking at the next “Springtime for Hitler”. Solid tank in 17 = a top 3 draft pick to add to the largesse. Niiice.
ArmChairGM-
I wonder if the Rangers could get Jose Abreu for Gallo, Profar, Deshields, Scheppers, and a prospect. That would solve the Rangers need at first base. The whitesox could trade Frazier and Lawrie for more prospects and Deshields could take over in center with Gallo taking 3B and Profar taking 2B.
jleve618
Was just thinking, how different this trade will look if he pulls a Daniel Murphy and lights the world on fire next year.
chitownsox11
As a White Sox fan I am glad they picked a direction and followed through with the rebuild. But at the same time I am extremely mad and disappointed at the job the front office has done the last five years. Terrible drafting, no good international signings, and no good free agents signings. White Sox fans deserved way better, and Sale should have pitched in the playoffs as a White Sox.
People are amazed at the returns that Hahn is getting, but how many people even trade 28 year old 6 WAR RF signed for 5 years at $38 million total. And how many People trade 28 year old 5 WAR SP signed for 3 years and $38 million total.
It really goes to show how incompetent the front office has been. I bet almost no other MLB would trade these players with the talent and contracts they have.
stymeedone
Good point. The Williams/Hahn combo finally found something they’re good at. They have been tearing the White Sox down slowly, even when they weren’t trying. Way to play to their strength.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I’d call Abreu a good international signing. It’s true his power has declined in each year, but he’s still an above-average hitter with 30HR power. As for how much they could’ve or should’ve gotten, don’t forget about the control they have on incoming players. They’re unproven, but both deals have enough potential upside among the prospects combined to make these great deals for the Sox. I don’t know if it’ll work out that way, but this risk is better than the near certainty that the same core would just be mediocre again next year.
bfrie
Although I think the front office has been bad over the past 5-6 years, real bad, you have to give them credit for signing Sale, Quintana, Eaton, Abreau, and others to such club friendly deals. If Sale was making what he was worth, or Eaton for that matter, there is no way the Sox would have got the talented prospects in return that they got the past 2 days. The White Sox traded for the top position player and top pitching prospect in all of baseball. You have to give them some credit on that.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
What would be the point in signing someone to replace Tilson in center or Avi in right? They’ll give the team a worse record, which means a better draft slot. They know they won’t win in 2017; why not be terrible so they can be even better in 2018 or 2019?
bfrie
As a White Sox, I couldn’t be happier in the return we got from both the Sale and the Eaton trade. Especially the Eaton trade. Adam Eaton is a really solid player, but I think the Nats gave up too much for him. Eaton is basically a smaller version of Dexter Fowler. Eaton runs well but doesn’t know how to steal bases (career 67% stolen base success rate), he has a great arm for a small guy but sometimes takes bad angles to balls in the outfield and misjudges them. It looks like he will play CF for the Nats, that may be a problem. He usually starts off the season slowly, but the guy does have a lot of energy and usually is a much better 2nd half of the season player. I think the Nats were better served to land Eaton than McCutchen. That said, the package of Giolito, Lopez, and Dunning is a steal for the Sox. The package the Sox got for Sale was great too. I’m just shocked that the Nats would not include Trea Turner in a package for Chris Sale. It’s that kind of stubbornness that cost the Nats Chris Sale. But I guess Rizzo thinks it was worth it.
Also want to mention, if the Sox front office didn’t sign all these players to such team friendly deals, there is no way they would be able to get these great prospect packages in return. So congrats to them for inking these players to those deals. Would like to see the Sox continue to deal players who could return them more young talent. I think Abreau, Robertson (once Jansen signs), and Frazier could bring back some more talent. Quintana should bring back a package of prospects equal to the Eaton deal, but I say if other teams balk at those demands, hang on to Quintana as your #1 starter. There will be teams at the deadline looking for arms, and since he’s controlled for so many years you can explore it again this off season. Great job by the White Sox.
redsfan48
I would not have even traded Trea Turner for Chris Sale straight-up. He could turn out to be one of the best all-around players since Mike Trout if the power he showed last season is for real. Honestly, he could probably even be considered “a poor man’s Mike Trout” if he can replicate last season’s numbers.