TODAY: St. Louis is not “actively” working to acquire Dozier, per ESPN.com’s Mark Saxon (via Twitter).
YESTERDAY, 8:55pm: Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post tweets that the Nationals haven’t made any “serious” inquiries in Dozier. That could suggest that the Nats at least did some due diligence and checked in on the asking price, but with no natural fit for Dozier in D.C., it doesn’t seem they’re in hot pursuit. For those speculating on other possible landing spots for Dozier, FanRag’s Jon Heyman tweets that the Braves aren’t in on Dozier, and Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press tweets that the Athletics aren’t in play either.
3:56pm: The Cardinals and Nationals are both among the teams showing interest in Twins second baseman Brian Dozier, 1500 ESPN’s Darren Wolfson reports (Twitter link). The Cardinals are “very much in” the mix for the slugger, while the Nats “remain in dialogue” with the Twins. The Dodgers and Giants, two clubs previously connected to Dozier (moreso Los Angeles), are also still involved, though the Giants are “trying to get creative” to make a deal work, as per Wolfson.
Multiple teams were known to have checked in on Dozier this winter, which wasn’t surprising given his power explosion last year (42 homers) and very affordable contract ($15MM owed through the 2018 season). While his production over the last four seasons and his relatively low price tag would theoretically make him of interest to any team, the Cards and Nats are both somewhat surprising suitors given their infield surpluses.
St. Louis’ projected starting infield looks like Aledmys Diaz at short, Matt Carpenter at first, Jedd Gyorko at either third or second, perhaps alternating between the two positions to give playing time to Jhonny Peralta at third and Kolten Wong at second. That’s not even counting Carpenter’s own ability to move between second and third, nor does that include first baseman Matt Adams’ availability against righty pitching or the versatile Greg Garcia. One would think that if the Cardinals did acquire Dozier, at least one of these names would be going back to Minnesota — a younger, affordable player like Wong makes the most sense, though that’s just my speculation. Wong’s value is hardly at its peak right now, though, and any trade figures to be centered around young pitching.
Washington seems like even less of a fit, as Daniel Murphy is entrenched at second base, though metrics such as Defensive Runs Saved and UZR/150 have long considered Murphy to be a below-average defender there. Acquiring Dozier to play second and moving Murphy to play first isn’t really a fit given the presence of Ryan Zimmerman. While the longtime Nats fixture has been plagued by injuries in recent years and saw his production badly drop off in 2016, Zimmerman is probably too expensive ($46MM through 2019) to simply be relegated to a bench role. The Nats also have third base spoken for in the form of Anthony Rendon.
With the Twins in rebuilding mode, trading Dozier for a wealth of prospects makes sense, though the club hasn’t been thought to be in any particular rush to move their second baseman given his value as an asset. The Dodgers were reportedly willing to offer top pitching prospect Jose De Leon as part of a Dozier trade, though Minnesota has been holding out for more, either from L.A. or another team.
It’d be a solid pick up for the cards depending on what they have to give up
Guys Dozier is not really a fit in StLouis or Wash… move on
How is he not a fit? He’s better than Wong or Peralta.
Oh well there you have it. badco44 has made it clear he is not a fit and everyone needs to move on. This guy is a fit anywhere buddy.
he fits on 30 teams.
Well let’s not get carried away there are a few teams that are set and really can’t use Dozier at 2nd.
he fits on 30 teams
badco44 why dont you move on and stay away
Got him! Any team would love to have him and would find a way to get him in the lineup
cardinals make it happen then move Wong to third or put carpenter at third and work Wong at first
Wong at first might be the most bizarre suggestion I’ve heard for the Cardinals all off-season. His value is at 2B only.
put dozier at frost or third then they need to keep Wong in the lineup
Why would you need to keep Wong in the lineup? lol…he would probably be one of the players going to the twins
Dozier is a good defender at 2B, moving him to first would be wasted value.
Colorado seems to know otherwise though.
Depends on who they would trade.
Honestly -I would be completely shocked if they traded for Dozier
I’m with you. Mostly because I think they really like Wong.
But under no circumstance will Wong or Dozier be playing 1B.
off meds are we?? lol
Well that’s interesting. Wong, Weaver, and Sosa?
I could see Wong,Weaver,Adams,Sosa for Dozier
Something like that might get you close. Maybe add Adams.
I realize it’s quantity, but there is some upside there.
But I bet other teams can beat that offer
Sure, any team can beat that offer, including the Cardinals.
Dozier is a really nice player that I’d be on board with getting. But if the price us going to be absurd(which it very well could be) then the Cardinals will likely pass. Dozier would be a luxury.
Any deal for Dozier would probably have to start with both Weaver and Reyes. I could see something like Reyes, Weaver, Wong, and Perez for Dozier. Maybe throw in Trevor Rosenthal as a reclamation type player
I think the Twins would jump at that…STL’s top 2 pitching prospects, plus a top infield prospect (and Wong to boot). Sounds good to me.
Reyes will not be moved for Dozier, end of story.
And I know your response “well then they won’t get Dozier”. And maybe you’re right and it would take Reyes. But if that’s the case, Dozier won’t be traded anywhere this year.
Reyes, Weaver, Wong, and Perez for Dozier would get Mo fired, and for good reason. Even suggesting this trade shows a complete lack of understanding of baseball reality. And adding Rosenthal to it is just outright insane. Go talk about football or something, alt2tab.
Agreed- never in a million years- horrible suggestion
that’s why you’re not a gm. absolute over payment. that’s not anywhere near a square deal
Never said it would be a good deal for the Cards, but that’s the price they should have to pay if they want an MVP caliber player like Dozier. Especially if the Dodgers are willing to offer De Leon, Bellinger , the Twins have every right to ask for the Cards’ top two specs
Dodgers aren’t willing to offer bellinger in any trade I’m not the gm but it’s quiet obvious they feel about him close to as much they did about seager before an untouchable kind of likenurias unless it’d be in a trade for a star like sale and they didn’t even do that what makes you think they do it for dozier I think it ends up being de Leon Calhoun and Stewart or not trade gets done
Any Cards fan who thinks they can get Dozier without giving up Reyes is delusional
Then there won’t be a deal made with the Cardinals, I guess…..6 years of Reyes is way more valuable than a couple years of Dozier (and it’s doubtful that he repeats his 2016 production anyway)…….I’m guessing 32 HR’s tops
Since this has made it into a rumor section.. That means the likelihood of happening is zip..
Mo runs a tight ship on his deals.. No news or rumors until its real news.. Things that becomes rumors are typically conversations from weeks or days past.
Yes completely agree I’m a dodgers fan and that’s what I mean about bellinger dozierbwould be nice but a future all star 1b isn’t worth giving up for 2 years of dozier like I understand nothing is sure with these top guys but it’s more of a 70-80% sure thing so it’s not worth it de Leon is more than enough for us to give up as the main piece in a trade. And I think it would be beyond stupid of the cards to give up Reyes for two years of dozier
Yes it’s all bs isn’t it strange how the three teams interested now are the teams that are a threat to the dodgers in the playoffs and overall picture . The cards the nats and the Giants , this isnjust a way for the twins to try and bring the price up they don’t get we are not stupid. Like I said this trade ether gets done with de Leon being the biggest piece or he’s stay in Minnesota
Well that’s how trades for impact players generally work. You trade 5 years of team control of an unproven minor league player(s) for less years of control over a player that’s a guaranteed commodity. While the hype around players like De Leon, Bellinger, Reyes, etc. is high, there’s a good chance that they won’t end up as the impact players that their hype suggests. Thus, the risk ultimately falls on the Twins in any Dozier trade, giving them the right to ask for multiple high-end prospects
I could pretty much bet all 3 will turn out to be stars to average such as dozier is . Besides his one year he won’t repeat he’s a decent 2b so yeah I wouldn’t trade that for him good thing two teams have to agree.
Dozier is the least of guaranteed lol players like Cabrera , cespedes , sale thosebare guarantees dozier is so up in the air and I’m not even using that against him I only bring that up because you said he’s a guarantee guy could easily hit 240. His career avg with about 15 hr at dodger stadium so he’s no guarantee we seen howbplayers choke when they actually play for a contending team
Dozier has averaged a 4.1 fWAR over the first four years of his career. The only other second basemen that averaged mor value in that time are Cano, Kinsler, and Pedroia, each of which are older and more expensive. Dozier is a perennial All-Star and his defensive value alone makes him worth the prospects he’ll be traded for.
Stewart is far, far too valuable to be included
Reyes is sick. He won’t be going anywhere except #2 or #1 in the Cardinals rotation.
Dodgers would rather pay kinsler who I honestly think is better and more proven than dozier if they have to give up bellinger or Alvarez along with de Leon no doubt about it like I said that’s why as a dodger fan I’m not worrying about this the dodgers have all the power on this one even tho some twin fans would argue and have the right to there opinion I’ll just be laughing when what I’m sure is gonna happen happens
Exactly hahahah I’m being so reasonable you’re giving them a #2-3 and a number 3-4 in the rotainon guy possibility for many years and another position player for 2 years of dozier and they want more it’s a joke if takes more than that I want them to walk , rayswould be happy with the main piece being Deleon and so would the tigers . I kinda wanna laugh when dozier hits 240. With 16 hr next year so part of me doesn’t want this to go down now
They want Reyes for 2 years so if dozier who could probably hit 20 hr for cards next year with 250 ba
Ever heard of punctuation?
I am a twins fan and if I say any deal involving rayes I would say yes so fast honestly I don’t think they’re going to include Reyes and I think that the Cardinals can get a deal done without him he would be great but probably more likely to be Weaver wong and a third piece
THAts my point if they don’t include Reyes , dodgers have the best offer in the table so thisbtalk that these teams are involved is all being said by the twins trying to get more from dodgers
Hahahahaha – Reading your posts is a chore. Learn how to write. It’s sad that a grown adult(assumption) still resorts to this level of grammar.
My name is Carlos I am 12
well biasis you are at least a reasonable twins fan…no way are the cardinals going to give up Reyes for Dozier. honestly Wong is a great player and if the Twins were to get him in return along with Weaver and another pitcher it would be a great deal for them. I could also see the Cardinals offering you Weaver, either gonzalez or Gomber (both lefties) and maybe another pitching prospect…that’s three pitching prospects…one of them is bound to work out if not two…whats funny is alt2tab wants reyes and weaver lol Reyes alone should get dozier and the twins should cough up another minor league player just to get Reyes, if not more
Are you out of your mind or just plain out rambling ! There is no way Mozeliak will trade Reyes especially for Dozier.. It is highly unlikely he will even let Wong go in a trade like that. Do you actually follow the Cardinal trades or read the St. Louis papers. If that trade where to happen, the Twins are looking for proven pen pitches, If I had to guess it would be more like Weaver, Gomber, and a position player, with an outside chance of someone like Adams in that deal, and that is still way to much.. Wongs defense metrics are so much better then Dozier, all Dozier is providing is an upgrade on offence, which they do need. I do not see this happening..
lol that is crazy…if the Twins want Reyes they would have to give up Dozier plus a couple minor league players….Reyes is worth more than Dozier by far…you are talking about a #1 rotation piece for 2 years of an average second baseman…the Cardinals already have wong who is probably a year away from being just as good as Dozier
I think some people are putting too much stock into the small sample size that Reyes has had in the MLB. I’m not saying he won’t be good but assuming he’s going to be a #1 starter is ridiculous especially considering how much he struggled in the minors this past year. I’m not saying the Cards should definitely trade him for Dozier, just that, if I were the Twins, he would have to be included. None of the other Cards prospects are all that enticing, especially to frontline a package for an MVP-caliber player.
The Cardinals have plenty of prospects that should be enticing..Weaver and Badger are in MLBs top 100 prospect list…Gonzalez probably would have been but he had TJ surgery…Gomber had the best pitching stats in the AFL this year….The cardinals have a good minor league system in which most of those prospects become valuable mlb players. that is why this rumor doesnt hold value…like dodgers fans are saying, the twins are just trying to up his value…the cardinals rely on there system probably more than any other team in baseball. Reyes will shine this year under Yadi’s arm. Honestly the dodgers are offering the best deal and the twins should jump on it and quit wasting Doziers talent
This is a situation I hadn’t really thought about because it seems like they’re focused on giving Wong playing time and making Peralta the odd man out if there was to be one. Dozier sure would good in Cardinal red though. He would make that lineup extremely deep and would pick up lots of RBIs hitting behind Fowler, Diaz, and Carpenter.
I think the Jose De Leon offer is the only one really worth considering for the Twins. Dozier would be a good keeper for the Twins if the offers don’t get better than that though
I agree. If the Twins don’t get what they want, then they just keep him. An All-Star with an affordable contract. Also hope that the new regime’s drafting of pitchers improves so that they can develop their own young guns
I agree. I don’t think anyone can match or beat the Dodgers offer. Maybe the Braves, but I have no idea what their plans are (rebuilding/contending). Would probably still prefer a Dodgers trade even then though. Guess it just depends what the “plus” part is in each trade.
In the end, the Dodgers add another premium prospect or two this deal and get Dozier. I could see DeLeon, Calhoun, Mieses (OF) and hard throwing minor league relief pitcher Jacob Rhame for Dozier. Get it done LAD!
Dodgers need to get some right handed bats to balance out their lineup (.213/.290/.332 vs lefties). Strange they haven’t addressed this at all this offseason .. Dozier would be a solid pickup for them (so would have EE.. so would be mccutchen) and a more natural fit than EE/AM..
this would make a great xmas gift!! hell just getting rid of Wong would be wonderful!
Wong Weaver & Alcantara! do it Mo!!
I think they should keep Alcantara
Agreed. He has a very high ceiling. Would not be a shock if he’s viewed as a top 25-50 prospect in all of baseball by this time next year. There’s plenty of pitching depth that if Weaver is going, they should be able to put out a pretty enticing offer. Fernandez or Gomber instead of Alcantera I’d be fine with.
Twins are just trying to make the Dodgers pay a higher price. They’ve been leaking teams for months, but I don’t Freidman panics.
Yeah, seems like a final attempt at driving up the price. This Dodgers front office hasn’t shown panic before, so I can’t see them being baited. The Twins will need to show their hand eventually – either take a package or keep him..just get on with it.
When they dealt Kendrick I wanted to take it as a sign of confidence that a range of better 2B options were available as trades. I’d hate to think they narrowed those options down to the one, and that they aren’t still actively looking into Phillips or Kinsler et al.
Is Phillips really the answer? That’s a tough one. I think the decline has been monumental.
How do you mean? His last two seasons of production are actually at or above his career line in most respects. With only one year left on his contract the Reds will have to fish or cut bait on him some time this season. He could probably be had for a lot less than the Twins seem to be demanding for Dozier.
We don’t need a top 3 2B in my opinion, just someone who can hit fairly well and play good defense. Not sure if that’s Phillips, but there are other options out there than just Dozier.
Forsythe Haha dude they want us to give up de Leon and bellinger for two years of dozier
I’m not sure why the Twins would take Wong back as a part of the deal. He is not good and has 4 years remaining on his contract.
Cards don’t have a Deleon, so if the twins aren’t taking Deleon they aren’t talking with the cardinals unless it involves Reyes. In which case the cards would have been better off giving EE 4/100. Dozier -Reyes <<<<< overpaying for EE. He should have been a cardinal, sit Jhonny, who cares, make the team better with your biggest resource, which right now is money.
Not a cards fan, just saying they missed a great chance with EEs diminished market, aren’t trading for dozier without Reyes, and would be a big mistake to trade Reyes. Don’t think they’re a player here.
I guess we should take your word over the people actually involved with baseball then.
Seems like a rational reply to an opinion. But I cringed at your posts like I have all of them for the past couple years. St. Louis fans second to none when stupidly overvaluing their players. I live ten mins from Busch and hear it everyday. Weaver is a BORP, nice controllable two pitch piece, but one of 5 or so to go to minn to be on par with a Deleon package if you’re not trading Reyes. Alcantara, Wong, etc gone. should have signed EE because they have money, like I said. This is a horrible alternative, and much higher in the possible flameout category.
Actully I agree with KNOLLN he has something there
Well since you live 10 minutes from Busch that makes your uninformed posts more valuable.
I, by no means, overvalue every player. I actually don’t like Weaver as much as the “experts” that are ranking him as a top 50 prospect. I don’t think Fernandez is any good. I think Carson Kelly is overvalued around baseball because of 1 good offensive season. But I also know De Leon gas some pretty big question marks himself.
While the Cardinals don’t have De Leon (obviously only 1 team does) they do have Alex Reyes who is a much higher regarded pitching prospect.
I don’t think De Leon’s value would be that much higher than Weaver’s. If the Dodgers aren’t willing to include other pieces the Twins like(as reported) I could see the Cardinals being able to top their offer
I think you’re kind of right about Weaver. It’s all dependent on how the twins view DeLeon v Weaver. Plus the other pieces going back.
KnollN, I think your analysis is spot on. Reyes is a better prospect than JDL and the Cards would be fools to deal him for Dozier. Personally, I think JDL may be an overpay IF the Dodgers also have to give up additional 1-10 prospects.
I respect what the Twins are trying to do here; but Dave Stewart is no longer a player and the organizations being discussed as possible partners are all fairly astute. Seems like a good chance Dozier just stays in Minnesota.
Weaver and De Leon are pretty well equal in prospect value. Weaver is a year younger to boot. They’re both projected as #2-3 starters going forward.
Yeah, this wreaks of “mystery team” desperation. No way the Nationals or Cardinals match up on this one. Twins are just trying to push some rumors out to squeeze more out of the Dodgers.
We have a winner.
Something around wong and Weaver seems interesting we could also drive up the Dodgers offer I think Weaver has more potential than de Leon but de Leon has a much better floor
Idk why its assumed Zimmerman cant be benched. If he returns to pre-2016 levels, sure thats a useful ballplayer. If he repeats his 2016 .640 ops, then you better bench him, if not release if he somehow gets worse. Backup CI and pinch hitter.
I dont see how anyone can run out that bad a bat at 1st base.
Probably unmoveable, but at some point you gotta carl crawford dudes when you have better options or chances to improve.
I guess they likely wanna see if he can rebound since he was their first guy. But if he doesnt improve fron last year, itd be smart to sit him on the bench.
The only reason why this story was brought to our attention is to send trading leverage to the Dodgers’ front office. I felt this same tactic was being used when the Giants (LA’s biggest rival) were rumored to be in on Dozier. SF does not have the talent to trade for someone of Dozier’s caliber nor do they need him. Now DC and STL (again, huge rivals of LAD) are in the mix? This does not make sense for either team! STL and DC are loaded in the infield and do not have room for Dozier on their rosters… I see right through you Twins. The De Leon plus another piece is the best offer you’ll get… Just take it!
I agree, it makes little sense for SF to be in on this guy. Yeah they could add maybe 20 runs to their team HR total (which is a stated goal of theirs) but are they going to trade away Panik who is a fan favorite, super cheap, under team control for ages and just won a gold glove? Maybe they use one of them at 3B but I agree that these other teams are trying to drive up LA’s cost of acquisition.
Not that I’d be against them trading Nunez but it’s going to cost more than Nunez to get Dozier.
Doubt the Twins would want Nunez back. Was surprised at how good the return was for trading him to the Giants in the first place.
True. I didn’t think about that! Then I have a new theory if if in face SF are interested. They trade other players for him and trade Nunez with another team for prospects.
But still don’t think SF would have the prospects to get him and still don’t think SF want him.
As a Cub fan I am clearing my throat already for the chants for Dozier…… ahem… “O-VER-RATE-ED” *clap-clap – clap-clap-clap*
What? At his worst he’s still a 2-win player who can hit while fielding a premium position with no major injury history.. He’s not overrated in the slightest.
You mean like Heyward for 184 million overrated?
Can you tell me who won the 2016 world series? Go back to St. Louis if you want to talk about the Cubs because that’s all Cardinals fans ever want to talk about because the Cardinals don’t give them any entertainment.
I’ve got a feeling Cubs fans are going to bring this up for the next 100 years!!!
No. Just until late October because they will win it all again this year with Baby Ruth Schwarber
That’s kind of funny. Look what comment started this little conversation.
The cubs barely won it and almost gave it up last year.. Congrats on your one championship in 108 years.. here’s to another 108. You of all people should understand how hard it is to win the World Series let alone back to back so I would keep it to a minimum until you guys win another or say 3 in the next 10-15 years….
Hey cub fans act like you’ve been there before. Oh wait never mind.
Here’s a question for you: did you watch at least one baseball game last year? Any game? Ok, so I guess you haven’t noticed how hard it is to beat this Cubs dynasty. I would bet anyone the Cubs win over five world series the next ten years! That is how good they are. They won 103 without Baby Ruth Schwarber and with Heyward completely lost. Watch out! The Cards will be lucky to finish within 18 games of the Cubs.
I’m a Cubs fan & I’d take this bet any day of the week. Winning is WS is extremely difficult. Their SP will most likely regress next season & following that they have a lot of holes to fill in the rotation. Cubs fans need to chill with the dynasty talk. They have a good team, & should remain competitive, but saying they will win 5 WS is ridiculous. The core will break up at some point, strictly bc they can’t afford to pay everyone.
Hahaha They back into one World Series win in over a 100 years and now all of a sudden they are a Dynasty. Give us a break. They had a relative injury free year to the starting 5 which is rare and very few other major injuries. They have lost there table setter and catalyst in Fowler and there 103 mph closer in Chapman and they’ve traded away I think one of there most impressive outfielder for one year of a has been sore armed closer.
Lay off the crack… One WS and your calling it a dynasty… Giants won 3 in 5 years and it wasnt a dynasty. This is prob with 99% of Cubs fans… They get good and its all skill and how great their team is and they cant be beat…
Baseball humbles everyone. Cubs just ate 108 years of humble.. NOTHING is guaranteed..
5 of the next 10.. youre chugging that cool-aid buddy. Are the cubs good? Yes but nowhere near a dynasty yet.. do you even know what a dynasty is? You made back to back playoffs and one WS in the past decade. Easy buddy. Oh and the Cardinals beat up on the cubs and even swept them at Wrigley last year. I would say if and when the Cardinals play the cubs next time in the playoffs, cubs fans will be nervous. The last team you guys wanted to face in the playoffs last year were the Cardinals had they made it. Once you get in, its a new season and any team in it has a chance. And for god sakes stop comparing Schwaber to Babe Ruth.. He hasnt even played a full season and we all saw his “”gold glove” in LF 2 years ago.
Your comment might have been the dumbest of 2016. Congrats to you and your “dynasty” ! HAHAHA
You do understand that Heyward had the worst season of his career right? If you saw heyward dropping his wRC+ 50 points from 2015 to 2016 you are just lying.
Was he absolutely terrible in 2016? Yes. But I don’t get how you can say he is over rated. Clearly something went wrong with him, as a 50 point drop in a players wRC+ isn’t something that just happens regularly. He couldn’t hit and lost even more value because he wasn’t on to add base running value. He was still a very good defender and base runner (the few times he actually got on base).
Rational argument bro…somebody brings up a valid counter argument and that’s what u jump to.
If anything he is underrated. Cant stand these bandwagon cub fans acting like they know a thing about the sport.
Please Evans/Giants do NOT trade away 4 cost-controlled years of Joe Panik for 2 years of Dozier. Personally, I believe in Panik. 2B isn’t our issue, IMO. Panik batted .462 in the 2016 playoffs after an injury/concussion affected season. He’s forced Zimmermann, Syndergaard, and Chapman to be pulled from playoff games after his clutch hits/walks. I think Panik is, and can be, as clutch as they come. That ain’t nothing.
If the Giants want to make a major trade deal (and that is fairly ambitious considering the “lackluster” farm system)… I hope it’s for some other young-ish, talented, cost-controlled player with at least 2-3 years of service time remaining. Not 2B. Make it for a guy like Alex Colome, Zach Britton, David Phelps or Jackie Bradley Jr, if at all possible (probably not, LOL). Maybe Brock Holt or Michael Lorenzen? Anyways, yeah, prolly just the Twins trying to drive up the Dodgers’ trade package. However, if there is ANY truth to this, I sure hope the Giants don’t trade Joe Panik or Chris Shaw!
If they DONT include Panik, where, hypothetically, would Dozier play? The only way Dozier to Giants makes any sense is if Panik is included in the deal.
Again. Not likely. This is just trying to drive the price up on the Dodgers. They’re going to end up with Dozier.
What could the Giants possibly offer the Sox for Bradley or Holt?
What could the G’s offer for Bradley or Holt? Yeah, that’s why it’s so highly unlikely- I get it. I did qualify my statement already. Samardzija-plus-prospects is about all I can imagine. The only reason I bring up these two Sox players is due to the positional log jams in Boston.
I’m just at a point where I’m tired of the cycle of signing every veteran free agent, disallowing opportunities to some of our better prospects, having to sign short-term deals to guys like Colvin, Blanks, Maxwell, Abreu, Peavy, etc. instead of adding to our strong core of players. If the Giants could add ONE elite player… I’d be ecstatic. What’re the Giants going to do with 12 SP’s in Sacramento? 18 relievers? Really? A bazillion infielders & outfielders in AAA? Geez.
Anyways, no matter. Dodgers: Trade De Leon and Alvarez. lol. I don’t wish for Yadier Alvarez to make it to the bigs with L.A., I think he’s going to be really, really good.
Like I’ve said many times this front office isn’t stupid they piss me off sometimes by not getting stuff done but overall not stupid de Leon is biggest piece going no way they give up bellinger or Alvarez hahaha I can bet my life on it I see him going to the dodgers or staying put nobody else makes sense or has what it takes more than Dodgers without giving up there #1 prospect dodgers have all the control on this one and we always have forsythe or kinsler worst come to worsrnrhey give kinsler and extension to accept trade.
Giants likely do not have the pieces to get Dozier anyway.
Nationals make sense since Zimmerman was under league avg for 1st, slide Murphy there and you can always move him to second one select days alternating Dozier and rendon around to make the best lineup. Only problem is what do the math have left for prospects? Twins want pitching and the names just traded three for Eaton
Why not move zimmerman to the OF? Dont they just have harper and eaton out there? He cant be much worse than matt kemp out there.
He’s only played 30 major league innings in the OF and was below average. I don’t think with a larger sample size and his injury history it will get better.
Jayson Werth still plays for the Nats, as does Michael Taylor.
He has a bad shoulder, which is why he had to love to first. Also, Nats still have Werth and Michael Taylor.
Harper-Eaton-Werth but idk how reliable Werth is to play 140 games
I think this is just smoke and mirrors coming from MN, attempting to force LA to up the ante. StL and WAS makes no sense.
I doubt that the Cardinals will trade for Brian Dozier, it will be great having him on the team.However, they can offer Kolten Wong, Edmundo Sosa and Junior Fernandez for Dozier.The Cardinals should not even mention Luke Weaver in Dozier’s deal. The Cardinals should not follow other teams trading young stars only for players that have contracts of less than 1-2 years,but there could be an exception it depends of the players that the team is getting in return, but sometimes that is dumb. I understand that the goal is to win the World Series but trading a top prospect does not guarantee winning a World Series.
Luke Weaver is a young star now? Interesting.
Still think Wong has the goods to be really good! But would be a great pickup!!
He is a slap hitter with a barely above .300 obp.
Kolten Wong is not a slap hitter. Obviously you haven’t seen him bat. Whether or not he can ever put it together at the plate is the concern. He has tremendous range, is awesome turning the DP, and showed great improvement on routine plays in the 2nd half of 2016. He also has excellent speed but needs to improve his base stealing skills. Plus his contract is not a hindrance.
No one has mentioned Grichuk. I think he would be more coveted than wong at this point. Did Peralta not play LF earlier in his career? Trade Grichuk, Weaver, Garcia and Sosa. Platoon Peralta and Wong until Wong proves consistant.
Trading Grichuk would just create a huge hole for the Cardinals, why would they do that?
I’m not sure trading Grichuk would leave a HUGE hole. I mean, the guy(like Wong) was sent to the minors last year, and batted 7th and 8th the majority of the season.
I suppose you could trade Grichuk and play Wong in LF but I dont think that is their plan at the moment. Im guessing its a Wong, Weaver, and another prospect. Maybe instead of Wong they will give them Gyorko?
Either way, I would love to see them bring in Dozier.
I would be looking for Dozier and Buxton. Package Grichuk, Weaver, Wong, Adams, Gonzalez and Bader. Obviously the prospects are interchangeable with something that would work, but put 5-6 players together and pull the trigger Mo. move Fowler to LF and put Buxton in center.
1.Fowler
2.Diaz
3.Carpenter
4.Dozier
5.Piscotty
6.Gyrko
7.Buxton
8.Molina
9. Pitcher
A rebuilding team isn’t going to trade their young CF, especially when they do not have another CF to replace him.
Buxton isn’t going anywhere. He’s a big part of their young core that they are trying to add to, not subtract from.
Those card fans are hilarious they work trades as if they were playing MLB the show
if you think u can get buxton and dozier with out giving up reyes your a little messed up in the head
And why would a cardinal fan even want that trade buxton is looking like a giant bust
giant bust have a 2 war during there age 22 season and only played in 90 games?
Yes sirrr giant bust
If he thinks they can get Dozier alone without adding Reyes……..
Where does he play in Washington?
SS with Turner back in OF. Priscotty and others back to Twins?
2nd Murphy bumps to 1st which makes a lot of sense. If the nats decide they are willing to eat money for Zimmerman to sit on the bench.
1.Fowler CF
2.Diaz SS
3.Dozier 2B
4.Piscotty RF
5.Carpenter 3B
6.Grichuk LF
7.Moss 1B
8.Molina C
9.Pitcher SP
That could be a direct match up to the scuba and Pirates Line up !!!!
I don’t know, the scuba are pretty good. And the Cubs are easily better.
Lol sorry for the miss spelling !!!
Cubs is what I meant !!!!
😉
Moss is gone. Would probably look more like:
Fowler
Diaz
Carpenter
Dozier
Piscotty
Grichuk
Peralta
Molina
Pitcher
He but it wouldn’t look like that if you want to do the L, R thing to balance the line up !!!
I think the Cardinals are just looking for power from anywhere they can find it. Wong can’t play first he’s 4’5″. I’d rather see them make a play for Trumbo, he’s a better fit in my eyes. Move Carpenter to third. Let the best man win 2b. We don’t really need Dozier, he hit 42 homers one year probably an anomaly.
See ya later Wong
Great addition for the Angels with espinosa but it would still be nice to see Dozier wearing red in 2017.
I’m just hysterically laughing why would the twins want Wong. Realistically this move is being made because he’s at his highest point and to move Polanco to 2nd. Even if they did when the team is ready to actually compete he’ll cost 12 mill. So I think the Cards have the pieces for Dozier at least at the top but no Wong won’t be included, No Adams has no value, and lastly the Twins are in the market for pitching.
And the Cardinals having pitching depth.. maybe not the caliber other teams do, but they do have it.
No I totally understand that. I’m just laughing at the Wong/Adams proposals on here.
WHOA!!! I was not expecting this! Interest in Dozier?
Come on Cardinals make it happen I hate the Cubs ……… Right now you can’t beat them add Dozier you prob still can’t beat them put you would have a lot better chance
Hold on and wait until August. By then there will be a team that will drop a “heady” package bigger than any single one on the table right now.
And you also risk him losing value. Check out his stats for the first few months of 2016. Awful.
weaver, then one of (Alcantara, Fernandez, Flaherty) and maybe a low tier prospect?
Gomber may be part of the mix. And Harrison Bader could also be a piece.
Haha you guys make me laugh twins are tryna get more than de Leon #33 prospect Calhoun #80 something prospect 2b and another arm for dozier why would they make a trade with the cardinals when the biggest piece would be weaver #81 i believe like I said nobody will give up more than the dodgers so I see dozier staying put or going to the dodgers this is a way to drive price up good thing we’re not called the nationals or dbacks and are gullible af
It will take young quality controllable pitching to land Dozier in a trade. If your team has some they are willing to dangle, then they have a chance to acquire him. If not he stays in MN.
Dodger fan willing to pass on Dozier and trade for Wong. Good glove and a possible fit into the 2 or 8 hole in the line-up. Would love to get him in a deal for maybe Van Slyke and a prospect
That prospect had better be awesome, cause Van Slyke’s worth is nil.
wong does not fill the dodger biggest need someone who can hit lefties
Wong has zero appeal. I’d sooner see Hernandez fill the position.
The 2 spot is not going to happen. The FO believes it provides most ABs with a possibility to do damage. In fact that’s kind of the perfect spot for Seager seeing as he likes to jump on a lot of first pitches. The 8 hole also fits Joc extremely well at this moment. Wong is a good defender low obp guy who doesn’t provide any pop especially against lefties. So there’s no need. I still like Forsythe as the best overall 2b available not named Kinsler.
If the Cards can somehow fit Wong in for a trade for Dozier, I’m down. Dozier is an upgrade, but if I’m the Cards and can’t make that happen, I stay away. I’m more then happy with what we have going on in the infield.
Don’t see the Twins needing/wanting Wong unless he’s a throw in third or fourth player in the deal (depending on the rest of the return).
Twins already have a MLB ready 2B behind Dozier.
Hahaha twins way of driving price up , dodger and dodger fans aren’t as stupid as people may think we’ll walk away , I highly doubt the cardinals will give up Alex Reyes for him andrhats there highest prospect next up is ranked somewhere in 73# nationals same problem theybhave what it takes to get it done but I doubt they’ll give up too after gutting there farm (bar and cardinal fans leave salty comments here)I’m not saying they don’t have what it takes to get it done I’m saying I don’t think there offer will be better than what the dodgers are willing to give now without gutting there farm when it’s not really a need for them especially the nats cards it’s more of a need but all they got is Alex Reyes and I doubt they’d trade him
How about Dozier at 3b for the Giants ??
How about you be satisfied with your team when you have nothing to upgrade in the infield your fans aren’t very smart you guys have just been blessed with a team that won 3 times in 5 years . It’s like of course I’d want someone like rizzo to take over for Gonzalez at first but 1b isn’t a need so why give up the whole farm for him and that’s something the Giants don’t have anything of so even if they didn’t care and wanted to you couldn’t get it done
Giant , national and card fans how do you plan on giving a better return that what the twins are already rejecting from the dodgers ? Unless the cards and nats are willing to give up there #1 overalls then it makes sense to me if not tell me whyd they take your offer over mine please save me the panik Wong involved I’ve laughed enough
DODGERs have no threats at all unless nats and cards both willing to give up there #1s this is a joke hearing these fans and there fake propositions . That’s like dodgers wanting to trade kershaw and his two years before possible opt out and Giants offering cueto with 3 years left and there # 81 prospect the dodgers would never accept these fans are making similar fake deals in there head hahahaha nonsense trades
Stop please. You’re using rankings as your only basis. According to such arguments Alvarez, Bellinger, Calhoun, and Verdugo aren’t worth a crap because they weren’t ranked last year. What matters more is the evaluations of Weaver and Bader on the Twins side. And yes the Cards do have enough even without Reyes. And yes I’m a dodgers fan. The rankings are just a baseline, beyond 1-5 there’s really not much of a difference in terms of prospects. So unless you have a legitimate argument the it’s getting old.
You’re not a dodgers fan I’ve read all your comments on this and other stories I understand you don’t have to be on the Dodgers side on every post but you’re literally against them and everything there fans say on everything hahah you’re one of those weirdos that makes an account pretending to be a fan to argue for your teams basis which is really strange which is why I could you weirdo .
Every one of your comments is talking crap to dodger fans hahahah and like I said I understand there could be disagreements within fans and difference of opionions but all your post are literally about how the dodgers should give up more and how other teams have what it takes and how the dodgers prospects aren’t that good you’re one of those fakes like I said or youre a weird ass fan .
Yeah you caught me totally I’m not a Dodgers fan at all. Maybe I’m just a realist. Maybe I realize that this team has got a pretty damn good thing going. Maybe I also realize that other teams also have some talent. Why am I not a Dodgers fan? Plz explain because I said they aren’t going to take on an extended contract like Braun? Because I actually really like the team they have now and because I don’t propose a Dozier for scraps trade realizing that it’s not going to be done. Is it because I don’t think Dozier fits well for this team? Haha you need to really grow up.
Not only does Mr. HAHA need to use punctuation, he also needs to use better grammar, and stop calling people names…
I don’t know what you guys are talking about I don’t know why you guys are so happy you’re not going to get him if they don’t trade Reyes
You’re a fake
*i meant Buehler not Alvarez.
If you don’t think there is a difference between a prospect ranked 6th and one ranked 100; you are stupid. There is nothing else to say. You can look at the expected value of a prospect based on rankings and see the massive difference between 6 and 100.
We have some guys on here saying that doesn’t matter. I get the list changes, but right now that’s what it is or if it’s not I’m sure it’s very similar looking.
Actually that’s not true at all because because those rankings are subject to change. Guys fall on and off the list and year to year they are subject to massive change after graduation etc. The rankings are majorly based on age and potential projections. At one point Walker and Bradley were top 10 100 prospects and Urias was 89th. I can’t find many people who objectively look at it and can say at this point that they’d rather have Walker and Archie Bradley at this point. Joey Gallo was ranked 86 spots higher than Trae Turner and ranked higher than Schwarber objectively are we saying that anyone would rather have Gallo over Turner and Schwarber? There are so many examples and there can be major flaws/risk rewards based on ceilings and floors. Teams don’t give a crap about rankings the basis is on player development and their own projections.
Ok so some teams would value let’s say someone like Aaron judge higher than moncada?
Cause your argument is rankings don’t matter you say a # 81 guy is worth probably more than a number 33 I get what you mean people go up in down in those. My argument is even how much you think weaver has improved he is not better than de Leon , you might say well that’s an opinion, true. But I’m sure more people would agree with me. Maybe rankings shouldn’t be everything looked at when evaluating players, but for you to say they don’t matter is kinda ridiculous I’m sure you’d take moncada over judge any day but it moncada was in judges spot and judge was #1 then you’d take judge argue it all you want you can’t say rankings don’t matter to you only when it benifets your argument
No you just twisted my argument. I’ve never preferred the all or nothing guy. I have a preference for ss and cf because they are usually the guys that can be bounced around the diamond. I also like guys that grow into power like a Bellinger who hit what 4 Hrs his first two seasons. So no I never preferred Judge to Moncada or a Gallo to Lindor or even a Turner to Gallo or insert name. The one exception being if they play a premier position at a premier def level. Kind of like Joc (you can live through the growing pains).
Secondly I absolutely love DeLeon. I love fb/ch guys, because to me it’s still the best combo. It also seems to be the most looked over and least valued in such rankings. Hell look what Kyle Hendricks was able to do to the league. But it’s not lighting up the radar gun and it’s not in vogue. And to be honest, I almost prefer DeLeon and Buehler to Alvarez in terms of pitchability. But Alvarez has the eye catching stuff and significant money spent label attached to him. He’s also saddled under the huge risk:high reward category. And in a package for two years doesn’t make sense.
So off of that looking at it objectively DeLeon is a year older and drafted a year earlier than Weaver, but they are essentially the same pitcher. They are both going to sit 91-94 and can crank it to 96 when need be. They both feature pretty devastating ch. You could almost put Stewart in the same category except you’re not sure if his ch and slider are both going to fully develop or it’s one or the other. But as a converted pitcher he’s climbed the ranks pretty fast.
So here’s my argument and why the rankings are pretty flawed and why the Cards def have a shot. 1) They seem to be in the market for a fb/ch guy and their pitching coach seems to value that mix. 2)If the Cards are serious, Its really going to be up to the Twins to decide who they believe has a better chance to develop that third pitch. Because in the end that’s what it comes down to. Big leaguers make that adjustment and without a third pitch it’s easier to lay off the ch or for LH sit on the change up as it fades into their wheel house. 3) Neither team would even comprehend giving up their prized young pitcher so your not getting Urias or Reyes for obvious reason. 4) it’s going to come down to 3 and 4 prospects if there is a bidding war. Let’s hypothetically say the second piece is Verdugo v Bader. Well Verdugo is one piece I’m not sold on if he has to move to a corner which looks more likely at least with the Dodgers. Bader provides sig more pop. Is the pop more valued to the Twins now seeing as they hail from big pop high obp organizations. I’m betting the old Twins regime would have valued Verdugo so much more. So those last pieces are going to matter if the Cards are actually in the race although I have my doubts. See you are looking at solely through the rankings. My view is through the actual baseball spectrum. In the end I’m not the biggest Dozier fan and I hope this trade falls through. I don’t see Kinsler getting traded and if so not to the Dodgers. I’m more of a fan of Forsythe. And I could def live with a Stewart/Verdugo/Sheffield/Lux and MLB filler type package to bring him here. This years draft class of SS is pretty nice.
So if you want to rationally have a discussion I’m down. Just don’t twist my words or my arguments.
Stewart, Verdugo, Sheffield and Lux for two years of a 2.40 hitter. That’s a bad trading in the making for the Dodgers. I would rather the Dodgers make no move than such a desperate move.
I would give up 3 of those 4 guys for forsythe. I actually like him more than dozier and he’s a solid player but I honestly don’t think he’s worth 4 prospects I’d do it if take either Stewart or verdugo out.
@bluebaseball75. I’m wasn’t talking about Dozier at all.
I know, you were talking about forsythe. 3 of those guys would be fair for him.
Ehh I actually think with the Dodgers depth they’d be ok with giving up Stewart and Verdugo to start a package. I like Forsythe a lot. Plus if they do really believe in Calhoun it allows them to bounce Forsythe around the inf in 2018. In terms of OF depth they have the exact same player in Verdugo and Diaz. The difference being Diaz is a RH option in a LH saturated farm. Plus in terms of strengths and flexibility they have a ton of OF currently on the roster. They are also blessed with Bellinger’s athleticism and ability to play to a corner OF position. So in all calculations they are flush with pitching and OFs. The one weakness may be mif options.
TRue I don’t think it will end up mattering tho. I think twins and dodgers work out a trade, I’m so sure the twins like the offer on the board but they’re thinking what’s the rush let’s try to hit a homerun with this trade.
Which is what they’re trying to do right now and which is why all of a sudden all the dodgers biggest threats are suddenly interested
” I’m so sure the twins like the offer on the board but they’re thinking what’s the rush let’s try to hit a homerun with this trade.”
And as sure as you are about that, I’m sure the twins are legitimately not interested in moving an affordable all-star caliber second baseman for anything less than a stellar return. And Deleon + garbage is not a stellar return. Dodgers will have to give up more to acquire Dozier
Such an all star, so many teams lining up offering so much for the all star. Everyone knows he’s a fluke . Hope the dodgers pass I like kinsler and forsythe so much more it’ll be funny when this one comes back to bite the twins. Dodgers have all control in these talks
Twins fans are a joke to think dodgers are giving up another big name for dozier. He’s deserving of one big name forsure yes but two hell no not from my team or any other team I’m not just being biased. He’s a solid player not a superstar and he has two years left…
I don’t blame you for wanting a lot id want a lot for any player on my team. At some point you have to get off fantasy island and realize what you truly have .
Whether the 42 homers was a “Fluke” or not he’s been all star level for 4 years. The reason people arent lining up is because he’s going to cost a lot at second base isn’t a pressing need for too many contending teams right now. That’s not true of the dodgers though as they have no one right now. Sure there are other options and if they don’t want to give up more than Deleon + trash then talks are dead. He’s worth more than that to the twins
And you’re the one thinking that you can offer up ANY prospects at all and the twins are dumb for not biting. Which means you are the one living on fantasy island, look how much of a sellers market it is. I don’t think the trade gets done but if it does there’s a much bigger piece than you think coming along with Deleon
The Cardinals could easily have 5 prospects in the BA Top 100 top begin the season. Everyone that doesn’t know the Cardinals system just assumes that they don’t have the pieces. Weaver likely has equal value to De Leon and prospects like Alcantara, Hudson, Flaherty, Woodford, Gomber, Helsley, Fernandez, Jones, Oviedo, and Seijas make for a DEEP lineup of desirable pitching talent.
I could say the same for dodger times 3 there’s so many guys that are close to making it but you know what’s better than close to making it :)- being on it
Oh my god I’m tired of fans saying equal to this or that a giant fan said that beede #90 something was equal to de Leon so what’s the point of the list ifbeveryone is equal ? He’ll de Leon is equal to kershaw in that case sinc everyone who throws a baseball is equal value
Mr. HAHA needs a remedial English course…
I shed a tear 🙁
Saw a lot of cubs dynasty posts..
Great World Series by the cubs but dynasty now? I think not.
Pitching is the name of the game in the playoffs and the cubs pitching is not set up for a dynasty run.
Lester is probably due for regression soon with age.
And arrieta is in his contract year, you’ll either pay him big with big risk or he will be gone.
You have no significant pitching prospects
The Cubs have the money to buy any Free Agent they want. Plenty of Starters to buy going forward.
You can and will also get outbid for just about any starter worth having by a team like the yankees going foreword.
If pitching is the name of the game, how were the indians able to go 7 with Kluber….Bauer….scrubs. Luck is the name of the game in the playoffs. There is a reason that we don’t care about 5-7-7 game sample sizes from players, there is a ton of noise.
If there was actually some sort of formula to win in the playoffs every team would have done it by now. You can go ahead and look back to 2015 when Kershaw/Greinke didn’t win.
Your kind of stupid huh?
I partly agree I don’t really consider it luck I mean I hate the Giants and they aren’t usually the best team I think the dodgers are better but they do something well with it counts in October they clutch up some people may call that luck for gettingbhot at right time but it’s clutchness dodgers are one of the worsr teams at it they choke when it counts most so having good pitchers does count but of course guys you wouldn’t think would contribute, contributing in the playoffs helps too
Mr. Ha Ha,
I was just throwing out an idea.
YES we’ve won 3 WS in 6 years.
You sound a little jealous.
You must be a Dodger Fan, Ha Ha
If I was jealous I wouldn’t have pointed it out myself …. you guys usually do that within 3 seconds of talks . And I don’t mind teams get on streaks and teams have droughts of rings what was your guys before 2010 ? Something like 50? Sonyeah last thing I am is jealous just pointing out what an idiot you are
Now I can laugh at you AND call you out for you intelligence level at the same time. Hahahahahahaha, your stupidity is unmatched.
That makes no sense at all what is your argument in the conversation lmfao you’re irrelevant why are you commenting
That makes no sense? Maybe you need a little lesson in reading comprehension. You could also finish the 4th grade, that should help.
His argument makes sense to me. I guess Mr. Haha just cannot comprehend intelligence
Why are you obsessed with me lmfaoo. Looks for my comments to say something bitter much?
Literally no one here is obsessed with you, just making fun of your lack of an education.
Everyone knows you are, :/ I’ll give you my number if you’d like.
Dozier for Weaver, Bader, Peralta, and PTBNL. Line-up…
Fowler
Diaz
Carpenter
Dozier
Piscotty
Molina
Grichuk
Wong
Pitcher
*Gyrko = Super Utility
Why would the Twins want Peralta?
They probably don’t want him. Only one year left at 10mil. Cards probably eat half of that just to move him.
Where’s Wong playing with dozier in lineup? Only way I see it is id Wong goes either in dozier trade or elsewhere if they get dozier
Dozier – 3B; Wong – 2B
I like that deal a lot more then. I had no idea dozier could play 3B.
He’s played 20 games there, all in the minors a long time ago. He probably can’t. He didn’t have the arm/range for SS. Don’t see him having the arm for 3B either.
IM the most reasonable person on here and I have people still arguing with me. Tell me how de Leon Calhoun and Stewart isn’t a fair deal, and difference of opinion is fine that trade makes most sense for what twins need I guess they don’t need a 2b so maybe the position player is swapped with another not bellinger forsure, and not only because I think it’d be a stupid trade it’s also because I know this dodger front office wouldn’t do it for good reason . Yeah dozier hitting around 20 hr would be nice but I rather have a 1b when gonzo is gone that’s hitting 270. With about 25-30 hr a year that dozier who will be a free agent in 2 years. And your argument may be well you never know they’re unproven , but you kinda do know it’s almost like a 80% thing just like we felt about seager and not giving him up and yup end up in the running for MVP I don’t think bellinger will be as good as seager hitting 300+ but I just pointed out what his numbers have a pretty good chance of being in about 2 years
“IM the most reasonable person on here and I have people still arguing with me.” No you’re not.
“Tell me how de Leon Calhoun and Stewart isn’t a fair deal” – because the Twins don’t need another DH in their system. They have several of them already. Calhoun’s not a second baseman in the longterm.
“Yeah dozier hitting around 20 hr would be nice but I rather have a 1b when gonzo is gone that’s hitting 270.” Dozier will hit more than 20 HR and Bellinger is unproven, like you acknowledged.
“And your argument may be well you never know they’re unproven , but you kinda do know it’s almost like a 80% thing just like we felt about seager and not giving him up and yup end up in the running for MVP”
Plenty of top 100 prospects turn out to be absolutely nothing.
It’s a sellers market. If you want to get someone big, you are giving up potential. End of story. Twins would be fine holding on to Dozier.
Buddy someone big? Who are we trading for old Cabrera ? Even with doziers great year, he’s not a star. Would I want him on my team of course is he worth gutting the system . He’ll no
Like I said the dodgers aren’t going to be pressured I’ve seen three years of this front office. Dozier will either be a twin or a dodger on opening day
“Even with doziers great year, he’s not a star.”
Dozier has put up 3-4 solid years in a row, averaging 4.5 rWAR/4.1 fWAR over those 4 years. If the Twins had been more competitive or if he played for a big market team he would be a star.
Playing in media un-friendly Minnesota while they go 278-370 (.429 ball)- mostly due to poor management and pitching… is not going to do anyone’s star meter any favors.
Mr. Ha Ha,
I guess that anyone that doesn’t agree with you and has an idea or opinion of there own you have to personally attack and call people an idiot. We’re talking about baseball and people have ideas and opinions about trades or FA signings so cool down and enjoy the banter.
No it’s just funny to laugh at your ideas , maybe I could be nicer your right but your ideas are ridiculous
Mr. HAHA needs to take anger management classes too…
I can only hope that the Dodgers have moved on from trade talks related to Dozier. Let the Cardinals, Nationals and Giants waste their time. The Twins want a boatload of prospects (mostly pitching) for an overrated hitter and so-so defender. Dozier pulls the ball at a higher rate than any hitter in baseball, and is a poster child for defensive shifts (maybe a second coming of Dan Uggla). The Dodgers have spent the last 3 or 4 years rebuilding their farm system, and they are beginning to see the fruits of that rebuild with Seager and Urias. Players like De Leon, Alvarez, Bellinger, Calhoun, Buehler, and Verdugo are on the brink of making their major league debuts. The future is bright for the Dodgers, and it’s not a time to screw it up with a trade for Dozier.
Exactly haha kinsler and forsythe catch my attention so much more the dodgers are offering the most trade ever usually teams try to screw each other but they went straight to serious talk righ away and the twins want more I want them to walk away and imagine dozier drops badly hahahah we know he’s gonna drop in all categories from last year but I’m saying imagine he drops drastically
The Cardinals can still pull off Dozier without trading Reyes. Weaver,Adams, Lynn, Sosa, Wong, are all trade chips the Cardinals could use to get Dozier. I don’t think all of them will be traded but at least 3 or 4 of them will, bottom line Reyes will be in Cardinal Red for a long time
I don’t see a need for dozier I feel like it would be smart for the cards to go for a top SP . Dodgers actually need him but at there asking price Detroit or Tampa might be a better place for us to go shopping at.
I can only hope, as a Dodgers’ fan, that another team like the Cardinals is ready to take over the dance with the Twins in a trade for Dozier. Unlike the White Sox, who have many sought after assets, the Twins only have Dozier. Therefore, they are trying rebuild their farm system around the trade for one player named Dozier. They will start by demanding your top pitching prospect, but that’s only the beginning. Then they will want your next best pitching prospect. plus your top position player prospect.
Dodgers could have traded for sale, they have so many #1 overall prospects rankings don’t matter there guys were #1 because I think they were. We could have had sale and probably robertson for de Leon because he’s a # 1.
Dodgers should trade for Kris Bryant, we could put a package together of turner , Calhoun and some other guy not top 100 to the Cubs.
These are the kind of comments I made fun of yet I got attacked haha of course I was giving examples of the type of comments you were leaving but only it was your team instead of the dodgers.
As a Cubs fan, I would love to see the Cards trade Reyes for Dozier. Reyes is a beast.
As cards fan I’d hate to see Reyes go for almost anyone. His ceiling is very high and IF he reaches that ceiling, which with all prospects is no sure thing, 5 years of control of him would be extremely valuable, to say the least. Martinez is about to be extended and that could be a heck of a 1-2 punch for many years. However I’d love to get Dozier for something like Wong, weaver, bader or similar prospect. For those that say it will take more, I say no to dozier. He’s just not THAT big of an upgrade. I am a fan of mozeliak, especially in his non-trades and signings when cost is too much. If cost is more than weaver package as headliner than losing out on Dozier to dodgers would not be a loss at all
Reyes isnt going anywhere.
That would be stupid lol, I’m not a prospect hogger but when you have guys that are going to be beast in 2 years forsure and you’re team (dodgers) are already willing to give up one for dozier I think that’s enough to be the main piece. I’m not cool with giving up a future 1-2 years from now 25-30 hr firstbase in bellinger. And yes Reyes seems like he’s going to be a beast I wouldn’t give him up for dozier
Honestly even if it was a trade for mike trout it’d be hard giving up bellinger that is if trout had two years left if he had many years I’ll make that deal any day but two years. I think I’d give up de Leon , verdugo Stewart and bueler for trout maybe another piece and I’m not saying that would get it done but that’s what I’d do for trout
Dodgers wouldn’t get Trout without Urias. Wouldn’t be surprised if it would take Urias, Bellinger and Alvarez.
Trout is the best player in baseball. Of course what you’d offer is what you’d want but the Angels would be too busy being insulted or laughing at an offer that low.
Which is why I said what I’d be willing to give up not what it would take to get him . I would honestly be fine with giving up those 3 if trout had more than 3 years of control
If I was the front office of the dodgers I’d solve two problems for the equal price it’d probably take to get dozier. Go get the Braun deal they’d take less because you’re eating up money, then go trade for solarte who wouldn’t cost you much.
C’mon Angels get him! We need his power in our infield. Escobar, Maybin, Trout, Dozier Pujols, Cron, Espniosa, Simmons, Maldanado. Great lineup.
The Angels have no farm system. Just don’t see it happening at all.
The Twins are obviously trying to put pressure on LA by leaking the name of any club that half heartedly makes an inquiry . If LA moves on Dozier will remain a Twin or they will get way less of a return for him .
Don’t see the rush for trading for Dozier. It just another Reddick trade in the making. Dodgers stadium is not hitter friendly and Dozier is a career 2.40 hitter with the exception of last season. I would rather Kinsler or maybe Forsyth
Exactly, I don’t see it working out for us. Doziers numbers are gonnna drop no matter where he plays. But moving to dodger stadium I see him hitting 15 hr. I’d say move on
No reason to trade young talent that Twins would demand,they want take Wang,Adams,n Grichuk for him!
“Never mind”
-Roseanne Roseannadanna
HA! I called it. Pressuring LA by leaking that their rivals are interested did not work MIN. Take De Leon and Calhoun and be happy with it!
Would a team who is actually involved admit it though? I’m guessing no.
I do agree most of this was likely smoke, but there is no reason for a team to say “yep, we’re going hard after Dozier. We want him badly.” Just not going to happen.
The Dodgers haven’t denied the Twins-Dodgers rumors, but they also haven’t confirmed them either. At least not that I know of.
They should have at least been smarter about the teams that had interest suddenly lol.
The teams were the three biggest threats to us in playoffs and overall picture. I’m sure they would have said Cubs too but everyone would have known that was complete bs.
It’s fake news no real interest dodgers should stick to the offer or walk
Lol, so in the last 24 hours:
2 teams might be in on Dozier!
Actually just 1 team…
Actually neither of them…
So this basically a non story…
Mo probably just logged on and saw the articles about Dozier and was like “What the-? I never said this!” Lol
OK all you GM wannabees. What’s it take for The Blue to get Villar from the Brewers to play 2nd? Only 25, lots of control left, really only one good year (last yr) but it was spectacular. I would love to see Toles and Villar at the top of the lineup. The Brewers think a lot of him but they might be tempted if Friedman threw enough prospects into the mix.
So you want Dodgers to trade prospects for basically one rookie? Dodgers could use their own prospects if they were looking for a rookie.
Not sure what your definition of a rookie is. He spent 3 yrs with Houston before getting to the Brewers last year. He has over 1300 mlb at bats. Last yr he hit 38 doubles, 19 homers and stole 62 bases. That’s what I like about him. Can you think of a Dodger prospect who has had a year like that in the majors? I wouldn’t trade the entire farm system for him but I would love to know what it would take to get the Brewers interested.
We haven’t had many prospects in the majors so far to make a comparison other than Pederson that has been in the majors as long as Villar. To say that he’s worth four prospects when he’s has not been in the league that long does not seem to be a great trade or the direction the Dodgers are heading towards. If we are to give up that many prospects, it should be for a proven ace such as Archer or even Quintana
I never said 4 prospects, nor did I say which ones, but if I’m Friedman I’m calling the Brewers just to get some idea. What if they said Stewart and Verdugo? Would you do it? What about Verdugo, Sheffield, Oaks?
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WOnder what we could get for kershaw lmao. Obviously I’d never trade kershaw or want him gone but just curiousity
Villar haha funny
We don’t want Villar I wouldn’t do it for a bag of peanuts
I wonder if Dozier could handle a move to 3B?
If so, I’d love for my Red Sox to get him. Benintendi other low level prospects?
I would think that’d be an overpay, but I’d obviously take it.
Sox don’t really match up with the Twins as they need MLB ready pitchers the most.
The Red Sox weren’t trading Nintendo as front piece for Sale. They are not trading him as a front piece for Dozier Nintendo is about as untouchable as the any Red Sox except Betts and Bogey.
You’re obviously not a true fan. I’m a a dodger fan and redsox would be idiots to give that up he’s already a better player than dozier
I am a Dodger fan and you are embarrassing. I do not know if you are on drugs, drunk or just an an idiot.
Please go away.
I am an dodger fan my name is Carlos and I am 12
I’m amazed at some of these comments. Some of you are willing to trade up to four players to acquire him? I believe Wong is a solid 280-300 hitter with 15 maybe 20 home runs. With this being said, why not Wong and a draft pick or a triple a player?
I could bet anyone this deal gets done with de Leon being the main piece or dozier stays put. Nobody else is gonna offer more so if the twins don’t like the dodgers offer he’s staying put . They could trade him at the deadline but there’s a chance he has a bad year as with any player, and if he has a good year he’ll get what the dodgers are offering now because it’s half a year less of time left on his contract.
Please don’t quote me then insult me if I’m wrong then we’ll see within a month at most I think.
Cardinals sign Chris Carter, trade for dozier , move Carpenter back to 3rd, trade peralta anywhere , package Wong , Weaver and Lynn to Minnesota
Am I the only one who thinks MN is overplaying their hand? Yes, Dozier broke out this year, but what if it was an anomaly? They are turning down a good offer from the Dodgers with no guarantee that Dozier will repeat his performance. They aren’t near contention and an injury or poor season could tank Dozier’s trade value.
No, not the only one. I worry the same problem that happened with Johan Santana is happening with Dozier. And Santana was way better, though his no trade didn’t help the Twins efforts.
Dozier isn’t going to repeat this year and everyone knows that. He should be 2014-2015 level player though which is still all star level.
I just see it too much risk too little reward for twins to pass up on it. You’re right if dozier doesn’t totally tank he should put up 2014-2015 numbers, so if Minnesota tries to trade him in July I see them getting what the dodgers are offering now because it half a year less of time so I don’t understand what’s the point of this risk .
I think this is what it is, dozier has had two solid season before this past season, he’s a solid player I agree it’s risky because he could have a major drop this year or get injured but I don’t think that’s enough to make a decision on.
I’m usually one to criticize this dodgers front office for being prospect hoggers and never making a deal necessary to get a guy when other teams do give up that extra guy. However on this one I think they’ve finally made a fair offer and actually stepped up and been willing to give I good guys, with that being said I’d be totally fine with dodgers walking away if the twins want more than de Leon as there biggest piece.
I know he’s the twins guy and they see him worth a billion bucks and the moon but truth is he’s not a superstar like some fans have commented he’s a solid player. Trout Bryant kershaw etc guys like that are superstars I don’t even consider Corey seager a superstar yet and he’s had over a year in the bigs hitting over 300. If dozier had more years left that would help a lot but the fact that he only had two years left is another problem.
The white sox got a huge return because eaton had 5 years left, if eaton had two years left the return would not have been that big I guarantee you that.
Last reason is dozier is a player that playing in dodger stadium , you can tell will affect him more than any other player say a Braun who I actually think would have a MVP type year coming to LA. Of course how dozier performs at our stadium isn’t a problem to the twins and shouldn’t be but that’s another reason dozier isn’t worth much.
I know this front office well past 3 Years not being pressured into making any move if it’s a stupid move . They won’t give up more than de Leon as the biggest piece . Like I said this is the first time I actually give the front office credit for making a fair offer and steppping up so if the twins don’t want that i see dozier staying a twin putting on a show for 20 thousand a night
Twins are making a BIG mistake by not taking DeLeon along with another prospect for Dozier. They are far from contending and an offseason by Dozier really tanks their opportunity to build via prospects. Dodgers will look at Kinsler very soon and the Twins will walk away with their tails between their legs !