While much of the trade chatter on Pirates outfielder Andrew McCutchen has focused on the Nationals, the Dodgers are also a plausible suitor, per ESPN.com’s Buster Olney. There’s interest from Los Angeles in the 30-year-old, not least of which because he’s controllable at a fairly reasonable salary and doesn’t come with a lengthy commitment.
- Despite the ongoing interest in McCutchen, the Nationals are also looking into other outfielders, Jon Heyman of Fan Rag reports. Among the free agent center fielders who have at least come up internally are Dexter Fowler, Carlos Gomez and former Nats shortstop Ian Desmond. The organization has also given some thought to Adam Eaton of the White Sox. That’s doubly interesting given that the Nats are reportedly still engaged on star Chicago southpaw Chris Sale.
- While the Nationals are trying to work out arrangements to land McCutchen (or an alternative) and/or Sale, they remain in on closer Mark Melancon, per ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick (Twitter links). Melancon’s market is moving along well, says Crasnick, with expectations that he could land as much as $60MM over a four-year term. While Washington is clearly intrigued at a reunion, Crasnick adds that the Giants remain engaged and may even be better-situated for a strike on Melancon given that the Nats’ attention may lie elsewhere.
- That being said, the Giants are also looking to add a power bat in the outfield, and they have continued to consider Tigers slugger J.D. Martinez, according to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (Twitter link). That interest has been known for some time, but it seems there’s still life to the possibility. Notably, GM Bobby Evans has signaled that San Francisco does not wish to take on a long-term obligation in the outfield, as Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle tweets. The same rationale that makes Martinez appealing — his one year of team control — could also make Mets outfielder Jay Bruce a possibility, Schulman notes.
- Another team in the outfield market is the Rangers, who hope to add a center fielder as well as another starter. GM Jon Daniels says that he’s currently paying more attention to the trade market than to free agency, as T.R. Sullivan of MLB.com tweets. Texas is drawing hits on relief pitching, Daniels added.
- The Yankees have their eye on four possibilities for a big bat, per Heyman (via Twitter): Edwin Encarnacion, Matt Holliday, Mike Napoli, and Carlos Beltran. Most of those free agents have been connected to New York in some form already, though Holliday has not been mentioned with much specificity. Of note, beyond the interest of the Yankees, is that Holliday is apparently looking for a two-year deal, while Beltran appears to be available for a single-season commitment.
- High-octane lefty Aroldis Chapman remains in excellent position to land a big new deal, but Heyman tweets that he’s not necessarily hunting for a nine-figure contract. While the bargaining could presumably still push the price tag toward (if not past) the $100MM mark, that’s not a “demand” of the free agent, per the report.
- As the Pirates weigh a number of pursuits, the organization remains engaged with lefty Derek Holland, Rob Biertempfel of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reports on Twitter. Bucs GM Neal Huntington is set to meet with Holland’s reps at the Winter Meetings early next week.
dewssox79
adam eaton and sale in a package would bring trea turner but at this point the white sox should not trade eaton. no point.
Brixton
I disagree. I don’t think Turner should be moved for anything short of Trout. He had a 30 HR, 70 SB, .340 BA pace last year
chitownsox11
He did that for half a season.
Eaton is a 6 WAR player signed through 2021
Brixton
So the Nats should trade one potential 5-6 WAR CF/SS for a potential 5-6 WAR RFer?
mrnatewalter
No, he’s saying the Nationals should trade one potential 5-6 WAR CF/SS for one potential 5-6 WAR RFer AND one 5-6 WAR starting pitcher.
chitownsox11
Eaton has proved he is a legit 6 WAR player. Turner has played half a season, so has hardly any track record. And yeah I would take Eaton over Turner because he is locked in cheaply through 2021 and is the more proven player.
Come talk to me when Turner puts up those numbers for two or three full seasons.
There is Zero chance the Nats have enough to get Eaton and Sale together, unless Turner and their entire farm system came back to the Sox.
mdbaseball05
All of this talk doesn’t matter. No, Turner is not Trout, but he is good and valuable because he can play CF and SS. Eaton can’t. Again, that doesn’t matter because my point is actually that… the Nats don’t want to trade for Eaton. They want Sale, so Turner won’t be involved. They would have to include Giolito and Robles plus more, but that would be worth it.
Yes, Eaton is valuable, but he isn’t a fit for them, or at least, is not a necessity. They could leave Turner in CF and have an OF of Werth, Turner, and Harper or trade for Cutch, or just sign one of the outfielders like Fowler or Desmond. Turner is cheaper, and showed a lot at the ML level last year.
Yes, of course they are interested. But, the Sox will ask for a crazy package and then they will move onto just Sale.
Steven P.
An Eaton/Sale package would require arguably the largest return of all time coming back to the White Sox. I don’t think the Nationals have the farm to make that happen.
Eaton has averaged 5.1 WAR the past three seasons and is under team control for 5 more years. His value is huge just like Sale.
5 years of Eaton at age 28 would cost more than 2 years of a declining McCutchen
chitownsox11
No way the Sox trade Sale to nationals without Turner. The headliner has to be a position player, and do not say robles. He is too far away, thus more likely to bust.
If Sale is traded a player like Turner, Bregman, Benintendi, Moncada, etc. will be in the trade. Doesn’t make sense for the Sox to do the trade without one of those players.
I bet the only pitcher that could be the headliner of the deal would be Urias.
kehoet83
I have to believe that Trea Turner is untouchable at this point.
mdbaseball05
I think you are forgetting about Giolito? The top ranked pitching prospect according to multiple sites. He would headline a deal for the Nationals along with Robles. Pretty sure the White Sox would love to have him along with others.. MLB.com has Giolito as #3 and Robles as #10 overall. That’s a heck of a haul to start an offer for Sale.
Steven P.
Just my opinion, but I feel that Giolito is the most overrated prospect in baseball. Is he a great pitching prospect? Yes, but I feel Urias is a superior prospect
Giolito was roughed up during his 21 inning stint at the mlb level and his fastball lost velocity as the season went on.
chitownsox11
They want a position player to headline the package not a pitcher. And Robles is 19, a lot can happen before he is major league ready. So yes, if I am the Sox I am not liking the package you can offer without Turner.
dewssox79
this.
oldleftylong
Absolutely untouchable. The kid is the real deal. The Chisox likely won’t come close to what they want for Sale. He will still be cutting up Sox Throw-backs in 2017.
chitownsox11
So you think he is going to put up those numbers year in year out? He played 73 games, let send him to Cooperstown now I guess.
Priggs89
That title without a doubt goes to Joey Gallo.
Dmalsch22
I glad someone said it! I wouldn’t even call him a great prospect, very good yes, he never really dominated in the minors for more than 30 or so innings at a time. All of that doesn’t matter of course if he pitches well at the MLB level.
Also science/stats show that players who undergo tommy John at the high school level usually are certain to have it happen again. He didn’t have it until 2 months after he was drafted but the nats knew he would need it so close enough to having it in high school
Dmalsch22
And he’s been mentioned as a clubhouse cancer multiple times in the minors
davidn17
That’s baby language. If you’re going to try and argue why most baseball scouts are wrong on Giolito you gotta give better reasons than that.
pullhitter445
A lot of terrible speculations about what prospects commenters believe are worth more than MLB proven commodities. A few years ago nobody speaks of prospects the way they do this offseason. The Cubs win the World Series because there prospects panned out, now the game has this over valued opinion of prospects. The appeal is simple, young controlled players, potential corner stones to your organization. However the failure rate far exceeds the success rate. So when you want a Chris sale, a mike trout prepare to unload your farm.
Dmalsch22
And Gary Sanchez was on pace to hit 80 hr
CJarrell86
Sorry but even comparing Trea Turner to Mike Trout is asinine.
Steven P.
Comparing Turner to Trout is insanity. Turner had a fantastic 73 game stretch and now he’s apparently a future 1st ballot hall of famer?!
Trout is the best player of the past decade
pullhitter445
I love when people comment about a projected “pace”. Talk to me when he does it at the MLB.
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
McCutchen for Verdugo and Van Slyke..
pukelit
The Pirates would never do that
MaverickDodger
I’d have to agree on that end. Besides pitching I don’t know what exactly the Bucs are looking for. I would imagine two second tier pitching prospects not named DeLeon would be the starting point. Bucs would still have three MLB ready OFs after dealing Cutch
pullhitter445
85% of these trade proposals wouldn’t even be approved by PlayStation the show video game.
bravesiowafan
Have the rangers considered moving profar to the of?
TheGreatTwigog
They did… it got him hurt for 14 months
bravesiowafan
Thank you didn’t realize that’s where the big injury materialized from
chitownsox11
I see no reason for the Sox to trade Eaton what so ever. He is a legitimate 5-6 WAR a year player singed cheaply through 2021. I really do not get the Sox seem like they are hell bent on trading every valuable piece for prospects. Prospects are exactly that until they prove otherwise.
It seems so envogue to want to have the best minor league talent, but at the end of the day how many players fulfill their potential, not many.
The Sox are delusional thinking they can ever achieve sustained success that they claim to be seeking. Their best chance is to go on a run like the Royals a few years back. Which in essence is going through a huge rebuild that could take years, only to have a legitimate shot at the series for a couple years. And thats only if things go great.
They will never by like the Cubs, because they will never have a $170 payroll. People act like the Cubs just built this team all through drafting and developing. No they bought/traded for basically all their pitching.
Think a few years down the line if everything goes according to plan with the rebuild that the sox are going to sign a Zobrist, lackey, Lester, Heyward, etc. I don’t think so.
They are stuck being mediocre because they cannot evaluate talent and are cheap.
mrnatewalter
I don’t think they are “hell bent on trading every valuable piece for prospects”
I think they are willing to listen to any offer.
If you can turn two 5 WAR players into five to eight 3 WAR players that cover multiple needs, why wouldn’t you take that?
chitownsox11
You honestly think that each player they would get back for Sale and Eaton is going to turn into a 3 WAR major league player. Get real, they will get prospects, and prospects flop all the time.
Sale and Eaton are truly elite talents. If you screw up their trades it sets your franchise back big time
mrnatewalter
No, I don’t.
But I also don’t think that Adam Eaton will perpetually be a 6 WAR player, either.
But if they can turn Chris Sale into Trea Turner + 2-3 elite prospects, probably 1-2 of the prospects would be above average MLBers (3 WAR). The same for Eaton.
chitownsox11
He was a 5, 3, and then 6 WAR player the last three seasons, so the 5-6 range for the next few years is pretty on point.
I do not see the point of trading elite talents like Sale and Eaton. Sox have too much talent to rebuild. Reinsdorf needs to open up his wallet more than anything.
Steven P.
Open his wallet to sign who?
The White Sox really need to build up farm system depth in order to compete year in and year out.
Eaton averaged 5.1 WAR the past three years, and at age 28 I have no reason to believe he is going to regress anytime soon. He is not getting traded
mrnatewalter
So you don’t want the White Sox to turn Chris Sale into a package of Andrew Benintendi, Rafael Devers, Michael Kopeck, etc?
You don’t want a ridiculous package for Adam Eaton?
The White Sox have a couple really good players and a bunch of mediocre ones. They have a very weak farm system. They aren’t going to compete with Cleveland right now, and will get passed by Minnesota in years to come.
Sale and Eaton have never had more value, and likely never will. If they hold this winter, I don’t think they’ll ever recoup the potential value in a trade for either guy, especially Sale.
thetruth 2
WAR is an overrated and exaggerated stat. .284/.362/.428 and 13 HR in 600+ AB is nowhere near an elite player. He’s not a power hitter or a contact one. He’s a good defender who is just slightly above average offensively. Nothing too special.
chitownsox11
If you think Benintendi, Devers, and Kopech is a ridiculous package, I don’t know what you are thinking. That is way too light in my opinion for Sale.
Steven P.
You’re going to completely overlook his gold glove caliber defense and above average speed?
15 home run pop is not too shabby either
Plus he hits left handed
= a great player
Steven P.
Agreed
Benintendi, Devers, Kopech plus more would have to be included
chitownsox11
WAR is an overated stat. That is a good one. Eaton is an elite player.
Bruin1012
It is a prospect package but I’m quite sure the White Sox brass would really consider that. I have said all along that the Red Sox trade JBJ, Moncada and Erod for Sale that would be more than fair. It would allow Eaton to get away from center field where he is below average arguably the best prospect in baseball with true 5 tool talents and high ceiling pitcher.
stymeedone
“He was a 5, 3, and then 6 WAR player the last three seasons, so the 5-6 range for the next few years is pretty on point.”
No, actually that would make the 3-6 range pretty on point. You just can’t choose to ignore the 3 year. It might actually be more accurate to see the 6 as the outlier and assume a 3-5 for the next few years.
chitownsox11
It was 5.2, 3.9, and 6.2 to be exact so that is 5.1 average WAR. So yes the 5-6 would be correct. He is an elite player
Priggs89
Where did you learn to do math? If you’re given 3 numbers – 3/5/6 – and are asked which one is the outlier, it’s CLEARLY the 3. How does that even make sense to you to say that the 6 is the outlier in that group?
Also, that 3 WAR season (3.9 actually) was due to his defense in center field. For some unknown reason, he was awful in 2015 and posted a -1.1 dWAR. The year before he put up a 1.8 dWAR in CF, and last year he put up a 1.8 dWAR in RF. Even if he played average CF defense in 2015, he would’ve been a 5-6 win player that year too. Clearly that year was an outlier for some reason. I wouldn’t be too worried about the defense dragging him down going forward, especially if he stays in RF. He should be looked at as a 5+ win (bb-ref) player right now.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Please no Derek Holland.
Get Joe Ross in a deal for Cutch and toss out 5 kids in the rotation.
edawg1512
Derek Holland can be a very nice addition to a rotation. And a little Pirates magic on him and he’s suddenly the new JA Happ. Big fan of both of those guys personally
flatcat2216
Sale, Abreu and Robertson to Boston for Buchholz, Jackie Bradley Jr, Blake Swihart, And Moncada…
chitownsox11
Where do you get your reasoning for this trade? This is horrible for the White Sox
Steven P.
What are you smoking? Sale, Abreu and Robertson for that package is nuts
BSPORT
Obvious Boston fan looking for a garbage dump.
Bruin1012
Well JBJ and Moncada are certainly not garbage dumps and would be the backbone of a Sale deal with maybe one more piece either Pom or Erod you choose.
Ash20707
Trea Turner is not going anywhere . You can have anyone on that team but Turner, Harper, Murphy, and Mad Max . Trea Turner is untouchable and anyone who think he will be trade is just clueless.
chitownsox11
No such thing as untouchable when you are trying to acquire a player like Sale. Get real, the Sox are in the drives seat not the nationals. Pretty easy no Turner no Sale.
mdbaseball05
He is untouchable in the sense that they won’t trade him and have enough to offer outside of him that could pry him away. If they demand him, the Nats walk away. But I’m thinking if they start with Giolito and Robles along with a couple of others, they are very interested. You can say then no deal or whatever, but no other team can offer two top 10 prospects in baseball except the Red Sox and Pirates, and the Red Sox aren’t going to give Moncada and Benintendi as quick as the Nats would give up those two. So fine, the White Sox can turn them away, but then as soon as they see other offers, they will probably come back and see that Giolito and Robles is awfully good. Especially if someone like Reynaldo Lopez is also included. That is two top 10 prospects and a top 50 among some other pieces. So no, they won’t trade Turner, but they can still offer the best package without him.
Steven P.
Houston could beat that package, as could the Dodgers
chitownsox11
Robles is in A ball, so I am not going to be too high on him until he puts up stats in AA or AAA. Benintendi, Moncada, and Bregman > Giolito. They need difference making hitters. Giolito seems way overrated to me. Not even close to the talent Urias is.
mdbaseball05
The Dodgers can’t because they may give up Urias, but I doubt they give up Pederson and Seager is a definite no. So it would be Urias and a lot of lower ones. The Astros could maybe with Bregman and others, but they don’t have the pitching prospects that the White Sox would want. They could probably pull it off though too. My point wasn’t really that. It was more just that Turner can be off limits and they can still offer a ton for Sale.
Steven P.
Dodgers: Urias, Bellinger, Verdugo, De Leon, Mendez are all possibilities
Astros: Bregman, Martes, Tucker, Whitley, Paulino, Reed, Musgrove, Fisher, Cameron, Hernandez all are possibilities
ducoach
With Gonzalez getting older and at the end of a team friendly contract, Bellinger is the future Dodger first baseman. Urias is tagged for the #3 slot. The Bucs are looking for infield and pitching, so are the Blue. A big package of A and AA players may get Cutch to LA. I know he’d be happy here. But who moves to LF? Joc would do fine in the corner.
ducoach
You’re outta your mind! It’s common knowledge that Seager and Urias are untouchable! The future of Dodger Baseball!! DeLeon and Bellinger are highly valued. You get one but not the other. Verdugo is available. Culbertson,Barnes,Toles and Puig are available. After giving 3 of our best pitching prospects to the A’s for “rentals” I think the front office is not trading our great talented prospects away in bunches. And signing Hill nullifies any trade for Sale. So Let’s go get a good keystone player like Dozier. 2 or 3 good prospects should get him.Same with McCutcheon. The Bucs have 3 high rated prospects waiting to take his place.
oldleftylong
Huh?
Bruin1012
Wow I know that Sale is great has a great contract but I’m guessing if Sale deal happens with the Nats it doesn’t include Turner. My guess is the White Sox office could make a deal happen without Turner but it is going to be clostly. White Sox fans get so emotional about Sale and almost any trade that is floated is not enough for Sale you guys are going to be disappointed if a trade really does come down no matter who it is it seems.
slider32
Are the Sox and Bucs going to make any deals, or are they just blowing smoke!
Backatitagain
So the Rangers plan to add a starter and a center fielder. It just so happens that the Braves have a 3.5 WAR pitcher and a 3.5 WAR centerfielder that could be available. The Braves could package Julio Teheran and Ender Inciarte for three backups and a couple prospects. Texas improves 7 WAR and keeps its starting roster. The Texas package would include backup infielders Joey Gallo and Jurickson Profar, backup catcher Brett Nicholas and prospect pitchers Yohander Mendez and Mike Matuella or Lewis Brinson for Matuella.
mrnatewalter
A couple things:
1. Teheran and Inciarte are not going to be had for “backups”. Teams will have to part with legitimate, young talent to get even just one of them.
2. Lewis Brinson is no longer in the Rangers’ system.
Backatitagain
Yes, should have put Leody Tavaras but fell asleep.
Steven P.
Gallo’s value is in the toilet based on recent complete and utter inability to hit MLB pitching
I don’t get the Profar love, he has been a replacement level player for the last three seasons. and is only under contract for three more years
Why would Atlanta even consider that trade?
Backatitagain
Needed legitimate 3B MLB ready prospect for five years. It is the top priority. Profar is a solid switch hitting middle infielde and could also play 3B. The only negative on Gallo is Boras. The package I suggested also includes a catcher and two pitchers. The Braves have replacements for Teheran and Inciarte.
Steven P.
“The only negative on Gallo is Boras” I actually just laughed out loud
How about his .040 batting average in 17 mlb games in 2016? Or his sky high K%?
He has shown ZERO ability to hit mlb level pitching and his value is way down. One more season like this and his value will be negligible
Profar is a replacement level player
Backatitagain
The Braves should then be able to make the deal if it is like you opine. Many would not agree with your opinion of Joey and Jury.
Steven P.
Pretty sure his days as a top prospect are over since sporting a strikeout rate of 49% in 53 games at the major league level
Texas should have traded him when they had the chance haha
ducoach
Gallo is getting the bums rush from the Rangers. Beltre has him blocked at 3rd, he plays 3rd/1st in minors so his foot speed is too slow for the OF. And when he comes up, it’s PRODUCE NOW from the front office. The best thing Texas can do for Joe is to trade him,anywhere! The Angels would be a great landing spot.
dodgersfan559
Does anyone know how paying a portion of a players payroll when making a trade matter for determining luxury taxes. Like if the Dodgers include $10 million and trade Ethier who has an AAV of $17 million on his contract do they lessen their total average values of payroll to be taxed by $17 million or by $7 million or what?
mdbaseball05
Yeah…if I remember correctly, they just take whatever said teams owes total and divide it by the years. I don’t feel like looking up Ethier’s contract, but say he is owed $17M over 3 years, so a total of $51M. They include $10M in the deal knocking it down to $41M over 3 years, so the amount towards the tax is 41 divided by 3, so $13.67M per year.
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but that is my understanding.
Connorsoxfan
A package for sale and Easton would have to be ridiculous. At least 2 of Ross, Turner, and Giolito would probably be required, and maybe more.
Steven P.
Even Turner, Giolito, Robles, Lopez, Fedde, Ross, Dunning and Kieboom might not be enough in my opinion
Eaton is an all star player in his own right
aff10
Come on man. You’re talking about 2 controllable 3 win players with 5 years of control, 2 top 10 prospects, 2 top 100 prospects, and 3 more decent prospects for two 5 win players with 3 and 5 years, respectively. Sale and Eaton would get a massive return, yes, but let’s not act like they’d get 7 or 8 top young players, including 2 above-average major leaguers
Backatitagain
Rumors on MLB TV that a deal for Trout for Giolito and Harper is in the works.
Steven P.
Zero chance that happens
Harper is a free agent in two years
mdbaseball05
That’s your reason for it? I think also just the fact that it’s a troll statement should give it away and illicit no response. There is so much wrong with that. One MVP for another plus a top pitching prospect? That doesn’t make any sense.
mrnatewalter
That’s not a rumor, it was a complete “here’s a crazy thing that would be fun” idea from Phil Rogers.
Backatitagain
I could see a deal with the Pirates of Nick Markakis and Mallex Smith for Andrew McCutchen and Josh Bell.
Steven P.
What the heck? Markakis and Smith for McCutchen and Bell
You are a troll haha
Backatitagain
The Pirates save money and improve their outfield. They are fortunate that the Braves have an excess.
McGlynnandjuice
Bell is pretty much untouchable, I could maybe see McCutchen for Markakis/smith, but adding bell to that trade would be the dumbest move I’ve ever seen.
davidcoonce74
Nick Markakis isn’t any kind of valuable asset. If the Pirates deal McCutchen it will be for prospects or young/controllable players, not mid-30s outfielders.
JT19
You’re reasoning for trades is terrible. The Pirates should make this deal because they save money and barely improve their OF (assuming Cutch doesn’t play well, I agree, but Cutch has tons of more value than Markakis if both are playing at peak level).
dewssox79
wait. turner and trout in the same sentence? great stuff.