While the Cardinals have already made two significant additions via free agency, they could consider a third, according to Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. St. Louis is expected to consider free agents Edwin Encarnacion and Mark Trumbo, both of whom exited the Winter Meetings without a contract. Either of those players would presumably factor at first base for the Cards, if they are ultimately pursued. Though the team has said it intends to utilize Matt Carpenter there, he could theoretically shift back to third base if one of those big bats were to be added. (Matt Adams also remains on hand, though the organization already has signaled that it will not use him as a regular option at first with Carpenter’s position change.) Of course, both Encarnacion and Trumbo are somewhat questionable targets for a National League team, since both could well need to shift to a pure DH role at some point in the coming years. Unsurprisingly, then, it seems the Cardinals’ interest may be limited to a scenario where Encarnacion or Trumbo is forced to consider a shorter-term pact, ESPN.com’s Mark Saxon notes on Twitter.
- The most recent Cardinals’ signing was a five-year arrangement with center fielder Dexter Fowler. It’s a sensible deal from the team’s perspective, Keith Law of ESPN.com opines (Insider link). Fowler’s high-OBP bat is a perfect fit for the lineup, Law writes, and he steps right in at a position of obvious need. While Law argues that Fowler came at a solid value, even with a $82.5MM guarantee, the Cards surely would’ve preferred to spend less. But that became nearly impossible when Ian Desmond signed with the Rockies and Adam Eaton went to the Nationals via trade, Jon Heyman of Fan Rag notes on Twitter. St. Louis had been pursuing Desmond along with Fowler, and its hand was forced somewhat by those other moves.
- St. Louis seems inclined to continue focusing on the free-agent market rather than pursuing major trades, MLB.com’s Jenifer Langosch writes. GM John Mozeliak explains that the organization remains loath to part with talented young righty Alex Reyes. After him, he suggests, “maybe we just didn’t have that next tier [of prospects] that was good enough to compete with some of the names being bantered about.” This prospect “gap,” as Mozeliak terms it, would have forced the team either to sacrifice Reyes or a number of other youngsters to find significant upgrades via trade. “The problem you start to run into there is then quantity, and how much are you willing to part with if you’re not willing to move Reyes?” Mozeliak explained. “And that can be a pretty big hit from a volume standpoint. We finally got this system up to where we have some confidence in it. And to move four or five players from there, that would be hard to do.”
cardinalsfan97
yes bring EE to st Louis
jayswethenorth
If cards get EE I will said wow.
Bank On It
They get him and I think they would be about even with the cubs
cardfan2011
Um…no. Cubs still have more talent and firepower. Certainly doesn’t mean the Cardinals won’t try
George Herman
You think Fowler, EE, and Cecil make up 18 games on CHC?
dewssox79
everything lined up perfect for the cubs last year. trying to “make up 18 games” is a bad way to look at it. its a new season…WAR will change.
chamerhammer
Sorry but that is delusional. The Cubs are stacked with a better and deeper team that the cards at almost every position with or without EE.
ChiSoxCity
Nothing lined up perfect about Schwarber injury and bullpen collapse prior to Chapman signing. They could very well be better than last year.
southpawbeezo
Not just Fowler and EE would. But with Lynn back and Reyes for a full year. I think we will compete with them.
Outlaws12
Cubs minus Chapman, Fowler, and Ross. That’s three really big pieces the Cubs will miss.
BSPORT
Ross easy replacement, Fowler can be replaced cheaper or within(was a rental for the last two year run and theo is smart enough to save money to get more than one bullpen arm to help. I’m sure that’s what madden wants after riding chapman to the limits. They can replace Fowlers 260-270 average with 10-15 homers a year for much less money.
themed
Save money? Uh Heyward!
Vedder80
The Cubs made up what, 21 games with an addition of what? Hayward? The whole “make up 18 games” is one of the stupidest things I have seen that for whatever reason, people are constantly relaying.
Vedder80
But they can’t replace his almost .400 obp for less. He wasn’t there to hit home runs. He was there to score when Bryant and Rizzo hit doubles.
teufelshunde4
Do you think ChC will pull off 3 straight years where pitching and core guys stay 100% healthy?
Cubs are a outstanding team… Wont argue that… But dont act like they get a 17.5 game lead to start 2017… Both teams play 162… Both gotta overcome in 2017..
mitt24
Funny
themed
No they aren’t!
themed
Not as good!
thor would look better in red
Fowler was a three win player. that takes six games away from the gap. you put Edwin on the team and he adds 5 wins. you take away Ross on the cubs and wood and that’s another two more wins. I think that the cards can make a five game margin disappear by adding these players and having waino and Lynn back at full strength as well as Reyes for 170 innings
magicis4x
The Cubs do not have more fire power. You have a player being paid $185 million for six home runs, your catalyst for Bryant and Rizzo at the top of the order is gone. Almora Jr. is unproven, and Scharwber is coming off a serious injury you can’t run him every day, and for everything Zobrist did he is still 36.
Wade Davis is not Chapman. Martinez can match any pitcher in Baseball, and Reyes is lightning in a bottle and is only going to get better. Work horse Lance Lynn is back and he was throwing 96/97 before the team shut him down so we will be just as strong, and any addition of Trumbo (better fit because he plays third)or Encarcion will makes even stronger
Birdwatching2017
Wow! Couldn’t have said it any better myself. It will come down to managing and team chemistry. Injuries are going to happen. Cubs had an aura of invincibility last year. Is that Maddon? Might be
charlie2457
are you crazy. cards will not compete with the cubs,
Sid Bream
@Bsport Ross is no “easy replacement”, the guy was a great pitch framer, plus he calls a great game and has the pitcher’s confidence. You can’t just buy that.
TrueOutcomeFan
Full seasons of Schwarber, Contreras and a deeper new look bullpen. All three of those departing players were replaced at relatively low dollar and prospect costs. Would like to see the updated 2017 ZIPS projections for CHC and STL since the winter meetings and compare them to 2016 projections and actual results.
thesip23
Are you a Cardinals fan?
WhenWillRangersWinWS
What is the Cardinals pitching rotation vs the Cubs rotation?
Bloomer76
Go all in and sign EE for 1st, Turner for 3rd, move Carp to 2nd.
cardinalsfan97
that would be awesome
James_07
I agree
RedFeather
1. Fowler CF
2. Carpenter 2B
3. Encarnacion 1B
4. Turner 3B
5. Piscotty RF
6. Diaz SS
7. Molina C
8. Grichuk LF
9. Pitcher
Filthy.
cards1982
1. Fowler CF
2. Diaz SS
3. Carpenter 2B
4. Piscotty RF
5. Jhonny Peralta 1B
6. Grichuk LF
7. Molina C
8. GYORKO 3B
9. Pitcher
magicis4x
That would be great, but you’re forgetting that Kolten Wong is the most gifted fielder on the team and we Ithaca his head on right true gold glove 2nd base. Trumbo 30 requires first round draft pick, Edwin Encarcion 30+ first round draft pick, Turner 28 first round draft pick, for all three you don’t have enough draft picks for that
bluecard
you do realize they already spent their pick on fowler, right?
kaido24
i agree go all in now. The Cardinals are going to be hit with some sort of fine or loss of draft picks for the Houston hacking scandal eventually. Buy what you need now before that hits.
JFactor
Well that wouldn’t happen to this draft class, it would 2018
SimplyAmazin91
Trumbo or EE would set up quite a few trade scenarios in that infield. Adams would be moved for spare parts and Peralta would too.
HOUShadows
Cardinals may really be pushing on the Cubs!
teufelshunde4
who cares about Cubs? Build best team you can and play the season…. Cubs dont get a 17.5 game lead Opening Day…They gotta play the games too… This is baseball… Nothing is a sure thing…
Cruzanconfusion
Wow, your out of touch! Haven’t you heard the cubs won exactly 1 World Series in the past 100 years. The cubs are now a dynasty and entitled to represent the NL in the World Series for the next 100 years to come
ericw93
Wow, bitter much?
justinept
Waaaaah. Stupid Cubs fans think their team is better than the Cardinals. Waaah.
teufelshunde4
Cruz is being sarcastic..
IK its tough for Cubs fans to ever think of anyone challenging their team.now.
Baseball isnt basketball or football..
Lets see how Theo maintains while drafting at back end of draft… Lets see how a hard international cap effects Cubs..
Lets see how Cubs overcomes injuries…
Cubs have a long way to go b4 you can call them a dynasty…
Cruzanconfusion
Yes I am, with good reason. Imagine if heyward has a monster year and hits .231 with 8HR and has 50RBI, no team in baseball will catch the cubs
brownbomber
Cardinals already passed the cubs up.
themed
Yes bring them in and get back on top of the NL central where they belong and are usually have been the past 20 years.
Flubs
R u trying to win the dumbest commenter contest? You can barely put a sentence together. You must be from St. Louis
seth3120
Ok Flubs I’m going to bypass the Stl comment to focus on just how poorly written it was and how difficult it was to read. You have to be careful though. That one buddy that’s a little off and we all give him trouble is all in good fun. But once someone’s IQ drops low enough you go from a ball buster to public enemy number one. I’ve been to sporting events in every city and if you pay attention you’ll find a lot of mentally handicapped people are die hard fans.
WhenWillRangersWinWS
Cubs win one World Series in 100 years and now they are some how more superior then the Cards.
Let’s get something straight. I hate the Cards!
They beat my Rangers in the 2011 WS. Although I still think Nellie should have made “the catch!”
But that’s old news.
I do know that the Cards are rich in history. A constant and consistent winner!
There is no Bartman drama. No BS goat issues going on in St. Louis. They just win!!!!
I am impressed by that organization and jealous of the fan base.
So before we start bashing the Cards because the Cubs FINALLY won a WS.
Remember there is always the next year.
The Cubs don’t hold the title reign forever.
It all begins again in April!!
JFactor
I appreciate Moz’s perspective. I’m not a big fan of spending in free agency, but Fowler makes plenty of sense.
But then to add E5 still would be quite the explosion.
They could move Peralta and get a mid level prospect still and Carpenter go back to third.
relic
EE would be a great sign, adding nice thump to the middle of the line-up.
If nothing else, it would create a bench with lots of power – Peralta, Adams and Gyorko. Wow!
chino31
No way EE signs a short deal and play first full time. If so, change his name from EE to E3.
comebacktrail28
lol that was good
teufelshunde4
Offer 1/25 or 2/50 to EE. EE cannot receive another QO so short term deal would allow EE to reenter market unattached. Trade Adams for whatever.
Keep Peralta as backup SS & 3B. Gyrrko and Peralta form a versatile core of strong bench.
Use Rosie and Wacha as tandem heLp relievers. Paves the road for controlling Reyes IP while experimenting with how best to deploy tandem heLp relievers.
Marco G and Lyons are your depth in SP.
JFactor
Peralta can also play left if necessary
magicis4x
Really good scenario. I think Adams would bring more value being he is young, big, and strong. We had 18 homeruns off the bench, so the value of a good bench is key too.
robertj53086
I’m curious to know, that if this report is accurate, are they going for the big ticket names? Or would they go for Chris Carter or Adam Lind?
smelliott00
I think it’s only the big ticket names. They don’t really have a need on the infield, but if the price/years drops on one of the best players in the class, the Cardinals would consider themselves opportunistic. But there isn’t a clear opening on the infield so only makes sense to add if it is a clear upgrade, which Carter and Lind are not.
robertj53086
Thanks.
magicis4x
Chris Carter over 200 strikeouts. No way and is not the greatest firstbase. If you are going to move Carpenter let it be worth it. 40+ homeruns is a lot but not at the expense of so many strikeouts. Lind I was high on previously but haven’t heard much out of him lately.
CursedRangers
If the Cards can somehow get EE for 3 years that would be a perfect scenario. His market seems to have dropped enough where that shorter term contract might be possible.
On an entirely different note, is it just me or is it nothing but crickets for Joey Bats?
SandyAlomar
I think he would pick the Tribe over the Cards at this point if here similar contracts involved. He is on a team that remains intact from a WS run and he could spend time between 1b/dh. What I expect is it runs cold and he pulls a cespedes, one giant contract front loaded for a year with an opt out after the first.
whereslou
I would like to see Dipoto look into the trading Cisheck to a team that needs a closer and Smith then signing EE with an opt out clause to play 1st for Seattle. He could use Valencia in the OF and and send the young kids down to AAA for another year. That would really improve the team and make the line up scary especially if Segura can continue to hit like he did last year. Not necessarily the HRs but the hits. He needs to get on base then have EE Cano Cruz and Seager after him that would be tough lineup.
mikeerwin
That is the answer shorter term just add more money they have the money to spend offer a 3 year contract
cardfan2011
I would be shocked if they signed EE or Trumbo, but it is possible, especially now that they lost their 1st round draft pick, there’s no harm in losing the 2nd round pick as well
santosPinkyToe
Yea no harm whatsoever. Not surprised.
timyanks
mo needs to quit showing his hand. maybe he could get some tips from fowler. dexter lives in vegas
timyanks
reynolds, wiggington, not trumbo too
Cardinals17
I’m pleasantly surprised. We’re usually disappointed after the winter meetings and trade deadlines. At least he got a descent player instead of Low hanging fruit! I’ll eat crow in front of everyone if another big name bat is signed!!! I’ll have my salt and pepper ready!!!!
bpskelly
There is a 1000% chance we wont finish farther behind the Cubs than this past year. Barring injury, and even then it’s debatable. That doesnt mean the Cubs wouldnt be the favorite, they should be.
I would not sign Trumbo, regardless of how ‘sweet’ of deal could be had. He’s marginally better than Brandon Moss over all, and Moss is likely better in the field at two positions than he is at one. Edwin is another story. He’s a better hitter than Trumbo, but is older. How long do you want to go on a guy who’s 34 on opening day. My guess is it won’t “fall” to the Cardinals in a 3 year deal, but who knows.
With the Cards likely to get dinged on money and/or picks from the league office for “Astrosgate” it wouldnt be the worst thing in the world to spend some $$$ now to stock up for what could be setbacks the next season or two.
Having EE mash for the next two seasons, even if the third year is a bit ‘dead’ would be pretty awesome. Dude can rake, and likely will. Picking it at 1st is the real question.
Outlaws12
EE is actually pretty good at 1st and would get better with more playing time.
1e828d29
Wow if the cards get EE that’s huge for them
sabertooth
I wouldn’t pan signing EE, but I think Turner would be a better fit. If we want to compete with the Cubs, we’ve got to play better defense…especially with a ground ball pitching staff.
mattgarcia2324
EE is not a fit in the national league. More time on the field can result in injury then you lose the bat as well. I believe he will end up with the Indians, royals or back in Toronto.
justinept
The additions of Fowler and potentially Encarnacion don’t do enough to overtake the Cubs, imo. Unless Wainwright can be the pitcher he was three years ago, the pitching gap – both in the rotation and the bullpen – is enormous. The same can be said of run prevention where the Cubs defense is among the best ever (stats can prove this…) while the Cardinals were among the worst in the league last year. From an offensive standpoint, the Cardinals would look really good. And they’d be able to hit their way into the playoff picture. But over a 162 game season, the Central is still the Cubs to lose.
timyanks
lasr i checked, the standings for 2017 was no wins, no loses for both clubs. paper stats mean nothing.
JFactor
Cards are probably 15 wins behind to start the off-season.
The Cubs haven’t improved any (yet*) and possibly lost a win or two with the loss of Fowler.
The cards have improved probably 3 wins with Fowler and another win with Cecil.
Another 3-5 with someone like E5 and literally anything from Wong, Pham, Grichuk, Wainwright, Lynn and they have closed that gap.
But being a 90 win team should at least put them in a playoff position any way.
Tdog12
The Cards still have an elite rotation. The Cubs whole pitching staff had great years because of the stellar defense. That’s why the Cards focused on defense. Kyle Hendricks all of the sudden turned into a Cy Young contender, and Jon Lester pitched the season of his life (the man can’t even throw to first), the large majority of the difference was defense. They are fine pitchers, but they both aren’t likely to repeat the same success. The Cards had a historically good rotation a year before, it benefitted from defense. Next year with similar defense, the Cards and Cubs will even out. But the only way the gap closes is thru defense.
LeoGetz
Cards have ELITE rotation, is that what you just said…HAHAHAHAHAHA. Christ man please pull your head out of you butt. Lester pitched the season of his life? Check out his stats the last 3 years, I mean are you bias or just stupid?
Cardinals17
Very True.
BoSoxs4life
I am hoping The Red Sox make a run at EE, I still think you need a big power bat.
seth3120
EE to the Cards won’t happen. When Mo says they will look for lower tier that’s what’s happening. If he says nothing then you never know they like the mystery team approach as well
Tdog12
Cardinals need to stop thinking about the Cubs, and focus on their brand of baseball. They went to 4 straight NLCS for a reason, they know how to run a top notch organization. Focus on fixing weaknesses, then they can win it all.
Rooster24
EE would bring some much needed offense. Move Carp back to 3rd. Then trade Peralta
magicis4x
The only teams to ever repeat back to back 100 wins seasons are the Yankees and Braves once and the Cardinals twice. With all the moves up and down things should change in wins and losses.
Now the Cubs will not win 100 games but let’s say 96, and if the Cardinals go 500 at home then you have a 10 game reversal.
The goal is not necessarily to catch the Cubs, all we have to do is play defense. We lost several games from bad defense and not all of it was on Diaz or Grichuk, but the team as a whole. If we move from 24th to 15th you have 7-8 wins. Now you had a five games stretch were we lost 5 straight games to the Rangers and Astros when leading after eight innings. The relieving core collapsed, but with a better strategy moving Rosenthal a closer to a middle of game shut down closer like Miller, and Oh still solid closing. Wacha, Cecil, and Siegrist as setup men would really be great. The starting rotation should be stronger with the addition of Reyes and return of Lance Lynn. This going to be an exciting season.
santosPinkyToe
And then reality happened
timyanks
reality did happen. not only is this story a rumor, it was fiction. can you say, fake news.
dtwb93
This move is a must! We need a big bat to keep up with Cubs. And now that we already lost our first round pick on Fowler the signing won’t even hurt us.
Cardinals17
Would Edwin Encarnacion even have a Desire to be in the Cardinal organization???? If so, the Cardinals are going to either have to over pay, or add an extra year or both. Are the Cardinals truly willing to do that?
fstop13
What do you mean by this? If he had the desire to play for the Cardinals why would they have to over pay. Usually I would think if he wanted to play somewhere there is a chance he would take less not more
dtwb93
EE is the key to bringing down the Cubs!