THURSDAY, 12:39pm: If the Marlins don’t land Jansen, they could turn to another free agent, Neftali Feliz, according to MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro (on Twitter). The 28-year-old Feliz is coming off a good year with the Pirates (3.52 ERA, 10.2 K/9, 3.5 BB/9) and has closing experience. He should also be considerably cheaper than Jansen.
7:50am: Rival executives don’t expect the Dodgers to match the Marlins’ offer, per Andy McCullough of the Los Angeles Times (Twitter link).
7:15am: The Nationals are now “making a push” for Jansen, reports FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal (Twitter links). However, the Nats are “uncomfortable” with the financial commitment it would take to land him, tweets Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post. The club has previously used deferrals as a way to help sign big-money players like Max Scherzer and Stephen Strasburg, but that’s unlikely to work this time, per Rosenthal.
WEDNESDAY: The Marlins have made an offer of five years and more than $80MM to free agent closer Kenley Jansen, Yahoo! Sports’ Jeff Passan tweets. The Marlins were reportedly the runners-up to acquire Aroldis Chapman, who agreed to a five-year, $86MM deal with the Yankees late tonight. Now, with Chapman off the table, it appears they’re trying to lure Jansen with a similarly huge offer. Barring an unforeseen turn of events, Jansen seems likely to pick the Marlins (where he’d be reunited with former manager Don Mattingly and teammates Dee Gordon and A.J. Ellis) or re-sign with the Dodgers.
Jansen doesn’t have Chapman’s spectacular velocity, but he’s a dominating reliever in his own right — he’s coming off a season in which he posted a 1.83 ERA, 13.6 K/9 and an incredibly low 1.4 BB/9 in 68 2/3 innings with the Dodgers. He’s had a much quieter career than Chapman has, but there’s no arguing his tremendous career numbers, including a 2.20 ERA, 13.9 K/9 and 2.6 BB/9.
Still, it’s somewhat surprising to hear that he’s received at least one contract offer similar to Chapman’s deal, which broke the previous record for a relief pitcher contract by $24MM. The recent offers he, Chapman and Mark Melancon have received have been stratospheric, reflecting a trend throughout the industry of increasing salaries for dominant relievers.
It’s also somewhat odd that the Marlins (who won just 79 games last season and recently lost former ace Jose Fernandez under tragic circumstances) are ready to make such an enormous investment in a closer, even a great one. Jansen, who rejected a qualifying offer from the Dodgers, would also cost the Marlins their top 2017 draft pick, No. 13 overall.
Jansen has a better chance at the World Series with the Dodgers then the Marlins.
That’s not always the deciding factor for a free agent. Sometimes it’s just the $$$.
How much $$$$ makes a difference at that amount. Take a little less to be a champ. Either way it’s an obscene payday.
The money is more important than the winning. Also, no state tax in Florida versus one of the highest in California.
wait man, it’s the marlins. Sign for most $$$ and wait for 1 year til they trade you. DUH
I’m with you. I don’t see any way someone’s life could be any different with 5 million dollars than it would with 6, much less 80 rather than 72 or whatever.
These salaries are making me turn the tv on less and less and the years go on.
Back to the point though, unless you’re signing a 1 mil contract rather than league min I’d want to play somewhere I could win, or live where I want to.
The thing about state tax is you write it off your federal tax. Also, in baseball, the tax money depends on where they earn their work. So you’re arguing that 81 (state tax free) days in Florida is that much more valuable than 81 days in LA.
Kenley has stated he’s seeking a pay day. He’s got an island of influence in Curacao. I just hope he appreciates being paid very good as opposed to astronomically well.
Same here. The higher the salaries go, the less enamored I am with sports. The players have every right to make this much money, but it is getting past the point of crazy. I can’t take my family to watch a Cowboy game in person for less than $750. At that price I’d rather just stay home or go on a vacation.
Salaries don’t drive ticket prices, the demand for tickets drives ticket prices. The owners of these sports franchises will charge the customers as much as the customers are willing to fork over. What you are really saying, without perhaps recognizing it, is the owners should keep that revenue. Are they more deserving somehow?
No it doesn’t it based on your teams home city not road splits
Jansen would have a better shot at a World Series appearance with the Brooklyn Dodgers than he does with the hapless Marlins.
I think he is tired of that promise
When was the last time the Dodgers won a World Series? Pretty sure the Marlins have two Championships since the last time the hapless Dodgers have even been to one.
And this is your argument for the Dodgers needing to sign Jansen? Quite the non-sequitur…
Not at all. As weak as the Marlins have been over that period they have managed to win a couple of championships. Probably because they, like, made the effort. So it’s a fair call.
I guess spending $250,000,000 each year for the past 5 years isn’t “making the effort?” Please…
What a sad, tired argument, to which we all know the answer (not the least of which is, it isn’t even true). Got anything else?
It’s only sad and tired because you don’t seem to get that the Dodgers do in fact have restrictions.
That was deep.
This is such a tired argument.
Angry fanbase: Dodgers don’t care unless they sign Cespedes, trade the farm for Sale, and re-sign Hill, Jansen, and Turner.
Of course they “care”. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be spending over a BILLION on payroll over 4 years. Argue all you want about HOW it has been spent, but does anyone really think these guys aren’t trying to put the best team together that they can while not completely bankrupting the organization?
$47 million in dead money this year. Kazmir, Ethier, and McCarthy combining for another $47 million. That’s a whole team’s payroll.
You are pasting together random opinions to make a hyperbolic argument that nobody actually owns. Not me, that’s for sure.
A couple of things we know, or at least should know. First, is that a large share of that money is going/has gone to players who are on the payroll but now play somewhere else (or not at all). So this goes to the non-hyperbolic part of your question about about how the money is/was spent.
The second is the reason why this team has been blown out of the postseason four consecutive years, and more than any other, it is because of relief pitching. It’s a chronic problem that has not been addressed, and one that figures to get worse this year if they let Jansen go.
Third, every FO deserves to be known for the work they actually do, not for some plan they may have. Their free agent signings are underwhelming (and often enough, just plain bad), and their deadline trades have been pretty awful, on a whole. For better or worse they own it.
Finally, with revenues over $400M a year, the realistic danger of them “completely bankrupting” seems pretty close to zero, don’t you think? But then I suppose that was just another hyperbolic argument that’s supposed to seal the discussion. Yet somehow, it doesn’t quite.
But I’d rather live in Fla than Cali
Why though? They have Ramos. Just let him close. Unless they want Jansen to start for them.
Why wouldn’t you want more than one dominant back end bullpen piece after what we just saw in the World Series?
Because the Marlins were a 79 win team last year. Adding KJ doesn’t turn them into a World Series contender, especially with the loss of Fernandez… Having a dominant backend of the bullpen is pretty much a waste on a bad team – just ask the Yankees last year. But hey, maybe he won’t get a no trade and they can ship him out at the deadline.
I’d they do sign him, that would shorten games by another inning, same method Indians used last year and Royals before that. A dominate bullpen changes many games outcomes. Stop hating on teams trying to get better.
Getting through 7 seems more important than dominating the 8th and 9th.
No hate. Not my money. Gotta make it to the playoffs before you can do what the Indians and Royals did. That’s not a year=round thing…
The difference is that the Indians also had a good rotation….MIA doesn’t.
Marlins, won 79 games last year and didn’t have a Chapman, Betances or Miller in their bullpen. While the Yankees with the trio had 5 more wins. So imagine ho w many more wins they could have with Ramos and Jensen at the backend of the bullpen
Ahhhh hey Lamar, they also had this one pitcher. May be you heard him. José Fernandez? Yeah he’s not there anymore. So take at least 15/20 wins away from that.
There is no way Marlins sign him to that money and give home a no trade clause! No way!!
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If they can get their bullpen to be able to pick up four innings, then their starters only need to do 5. That’s the whole strategy of it.
Having a dominant bullpen is what made the KC Royals a great team. KC did not have a good rotation.
Sure dipshit but they had a lot better team. TEAM TEAM TEAM. addind KJ does not make the Marlins a World Series contender, jackass.
That’s why they need Jansen more. It’s more expensive (longer) to build a great rotation than starting with albeit expensive relievers that don’t cost nearly as much as a shutdown starter, owning the last-third of the game, not unlike 2015 KC Royals (Herrera, Wade Davis, Greg Holland). Honestly, it’s not a bad approach when you’re in the circumstance they’re in (having lost Jose Fernandez, shallow farm system, etc.).
Not a lot better team. The marlins position player core is pretty strong if everyone plays close to their potential next season.
JohnnyDoger, yes I know who was and what he meant to the team. Sure you can’t replace his 15 wins – But hoping with any starter replacing Fernandez can get them at least 10 wins and with a dominating closer they can add to their win totals.
The Marlins had 84 save opportunities in 2016. More than half of their total games played resulted in a save opportunity in the late innings. They blew 29 total saves last year. Yes, they should sign Kenley Jansen.
I think it’s a matter of time before he unfortunately signs with the Marlins. I hope I’m wrong but I do not think so. I’ve been saying it for a few days now that I think they’ll get him and this seems like they are really making that push now.
Please don’t do it, Kenley! Stay in LA! Lol.
It’s gotta be Miami, sad to see him go.. but i just don’t see LA going to the 90 mark for Jansen. Miami won’t win games enough to utilize Jansen, but at least he’ll get his payday.
I completely agree with you Tommy. I hate to say it but I agree. I think he’d have a better shot at winning in LA but he’s gotta go where the money is I guess.
And why is the money in Miami, instead of in LA?
Not saying the money is in Miami and not LA but if Miami is offering that much money and LA doesn’t then he has to take I would think. I just don’t see our Dodgers offering that much money. Trust me when I tell you that I hope I am wrong but I don’t know
The question is why a team in a bargain basement baseball town can come up with the bucks to sign a top closer when LA lets the first, second, third and fourth best options slip right through their fingers.
They’ll come up with the money and he’ll end up closing for Toronto next year.
I completely agree with you BlueSkyLA! I just don’t understand! Why? I honestly thought if we didn’t get Jansen back we would get one of the other two big free agent closers or trade for Wade Davis. What the heck are we going to do if he walks? Get that Robertson guy? I don’t really like him honestly.
Well there’s always Holland, the long-shot retread. He should be nice n’ cheap.
Because of the luxury tax. They still have to try and resign Turner.
You know why. The CBA is very restrictive on the Dodgers. We can’t keep everyone.
Come to the Nats! Better chance of winning their than Miami or LA.
Didn’t the Dodgers just beat you guys? Plus Harper is gonna leave and Stras can’t stay healthy? Nah
Using marlins’ offer to hear back from Dodgers to see if they bid higher. Smart agent.
Or realize that the Dodgers have wanted that pick all along and are content to let Jansen walk and sign Holland to anchor an already solid pen.
I think you’re onto something.
If Dodgers can get Holland Feliz and Boone for the price of Jansen and less years . . . It pains me to say this but Id rather see that. And it almost falls in line with front office train of thought
I don’t think Friedman can top 80MM tax free. A LAD reunion looks bleak. It’s been well documented Jansen is seeking the most money regardless of where it is, albeit I think he did enjoy his time in LA. Dodger fans can only hope for, if not a hometown discount, that at least he lets LA match the offer sheet.
He still has to pay tax in each state for road games so it’s not like all of it is tax free
No such thing as a home town discount anymore in this day and age. But the no state tax thing is over rated. That’s what writes off are for and great CPA’s. it’s not that big of a deal.
But no state tax and “write offs with a great CPA” are not mutually exclusive. One can have both. Why donate a few million bucks to the state of California if you don’t have to.
YOU GET THAT MONEY BACK! …… with those write offs. Ever filed a schedule C or know anything about writes offs and taxes. PLUS you can live in Alabama (or wherever ) and work in LA and you get every dollar back you paid in a non resident work state. EXACTLY what writes and your CPA get you.
Uh…baseball players are employees so wouldn’t file a Schedule C. Even if they were independent contractors, they would still pay more tax playing ball in Miami vs LA. And before you ask, I am a CPA.
Could be a huge pick up for for the Marlins. He could push them up close to 75 wins next year.
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If that’s the price…as a Dodger fan then let him go be a Marlin!! It’s just not fiscally responsible and I guess his price is whatever the Marlins are willing to pay…I’ll take one David Robertson please
I am not all that impressed with Robertson. I know he pitched in hitters park for the White Sox, but he seemed give up key hits and/or home runs more often than not. And I think the Dodgers value prospects more than ever. Even though Robertson probably will not cost more than 2 B-level prospects, I would rather see the Dodgers take a chance with Holland.
Have you seen Baez/Hatcher/anyone besides Liberatore pitch? LA needs Jansen back AND another bullpen arm. Not another arm instead of Jansen.
100000% right Dutch
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Robertson makes sense if Turner also leaves. One stop shopping with the white Sox for Robertson and Frazier…
I really want no part of Frazier and his .300 OBP. The downgrade from JT to him would be massive.
Here come the comments about how the Dodgers were wise to let Jansen go because they could always sign Melancon or Chapman, or trade for Davis.
Oh, wait.
The Dodgers need to pass on Jansen at this price. This would have been an ideal situation use Frankie Montas in, but they traded him away in the reddick/hill trade. I think the Dodgers are giving themselves too much credit in retaining their players. They missed the boat on Greinke, and now Jansen likely. I hope they can figure this one out in the long run.
Not signing Greinke looks even smarter now, than it did at the time. I’m sure they are happy they “missed the boat” on that one.
They didn’t miss the boat on Greinke he didn’t want to be the #2 starter he wanted to be #1 starter.
I think this might not be the wisest move by the Marlins, but I will give them credit for being aggressive and going after and getting their player. It is nice to see this type of signing by a “lower level team”. The winter meetings get old seeing only the big market teams sign prayers and trade for players.
Baseball needs a salary cap in the worst way. Players will never agree to it though.
Why do you even need to sign prayers?
So God knows who’s asking for the miracle.
Excellent. The only good laugh I’m going to get out of this thread.
“The free-agent market almost always plays out to the point of doing more than you rationally want to do,” Friedman said. “If you’re always rational about free agents, you will finish third on every free agent.”
Hey, it’s a plan.
Baseball contracts are getting out of hand, especially as it relates to relievers. I hate the idea of a salary cap, however it’s going to be needed before too long. These absurd contracts are going to start forcing ticket prices and concession prices to much higher levels than they already are. Can’t blame the players though, I think they should take every penny these crazy owners are willing to give them.
Totally agree. When you look at the price per inning pitched these relievers will make, it makes your jaw drop. We are in the age of big tv dollars, but this is maddening. Don’t blame the players one bit for setting up their great grandkids though.
It’s also true of starting pitchers too. To think that guys like Kershaw, Price, and Greinke all make $1M per start is nuts. I agree you can’t blame the players because there is a ton of money in the game. But yikes.
Based on the markets though, it kinda makes sense. You pay a #4 starter with an ERA around 4 somewhere around $15M, so wouldn’t you then give an absolutely elite closer the same kind of money when he is pitching in high level situations. There aren’t a lot of positions where if you fail, you lose the game for the team.
I hate to say it but Jansen will be a Marlin. He has already said he is going to the team that pays him the most. Keep in mind that there are no state income taxes in Florida thus the Dodgers have to beat the offer by quite a bit just to match the Marlins . The White Sox will then smell blood and increase their demands on Robertson. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Puig get packaged for Robertson.
As a Marlin fan, come on Nationals or Dodgers! Get in there. You can do it lol
Could be a messy signing though. Same with Chapman. Closers that are used a lot in the previous season sometimes crash and burn in the next.
I’m gonna laugh so hard if the marlins did something like top the record by like 1/2 million or million. 5 years 86.5 million calling it
I’m becoming comfortable with the idea of Jansen leaving. That’s a steep, steep price to pay.
The only fans who should have smiles on their faces at this point are in San Francisco.
As a Dodgers fan I feel fine watching Jansen walk at that price. Same as with Greinke last year. Teams that overextend end up like the Yankees or Phillies. Maybe you get one, but you’re screwed for years after.
Sure, why be screwed for years after when you can be screwed right now?
Go ahead, try to argue with that.
With the history of Closers getting big contracts and not living up to them? I’m sure many could make such an argument..
Or are you one of those people that should say they need to keep him at all costs, then be the first to complain that the Dodgers overpaid if he fails?
That argument could be made for a great many contracts given to a great many players, but I am not one of the people who will make that argument. I understand that in baseball as in everything else in life, no risk equals no reward. I also know that second-rate is always cheaper and never wins. And not at “all” costs, just what it costs.
So, no, on all counts.
I don’t see how any Dodger fan could be fine seeing Jansen walk. We all have seen what can be done with a dominate bullpen. Just look what the Orioles and Yankees were able to accomplish because of their bullpen. Do you really think the Dodgers win the division or even make the wild card without Jansen?
No need to be screwed. They just have to find a replacement. Every year new closers appear, because the incumbent was hurt or ineffective. Its not like its a rarity.
And the rationalization phase begins.
Agreed, the Dodgers need to get Jansen, it’s only 5 years and he isn’t old.
Name one reliever who made $10 million a year on a FA contract that panned out.
Papelbon if you are basing it on stats along and not character issues.
Either way, these are elite relievers. I’d pay them too if it were up to me. You aren’t talking about a middle reliever on an equal playing field with other arms. These are high leverage pitchers, ones where if they mess up, you likely lose the game at the end. Jansen and Chapman are two of the most dominant closers the game has seen.
so yes, if you are going to pay a #3 or #4 starter $15M per year, why would you not pay your most important relief arm around that to nearly guarantee a win for you. Chapman and Jansen aren’t guys that had one year of success. You’re talking about amazing track records with both.
How are the Dodgers screwed right now? Their starting staff will be better than last year with a full year of Kershaw, Hill and Urias. If we resign Turner our offense will be about the same as last year. The only spot we get worse at if Jansen leaves is the bullpen, which likely won’t offset how much better our starting staff will be. If our bullpen is the dumpster fire that you’re essentially predicting, then we can make a trade or two in season. Not the end of the world. We can also do this without sacrificing our chances at the major free agent class after the 2018 season.
I see them winning the division. Jansen accounted for 2.5 war last season. Having Kershaw healthy and Urias and Hill for the whole season more than makes up for that. I love Jansen, but long-term reliever contracts don’t pan out.
Sure, just keep believing that this FO is going to put together a first rate bullpen some fine day, even though this is their third trip around that course and they haven’t done it yet. The mounting evidence is their bullpen philosophy is to throw a bunch of cannon fodder at the late innings. When they get blown up, it’s on to the next one. For a regular season that approach might even have some merit, but in the postseason, it’s a proven loser. Again and again we see what wins in the postseason, and that ain’t it.
I’ve been on Friedman and Zaidi for this for the last couple of years and taken a lot of guff for it. By all means, show me how I am wrong now, if you think you can. Or maybe you just need a couple more years of the same to see it. I don’t. I’m getting it already.
I would almost give you Papelbon, but the last two years on his contract say otherwise. I would have no problem paying Jansen $40 over 2, but 5 years is a long time for a reliever.
Jansen could have a much greater impact then a Ian Desmond who got 70 over 5 years. Each year the price will keep going up so letting him go just means kershaws 8 inning starts are no longer for sure wins
Sure but I’d like to resign kershaw in two years also
Honestly, if the Marlins really spend this much on a reliever, with that percentage of our payroll, and not to mention giving a relief pitcher 5 years, while also giving up the #13 overall pick (after the Rockies signed Desmond), we at least really need to add another SP, like Nova, and then someone like Napoli, but the Marlins obviously arent going to do that, and its going to be the typical direct Loria move that backfires badly after he only goes half way. The Marlins have no depth. I’d much rather sign Koji Uehara and Brad Ziegler, and go after Nova/Hammel, try to get Napoli, but if not, settle for Mark Reynolds, and then call it an offseason. That would be a much better use out of that money and actually give them a decent chance at being in the race for a wild card spot if they can stay healthy
Dodgers are playing it smart. I can see them letting Jansen go for the pick and then making a trade for Robertson which wouldn’t cost much and possibly even Frazier if they choose to let Turner walk for the pick as well.
And if they play it really smart, they’ll have managed to downgrade at nearly every position.
I really think you are being overly cynical about all this Blue. Yes Jansen is a top three closer, let alone reliever, but at what cost? In the end the Dodgers may be looking at this as being able to afford only two of the three free agents we were really rumored to be targetting: Hill, Turner, and Jansen. They might be looking at what will net them the most bang for their buck. And as great as it would be to have Jansen, at $16-18 million AAV, over 5 years, with how easily other high octane relievers can seemingly step into the closer roles out of nowhere, they are banking on getting that #2 in Hill behind Kersh and going to likely go gunning for Turner as we have no reasonable 3B options in the minors that are within three to four years of contributing. Go get Holland, Feliz, or Ziegler, all of whom have had good success closing. Or shoot, grab Logan, buy super low on Tolleson (who was a farmhand of ours at one point), buy low on Storen for all I care. Point is is that we could easily have two or three of the above named guys for under $15 million and not with nearly as many years attached, and at least one of them could fill our need at closer. We still have guys like Dayton, Garcia (who hopefully is healthy this year), Liberatore, and shoot the dark horse in Rhame who was added to the 40 man roster and flashes closer type stuff all in house. Point being is that while losing Jansen WILL hurt, and anyone will be a downgrade, the drop-off of having someone other than Jansen wouldn’t be as great as the drop-off of having someone other than Hill in our rotation, or having Turner manning the hot corner. Plus, getting that draft pick doesn’t hurt either.
Guess what, this appears to be the price of a top closer these days. Either you want one or you don’t. Either you pay, or you don’t get one. Go ahead, tell me the Giants don’t look a lot better and a lot smarter for signing Melancon, and our bullpen doesn’t look more like the ineffective grab bag they fielded last year.
A draft pick? Whoopee. That might help five years from now.
Year 29, comin’ up.
No on this one I totally agree with BlueSky. I’m usually not in agreement with him, but this one I fully am.There are very very few dominant closers. And most of them have something special. Chapman has the 105 but it’s hittable, Kenley has the cutter, you’re betting on Holland and him getting his fb back and if he doesn’t he’s just as hittable. Ziegler is not a top end closer. Rhame is flat and does not have a consistent slider. Baez throws hard sure but is flat and has no slider. If he could spot up that’s one thing but he’s never shown an ability to do it consistently in high leverage situations. Yimi could potentially be good, but he was moved out of the latter innings because of his inability to handle them. No one in the pen is capable of handling the 9th or potentially even the 8th in the regular season. I’m fully ok with the league min patch work pen that matches up but not with your bridge or 9th inning guy especially if you want to win in the playoffs. This team gets no where close to 2 games out of the WS without Jansen. Now your not just filling out once piece to make this a competent playoff pen your filling out three. You’re also obliterating any chance of keeping the farm intact. If they were to sign Jansen and Turner this season I’m ok with not making any FA splashes next year. I’m sorry this is a consistent year end year out difference maker who they need to overspend on. They had 40M off this year 45M off next and 60M following that.
These are signs of end times, surely. 😉
You’re also paying for a guy who does not have close to the mileage on his arm than most. So you’re not paying for a regular close to 39 year old.
YARRitsBLAKE, I disagree. Jansen posted a 1..83 ERA and had 47 saves and you’re saying let him walk and grab Holland who is coming off an injury or Feliz, Storen, Ziegler or Tolleson, whom all lost their roles as closers. And besides Holland, none have been dominate as Jansen.. The Giants wish they had a Jansen, Chapman or Melancon last year.
And if they are really that gun shy about the 5. Then give him a 2 year opt out in which he could test the market and no have the QO attached to him.
Blue sky couldn’t be more right. Jesus some of you people.
This discussion is following a depressingly familiar template. Before this, it was about how the Dodgers would be smart to let Jansen go, because they can harvest the draft pick, and sign either Chapman or Melancon. Now that those options have vanished, and even trading for Davis is off the table, some redeeming factor has to be found in what can only be called a huge and obvious downgrade. Reminds me of the story about kid who gets a box of horse manure for Christmas and empties it out thinking there must be a pony in it somewhere. Time to stop looking for the pony. There isn’t gonna be any pony. It’s just a box of manure.
Makes some sense. Dodgers to spend in 2017-2018 on bigger free agents.
Too bad they can’t trade draft picks.
Short term they have in-house options, and other options on the FA market in relievers that have experience, and success, closing. They may not be as good, or sexy, as signing one of the big three, but the drop-off and net affect on team performance, and cost-effectiveness, is much lower going from an elite closer to an average one, than the drop-offs in the SP and 3B market this winter. I think the Dodgers will look at this and say, we can afford only two of the three guys we are targeting this winter, and we will stick with Hill and Turner.
You understand it’s a downgrade in every sense of the word. Btw you know how expensive that package is going to be. Here’s the problem Robertson is a first division 7th-8th inning guy nothing more nothing less. Frazier well Frazier is a downgrade in every sense of the word(downgrade defensively, stikes out a 150 plus times, and only plus tool is power). So yes bring on Frazier, and if you do I never want to hear about Pederson’s K rate again or average for that matter. At least he can get on base and play an above average position. Btw also on Frazier in the last three years he’s put up one season with an .800plus OPS and Turners put up three. Turner’s worst season was better than Frazier’s best. Hey and he also played in ban boxes. So if you keep spinning through one year guys you’re going to keep gutting the system.
I’m with a couple others here. Keep Turner, and avoid trading for Frazier and Robertson. Just sign Turner, and sign two or three from this group: Holland, Feliz, Ziegler, Logan, Tolleson, Storen. We also have in-house options as well. I’m not worried if Jansen walks.
Can we all agree that we need some Dozier in our lives though?
Agree with that notion. We could really use some Dozier in our lives – for the right price.
It’s now a 3 team fight for Jansen and Holland between Marlins, Dodgers, and Nationals. The surprising Marlins involvement in the top closer market made this a lot more interesting.
There is every chance Jansen’s cutter is more hittable too btw with drop in velocity with age.
It’s not the velocity drop it’s the movement on his cutter. It’s a true cutter that doesn’t dominate because of velo but because of the extreme late life. You saw what Mariano was able to do with his cutter. You also have to realize he has no where close to the mileage on his arm than most closers who hit FA do. You’re also going to bet that Holland if fully healthy and ready to rev up by opening day. That seems like a pretty shaking proposition considering you’d be relying on him to close.
I like it if the Marlins get him, they have a pretty good pen, would make their pitching situation similar to how the Royals did it. They have a good everyday team to go with it if they can stay healthy, their depth leaves something to be desired which is why staying healthy is critical.
Loria will outbid the field and then flip Jansen for younger players, possibly one or two of the Dodgers young pitchers by the end of July ’17.
Would Bellinger, De Leon, Yusniel Diaz, Brock Stewart, and Will Smith be enough to get Odorizzi and Colome from the Rays for the Dodgers?
That package might be good for Archer but not Odorizzi and even than the Dodgers aren’t going to overpaid.
How would it be enough for archer, but not odorizzi? Archer has 2 more years of control attached than odorizzi
Because they would be paying a lot and they wouldn’t need to. The names you mentioned there is what would land archer and the Dodgers Aren’t going to do that anyway
3 years of odorizzi and 4 of colome. Could they get colome with 5 of archer for that? That was part of what I was attempting to gauge
Yes. But I don’t believe that Dodgers will trade Bellinger.
They’d still have other guys close to the big leagues in that scenario, as well as obviously the guys they already have in the big leagues….unless they are done with Puig? I might still be valuing him higher than I should be. Or unless they;re eventually planning on using Bellinger to replace Adrian Gonzalez at 1b, but dude is a good enough athlete to play in the OF, and you can figure out 1b another way IMO
They probably would rather have Archer for that same package but it could easy be DeLeon/Stewart/Puig for Odorizzi and Colome.
I always make fun of the Marlin fan base on how pathetic it is…….. but then I realized, I probably wouldn’t show up or support the team too if management acted like their’s does. Seriously, why the f**k do they have interest in Jansen? With the loss of Fernandez they need to seriously be worried about that rotation which with Fernandez was pretty weak. Without him it is abysmal. No point in a big time closer when you have no starters to hand over leads to him. Also, you know Loria is going to trade away Stanton and likely for very little in return due to Stanton’s inability to stay healthy. That may be as soon as next year when Stanton’s salary jumps to like $25M I believe. So in other words, I think Loria thinks if they land Jansen they have “a shot” at contention. If they fail (likely) to make the playoffs this time next year we’ll be hearing about a Stanton and Jansen trade.
So I get it Marlins fans, if you’re interested enough to even be on this website to read this. I’m not even a fan of the team and management is driving me nuts.
I really hope the Marlins don’t sign Jansen
If they resign him then hey that’s Great. I hate to say it, but let him walk. Dodgers would get the 13th overall pick in the ’17 Draft. Could possibly mix that pick in with other players to trade for another great player. Besides let’s look forward to the 2019 free agent class it has a lot of big names!
KB only player worth “Stanton” money is Mike Trout! That contract was ridiculous!
Not true the Dodgers would get a supplement pick between the 1st and 2nd round and it have been like this since last year case in point just look at Grienke.
You do know it was a 6 year/$106 million deal, which is pretty team friendly….there is 4 years/$91 million left on it, amd after this year, it’ll be 3/76.5 which is fine if he is healthy. His injuries have been flukey.
Also, it wouldn’t be the 13th pick. You’d get a pick after the first round. And obviously, you can’t trade the pick lol. It’s not one of those competitive balance picks that can be traded
You know what after seeing Jansen come to this spot without saying anything about the Dodgers, or mentioning what he’s looking for, I really think he will just go to the highest bidder regardless of whom it may be. Chapman may have boasted a bit saying that he’s looking for a 100mil contract but at least he said he was interested in a reunion with the Yankees and there he went, refusing a contract with more money to play with them. Here we have Jansen and I don’t really think he’s committed to the Dodgers by now. I pray he stays in LA but if the Marlins are desperate enough they might offer him 90mil and boom there he goes. I think Dodgers should turn to secondary options by now before other teams intensify trade talks.
I feel like the Nats really need him now. I feel like the Marlins at least have Ramos and they aren’t a playoff team this year, but I don’t see how that Nationals or Dodgers can stand to not get him. Both teams are expected to be playoff teams, and neither one has a closer at the moment. I would love the Nats to pony up the money. Give him an opt out after 2 years when Harper is a FA, and go from there. I don’t see how you can sell a big part of your farm to get Eaton and then go into the season without a closer. The Giants did that last year, and it bit them big time.
A Nate Jones + Todd Frazier trade might be a possibility.
Nats are all in, they’ll be the highest bidder. Doesn’t mean they get him though
I think they need to get him though. You can’t go into the season without a closer. Not with the team built the way it is. If you’re a middle of the road team, fine. But the Nats are trying to win a WS. If they fail to get him, they will just have to further deplete their farm to get someone less proven.
Pay up and give him an opt out after 2 years. he would hit the market again before Chapman would be a FA and it would fall inline with Harper’s departure.
Nats have 40 million before they hit the luxury tax! Rizzo would have gone over the 160 ‘commitment’ even if he signed Melancon!!! Beat out miami! You’re already all in!
This has to be window dressing for Loria. It makes no sense otherwise–he must be feeling some sort of pressure, and this expenditure (or at least the appearance of it) will keep critics at bay for the short run. The Marlins, at the corporate level, are not managed to compete. They are managed to make profits. It’s a valid business strategy, but likely frustrating to fans, and to big market teams who contribute to revenue sharing, as well as the government that provided huge subsidies.
Being a Dodger fan it hurts saying this, but he’s a goner. Bottom line, he goes to the highest bidder and that won’t be the Dodgers
Maybe they then go back to the Sox and get Frazier and Robertson instead?
The Dodgers have to decide if they want to decimate there whole farm system or spend on Jansen and Turner. Look at what it cost the Nats for Eaton and what Sale cost the Sox.
Assuming its the Marlins or Dodgers. The Nat’s could have paid Melancon way less and though that was too expensive. As a Cubs fan, I’m rooting for the Marlins to sign Jensen so none of the other contenders in the NL have him.
Most likely he’s gonna go to the marlins. He wants to do whats best for his family, in other words who pays the most money. Don’t want to see Jansen go he’s too good! Well see what happens.
Definitely agree with you, plus he is good buddies with Dee Gordon from what I’ve read, and much closer to his family. Dodgers can all but kiss him goodbye and that sucks
Here is something to think about. If the Dodgers were to match the Marlins offer for Jansen or re-sign Turner they will be $40 million over the luxury tax threshold and will pay a 92% tax on every dollar over. Since they are under MLB mandate to reign in their payroll, neither of those are likely unless they can get someone to take a few, maybe 3, of their high dollar contracts. Moving Kazmir, McCarthy and Ethier would give them a shot at signing those 2 guys, but it’s not likely anyone is going to take any of those 3 without the Dodgers eating most of the $78 million the 3 are owed over the next 2 seasons.
Where does it say the Dodgers are under mandate to lower payroll? The mandate comes into play on the debt that is owed not payroll.
Stop with the spreading of misinformation.
Dude, give it up with all your “Dodgers must reduce debt” posts. You are just making yourself out to be a whiny little Padres fan that seems jealous of the Dodgers payroll. You’re almost getting as annoying as the Angels fan that loves to post asinine trade proposals.
This guy has been on every Dodgers thread this offseason spewing this same garbage. It’s all wishful thinking from a sad Madres fan.
Marlins do not need Jansen. We have a very capable closer. I get the mindset of shortening games with a killer bullpen; however, I get replenishing the farm system more. Use the $ for Jansen on bullpen arms that are more cost effective and possibly a starting pitcher. Keep the draft pick, please.