Neither the Yankees nor the Giants are “seriously pursuing” veteran slugger Jose Bautista, Jon Morosi of MLB Network writes. Morosi goes on to discuss the remaining market for the 36-year-old, who will require draft compensation from a signing team since he turned down a qualifying offer from the Blue Jays.
Both New York and San Francisco seemed at least to be decent hypothetical matches, particularly the latter. All said, the news doesn’t improve the outlook for Bautista. As Morosi notes, organizations such as the White Sox and Phillies could have a theoretical need in the corner outfield, but will probably be loath to part with a draft choice and spend big on an aging player at this stage of their respective rebuilding efforts.
Several AL East teams make some sense, at least on paper, beyond the Yankees and incumbent Jays. But the Orioles have shot down any such notions, citing Bautista’s poor reputation among the Baltimore faithful. (The same, presumably, is true of the Rangers.) We have also heard some suggestion that the Rays could have some interest in Bautista — or, at least, a theoretical player of his ilk — but that would likely be more as an opportunistic landing spot than as a dedicated pursuit. The Red Sox appear to have been of interest to Bautista, but it seems that the organization doesn’t feel there’s a fit (in part, at least, due to salary considerations).
I’d add, speculatively, that there are a few other teams that could conceivably enter the picture. The Mariners could stand to add a bat and have some positional flexibility with which to work, though they do have several right-handed-hitting pieces in the corner outfield/first base/DH areas already, it’s possible to imagine a fit. It’s a similar situation for the Mets, who have been rumored to have at least some interest in the past. If you squint hard enough, or imagine a trade to open space, it’s still possible to see a match with the Astros despite the addition of Carlos Beltran. And the Nationals did surprisingly pursue Bautista at the 2016 trade deadline, though the acquisition of Adam Eaton makes a move on him now a tough proposition. Most intriguingly, perhaps, the Rockies could stand to plug Bautista’s bat in at first base, if they were to move an outfield piece and shift the just-inked Ian Desmond to the grass.
Given the overall market setting, Morosi argues that the most sensible outcome at this point is for Bautista to end up back with the Blue Jays. For Toronto, there’s still an evident need to add offense, particularly in the outfield. In a multi-year scenario, at least, Bautista could slide in at first base at some point down the line. While the team would stand to sacrifice the chance to recoup a compensatory draft pick, adding Bautista wouldn’t hurt as much in the draft department as it would many other organizations. (Under the new CBA, no organization will be able to make Bautista a qualifying offer in the future.) Plus, there’s obviously a special connection between this particular team and player.
It’s worth emphasizing that the level of interest on the Jays’ side remains somewhat unclear. The club is said to be in touch with Bautista’s representatives, but there’s little doubt that Toronto will prefer to minimize its commitment in any arrangement. While Bautista was still a productive player last year, and maintained his excellent plate discipline, he wasn’t quite himself in the power department (22 home runs, .452 slugging percentage). With the obvious issue of age and declining glovework in the outfield — not to mention the fact that the Jays already locked into a three-year commitment at DH with Kendrys Morales — there’s good reason for the organization to be wary of a lengthy entanglement.
beastee
Joey Bats gambled…and lost. NO market exists for him now and he should have accepted the 17 mil qualifying offer.
He will get an okay deal somewhere, but his agent should have read the market better.
Michael Macaulay-Birks
As long as it’s not Boston
ctguy
And please not the Yankees
costergaard2
We don’t want him
patborders92
Both the jays and Bautista are desperate
southi
When the qualifying offers were first listed I claimed that Bautista should take it (but wouldn’t). I just didn’t feel that there was an obvious market for him to make the money he was asking for this offseason.
mlbtraderumors.com/2016/11/list-of-players-set-to-…
patborders92
I bet his Agent told him that too and than he spit in his face, you know bc he’s Jose Bautista!!!
SuperSinker
I think you’re confusing Alomar with Bautista.
jdubs346
I don’t see Bautista signing until February and right now it’s looking like his only offer would be a one year deal from the jays
stormie
Is it even worth it for the Jays to give up a draft pick to have him back for only one year? It really only makes sense if they want to go at least 2 years with him. Do they even want that commitment though?
liamsfg
They wouldn’t be losing a draft pick, they would just forgeit the gaining of one, potentially.
liamsfg
I’m not sure what an “L” is but I’d wager that you got an “F” in English class.
felinelopez2
I think it’s fairly obvious given the marketplace that he’s re-upping with the Jays again. Moving along till January.
yoyomg
The mets should trade Bruce (and maybe granderson) for Bautista, they need to get rid of Bruce anyway bad decision to get him on the mets part so maybe if the mets get him they could have a very successful 2017
whalesauce
he’s a free agent. they don’t need to trade anything for him. they can just sign him. although it costs a draft pick because of his qualifying offer
whalesauce
he’s a free agent they don’t have to trade anything for him.
MB923
They’d have to trade to make room for him though. (If they’re even interested)
mikeyank55
The only way that the Mets can trade Bruce or Grandy is to package with a good player. For a team with such cheap owners, Bruce was a stupid gamble.
dougsolo1
Why would the Yankees even be mentioned here? With the Holliday signing and with Gardner, Ellsbury and Judge in the OF (and Clint Frazier soon), Bautista would not even be a thought to the Yanks.
A'sfaninUK
Judge was bad last year. Bautista be a fine bridge until Judge works out how to hit in the bigs, and then he could move from RF to DH/1B, two other places where the Yankees don’t really have an everyday guy currently.
kiwimlbfan
No way. Declining stats, too expensive and they just got rid of a whole lot of people like him.
A'sfaninUK
Sorry but “the Yankees” and “too expensive” are never things you need to be saying in the same sentence.
lesterdnightfly
Your language and attitude affirm your mock-rebel moniker.
Alas, it’s not a cool act.
kiwimlbfan
If you had followed the Yankees over the last couple of years, you’d understand my statement.
lesterdnightfly
n.b. My post above (“Your language…”) was aimed at a post by YoungNastyMan that was deleted. With thanks to MLBTR.
YoungNastyMan
You are replying to a comment that mentions the Matt Holliday signing and then you say the Yankees don’t have an everyday DH currently 😐
miklosselkirk
This makes me sad, too.
rocky7
Hey Just Another Fan…
Three reasons Joey Bats never sniffs the Bronx
1. He wants big money
2. He wants a multi year contract
3. His skills are indecline
He’s a bridge to nowwhere. Signing aging sluggers in their decline years used to be the Yankees but no more.
Ken M.
Skills in decline? He posted a .366 OBP, and from what I hear, having a .350 or higher OBP as an outfielder brings INSANE value.
kiwimlbfan
Thanks Rocky, I live on the other side of the world and even I know that!
kiwimlbfan
It gets me that commenters don’t understand the current climate. I wonder if they know that a George is dead and those free spending ways are gone (until 2018).
SuperSinker
Well not insane. How the outfielder fields, runs the bases, and impacts the baseball determine how valuable a .350 OBP is.
mikeyank55
Hey another….Judge wasn’t bad, he IS a kid and many players suffer when they jump so quickly between levels.
SuperSinker
Judge is going to be in his age-25 season this upcoming year. It’s getting pretty late to call him a kid. Gonna be sink or swim here soon enough.
rocky7
Hey Dougsolo1
You’re right Bro….why are the Yankees even mentioned regarding Joey Bats by Jon Morosi….
Possibly influence by Bautista’s agent… Morosi must owe something and doesn’t it make convenient sense that in a declining market for his services that mentioning the Yankees, even if there is no connection might do 2 things; pump up some value and get somebody in the AL East involved.
Since he went on the market, there hasn’t been a single rumor even possibly linking Joey Bats to the Bronx….but Jon Morosi sees the need to state the inobvious.
Give me a break! I guess he has to justify his job on MLB Network
ChaplinBaseball
Right on.. that’s why Céspedes inked the deal sooner than expected. If EE still unsigned, that’s bad for Jbats’market. It’s hard to guess which team will pick him… other than Toronto…
rayjay
not even sure Toronto wants him. they can sign 2 or 3 outfielders for less than his QO. between his age, ego and strikeouts, Toronto can wait him out. they can do what they did to EE. They won’t wait for him putting pressure on him to lower his demands
SuperSinker
Only once since 2010 has Bautista’s strikeout rate been above 17%, and that was last year (19.9%). The major league average was 21.1% this year so strikeouts are most definitely not a part of Bautista’s profile.
mstrchef13
Although Duquette mentioned that Bautista is a villain amongst Baltimore’s fans, the bigger obstacle to signing him is his ongoing feuds with Adam Jones and Darren O’Day who carry a lot of weight in the O’s clubhouse. Showalter would not want Bautista if it meant disrupting the clubhouse and angering two of his most respected players no matter how good a fit he might be for the lineup.
patborders92
The homers off O’day and that rookie pitcher were awesome, but I have to assume BAL players lol when he threw out his should trying to throw out Delmin Young at 1st from RF
marinersblue96
I wouldn’t mind the M’s signing him to a 3/$50 million deal. He could play right/1st base and could be a stop gap at DH if Cruz leaves in 2 years.
corkedbat 2
A long ways from his original demands of $150M/5 years!
markmc1235
Yea, that was the most ridiculous contract demand I’ve ever heard of. I’d be nervous giving him a 3 year deal let alone 5. He should go to Colorado with an opt. Out after 1 year If they even want him. 3/50. 20 mil for the furst yesr with an opt out option.
Dookie Howser, MD
Why would the Rockies do that? Pay him $20mil (and give up a draft pick) betting that Bautista lives up to his salary. He either plays well and opts out, or plays like garbage and the Rox are still o nthe hook for 2/$30
SuperSinker
Well they already gave up 11th overall. In for a penny, in for a pound. Plus they could always throw Dahl in AAA and have Desmond patrol LF while Bautista launches at 1B. Would actually improve their chances a bunch I would say.
miklosselkirk
Saying that he “wasn’t quite himself in the power department” because of his 22 home runs is something of a canard, considering that two stints on the disabled list robbed him of quite a few plate appearances.
A'sfaninUK
He had his lowest ISO and SLG since 2009, plate appearances wouldn’t have made much of a difference.
miklosselkirk
Good points, I’ll admit.
mikeyank55
If “Joey Bats” were half as good as his mojo last year his stats would have been respectful. Have you considered the possibility that he is at the beginning of an older age slugger’s slide?
SuperSinker
His phenomenal ability to control the strike zone cushions that declines pretty well.
mike156
Bautista’s price will drop until someone thinks that he’s a deal they can’t pass up. Might be a team with a protected pick, who signs him for a reasonable contract, and looks to deal other players on their roster. While I think the QO for someone 36 is a ridiculous and unfair drag on them, he knew the rules and the risk.
A'sfaninUK
I’m going to buck the tide here and say he still gets an $80+ million multi-year deal, mostly because Jay Alou got Ervin Santana a 4/54 – 5/68 deal after he had an ERA+ of 90 the year before he hit FA.
Also because free agency never ceases to amaze us all in how big a contract a guy with below average numbers gets.
patborders92
Hes the biggest d-bag in the league, but at least he backed up his massive ego with some pretty epic heroics the past few years
A'sfaninUK
There’s way, way worse dbags in MLB. He’s bad on the field but is a totally nice friendly guy off the field. Can’t say that about Jake Arrieta and countless others.
lesterdnightfly
Fascinating. Tell us more about your firsthand knowledge of the personal lives of these ballplayers.
lesterdnightfly
Just Another Fan:
Still waiting…..
patborders92
Your right. Pappelbon is the biggest d-bag in the league. We should get a poll going
Kayrall
How so for Jake Arrieta?
liamsfg
Harper gets my vote “i cut up my batting gloves so people can’t sell it on ebay…” WTF?? Give it to a kid you prick.
SuperSinker
I liked everything you had to say until you brought up Arrieta. There are DUI/domestic abusers in the big leagues. Bautista is a way better human than those degenerates.
bruinsfan94 2
Really hope DD and the Sox get something worked out with him. Got to love it when a player wants to play for your team. Hopefully trading Buch could save them some money and get Joey Bats. I think the sox could use one more solid veteran hitter, and maybe some bullpen depth.
mikeyank55
DD loves trading young players and signing older players to rich contracts with way too many years. They will get nothing for Bucky and find that JB is an empty shell. With no replacement for Papi with half the offensive output, they will be suckered into signing JB and then learning the hard way that he is a negative force in a clubhouse desperate for someone to keep Pablo and Hanley playing and not complaining.
HOUShadows
Jose as no market. He’s gaining no interest at this point he might get a 1 year 10 mil if he’s lucky
Dave 32
Not a lot of demand for a 36 year old guy after a declining season looking for a multi-year deal who also costs a team a draft pick?
Shocked, absolutely shocked. I don’t even think Mystery Team is going to bite on this.
lesterdnightfly
Yes, Mystery Team ! Where’s Heyman with the story?
hojostache
..trying to think up the next “mystery team” he can speculate about.
Solaris611
CLE is one team that makes sense on a 1 or 2 year deal as he could float between 1B, RF,
Nick4747
Yeah I could see that especially if Napoli keeps that 3 year demand. I see him to Cleveland on a 1 year deal maybe an option for a second and Edwin I see as the perfect fit for Texas for 3 years with an opt out.
vinscully16
Bautista is the root cause of his own problems. After years of behaving like a whiney, petulant child it seems teams are distancing themselves from JB – go figure. What goes around, comes around (well, perhaps not so poetically, as eventually he’ll get paid). Personally, I respect the Jays, but I can’t stand Bautista. Jays should have shipped him while they had the chance to gain some talent in return. Let’s hear it, Jays fans, tell us all why Saint Jose could not have been traded. The Jays, like too many of their fans, lack vision (drinking too much of the Rogers Kool-Aid).
jdgoat
Well you see we attempted to win a World Series and that’s hard to do when you trade your best on base guy. How many playoff teams traded a big part of their order last year?
mikeyank55
He wasn’t around enough to be important and when he was in the lineup he was a small part of their order.
SuperSinker
Bautista has been one of the best hitters the past five years. The first indication the Jays are real threats they ought to trade him? How and why.
lesterdnightfly
vinscully16: So you are the one who determines karma ? Heavy job there, vin…..
p.s. Before you cast aspersions on another guy’s character or demeanor, ponder the behavior of some of your Dodger signees and players.
vinscully16
Again, the shortsighted nature of the Jays faithful surfaces – what’s in that Rogers Kool-Aid? The Sox traded Nomar in 2004 in fairly comparable circumstances – seemed to work out pretty good for the Sox. Simply, the Jays lack vision and timely roster moves as they pretend to be a small market team. So tiring. Aspersions? Not quite, I’m not a Dodgers fan, I watch about 120 Jays games a year. Spare me the bleeding heart response and noble defence of character, but even a casual observer of the Jays can plainly see Bautista’s stripes (in fact, Bautista’s at-times checkered past forms a central point of this article). Bautista is selfish, possesses an unlikeable disposition, and made a perfect fool of himself with his $150 million dollar demand (yes, demand) in Spring Training. Why Jays fans refuse to acknowledge Bautista’s shortcomings is beyond me. By the way, the Jays got hot in 2016 when Bautista was hurt and I’d bet good money there are more than a few on the Jays roster that won’t be sorry to see Saint Jose go bye-bye.
liamsfg
Let a guy have an opinion, Mr. Righteous. It’s not a determination of karma, only an observation that clearly provides a good example of the theory of karma.
SuperSinker
Well let him have his counter opinion mr.NameCaller.
lesterdnightfly
liamsfg:
Right, so he can have an opinion, but I can’t make an observation about said opinion? Thanks, “Mr. Censor”.
hittingnull
God, I hope the Yankees don’t get this guy. I hate Bautista.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
citing Bautista’s poor reputation among the Baltimore faithful. (The same, presumably, is true of the Rangers.)
See, I would have no problem with Joey Bats becoming an Oriole
I could see where the Rangers and in particular Rougned Odor would, but I would not.
Especially, if the O’s could sign him to a 2 year deal.
Rbase
Having Odor and Bautista in the same team would make for an interesting clubhouse dynamic. Make it happen Rangers!
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
I didn’t realize this at first because I didn’t see the full video until now, but Beltre was a friend to Bautista that day
jd396
Beltre saved him.
igler
How about Jays sign him to a 3 yr/$45m base contract with the ability for him to earn an additional $5m/year in incentives if he performs . Bautista is so much better than any OF free agent or ones available by trade, and while I like the draft pick coming our way, the Jays could still get prospects in future by trading Bautista.
Ted
I would do it, but I’m not convinced it will take that much. I’d be tempted to offer 2yr/$30MM with a vesting option for 2 more years/$30MM if he gets 1000 PA over the first two years.
gwade
Jays should offer EE and Jose both a 1 yr deal at 1 million less the QO, first who signs gets it, other one can wait it out as FA. They both are unrestricted next year, and the Jays can either trade at deadline or hold on to them if they are in contention.
madmanTX
I think Texas should sign Bautista: Odor needs a punching bag to work out on and we know Bautista’s face can take the beating.
jdgoat
Odor should work out at becoming a better baseball player, since he can’t play defense or get on base
lesterdnightfly
As they say in Texas, Too-shay !
SuperSinker
I’d rather Odor use Matt Bush’s face, unless Bush is busy running over people’s heads or beating up high school kids.
jd396
Texas and Baltimore both make sense on paper but that’s never going to happen because of who he is and how he acts.
Bautista’s reputation for douchebaggery is cutting directly into his earning potential. With his drawbacks – draft pick, lousy D, and having a down season at his age – the last thing he needed to be doing was rant about umps and young opposing pitchers all offseason.
moe 3
True, being a jerk has cost him millions
lesterdnightfly
More to the bigger picture, succeeding at baseball has made him many millions.
Successful clubhouses don’t have to contain only choir boys. Cf. the Yankees with Reggie Jackson and Billy Martin.
jd396
That isn’t a particularly good comparison to where Bautista is at right now
lesterdnightfly
Please elaborate. My point is valid.
jd396
You should probably clarify what your point is exactly, then, because what I thought it was is demonstrably invalid.
SuperSinker
25 players, 25 taxis. Just win and nobody cares.
lesterdnightfly
JD396:
OK, I shall make it simple for you.
Not everyone needs to be buddies for a team to succeed. Plenty of examples from the past. I chose one.
CursedRangers
Daniels has publicly stated (although he could be bluffing) that the Rangers payroll is tapped out.
thomsonsmarket
Not sure why the Giants would be linked to him in any fashion or way, they would not be interested even if there was not a draft pick involved, best to stay in the AL as well.
moe 3
I wonder if he can still play 3rd…probably not well… maybe 1st for the cardinals
koz16
It will be interesting to see if there is a trend where owners don’t want to spend big dollars on mid-30 something free agents. I’ve always thought that is the way that it should be, but previously owners have opened their pocketbooks. If this becomes more common, expect the Player’s Union to file grievances or start talking about collusion.
jd396
It seems like we’re getting past the trend of paying big bucks to watch a guy that was good five years ago age. I know that was great for players but it didn’t mean they were anywhere worth the prices.
CursedRangers
I think it also has to do with the tv money that so many teams saw a huge uptick from over the last few years. The teams increased their payrolls like crazy due to the new revenue coming in. Now, most of these same teams have hit their new financial ceilings. Add in that the class of 2018 FA’s is so strong, another subset of teams seem to be positioning themselves for that class. All in all it is making for a seemingly slow offseason
SuperSinker
It’s more likely that we see less great free agents because teams are better assessing talent and offering deals to secure them long term. Less viable free agents, less money.
lesterdnightfly
I agree with that. Besides, the TV-money factor is not over, it is ongoing. The Cubs, for one, are just about to enjoy the revenue leap from their new TV contract. And the MASN mess is still a factor for the Nats and Orioles.
TRoberts7
I’d like to see the Braves trade Markakis for whatever they can get and go sign Bautista. Braves have a brand new field and hasn’t signed player that makes me want to go waste my money at the new place. Braves will go after Bautista when he gets 40yrs old
jd396
So in three more offseasons
jlv3gem
I love the way the last 10 months have played out for Bautista. Age catching up, ego getting in his own way and getting rocked by Odor. All I need now is for a bottom-feeder like the Brewers, Phillies or Padres to lock him up with a 3 year deal worth about $1M annually with the option for the Club to opt-out at any point. That would be great. I hate that douchebag. He’s irrelevant now so I’m sure the failed urines from the last 6 years will be heard about
jdgoat
Since when is a 117 ops plus irrelevant? Most idiotic comment of the day goes to you congrats
ripcookies
Hope no one signs this scrub so he goes to Japan to play like the rest of the the scrubs no one likes. I can dream right?
SuperSinker
What about his track record suggests he couldn’t hit well next year?
ripcookies
And lol to the one who said Bautista pissed dirty. I doubt you know that for a fact but I always thought something fishy was going down in toronto. Handful of players who were nobody’s becoming homerun kings.
SuperSinker
Who knew that controlling the strike zone and maximizing your contact to your pull field could help you drive the ball.
stormie
Yeah, only Toronto had some secret drug that no one else had, that their players could take with impunity. I mean are you serious?
lesterdnightfly
He probably IS serious. The most judgmental ones have their own internal justifications that will defy logic every time.
JKB 2
He bet on himself … and lost big time!