8:44pm: Ross is so early in his surgery rehab that his progress wasn’t a factor, GM A.J. Preller tells AJ Cassavell of MLB.com (links to Twitter). San Diego is open to a return, at a lower price. Obviously, a trade didn’t come together, but Preller says that discussions were explored.
7:18pm: The Padres have non-tendered righty Tyson Ross and five other players, Dennis Lin of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports on Twitter. Also cut loose were Alexi Amarista, Jon Edwards, Erik Johnson, Jose Pirela and Hector Sanchez.
Ross, 29, easily becomes the most prominent player to be non-tendered this year. Excellent as he has been when healthy, he missed virtually all of 2016 and is still working back from shoulder surgery.
Still, the wide assumption had been that San Diego would roll the dice on Ross returning to form, perhaps hoping he’d emerge as a trade candidate as soon as the spring — or, if not, by the mid-season market. After all, he compiled a 3.03 ERA over 391 2/3 innings in the 2014 and 2015 seasons, with a strong 9.4 K/9 against 3.6 BB/9.
Ross is typically a very strong groundball pitcher, with a lifetime 56.0% mark. But his velocity had been falling of late, and then the shoulder issues arose in full force. While it seemed at various times as if he’d make it back in 2016, after making just a single start (on Opening Day), he ultimately required thoracic outlet surgery in mid-October.
Given the risk — and, perhaps, the unknown medical reports the team has received — perhaps the move isn’t as surprising as it seems at first glance. MLBTR projected Ross to repeat his $9.6MM salary from a year ago, and that’s no small amount to stake on a single season. Still, organizations searching for upside on a thin market will no doubt take a long look at a pitcher who’s a top-of-the-rotation piece when healthy.
Among the other players, Amarista ($1.6MM projection) and Sanchez ($900K) were also eligible. They’ll also save the team money; San Diego already parted with Derek Norris and his projected $4.0MM salary earlier today via trade.
The others will mostly depart to open roster space. All came with questions. Edwards, a converted outfielder, has a big arm but threw just one competitive inning last year. Johnson, who came over in the James Shields trade, underwent Tommy John surgery in early October. And Pirela was once a highly regarded prospect, but hasn’t stayed healthy and didn’t hit much last year at Triple-A.
Tyson Ross?
Wth
Angels get on Tyson Ross right feeling now
Yes. We need another C J Wilson.
the cubs need to pick up Tyson Ross
I can see this happening.
Marlins need to pick Ross up
Wow Tyson Ross. He was good in 2015
Wow! Cutting Tyson Ross a year after they thought he could be a frontline starter.
OH SNAP!!! This. Just. Got. REAL.
Also, Amarista has value in the right situation.
I’m sure they tried to work a deal for Amarista before non-tendering. He’s reached his peak in my opinion, and that peak isn’t very good.
Amarista is terrible. Can’t hit, doesn’t get on base. The glove only plays at second. Padres have wasted way too many at-bats on this guy.
You may well be right, the value I see is simply as a light hitting utility guy. Maybe a Michael Martinez type.
Amarista is a player should should be playing down at AAA. The only thing the Padres will miss from him is the ability to throw him on the mound during massive blowout games.
Astros explored trading for him a year ago. Maybe now they can get him for only money, no prospects.
MY EXACT THOUGHT! I’VE ADMIRED TYSON ROSS FOR LIKE 4 YEARS NOW. EXCUSE THE ALL-CAPS I’M JUST EXCITED FOR THE PROSPECTS OF US SIGNING HIM. DO IT ASTROS, DO IT!!!!!
diamond backs and padres are the worst managed teams
Maybe AZ has bad ownership but their management team is new. Maybe cut them some slack until next year. New personnel means new philosophies. They’re going to cut players like Wellington because of that.
The Bucs need to bring the Ross brothers together!
Joe Ross plays for the Nats.
Bucs are possibly getting him in Cutch trade. Immediately thought of that the moment I saw Tyson’s name on here.
Yes! Yes! Yes!
I didn’t think they’d have the nads to do it, but seems like a good move to me because he’s still got injury problems after missing essentially all of 2016, and he’d be way too expensive for what he could offer.
But isn’t he good for 2017? Were they just so concerned with his medicals and price that they said screw it?
No, he just recently had Thoracic Outlet Syndrome surgery, which can be a crapshoot to come back from. Some have, but many haven’t.
Padres got nothing in return for James Shields
Fernando Tatis Jr. and 25 MM is something to me.
Boy that’s a nice spin. Pads actually threw in $58M with Shields to get Tatis and that $27M. So net effect is Pads trade Shields and $31M for… Tatis. Ouch.
Tatis and 27M is much better than James Shields.
Again your ignoring the $58M the Pads threw in. And yes, the Pads signing of Shields was terrible and costly.
that’s water under the bridge. they at least managed to salvage somethiing, and by something i mean 27M and a prospect, not too shabby.
you can’t call signing a player for stupid money and then eating some of it to get a meh prospect back “water under the bridge” and act like it’s not an awful overall transaction.
It was a terrible transaction. At least Tatis looks good. It wasn’t as bad as the Kemp deal or the failure to trade Upton for Fulmer, but it’s right up there.
Cashman better sign tyson Ross
Remember the Javy Baez for Ross rumors a year ago?
And it was the Padres hang up first?
Baez is a bright young player who is excellent defensively. He has big boy power as well. But I think after watching him in the playoffs people are overeating him. Once pitchers learned to not throw him a fastball over the plate he started wailing again. Not saying he can’t adjust back but he has holes in his swing. Still agree the pads should have done that deal however
Its not holes in his swing. he just has a terrible approach. swing can be fixed, approach is way more difficult.
World Champion Baez. Isn’t he the guy in game 7 that hit opposite field homer on outside pitch?
@cosmo1
Not sure what you are getting at. One year ago, yes Padres do hang up first considering Ross was actually showing the potential of a frontline starter. At that same time, Baez was showing off everything he learned at the Alfonso Soriano swing school.
Besides, Ross is being non-tendered because he could not stay healthy and was not showing promise in his recovery. Has nothing to do with his abilities diminishing. Hopefully he bounces back with another team and has the chance to make good on his potential.
that was never the rumor. javy Baez could get 3 Chris Archer type players. Ross is good but he’s not worth Baez. realistically Torres could have and probably should have gotten miller and Chapman straight up. but we all know cashman is greedy. McKinley and Torres were the main pieces to that trade. Crawford and Warren were basically throw ins.
A delusional Cubs fan. Nice.
This guy must be trolling. I’m a Cubs fan and if he is being serious then I apologize on behalf of the other Cubs fans.
Supply and demand, it’s how business works. A real cubs fan would realize that they paid the price for a World Series trophy which is much more valuable than prospects
so many teams are gonna try to jump on Ross and he is gonna get paidddd
Angels and Marlins are most logical landing spots. Even if Ross isn’t ready until mid-season, he has considerable upside, and his price tag will be reasonable
He’s going to the Nats. His brother Joe is already there.
I’m guessing the Padres know more about the state of Ross’s shoulder than we do. Shoulders are pretty tricky – most pitchers don’t come back from shoulder injuries, and no pitcher has really ever come back strong from TOS surgery. My prediction: Tyson Ross doesn’t throw another pitch in the major leagues.
Agreed that the padres probably have a good reason for this move and know more about his health than other teams, only good thing about tos surgery is that they don’t actually do anything to the shoulder itself unless a routine clean up is done, so the structure of his shoulder should still be okay which is most important
Yeah. I can’t imagine the Padres having undisclosed medical info on Ross in a shadow database or anything.
The history of pitchers that have come back successfully from TOS is, well, it’s nonexistent.
Saw a post that said that since they non-tendered him, the Padres don’t have to release any additional medical information on Ross. So teams know what the Padres put in about his TOS surgery, but they really don’t know about his rehab progress and the Padres now have no obligation to release it. Like you said, they must be pretty sure he is not coming back, at least at near the level he was at.
Astros–go get him.
Yea this is like a gift packaged for them, its a risk but very high reward if he stays healthy
Let’s take a flyer on it, what could it hurt to add depth?
There will be a bid war for Ross.
Has a team in recent memory dropped the ball worse than the Padres when it came to not trading extremely tradeable players?
Despite injury Ross probably just jumped to the top of teams’ list. Would love for Cubs to pick him up, let him heal and insert him into rotation when Lackey and Arrieta potentially leave next year.
I have to agree with you there. Ross should’ve been traded last offseason, but the Padres held onto him and now they will get nothing.
It reminds me of when they dropped the ball on trading Chase Headley when his value was at its peak.
where is the padre fan who told me tyson ross was not an injury risk?
This could say something about what their medical team thinks of ross’ health. Before everyone says “my team needs to go get him”, you may want to consider why the padres thought it was prudent to non-tender him.
Hence the reason for a physical.
Exactly what I was thinking. Assuming his most recent surgery didn’t go as planned. Only time will tell. He will be missed, but, what’s done is done.
THIS. It’s amazing how many people think their team NEEDS TO SIGN TYSON ROSS RIGHT NOW. Obviously his shoulder is pretty messed up…
His shoulder is not messed up, his shoulder hurts or hurt.TOS surgery has nothing to do with the structure of the shoulder. As in most cases it’s the first rib putting pressure on a nerve causing pain in shoulder and neck. So his shoulder is okay, same surgery Matt Harvey and Phil Hughes had this season and both have been cleared to resume a normal offseason.
It’s a pretty mixed bag when it comes to TOS recovery. The pitchers who have had it: hochevar never came back, carpenter never came back, Beckett was quite bad, Garcia was terrible last year, Chris young had a couple good seasons then pistedvone if the worst seasons in baseball history last year.
Matt Harrison and Noah Lowry never came back at all. Foltynewicz is improving. Clayton Richard turned into a reliever. Not a great track record so far.
Ross missed basically the entire 2016 season because of a shoulder injury in early April. He didn’t have the TOS surgery until mid-October when they discovered the thoracic outlet syndrome issue during his rehab from the shoulder injury.
Rangers!
rangers
Can’t believe the Padres cut Tyson Ross loose. Rays should sign him!!
Wowzas
Everyone knows Ross is hurt, SD can’t trade him
Wow, they must have thought his injury was so severe that even if he came back this year, there wouldn’t be any value on the trade market for him… wow. I can’t say I was surprised when I read.
Want Tyson Ross, please #cubs
Both Ross and Castillo were very surprising non-tenders today. Castillo was a good hitting catcher who finally broke out after being sent to the diamondbacks, soon after they signed Jeff Mathis so that means Castillo is done there I guess, I am surprised they didn’t tender him and then trade him, he had to have some value. As for Ross I am surprised, he is suppose to be back healthy this year and lead a group of young starters, I mean I bet someone wanted Ross but wasn’t trying to deal with the Padres after everything that happened this past season. Either way I bet both will land good deals and play big roles on their new teams
of course this happens the day after the Braves acquire Garcia. Depending on his health I would rather pay Ross the 12 mil going to Garcia. haha
What a fail by Padres. Why they didnt trade him last year or the year before nobody knows. They werent competing anyway
Because that is The Padre Way.
ORIOLES MUST SIGN TYSON ROSS! I think I just heard aliens say that. This is a perfect opportunity for us to get rotation help.
They were just given an early Christmas present. Duquette needs to sign him.
But you know something will go wrong with his physical then.
So contract wise? 2 years 15MM
1 year 5MM, with incentives and a second year team option for 10MM
Angels PLEASE GET Tyson Ross …
Hey we can agree for once
Braves should go after Ross on a 2 yr deal.. they can allow him to get healthy without pressure. If he does Colon or Dickey can move to the long man spot. Then they could look to trade him when/if their prospects are deemed ready..
The Orioles need to go after Tyson Ross. He would greatly improve their rotation when healthy. It’s a risky move given his most recent injury and decreasing velocity but he is still a very solid pitcher and has the ability to be the #2 or 3 guy on the O’s behind Tillman and maybe Gausman. A rotation of Tillman, Gausman, Bundy, Ross, and Miley filling the #5 spot could be very good.
That’s a lot of ifs. They still have to pay Gallardo and Jimenez. That #4 and #5 could possibly be a real mess especially if they have to rely on Miley.
If they can get Ross, they probably trade Gallardo or Jimenez or both. They need to keep Miley based on how he finished last year and he would be their only lefty.
Great idea. Trade guys that can actually pitch because you signed somebody that’s got a messed up shoulder.
Totally agree
Yeah, or Gausman, Bundy and Ross could combine to throw 100 innings. If the pads non-tendered Ross, he’s probably not healthy enough to step into a rotation and instantly perform.
Well Gausman will probably be around the 175-185 mark next year and Bundy will be around the 120-140 range.
until they get hurt, again.
Gausman never had a serious injury and pitched 179.2 innings last year. 200 is actually a reasonable estimation next year for him.
if he goes from 112 to 180 to 200 with no injury, i will be shocked.
Why would you be shocked? It’s called maturing. Pitchers don’t just immediately jump into a rotation and throw 200 innings in their first couple of seasons, they start lower and build up as they gain experience.
If he jumped from 112 to 180 though, that’s a big jump. Teams typically want it to be a 20 inning increase from year to year
Teams typically don’t want IP to double, but they definitely let guys jump more than 20 IP per season. It would take a guy 5 years to go from 100 to 200 in that case.
Yeah. The Verducci effect has basically been dismissed. (His theory was only a jump if 40 innings/season). Teams are thinking more about pitch count than innings these days. Trying to avoid long innings, which measurably lead to higher risk.
Seattle should sign him, it makes sense to me.
Another head scratcher by the Padres…
Was hearing at start of year about all the prospects it would take to acquire Ross and Padres don’t tender him. Wtf
The Padres seem to have the worst luck when it comes to stuff like this. If he was healthy, Ross would have taken a huge haul for some team to acquire at the trade deadline last season. He got hurt on opening day and missed the entire season then had TOS surgery in mid-October. According to CBS Sports, he won’t pick up a ball for the first time until February and will need 4 months to be ready to pitch in the majors after that if all goes well in his rehab.
Once again, the Padres part ways with a fan favorite. No identity. I hope they re sign him!
I don’t know, I’d argue that Myers is more of a fan favorite than Ross was. Myers is basically turning into the face of the franchise.
Part of selling is having an emotional attachment to the product.
With this team the last 10 years, whenever fans start connecting with the product, it is blown up and changed. Just look at all the popular players or the uniforms. The Padres just don’t get it.
Please face of franchise doesn’t hit .210 on road with 36 Rbis and 89 whifffs
And to think, around this time last year, the Padres could have traded Ross to a team like the Rangers for a decent prospect or two. Now they will get nothing for him.
A year ago, Henderson Alvarez got about 30 comments (admittedly including one by me, which I don’t remember, but just saw it when I looked up the MLBTR article, lol) saying about the same thing as 60 or so people on here. I’m not going to go so far as to call Ross’ career finished, and I expect he’ll get an incentive-laden one-year deal from someone, but I’d guess this isn’t as much of a gift from the Padres to the rest of the MLB as it appears.
Geez, this looks really bad for the Padres. Tyson Ross could have returned some decent chips – but they held onto him. Then he could have returned some semi-decent chips, but they held onto him. Now, there’s zero return and they look pretty stupid. Very, very few people disagreed with the thought that they should have moved him when he was worth something.
Once again Padres dropped the ball. They could have traded him a year or two ago and gotten something for him. But it could have been worse. He was scheduled for about $10 million in his final arbitration year and were probably not going to sign him after this year so essentially they save $10 million. This is similar to what the Pirates did with Pedro Alvarez last year. Given his history of injuries, nothing guaranteed the Padres he would even take the mound this year. Even though the Padres don’t have any true major league ready top prospects, they can certainly find cheaper one-year rentals who will actually pitch. This could open the door for a Clayton Richard and/or Edwin Jackson return. Richard, specifically, pitched well last year. Don’t rule out Luis Perdomo starting opening day. He was by far the most improved player from the beginning to the end of the season.
He also drooped the ball when he traded for Pomerantz and Margot.
That shoulder injury must be pretty bad for the Padres to cut him when his salary is less than $10 mil.
Tyson Ross immediately becomes the best FA starting pitcher in this weak offseason market…provided he is healthy enough to pitch in 2017.
Former White Sox prospect Erik Johnson also becomes a FA but will miss the entire 2017 season following October TJ surgery. Johnson, along with lower level prospect Fernando Tatis, was traded for James Shields last May, a deal in which the White Sox also received enough cash to pay off about half of Shields remaining contract. That trade may not as bad as once thought for the White Sox provided Shields can bounce back and be a serviceable back of the rotation pitcher.
I don’t know if that’s right. Rich Hill, for all of his injury issues, has at least pitched recently. And pitched EXTREMELY well. He’s commanded top spot – in a weak market – and Ross won’t top that.
You could argue that Ross’ ceiling is higher than Hill’s (maybe…just maybe), but his extreme health issues cannot be ignored. It’s not often Rich Hill is the healthier of two options.
“Tyson Ross immediately becomes the best FA starting pitcher in this weak offseason market…provided he is healthy enough to pitch in 2017”.
Pirates need to trade Cutch for Joe Ross and Victor Robles and then send Joe Ross and Ray Searage on a plane to pay a visit to Tyson Ross.
Cole Taillon Ross Ross _____. is a nice rotation.
Completely agree, especially if that 5th spot is a lefty that doesn’t need to be “fixed”.
I see the Padres are up to their old ways. They obviously covered up his medicals so he’d get cut and they could re-sign him for cheap.
He be good for Atlanta join the old farts
What happened, Preller? Couldn’t hide his medicals?
Sign him Red Sox!
All teams should pick up Ross…..wait , they didn’t release the full medicals , again.
Ouch
The Dodgers should get him if for no other reason than to break their ML record for players on the disabled list.
I read an article on CBS Sports that while the Dodgers had the most guys hit the DL and spent $80 million on guys that were on the DL, they didn’t have the most players days lost to the DL. Can’t remember who did. but I think it was the Athletics. I know the Padres were in the top 3 again.
That makes sense. The Padres had at least three players who missed basically the whole season (spangenberg, Erlin, and Ross), along with lengthy DL stints from morrow, jay, and that’s just off the top of my head.
But the Dodgers actually lost the most games to injury, followed closely by Oakland. Padres were 5th. Behind ATL and Texas.
This just doesn’t seem like a good idea.
Seems like he showed enough in the past that he’ll get one of those contracts that guarantees him MLB money, says he goes to big league spring training, and if he isn’t on the 25 man roster by July 1 he can opt out of his deal to sign elsewhere.
Why?! Ross was about the only consistent starter for the Padres and the only player we were looking forward to!!! Now, I think they’re throwing down the towel.
They threw in the towel before the WS was over. No way they were competing this year
How long ago was it that Ross was a coveted trade target?
I could see the Braves taking a shot at him if they can’t swing a deal for Sale.