8:59pm: The White Sox are still discussing Sale with other teams apart from Washington and a deal with anyone isn’t expected tonight, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets. An executive on another Sale suitor believes that the Nationals have an 80-20 shot of acquiring the southpaw, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports (Twitter link), while FanRag Sports’ Jon Heyman writes that “The Nationals have a clear lead over other teams” in the hunt for Sale’s services.
8:28pm: The White Sox and Nationals continue to be in talks about ace lefty Chris Sale, with FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal reporting (Twitter link) that there is a “legitimate chance” of a deal between the two sides. Talks appear to be rather advanced, as Rosenthal says the two sides have the “final pieces” to be worked out. The trade would involve top Nats prospects Lucas Giolito and Victor Robles as part of the return package headed to Chicago.
Giolito’s name was reportedly included in talks between the two sides earlier today, and while the Nats heavily value both he and Robles (D.C. turned down sending both to Pittsburgh for Andrew McCutchen), Washington’s willingness to include its two best non-Trea Turner trade chips is likely what has attracted Chicago’s attention.
Oh my
As if I haven’t checked my phone enough today….then they say this.
Seems real fishy to me that the Nationals are willing to trade Lucas Giolito. If hes soo great and regarded as the best pitching prospect in all of baseball then why trade him?? Seems a little redundant to me. Unless of course the Nationals think he might be damaged goods, which is what I think might be the case here. I’ve read a few articles that say some of the coaches and personnel of the nats noticed a drop in fastball velocity, as well as his pitches looking like they had more “life” down in the minors. Other folks also noticed a spike in walks and altered mechanics. These are all some of the signs that point to a potential elbow injury, which has become all too common with young pitchers who throw hard. I find it very unusal that the Nats have been saying that Giolito has “failed” for the first time in his professional career. I’d say Turner or bust for the Chi Sox.
Nothing about it spells worry about Giolito. The Nats are in win before 2018 mode, and Giolito is blocked by Scherzer, Strasburg, Roark, Ross, and Gio. If they get Sale, it’s more that they don’t have a spot for Giolito, not that something is wrong with him. He is not damaged goods by any means. Just a matter of being able to get a better pitcher right now that can help big time before Harper leaves. There’s a reason he is the number 1 pitching prospect in baseball.
So by your logic since there is no room for the best pitching prospect in all of baseball, just trade him because the nationals have no use for him?? huh makes no sense. For one Ross is absolutely no sure thing since he was on the DL for about 3 months. And Gio was for the most part inneffective for the majority of the first half. Roark is also due for some regression, the guy doesn’t strike anyone out and pitches way too much to contact to sustain such a low era. Those are 3 question marks in your rotation, now if Giolito is soo good why not insert him into the rotation and let the kid pitch, afterall he is a blue chip guy with nothing else to prove in the minors. I call bs, wouldn’t be suprised to see tommy john news if he does indeed get traded.
Yes, how dare Roark succeed based on an ability to induce weak contact instead of doing so via the almighty strikeout!
If he was ready, do you really think the Nats will say “oh you aren’t needed, we have Gio Gonzalez?” Gio is very expendable and the Nats would love to find someone to take him off their hands.
You my friend, are full of superstitious eyewash
I agree. Nationals want a top 5 proven pitcher on the cheap for 3 more years and won’t give up Turner??? I’d hang up the phone and wait for better offer.
Well hang up then. The better offer will not come. Sox are not getting anyone like Trea Turner in any deal from anyone. Good luck.
Mark don’t tease me man!
Mets rotation when healthy is debatably better.
Sale, Scherzer, Strasburg, Ross is a pretty unbelievable top 4. I like the Mets youngsters, but it’s not even close
Um…you’re forgetting Roark? The Nats rotation would be the best in baseball. Scherzer, Sale, Strasburg, Roark, and Ross/Gio depending on whether Ross is included. If he isn’t, Gio would be dealt somewhere else.
Will Strasburg be coming back and when? He is another injury prone pitcher.
No it’s not. Scherzer, Sale and Strasburg are all arguably better than anyone on the Mets. The rotations were probably close BEFORE a Sale trade. Sale might be the best of them all.
When are you referring? 2016 not.
2015 produced all of the arm fatigue and injuries in 2016.
Don’t count your eggs for 2017.
“TC” is famous for blowing out pitchers’ arms. See Johan Santana.
In fairness , Dusty Baker is known for doing the same thing.
all sales final
^ha
Nice job
man that rotation would be insane. next on their list if they get this done should be a closer
Maybe Robertson part of deal.
The Nats entire roster seems loaded and upper echelon, they just can’t seem to get it together. I quietly root for them and I hope this year they play my Stros in the WS.
NO PLEASE GOD IF THE STROS MAKE THE WORLD SERIES I DONT WANT THE NATS THERE
Why?
They’re kind of filthy. With Sale, if they land wieters and an outfield bat, plus a back end reliever, that roster would be better than the Cubs in my opinion.
I agree, I had the nats winning the WS this year… they add Sale, Cutch and a closer? Whew.
There is just one problem…Dusty Baker is terrible
I would think that Juan Soto or Andrew Stevenson will be in this deal as well. Both high potential OF.
I hope this is a haul!!!! Sale is a beast and the rest of the NL will soon find out.
Eaton also part of it and Jones if not Robertson.
Oh yah? Is Harper coming back with Giolito and Robles?
So wait, you think it’s possible the Nats are getting Sale, Eaton Robertson/Jones? I think you are confused, more would be going back to the WS. Giolito and Robles isn’t enough for a cheap Sale.
So you want Eaton and Jones/Robertson? At that point, the starting price better be Turner, Giolito, Robles, plus a lot more.
This is exactly the type of return the Sox need for Sale. Now if they can only get their on field guys to help develop some of these players…
Damn!
I really hope this happens just so all these rumors can finally end. As a Red Sox fan, i really think we should stay away from him anyway…
i hope he throws more temper tantrums and cuts up bryce harper
We get it, you hate Bryce Harper
Bryce Harper has a lot of growing to do… In the mental maturity department. He’s just un-likable as of now.
nope i actually think hes great…i hate the nats…yep you dont get it #tool
Annnnnd we found the bitter mets fan
bitter nope…its called a rivalry? every team you root for has a rival…just because you read my comments like a soap opera and then get all smug doesnt mean i’m bitter
I think everyone in the NL East wants the Nats to get this done. Waste your prospects on Sale instead of using them as pieces for Cutch. Cutch will make the Nats better. They thought they were going to win when they got Max but failed. Now they think they will win with Sale. Great rotation sure, but they are better off improving their offense.
Why is it so hard to look at actual stats and see that Cutch is done? He’s absolutely horrible in centerfield at this point. He’s the 3rd best CF’er in his own outfield at this point.
Rizzo needs to go to ownership and say the hell with it, if they are all in prospect wise to get Sale, might as well sign Fowler and either Chapman or Jansen too. Don’t half @ss it now.
Ill take Fowler over Cutch for overall game
because it’s that easy, i guess. “we’ll just sign the best free agents, it’s not like 29 other teams are calling on the same free agents…”
if the Nats offer them to most money in an “all-in” effort, they can probably get whoever they want
It could be since they can offer the same amount of money. Or, just use other prospects and go get Wade Davis. They have a lot of options.
money is nice, but it’s not always about money for free agents. sometimes the city and other outside factors play a role.
not saying Washington is a bad place to play or live, i’m just saying it’s usually more than money that sways opinions.
Just remember they couldn’t get a deal done with Cespedes done last year. Which was actually for more money. But had to be deferred. Thus bringing actual amount way down
But they were also in on Cespy this year, which means they likely had at least $25M to spend. That would cover Sale at $12.5M and leave around $13M after that. Granted, that has to cover a few positions. I don’t know what they have for money, but I know it’s a ton. Their owner is old and extremely rich, and even more importantly, wants to win.
Yup, and Sale clearly isn’t very good in a clubhouse.
You have no idea lol …….. He’s very well liked in white sox clubhouse ………
I would disagree. He had a moment where he seemed irrational but he was doing what was best for his team to win.
I would assume he was ignored the first 2 times he brought up the impractical uniforms which led him to the outburst.
The Sox put promotion first it was easy to see.
Im sure his teammates respected him for taking charge on something they likely agreed on.
Getting suspended is not “doing what is best for the team.”
Respect him for being a selfish moron? He is a clubhouse cancer. Sox should trade hims asap
Nats can sign Fowler to bat leadoff and take over CF. Fowler would be a better option than Cutch, IMO.
As a Mets fan I can assure you I don’t want this deal to get done. Prospects are never a sure thing.
Everyone else in the NL east is stupid then
Yep, agreed. The Nats failed last year because they didn’t have either Strasburg or Ramos in the playoffs for them. This won’t be the end of their moves either if it goes through. They will still get a closer and an OFer. But yeah, I’m sure the other 4 in the NL East will hate it if the Nats get Sale.
If Harper returns to form (not a guarantee it does happen, but he should play better) the offense will already be better. Even a slight regression from Murphy could be offset by Harper re-emerging and a full season from Turner.
Dang the nats are gonna be good but the white sox should all in sell now… They have the pieces to really build for the future.
I really don’t pay that much attention to the Nationals other then what my brother tells me as they are his favorite team. But I think that keeping Giolito will end up helping the team a lot more than Sale will, I’d be fine with trading Robles and more top prospects for him they need to keep Giolito.
I think that trading Giolito will definitely end up biting them in the rear. I badly wanted the Astros to draft him, but I’m plenty happy with Correa and McCullers that we plucked in the same draft.
I love rumors but this will not happen
Replying to this so that If it happens we can all publicly shame you.
+1
I am very excited to not hear any more Chris Sale rumors and speculation. Please let it be done.
Amen
I hope the Nats pull it off where my braves will leave him alone
It’s funny because the Pirates thought they could get both of those guys for Cutch
OF market is weak at best
What would be your take on the starting pitching market then? Rich Hill is the top available free agent pitcher.
also weak. this is a sellers market..they should be asking for as much as possible for any commodity
I’m under the impression that Hill re-signed with the Dodgers?
Except for the fact that Rich Hill isn’t available. Wake up.
OF market it weak? There are definitely some options, including Fowler, Desmond, and Bautista. I actually think all could be good fits in different ways. In the case of Bautista, only if he has to settle for a small contract because I wouldn’t want him long term. But you have Fowler and Desmond who could play CF, or you could use Bautista in RF and move Harper to CF for a year and hope Jose bounces back. If he could, he would be great protection behind Harper in the lineup.
it’s also interesting how Nats fans think Cutch is basically Brian Bixler 2.0 and wouldn’t offer anything of even remote value for him.
You’re not trading for MVP Cutch, you’re trading for old can’t play CF anymore Cutch
i guess Cutch should just retire. we heard it here from “jasbcar”, folks! he’s washed up, can’t even play.
yikes, this website’s commenters.
Not washed up, but probably not his old self. He is on the wrong side of 30 and he has declined a lot. More like not worth the risk if you’re asking for Giolito and Robles plus others for Cutch. At that rate, they can just go sign Fowler, who had a better season than Cutch and will cost about the same in terms of money. Just a smart move on the Nats part. There are plenty of outfield options available as FAs.
Didn’t say he was done as in retire done, but he’s the 3rd best CF’er on his own team now… Do you even pay attention to defensive metrics? He was horrible in CF last season.
Yea commenters like “domaug” that cant read. You jumped from him saying Cutch cant play CF anymore to thinking he said Cutch cant play at all. Huge leap there.
U gotta be kidding me
Not sure if this means giolito and Robles in the same deal or as starting points in different deals. As the Nats, I’d would take it if it’s only one, not if it’s both. On the Sox side, I would obviously take bit and at this point, strongly consider just one (plus other lesser pieces). They seem just a little desperate to unload him based on previous information
It could mean eaton or Robertson is also involved.
I can guarantee you Eaton is not involved.
Yep, I agree. That would have to be a massive haul, and would definitely include Turner. Those two in a deal would never happen. Maybe Robertson though.
The White Sox aren’t pairing up Eaton with any other major trade piece. They can get more for Eaton and Sale in seperate trades than just one trade. Unless that Eaton/Sale deal is bringing back a Trout/Kris Bryant/Kershaw type of player, no chance they move both in the same deal.
You’re nuts. CWS require most of a team for Sale. I wouldn’t think Eaton or anyone else on the table for him.
Haha the CWS require most of a team for Sale? Haha. Ok. Enjoy Sale. Cannot wait til they move him so I can see the team of players coming back. Lol
Giolito and Robles don’t get you Sale with 3 years of very affordable salary. it would take at least 3 more high level prospects. If I’m the White Sox I demand Turner plus Ramos and minor prospects. If I’m the Nationals I would not trade Turner for anyone. Also, the White Sox are in no way desperate to trade Sale.
Now thats just outrageous. You want the Nats to trade Turner AND someone who is a free agent? Sox should definitely start with Ramos as the centerpeice. If they pull that off they will win the next 25 World Series.
How do the Nationals trade Ramos? That would really be something since he is not even on the Nationals! You dont really follow baseball too much I guess
prospects are just prospects until they either suck, are mediocre, or really pan out…very few pan out…i think white sox should ask for the world
I agree that prospects are usually over rated and its the guys like Duvall, who weren’t on the top of the list that teams end up regretting that they traded.
Oh they will
Ask for the world and all you get back are prospects or keep him. Sale is not getting you the world
you do know theres a difference between asking and actually getting right?
Lol at the CWS fans who thought they would get a trea, Bregman, or Swanson centered deal.
This seems a bit light, but if they get backs other armor two and a bat, then it’s about on track IMO.
I’m a Sox fan and I wouldn’t center a package around Bregman or Turner either but Swanson “off limits was a joke”. I would take this over almost any other proposed trade rumors I saw. You’re getting a guy who was a top 3 prospect in all of baseball last year and Robles is a top 20 guy with 5 tool potential plus probably another piece or two. This is better than anything Atlanta could offer including Dansby. Now if Boston offers Moncada, JBJ and Kopesch……
Thank god it appears the Red Sox aren’t going to do that.
If the trade doesn’t involve any team’s number 1 it’s a loss.
That’s all relative speaking. No teams come to mind, but if the gap between a team’s #1 and #2 prospect is minimal, then you’re essentially getting a player of equivalent value. Also, you’re telling me that if the Nats offered the other 29 prospects (except their #1 overall) in their top 30 prospect rankings, that it would be a loss for the acquiring team?
Ok so the Angels can get Sale by headline their number one prospect then. Ok good move. Lol
Still not enough
agreed
Sale is going to the Braves
I hope not
Breaking: Markakis, Smith, and International Bonus slot money for Sale and PBTL.
Please no. Take him WSH.
Why? The Braves aren’t one ace away from being a playoff team, and they’d have to trade the very players they’re counting on to rebuild in order to get him. The Braves trading for Sale would be the same mistake the Padres made two years ago: “going for it” before they’re actually ready. Given 3-5 years, the Braves can be a contender again if they don’t make dumb, panicky moves. But if they do, they’ll just hover around mediocrity (75-85 wins) for the next 5 years without ever transcending it.
Is the Braves window really that far away? I agree that they shouldn’t trade for Sale but I would think their window should be open in 3 years (like the majority of their guys should be established in the majors by that point). If their window isn’t opening until 4-5 years from now, then either they should start unloading the prospects they have for younger prospects or Braves’ fans here are seriously overvaluing their prospects.
3 years is plausible, assuming the Braves still have the prospects to build on. If they trade for Sale, many of those prospects will be gone (to the White Sox). That’s my point. Sale has 3 years left on his contract, so the only teams that should try to trade for him are ones that are likely to contend within the next three years, *given* that they’ll have to give up a big chunk of their prospects to get him.
Do you think Quintana is next to go??
I can see the Braves going after Quintana instead of meeting Sale’s asking price.
Then they won’t be happy. His asking price isn’t going to be much less, if any, than Sale’s. He doesn’t get they hype because he doesn’t have the elite stuff, but his numbers have been nearly as good, and he’s on an even more team friendly deal. He won’t be much of a discount.
I would love to see Quintana with the Braves.
as a sox fan im disappointed that a tommy john pitcher is the headliner.
Sale, Robertson for Giolito, Robles, Ross, Taylor, Severino
I could see that trade happening.
And turner
Lol I like the way you try to sneak him in there. Deal.
add a couple of solid prospects to Giolito and Robles and i think its fair, id hope for the sox, that Voth is one of them, and severino, thats pretty equal.
Chicago wants out and know with his temper tantrums and a delivery that could result in arm issues the time is now.
Chicago wants out because Chris Sale has told Kenny Williams off multiple times
chicago wants out because they are an anemic franchise with an atrocious farm system causing them to trade their core from the big league roster that underwhelms year in and year out so they can build something sustainable. probably idk
I still don’t think they need sale, giving up Giolito and Robles is huge. They should go after a catcher. Maybe bp pieces and possibly another OF. I don’t think adding sale is bad, but it’s just not needed for them
The problem is that no catcher option on the free agent market is going to be a difference maker for them and trading for a catcher to fill said difference maker spot would probably cost Giolito and Robles anyway.
I heard the trade was finalized pending Sale’s approval of the Nats’ throwback uniforms.
Not funny
I think it’s funny
Haha
If someone cuts an Expos jersey Jonah Keri may go after them.
“Talks start with Harper, Giolito, Robles, Trea, and the Lincoln Memorial or else Hahn just hangs up the phone.”
“Giolito, Robles, Lopez, and Fedde are untouchable. We’ll give you 2 guys in the 5-10 range and a couple right around 20. That should be enough for a pitcher whose arm is going to explode in the next 2 years.”
Whats funny is people have been saying his arm is going to fall off for the last 3 years haha.
Wow talk about going all in. Better get a ring or two out of it. They will instantly become favorites with the Cubs in 2017.
So it sounds like no Swanson no trea Turner but looks like someone is still getting sale….hmmmn
Hope he likes the Nats jerseys…..
“The Nationals are a perfect fit for Sale; they’re too new of a team to have throwback uniforms.”
I’m going to quote that so often if it ends up happening. Did I first read it here?
Haha
Umm…Washington Senators, Expos….take your pick.
Haha
If this happens the Cubs might regret not getting more involved in the Chris Sale discussions. If finalized, it may also persuade them to push for a trade involving Chris Archer just to keep pace with the Nationals rotation, not only in 2017 but beyond when both Jake Arrieta and John Lackey become free agents next offseason. Either way, the Cubs would then have to part with a player like Kyle Schwarber or Javier Baez.
As a fan of both teams, Chris Sale and both young players, I’d have preferred the Cubs and White Sox deal with each other. Public relations and politics are apparently more important in Chicago than a sensible trade that could have helped both clubs in both the short and long term.
I said last off season that Sox should go after Schwaber but people laughed at me. Ideal DH
I don’t see a guy that can catch, can play OF wanting to DH.
Agreed. And if he is instantly moving to DH, his value goes down a bit since he’s only a bat at that point (albeit a very good one).
I mean, technically speaking, everyone “can catch” and “can play OF.” That doesn’t mean they are any good at it. It’s not about him wanting to DH; it’s about that being his best fit by far.
Keeping pace with over-extending isn’t particularly wise.
Trading Giolito, etc… takes WSH out of the Shohei Otani sweepstakes.
Rizzo needs a WS to keep his job. Theo? Not so much.
How would this take Washington out of Otani? That wouldn’t be until the end of next year if even that. He has all sorts of rules in place against him under the CBA and having to be over 25.
Why do you state in ever post that you are a fan of both teams. We get it. No one cares though.
Cubs could care less what the Sox and Nationals do. No regret. Who cares. As for Archer they are already trying to get him for their own reasons. None of which have anything to do with keeping pace with anyone.
I hope this happens. Then maybe the Sox would go ahead and trade Eaton to the Cardinals. lol
Wow, it looks like this deal might get done, a good trade is one that is good for both teams, and this one could be. Sale gives the Nats the playoff staff that can win the world series and Giolitto, Robles, and others would give the Sox a good start in a rebuild. If they can get2 other good pieces like Glover, Taylor, or Cole.they will have done well. The key is the Sox will have to keep going and trade off some other players.
Who is closing out games for the Nats in the World Series with no Melancon.
Perhaps David Robertson in an expanded trade with the White Sox.
Good luck with him as your closer. A good pitcher, but not better than Davis, Chapman, or Jansen. Robertson blew quite a few games for Sale last year..
My guess is they also check in on Wade Davis and then sign someone like Fowler to take over CF. And then depending on whether or not Ross is involved, you might see a follow-up trade dealing away Gio.
reunite with Papelbon, lol, they wont have any trade chips left…
It will be interesting to see who signs Papelbon….
I hope nobody. I don’t like Papelbon at all. Pretty sure no one will be on him after his deal with Harper. Choking out the MVP that happens to be on your own team never sits well with teams… on top of all of his other crap.
There doesn’t seem to be too many takers, but he could be an ok 8th innings guy for a lot of teams. I don’t like either Papelbon or Harper, they’re both full of themselves.
Sale pulls a Randy Johnson!
If Taylor is in the deal it would be pathetic. I wouldn’t want him in a straight up deal for Kenny Williams and a used urinal cake.
If the mats go for both sale and mccutchen these trades will hurt later on especially since they are trading their top prospect
Nats
I don’t think they can get both Cutch and Sale
The trades would obviously hurt 3, 4, 5 years down the line. But a trade for Cutch and Sale means they are going all-in. If they were able to win a ring, it would be worth it. Same thinking as the Chapman deal. Cubs paid a high price, but they won the WS so in the end, the deal is a success.
Does Giolito, Robles, Fedde, and Neuse get it done? I’d take that as a Sox fan…
Hopefully someone else hears this and panics. Not a huge fan of this move (if it’s made).
Sox better get more than that for Sale
They have to get one or two actual MLB players and then prospects. For every Strasburg or Kris Bryant prospect there are thousands of busts. Sale has dirt cheap contract
Why do the Sox need actual MLB players right now? A Sale trade signals a rebuild, in which case prospects are the better haul. I agree that there are thousands of busts, but as the Sox are currently constructed, a current MLB young player (or at least a guy who is a reasonable expectation to be called up this year) would not be a fit because he won’t be helping them compete.
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 7m7 minutes ago
Sources: #RedSox checked in today with #WhiteSox on Sale. Dombrowski said no “driving” force to add SP, but not necessarily one-team race.
You guys gonna demote Tanner Roark yet again? The Reds will take him. Since you guys clearly don’t value him at all and haven’t for years. Dusty likes to take players from his former teams. Lets make a deal!
More like they deal Ross for a CF or closer, or heck, maybe hes in the deal for Sale
Probably right, but this team was so ridiculous for demoting him before I like to clown on them for it. He should’ve been treated like an all-star not a scrub.
Roark will still be in the rotation even after they get Sale
This is fake just to hype up people ive heard this before when theirs a chance at a trade and then the trade doesnt happen at all
Be nice if they include Tanner Roark in the deal
If Turner is out, the Astros need to get back in there with their top prospects not named Bregman.
Just a theory.
Brewers get Chris Sale, Jose Quintana, and David Robertson
White Sox get Ryan Braun, Wily Peralta, Jimmy Nelson, Tyler Thornborg, Scooter Gennett, Junior Guerra, Tyler Cravy, Brett Phillips and one other prospect
I hope that’s a joke.
lol, that is one laughable offer
Hahaha! While I like to just come hear and read/laugh at some of the trades/offers. this is clearly the most ludicrous proposal Ive ever heard. Do you want deep dish pizza and italian beef thrown in too for a pile of moldy cheese?
Brewers have to throw in free tickets down the slide in their park or no deal.
I’m hoping that this is true for the sake of the Braves.
No other team in major league baseball gets fleeced like the damn White Sox. The Yankees demand elite prospects for a couple relievers, yet the Sox can’t get Turner in exchange for one of the best pitchers in baseball? It’s a damn shame, and once again I am ashamed to be a White Sox fan. Kenny Williams and his entire F$@!ing staff are imbeciles.
Or maybe Trea Turner has 6 years of control after being arguably the best player in the sport for half a season?
Half a season? Dude, educate yourself on Chris Sale’s career and get back me.
No matter how clear the path is for the Chicago White Sox, that front office always finds a way to screw it up. They’ve set this franchise back a decade with their lack of vision or resolve.
Couldn’t agree with you more.. not only is sale one of the best pitchers in baseball, his contract could have the most value as well. But yet it doesn’t seem*** that the white sox can get the value in the return that Sale could command in a trade. Can’t wait until Jerry sells the team…
As a Sox Fan I agree. If Robles and Giolito headline a trade I will be really disappointed. Giolito has already had Tommy John and Robles is 19 an in A ball.
If the Sox trade Sale, would you consider them to be in a rebuilding phase? If so, a guy like Robles, who is probably 2-3 years away from the majors, makes sense (given his high value). I feel like Giolito, who definitely comes with his own risks, plus Robles and two other top prospects (not named Turner) is fair for Sale. The problem with evaluating a value for Sale is that everyone is using the Shelby Miller deal as a baseline. Sale is obviously much better than Miller but expecting a trade that is light years better than the Miller haul is just unreasonable. I know the Sox don’t have to trade Sale, but I think some of the urgency on the Sox’s part is because of all the talk of Sale’s potential injury waiting to happen (which is not a guarantee to happen, and I hope does not happen as a baseball fan) and because waiting to trade him another year just lowers his value.
The Sox need young position players with high ceilings to rebuild around, not more pitchers they’ll have to eventually trade for the former.
oh gosh. Just try to imagine a healthy Strasbury, Scherzer, Sale, And Gio Gonzalez/Ross/Roark
As a Braves fan, I want this deal done as soon as possible. Mainly because I don’t want Coppollela to make a mad dash to up the ante and put a wrecking ball on our farm system, because I don’t see us as a contender in 2017 with or without Sale. Meaning only 2 years of control even if all of the dominoes fall in our favor after 2017. Really makes for a short window. The Nationals if they add Sale will be World Series contenders for the next couple of years barring some major injuries or poor performances, but it definitely puts a clock on their contention window, and depending on the price they will have to pay in prospects. The roster will have to do for the whole season, because they will have a fairly weak system that might not be able to garner any considerable MLB talent after The South Siders raid their farm in this trade.
Still a chance for another team. This is where Rick Hahn needs to be the “used car salesman” and b.s. his way to the best offer for Sale. Keep Kenny Williams out of it and let my “bro’s”, Hahn and owner Jerry Reinsdorf haggle with the other buyers. lol
As a Braves fan I don’t see how the Braves are ok with letting the Nats get Sale. Braves obviously can package Inciarte, folty, Alvie’s and land Sale. Let males Smith play CF and go out and sign Trumbo for LF.
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I’m a Braves fan and I’m more than ok with it. Getting Sale is the wrong move for the Braves. If the Nats want him then more power to them, it will make them incredibly legit WS contenders but it will most likely shorten their contention window given the cost in prospects.
We have too many questions to make a Chris Sale trade make sense. We have holes at Catcher, 2nd Base, 3rd Base (is a question if Adonis can hit well again and improve defensively). 2/5ths of our rotation can realistically only be counted on for innings more than ERA. Bullpen is a question mark. The team really only showed a spark on offense for the last 6-8 weeks of the season. These Braves could acquire someone like Sale for a heavy prospect cost, get no where in 2017 by doing so, or hope Dickey, Colon, Garcia and a few others play well enough to be commodities at the deadline. Add to our farm, and maybe even make a play for Arrieta next offseason with the nice amount of payroll space The Braves will have at their disposal. I think it makes a lot more sense to pass on Sale, because it is looking like by the time we are truly competitive that he will have 2 years or less on his current contract and that doesn’t seem appealing if we had to not only mortgage our future but trade it away.
The Braves are still a year or two out of contention in my mind, so they could be alright with it. By the time they are ready to compete, Sale will probably be out of the NL East again. Yes, the Braves have made progress, but they are still young and not near the level of the Nationals or Mets for the division, let alone the other teams in the NL for the Wild Card. I think the Giants take the West and the Nats take the East, which means you have to also be better than the Dodgers, Mets, Rockies (who will have a healthy Story back), the DBacks, Cardinals, Pirates, and Marlins. I don’t see them getting there this year.
any trade of sale must include Kenny Williams.
DEAL! And I’d even let you keep Robles.
If this trade happens. As of now, and more than likely the remainder of The Offseason. This will give The Nationals the dreaded, pre-season, “World Series Favorites” tag which we all know works out rarely for teams though The Cubs did defy this year.
Alright, Rick. Let’s call it a night. Let everyone sleep on it thinking that the Nats are extremely close to finalizing a deal. Try to get someone to make a panic move in the morning.
Yes, especially the Cubs who should be panicking if Sale goes to the Nats.
Cubs are champs… Definitely not panicking. You always suggest dumb trades for Cubs and white sox. Please stop
Such as?
Did it ever dawn on you that being a lifelong Cub and White Sox fan cancels out my bias when discussing trades between the two Chicago clubs?
That’s OK because I get this from the fans on both sides of town who do exhibit prejudice toward their team, players and prospects…as would be expected.
What would you think is a good trade for sale from Cubs?
Schwarber, Soler and Happ.
You being a fan of both teams does not cancel out anything. God your ego is enormous. You think you are so special. You are not. Your lack of knowledge is not offset by you being a lifelong fan of both teams. God you are so annoying
Why would the Cubs panic? Do you know anything about baseball or do you just like to make dumb comments and qualify them with your famous line that you are a fan of both teams and no one cares
Hitting wins games, pitching wins championships
This is an oversimplification. In baseball you need hitting, pitching and defense to win a championship.
MLB sources saying nationals to part with #3 overall prospect Giolito P, # 10 overall prospect Robles OF, # 37 overall prospect Lopez P, #75 overall prospect Fedde P, nationals #5 prospect Kieboom SS, and nationals #7 prospect Neuse 3B for Chris Sale.
Jeeze. That’d certainly qualify as “selling the farm.”
Eh, if that’s true and they can actually get Sale without giving up their top two prospects, then that’s a deal most teams would be willing to do.
Are you counting their top 2 as Turner and Ross?
Giolito and Robles aren’t there top 2 prospects now?
What’s the source?
PASS.
Also PASS
… Or the Nationals could just trade Giolito and maybe one other major league ready player to get Verlander AND get the Tigers to pay about $10MM/Year.
Of course JV and Scherzer probably don’t send each other Xmas cards, but JV does not have the competitiveness issues that Sale has.
I would love to hear about this “competitiveness issue.” Please enlighten us all…
JV does have one thing that CS doesn’t have…KU! lol
What competitive issues are you talking about? Laughable
Nats also need a closer.
Robertson and Sale.
Robles and Giolitio and others?
I feel like the Nats still need an outfielder, maybe they can sign one?
Make it an historic blockbuster with the White Sox also including Melky Cabrera, a professional hitter who switch-hits and can play LF..
You have to be a north sider
Two prospects for a top 5 starter and one of the best closers in baseball? You are joking, right.
If Turner is not going back in the deal then the white sox should say no
Think Sale will end up being traded for less than all are speculating. In turn will leave some an bases going “really?”
Sox will walk first.
I believe the White Sox will set the bar at “Shelby Miller” Trade and then some. Rightfully so I might. That trade really has made GMs shoot for the moon, but of course neither side wants to be The Dave Stewart in that scenario.
The HUGE, overlooked difference is that Chris Sale is SIGNIFICANTLY better than Shelby Miller has ever been. The only way they come out looking like Dave Stewart is if Sale gets hurt. Otherwise, the chances of Sale dropping off a cliff like Miller are extremely slim to none. So even if they “lose” the deal, they can’t lose THAT badly.
Players I mentioned above with white sox throwing in Robertson is current hang up. White sox were only willing to trade sale here. Talks to resume tomorrow.
Where are you reading this?
Non-Sale related “news” for those Sox fans out there… Rockies are apparently interested in Abreu.
Cmon get this deal done so I don’t have to worry about DD jumping in.
I’m guessing that’s the exact reason Hahn hasn’t pulled the trigger yet haha. He’s going to make you sweat it out until the morning most likely.
Twitter mlb beat writers. All speculation that I’m just putting on here goplen05.
So question for all the Sox fans…if they were to trade Sale would you guys be seeing the team as going into a rebuild? Because I totally get that the Sox don’t need to take a lesser offer and hold all the leverage here and that a prospect like Bregman/Swanson/Turner is the desired headliner. And even though all three of those guys are still young and controllable, what makes a deal starting with a team’s other top prospects unappealing to you? I’d imagine that acquiring 4-5 top prospects would be a fair offer even if the deal is excluding the team’s best young player. I would think that a deal involving three or four top 100 prospects and another one or two top 10-15 organizational prospects would be more appealing than say a team’s #1 prospect, another top prospect, and one or two mid tiered prospects.
I’m asking this as a Mariners fan so I couldn’t really care about what the Astros/Braves/Nationals/Red Sox/etc give up and I just hope the White Sox get a relatively fair and good offer. Maybe I’m just missing it, but I just don’t see what the holdup is over insisting that another team give up their top prospect/young player that is a projected cornerstone of the organization.
I as a White Sox fan want a teams number one prospect because in general they are more projectable. All prospects are hit or miss, but the more highly regarded the better chance they have of making an impact in the MLB. Also, the Sox want those players for the same reason those teams do not want to get ride of them they could be potential franchise players.
A player of Chris Sales talent and contract value has not been traded, at least not recently. He might be the most valuable pitcher in the MLB when you account for the great contract.
That is why no team should have an untouchable prospect if you are trying to acquire Sale.
Look, this isn’t rocket science. If the Sox blow this team up by trading their ace, they’re going to seek an equitable return. They’ll need young, controllable, high ceiling position players to rebuild and hopefully be ready to contend in three years or so. Every team in their position would do the same. Sale is 27 years old with a few years left on a relatively cheap contract. No need to over analyze this, it’s fairly simple.
It is fairly simple, which is why I’m a bit confused. Using your window of three years or so (I’d imagine two at the least, but that is probably generous), wouldn’t Robles, who could reasonably be expected to be near ML-ready if not already there by that time, be a fine a headliner, and replacement for Turner, paired with Giolito? Again, I completely understand wanting a prospect of Turner’s stature, but that three year wait to contend would put Turner close to free agency (off by what, two maybe three years of arbitration assuming he doesn’t sign an extension) possibly limiting the window. A guy like Robles on the other hand would have more control by the start of that window.
Per Nightengale on Twitter = The #Whitesox did not come close to trading Chris Sale tonight but acknowledge the #Nats were very aggressive in proposals
Looks like we’re in for at least one more long day of this.
I think a lot of white sox fans don’t trust the front office, Therefore they want atleast a “cant-miss” prospect because knowing the FO they’d find a way to screw it up. I think compared to Shelby miller is what at bare minimal is what should be received maybe more but every knows the Diamondbacks got fleeced/bad trade. I think considering that sale is a really team friendly team and a Top 10 Pitcher. I’m hoping someone gets desperate and overpays as the White Sox need all the help they can get
I think the Sale deal they’ll be done by the end the week, White Sox want to get this done by training camp.
Just read a report on Bleacher Report that Gio Gonzalez to the Yankees is in the works. Possibly an indication that a deal for Chris Sale is in place.
Guess not!