The Red Sox are plotting a more patient and adaptable offseason than they undertook last year, as Tim Britton of the Providence Journal writes. But that’s not to say that the club won’t ultimately push to add veteran pieces at areas of need — particularly, the DH slot and the back of the bullpen.
Boston “badly” wants to sign outfielder/DH Carlos Beltran, a source tells ESPN.com’s Scott Lauber. That certainly seems to elevate the team’s previously reported interested in the veteran switch-hitter. Lauber does note that whether Beltran ends up at Fenway could depend upon whether he’s looking for multiple years, so it seems that the club isn’t quite in at all costs, but it’s clear at this point that he’s a real target.
Notably, because he wasn’t eligible to receive a qualifying offer, the Red Sox would not be required to part with a draft pick to sign Beltran. He ran up a .295/.337/.513 batting line in his age-39 season, so it seems there’s still gas left in the tank, and Boston is evidently interested in pursuing an option that won’t require a significant, multi-year commitment.
Edwin Encarnacion has previously been tied to the Red Sox, but it has never quite been apparent just how interested the club is in pursuing a player who is arguably the best hitter available this winter in free agency. Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe tweets that a four or five-year deal for him “seems unlikely.”
Though there’s plainly a match on paper, the team’s own assessment of Encarnacion’s long-term outlook and its own future balance sheets certainly could suggest a different approach. Indeed, as ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick reported recently, Sox president of baseball operations Dave Dombroski spoke of factoring in “affordability,” the desire not to tie up the DH slot for too long, and the presence of internal options (now and in the future) that could fill the role.
There are other names to consider, too. Abraham suggests that Kendrys Morales could be a fit, and indeed we’ve heard that connection recently as well. Like Beltran, Morales is a switch hitter, though at 33 years of age he figures to command multiple years. Matt Holliday might also represent a match, Abraham notes. Like Beltran, he’s still capable of spending some time in the outfield, which aids with lineup flexibility. But Holliday’s offensive output dipped last year — his age-36 campaign — and he missed a major chunk of the second half with a broken thumb after already experiencing an injury-limited 2015.
Turning to the bullpen, Dombrowski labeled a set-up man a priority for his organization. “We have some guys that we really like in our pen. None of them have really pitched the eighth inning,” Dombrowski said. “They probably have the skills and abilities to do it, but that would probably be first and foremost a thing of focus for us.”
While the team is optimistic that Carson Smith will return to be a factor in 2017, Dombrowski says that he won’t count on him being available for the first few months, as Britton reports. That keeps a focus on finding a primary set-up option, which Dombrowski saying the club is likely “looking for one guy at this point,” as Rob Bradford of WEEI.com reports. It seems unlikely that veteran Red Sox free agents Koji Uehara or Brad Ziegler will be that guy, Bradford notes, with Dombrowski suggesting tepid interest in both players.
Meanwhile, the veteran executive strongly suggested that southpaw Fernando Abad will be tendered a contract, which suggests that the club won’t have need for another lefty. Though the veteran struggled at times after his mid-season trade to Boston, he represents a solid value at MLBTR’s projected $2MM arbitration salary point.
It doesn’t seem that there’s likely to be much change in the rotation, either, with the team expending to retain its half-dozen starting options rather than seeking to add or deal from that depth. “You’re always open to anything, but we’re really looking at bringing all six to spring training at this time,” said Dombrowski.
Finally, while the catching situation appears to have some uncertainty, it doesn’t seem that the Red Sox are targeting any modifications there at the moment. The market doesn’t admit of many solutions anyway, and Boston does have options. As Lauber reports, Dombrowski says that Sandy Leon will enter the spring as the presumptive regular behind the dish. Presumably, Christian Vazquez is in line for reserve duties, though Dombrowski added that the organization still sees Blake Swihart as a catcher — despite the fact that he played in the outfield for a large chunk of 2016.
Wainofan
I like the fit of Red Sox and cards trading for jbj. What would they ask and what’s a realistic trade match? Garcia/wacha/weaver/siegrist/Rosie/young bullpen arms such as tuivalla are some ideas of potential interest for sox
fmfish12
Wacha Siegrist. But if JBJ is traded, he’s head to the ChiSox in a package for Sale.
Ken M.
A 5.3 rWAR player under cheap control for 4 years? Carlos Martinez?
Whyamihere
They’re going to want Reyes and a bit more probably.
mike244
JBJ value is very high. Coming off 5 WAR season 4yrs of control. Gold glove caliber CF with power and patience..
Probably would take one of Reyes or Martinez, although I think the redsox prefer to keep JBJ instead of trade him.
Nick4747
I’d prefer Martinez over sale or someone like him if it means just jbj no Eduardo or moncada keep the depth and upgrade the pitching staff.
JT19
Considering that the Red Sox are a team looking to compete, they’re not really going to be looking to trade established guys for prospects/rebound candidates. A guy like JBJ, who is at least established as a Gold Glove candidate with a decent bat, is a headliner for a bigger deal involving big name players. Unless the Cardinals are giving up multiple (as in more than 3) top prospects/young players, don’t expect that type of deal. A bunch of prospects who have yet to establish themselves/rebound candidates are probably not that enticing options for a team giving up a young, controllable, and established player.
stryk3istrukuout
Carlos Martinez is our emerging ace, he’s staying. I don’t see them trading Reyes either. My thoughts would be a combo of Weaver, Wacha, and Rosenthal. Given the vacancy at DH, Adams may even be a little appealing to the Sox if only even against righties. Leake, with some salary eaten, could be in play.
JT19
Outside of quantity, what is the appeal there to the Red Sox? They’re not going to give up an established CF for rebound candidates.
Nick4747
Leake has absolutely no value to the Sox I’d take Buchholz for another year even with them taking on most of that contract
stryk3istrukuout
Leake was fine before the Cards. If they eat a good chunk of his salary, he is definitely valuable especially with the other three included in the trade.
Nick4747
Value yes value to the Sox I’d beg to differ he’s not better than either one of their starting five. And under your logic Buchholz was pretty good in spurts last year and the year before. In this market leake has value as a 4-5 but he wouldn’t be an upgrade over the red sox starting 5.
stryk3istrukuout
Weaver is a great prospect, a cheaper Leake rounds out the rotation as a great 5th, Rosenthal slides in the bullpen as a power arm, and Wacha still has potential. I’m just saying IF it happens, I don’t see the Cardinals giving up Reyes or Martinez. As much as JBJ has improved overall, I don’t know if they’re willing to trade the farm for him. At that point, you might as well trade for Adam Eaton. Similar ages, excellent fielder, and probably demands less in a trade, while still providing some modest pop. Maybe I am undervaluing his offense, but he hit .234 away from Fenway and frankly the Cardinals offense isn’t quite at the level of the Red Sox. I’m probably biased because I live near STL and highly believe in Carlos Martinez and Reyes
Nick4747
1 price 2 porcello 3 wright 4 e-rod 5 pomeranz there is no room for leake as he’s lesser pitcher than either of these guys or at the very least not a noticeable upgrade. Weaver is a nice pitcher and I like the idea of a trade with him involved but leake has no value to the Sox unless he’s immediately flipped. As far as bradley being a different hitter away and the worry with him with St Louis it’s reasonable to assume last year’s numbers might have been lesser there but, it might also get better next year with another year under his belt as he’s shown the ability to get better year to year. With his defense even at 250 avg with how much he walks plus 20+ homers he has huge value even if think last year was all he has.
stryk3istrukuout
You have good points. I forgot about Pomeranz. It’s still all relative to each team’s mindset. It just seems counterintuitive to trade a haul for JBJ with Mozeliak’s conservative nature and against the direction of the team. Our pitching was horrible this year. Even though I suggested Wacha and Leake as trade chips, they both weren’t good and we needed them. Waino isn’t getting any younger, either. Trading Reyes or Martinez would seem to cripple our rotation.
Nick4747
Yeah honestly I think the cards just want to sign fowler I feel like they only line up if they miss. I could be wrong I know mozelik stated he wants to upgrade outfield defense so I know that’s why everyone says bradley. And the Sox don’t need to trade him he was able to be a bottom of the order force for us last year plus superb defense.
stryk3istrukuout
True. I think he is going to the white sox or an unexpected suitor before the cardinals, but it is intriguing imagining him on the Cardinals.
Nick4747
I know it’d fix alot mozelik did prioritize outfield defense and alot of fans have blamed outfield defense for leakes mistakes also stated that’s why they wanted to get away from Holliday.I wonder how his feelings are on fowler and how he improved last year on defense. Outside of him it’s hard to find alot of true centerfielders available with experience and if so the return will hurt.
B-Strong
Yay. Keep Abad who was absolutely crap, and express little interest in Ziegler who was phenomenal. I’m feeling super optimistic about us fixing our issues this off-season.
mike156
Your team did pretty well last year, has a fine core of young and talented players, and is likely the favorite for the AL East title. That’s not bad. Red Sox fans got a little spoiled in the 2004 and later era.
B-Strong
That has no relevance to my post though. Every teams goal is to win the world series. If you don’t, you make corrective adjustments and move forward. Keeping a crap pen arm and letting another get away is the opposite of that.
mike156
Beltran makes sense for a team with plenty of money who wants a shorter-term commitment. If Beltran tanks he can be benched or even DFA”d . If he works out, it’s a plus
chuckymorris
Edwin is built for Fenway, yet DD wants Beltran smh
mike244
EE will prob cost around 5/100 + a first round pick which is a ton to give up for. 34 year old 1b.
They want a short term options because of their young players, prospects, as well as the guys already under control
start_wearing_purple
Just to keep things in perspective we once said Julio Lugo, Adrian Gonzalez, and Carl Crawford were fits for Fenway. The major differences between EE and Beltran is Beltran can switch hit, bring an older presence for the younger players, and will cost less. While EE is the better p[ayer Beltran might be the better choice just by cost alone.
badco44
It’s all about a lefty bat dude… not a righty.. hello
redsox for_life
Yes!! Him or Kendrys Morales
glasgowcelticno1
Beltran is probably only there until Sam Travis is ready for the major leagues, and shaw could play 1b aswell, so someone on a short contract is better than 4/5 years
redsox for_life
I prefer Kendris over Beltran!2/26m!! Plus Holland!! Sign Hill 2 years wt a option then trade Bradley Devers Korpect plus Marrero for Sale
brian6811
I really like your thinking but that would leave us with way too many starters!
redsox for_life
I will trade Pomeranz and Owen to the Marlins for Ozuna
brian6811
Sign me up! What do you think the odds are of the Marlins taking such a deal?
redsox for_life
I heart Scott Boras his agent have some problem wt the ownership abot a demontion to AAA
glasgowcelticno1
Why keep abad? There must be better options
lostfan42
E.E would be a beast for the Red Sox but offense is not a concern for me as a fan of the team.
I would like to see a 1 year DH, two relief arms, and a reclamation SP project.
Wainofan
Jaime Garcia, wacha or weaver, and tuivailalla, plus siegrist or rosie for JBJ. Sox fill their needs, we fill ours.
Nick4747
Weaver for the starter I wouldn’t want either Garcia is a downgrade and wacha scares me. But as a sox fan seems appropriate as long as it’s early so they can trade pomeranz and or Buchholz and fill outfield need through that or free agency.
SydneyRedSox
We’ve got two reclamation SP. Price and Buchholz!
Nick4747
Price as bad as he looked last year wasn’t reclamation project bad. I know he’s making 200 million and you expect more but led the league in innings and would’ve had a pretty good season if you took away that 8 run blunder in Texas and pitched ok in the playoffs. Not saying he’d be worth 200 million but statistically he would’ve looked better than he did and people would be saying he got over the hump.
spudchukar
It was 2015 that Holliday missed time due to a quad strain. In 2016 it was a broken hand.
Jeff Todd
Darnit, fixed
brian6811
It looks like both Chris Sale and Andrew Miller are available by trade. Who would you rather have and what do you think it will cost the Red Sox?
redsox for_life
Sale!! Bradley Devers Korpect Marrero and Owen!!!! Millers is available??
brian6811
Would you rather include E-Rod or Kopech in a Chris Sale trade?
I read a few hours ago that someone suggested it may be a good time for the Indians to trade Miller. We need a very good lefty reliever.
I would make the trade for Sale if it was E-Rod traded and not Kopech!
redsox for_life
Ok! Yes him E-Rod or Pomeranz
mikecws91
I don’t think a deal gets done without Moncada or Benintendi. I think they’re more likely centerpieces than JBJ. The bidding for Sale is going to be insane.
brian6811
Okay here is who I would trade for Chris Sale. JBJ, Moncada, ERod, Owens and Marrero! Thoughts?
B-Strong
I’d be fine with that. if rather them go after Quintana though
jkjmmaol
That is WAY too much. JBJ Moncada and ERod will not be part of a trade together unless they’re getting Trout plus!
redsox for_life
Too much!!Not Moncada!! Devers ok
comebacktrail28
Trout lol
SupremeZeus
Not Red Sox specific necessarily, but I would not discount the possibility of a Chris Sale/Nate Jones or Jose Quintana/Nate Jones mega deal.
piersall55
Yes on Beltran/Morales short term, no big money and most important no lost draft pick. Then go for G. Holland/ and resign Zeigler. Abad is Aworse don’t keep him to justify your bad assessment in trading for him! The absolute untouchables in any trade are Betts, Bogaerts and Benintendi. All others are to be considered, but not thrown away.
redsox for_life
I said trade Bradley wt 3 more prospects ( not Moncada or Korpect) for Sale then trade Pomeranz and Marrero for Ozuna! Betts rf/Benetendi cf and Ozuna lf add to that Beltran plus Holland Zeigler
brian6811
One thing is for sure the Red Sox need to a Chris Sale type of SP, a high quality LH RP, a replacement for Kojo and Zeigler plus a quality short term LH DH.
We she seriously think about doing all of it!
I want Chris Sale
I want Brad Zeigler and/or Greg Holland
I want Chapman or Miller if he’s on the market
I want Beltran
I don’t want Buccholz
I don’t want Abad
I don’t want Taz
I don’t want Koji
I’m willing to trade JBJ
I’m willing to trade Moncada
I’m willing to trade Shaw
I’m willing to trade Bucholz
I’m willing to trade Pomeranz
I’m willing to trade Wright
I’m willing to trade Holt
I’m willing to trade Leon
I’m willing to trade Sandoval
I’m willing to trade ERod
I’m willing to trade Devers
I will not trade Benintendi
I will not trade Betts
I will not trade Bogearts
I will not trade Groome
I will not trade Kopeck
Anyways lets me know if you think we can make this happen?
pinballwizard1969
My guess is if there are as many teams interested in Beltran as are being reported then it’s going to take a 2 year deal probably $25 to $30MM deal to sign him in spite of his age.
stymeedone
DD sure knows how to talk up his tradables. He doesn’t play Swihart at C. He has him learn a new position. The organization basically says he has no future as a C, but the moment the off season arrives, they “still see Blake Swihart as a catcher”, while acknowledging they have no real spot for him at that position. Sorry Dave. If you’re not willing to play him there, why should anyone else give you catcher-value for him?.
giants51
Beltran …???? He’s done…. move on …. Be smart and invest on pitching…
redsox for_life
He’s done??? 293 29h 93rbi!!!please
nailz#4life
I have always thought a trade for the Twins Kennys Vargas as DH /1B would be interesting as he looks like David Ortiz and hey……he comes from the Twins (deja vu), has some pop, and is under the radar of everyone and would cost the Bsox nothing.
Doug S.
What the Sox should do…
For Chris Sale. Take 4, pick 1 from each line:
Prospect: Moncada/Devers/Dubon
Catcher: Swihart/Leon/Vasquez
SP: Rodriguez/Pomeranz
RP: Ross/Abad/Scott
Trade Buccholz and small prospect with upside to Miami for RP Barraclough
Sign Chapman for something ridiculous
(5 year, 85 million)
Sign Beltran to 1 yr deal. Maybe option if needed.
Starting 5: Sale, Porcello, Price, Wright, Erod/Pomeranz
Bullpen: Kimbrel/Chapman/Smith/Barraclough/Kelly/Barnes/Hembree
Starting 9: Pedroia/Benentendi(L)/Betts/Beltran(S)/Ramirez/Bradley(L)/Boegarts/Sandoval/Leon(S)
Bench: Holt/Young/Vasquez/Shaw
World Series done
Nick4747
The problem with that is swihart has no value as do none of the catchers as no one knows the value of last season. While those relievers are ok to good they’re not worth that much so subtract that. The proposal in this market (they dont have to trade him)is at least one of those prospects probably 2 with bradley, and still might not be enough. Which is way to much for one player. (No matter how good he is) I’m saying this as a red sox fan how much I believe they want which I feel is fare market value.
redsox for_life
DD has to move quick!! Imagine iff the Yankee sign EE plus a trade for Sale wt the prospects they have now from deal Chapman and Millers! They miss the playoff just for 3 games
brian6811
Right now, I’m thinking I’d rather spend the money on Chapman then I would a DH in free agency. I’d give Chapman whatever he wanted!
Secondly, trading for Chris Sale is a must, however, I’ve heard they would like to have JBJ to play their CF.
comebacktrail28
Hey man Great Deal white Sox send one of best pitchers in baseball for A good Prospect …. A catcher who hits 200…… Drew Pomerez who had 1 good year in SD never threw over 120 innings ….. And a loogy …….. You probably still have some left over prospects to get Trout and Kershaw
connorreed
I’m a Red Sox fan, but you’re really optimistic with what you think could get a Sale deal done.
Why is Devers on the same level as Moncada? And why is Dubon on the same level as either of them?
Do you really think Boston could get Sale for Dubon, Leon, Abad, and Pomeranz?
The starting package for Sale would have to be JBJ, Moncada, and Rodriguez. Then you add to that.
brian6811
Question! Which teams need a starting pitcher and have a quality setup that they might be willing to give up? Remember last season we traded Miley for Smith!