The White Sox are willing to listen to offers for just about all of their players, and industry sources regard them and the Dodgers as perfect trading partners, according to Yahoo Sports’ Jeff Passan (Twitter links). Ace Chris Sale, third baseman Todd Frazier and closer David Robertson are among the players Chicago could move, and all of them fit the Dodgers’ needs, notes Passan. Meanwhile, the White Sox like several Dodgers – outfielder Yasiel Puig and prospects Cody Bellinger, Alex Verdugo, Jose DeLeon and Willie Calhoun – so it seems the two sides could line up for some sort of deal this offseason.
Now for some American League notes:
- Former Twins reliever LaTroy Hawkins has joined the team’s revamped front office as a special assistant, reports Mike Berardino of the Pioneer Press. And longtime outfielder Torii Hunter, one of the greatest Twins ever, could be next. Hunter told Berardino he has had “several conversations about” taking on a role with the Twins, adding that he and the club “will talk here in the near future.” Hawkins and Hunter, both of whom retired after the 2015 campaign, spent a combined 21 major league seasons with the Twins. Minnesota chose Hawkins in Round 7 of the 1991 draft and Hunter in the first round in 1993.
- Although the Yankees are on the hunt for starting pitching, they could take advantage of a weak market and shop contract-year right-hander Michael Pineda, Joel Sherman of the New York Post suggests. Even if New York opts against that and only adds to its rotation, Sherman doesn’t see the team going to three years for free agency’s best option, onetime Yankee Rich Hill. New York has shown interest in Hill, Jason Hammel and Derek Holland this week.
- The Orioles did not add outfielder Mike Yastrzemski or catcher Audry Perez to their 40-man roster Friday, meaning both minor leaguers could end up leaving the organization in December’s Rule 5 draft. Baltimore is at least hoping to retain Yastrzemski, the grandson of Hall of Famer Carl Yastrzemski, writes Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com. Mike Yastrzemski hit just .221/.312/.369 in 385 plate appearances at Triple-A Norfolk in 2016, though injuries negatively affected him. “He had a labrum problem and he also had a core injury that he had to have surgery on, so he’s got a little work to do to be ready for the spring,” said general manager Dan Duquette. Scouts regard Yastrzemski as a potential fourth outfielder in the majors and Garcia as a possible reserve backstop, and Kubatko expects someone to draft the latter.
- Along with the previously reported Roger McDowell and Frank Viola, Orioles Double-A pitching coach Alan Mills, Cardinals minor league pitching coordinator Tim Leveque and Rangers minor league pitching coordinator Danny Clark are vying to replace the departed Dave Wallace as Baltimore’s pitching coach, per Kubatko. The club is looking to make a hire soon, perhaps as early as this weekend.
A White Sox-Dodgers blockbuster involving all those players and more would be FUN but probably won’t happen
Why not?
Because the White Sox,will ask for,the moon.
Kenny Williams might settle for a blurry photograph of the moon
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
lol
Why would the Dodgers give up prospects for Frazier and Robertson when they can just as easily resign Turner and Jansen OR they could sign Chapman. Money isn’t an issue for LA but giving up prospects is their biggest concern and it’s partly why they’ve been in the playoffs 5 straight years.
The Dodgers are more likely to try to trade for Braun because that deal doesn’t involve Urias or a package of all the Dodgers top prospects.
If I’m their GM I resign Jansen, I trade for Braun, and then I sign Chapman.
I actually agree with this like 90% depending on jansen and chapman contracts
NineCh, The Dodgers probably would prefer to do what you suggested here, but the WS would take advantage of this blockbuster trade to move D. Robertson and Frazier if the Dodgers insist to include Puig in it. This is probably just a point of view of Jeff Passan of a possible trade set up between these 2 teams.
I agree. Unless LA has some kind of budget constraint it’s easier to buy players than it is to get prospects.
In an English pub, watching Premier League football, a guy just laughed out loud at the ‘blurry moon’ comment. Thankyou.
Ryan Braun makes sense for the Dodgers but he will cost them some prospects, the quality of which depends on how much salary they will be willing to pick up. The more they assume, the less the return to the Brewers.
It also makes sense for the Dodgers to re-sign both Kenley Jansen and Justin Turner rather than have to trade for David Robertson and Todd Frazier. Jansen and Turner are each better at their positions, they wouldn’t have to relinquish any players or prospects in a deal and the Dodgers are the only club that will not have to forfeit a high draft pick for either since each were their own free agent.
It’s highly unlikely that the Dodgers would sign both Jansen and fellow FA Aroldis Chapman and not because they couldn’t afford both. Each would want to remain the closer and there will be plenty of other contending teams that can promise them that role exclusively.
It’s *Audry* Perez. Thanks.
So it looks like Passan is proposing a 30 player trade between the Dodgers and White Sox that includes every White Sox player available and every top prospect in the Dodgers system.
That Passan, always massan’ around
I would love a crazy trade.
How about:
Dodgers get: Chris Sale, Todd Frazier, and David Robertson
White Sox get: Puig, Urais, Bellinger, De Leon, Calhoun, and Grandal
Then the Dodgers sign Castro Weiters or Ramos.
I think there is absolutely no way the dodgers give up Urias for anyone. Especially since the kid has a chance to be better than Sale. He was 19 this year and showed he can dominate hitters.
he won’t be better than Sale
How do you know? He is 19 and already putting up good numbers.
Gimme dat crystal ball of yours
It would be hard to be better then Sale and Urias minor league numbers do not mean crap as far as that goes. You also said it was only a “chance” to be better. Well Dodgers would make the move to win now and not worry about taking a “chance” that Urias is better one day plus Sale is young as well. No way Sox should trade Sale to Dodgers without getting back Urias
If you’re not impressed with a 3.39 ERA in an age 19 season, I don’t know what to tell you.
The Dodgers will not Trade Urias so White Sox fans have to get that out of their mind.
Then the La’s don’t get Sale, and boy did they need him against the Cubs!
Doesn’t matter when you have a 20 year old that has already made it the bigs and did well he’ll his stuff might be as good as Sales you don’t trade him and I’m sure the White Sox brass know they aren’t getting Urias.
You don’t trade Urias soley because of the fact that you think that he be ~1/2 of Sale. Urias has 6 years (or 5 if the brought him up super 2), of at least MLB regular starter. I don’t see them including that in a package for a starter when they have a lot else. Might not be for a Sale or Q, but they can get a someone.
If you’re the Dodgers, the reason you do consider trading Urias is because of how fast he got to the big leagues. Somehow he made it this quickly without acquiring innings. He will (probably) have to be a 5 inning pitcher to build up his durability for the next two years, or they risk injury with him. Like Rick Porcello, who had to be monitored, he may not reach his potential until after his 6 years are up. I’d much rather have Sale in his prime, than Urias in his developmental years..
If the dodgers do make a trade for Sale, Urias is the main piece going back, I don’t think the white sox will deal sale without Urias being part of the deal plus De Leon
Then there will be no deal
I don’t think he will be half of Sale I think he will be all of Sale. Everyone thought the Dodgers should trade Seager last year and they were right not too. I put Urias in the same class as Seager he is untouchable. He will be a top 10 pitcher in baseball if not this year within a couple years. It is just my opinion and I’m not even a Dodgers fan I’m a Red Sox fan and would definitely trade Benintendi for Urias.
Great point by Stymee
In all fairness, Rick Porcello also never had the stuff that Urias has.
Compare their age 19 seasons., Porcello was pitching in high-A. Urias was pitching in Triple-A, and his line was still significantly better.
Urias: 1.40 ERA, 0.87 WHIP, 9.8 K/9, 1.6 BB/9, 6.13 K/BB
Porcello: 2.66 ERA, 1.19 WHIP, 5.2 K/9, 2.4 BB/9, 2.18 K/BB
Ramos won’t be ready till mid season. Who will be Dodgers starting catcher? Isn’t Ruiz a free agent?
Ruiz got traded
Ruiz was traded to Seattle.
I think you take urias out of that package and add someone else it probably works. Urias and Seager will be dodgers for a long time
Urias is the next ace. Maybe if he were still in A ball, but he’s already hit the bigs and shown he’s ready for the next step. While a trade is definitely possible, Dodgers aren’t giving up Urias.
I don’t think Urias will be an ace, but I agree you don’t trade him
Out of curiosity, why do you doubt he’ll be an ace?
He absolutely has the stuff. He already has three plus-plus pitches and an excellent makeup. His stuff plays up even more because his delivery his deceptive. He didn’t have any major control problems even at his age, and that should continue to get better.
And it’s important to remember that he’s only nineteen. When he got called up, the last pitcher to debut as young as him was Felix Hernandez in 2005. And he was impressive.
He struggled in his first two starts. But look at his line after those two outings. In his next 16 games, he was 5-1 with a 2.73 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, and 10.00 K/9. Plus batters put up a hugely inflated BABIP against him (.361).
Not to sound hyperbolic, but just read the scouting reports on him. Few players have ever had his stuff, especially at his age. Add in his maturity, work ethic, deceptive delivery, and lethal pick-off move, I don’t think there’s a better recipe for a future ace.
The only possible knock you can have on him is that he hasn’t proved his durability yet. But he doesn’t have a lengthy injury history, and his delivery is pretty mechanically sound. They just need to build up his stamina, and they have plenty of time to do it. After all, Chris Sale pitched out of the bullpen for his first two seasons.
Got to agree with one thing, you do like your trades crazy.
The dodgers are giving up way to much. That won’t happen
You mean Castro, Wieters, AND Ramos
Puig’s a headcase. I would consider moving Q, Robertson or Frazier for him, but not Sale. I would also prefer elite prospects over established big leaguers if I’m rebuilding for the future, which is what the Sox should be doing.
If management blows this I might have to become a Cardinals fan. What the hell is Their obsession with Puig? He simply cannot be a part of any return package for Sale or Quintana. If Urias and Bellinger don’t start the package coming back to Chicago it’s simple…Don’t make the trade. And please don’t trade Sale to Atlanta, they lack the top end prospects needed to equal out a trade.
I heard Swanson and Inciarte/Tehran has to be part of it or the Sox won’t consider moving Sale. I think those 2/3 players can change your mind.
Did you hear that Hiro? Your in the GM meetings? If you wanna give your opinion, go for it. I am sure we all can respect that. Don’t be that assuming clown trying to look like something your clearly not.
I keep hearing that the other teams top ready now prospects won’t be traded, like Urias, Swanson, Moncada or Bienintendi, Bregman, etc… If that’s the case, Sale stays a white Sox. They want him, and you know they do, you gotta come with something!
I’ll take that from ATL and move ahead.
No chance they get Urias who could be superior to Sale. And Puig will most definitely be in the deal. Maybe the Dodgers throw in that Alvarez kid in the low minors along with Bellinger, Barnes, DeLeon, and Calhoun but definitely not Urias
Superior? Could be? Could is a very strong word. The tricky part will be turning could in to will. Very tricky indeed.
As a throw in piece, I find that extremely hard to believe. Look we know about Puig’s struggles, but in a sense they’ve been majorly overblown. He’s a good guy in the community, but no one every acknowledges that. He was actually embraced in the clubhouse after he was recalled which is kind of shocking.
The talent to be a super star is still there and that’s what everyone’s obsession is. For the most part there was a conscious effort to change when he returned. Defensively he’s pretty much there. Truly now the only question that’s the most important is can he make that swing adjustment. It’s not going to benefit him to stay in LA simply because LA is in a win now position. If the White Soxs are going to rebuild that’s a heck of a lottery ticket. What’s the risk really? If he flops they NT him or move him. If he succeeds now you’re sitting on a fan favorite which you keep or package.
This is a throw in piece in which both sides save face. You can’t blame the Soxs for taking a chance on a throw in piece and Dodgers can sleep comfortably knowing if he fulfills his potential so be it they obtained a top 10 pitcher in the process.
And, that he’s playing in another league. It’s always more painful to trade a resurgent player if you have face him 15 times a season. Puig gets or got a lot of bad press especially from his first season when he showboated nonstop and rubbed a lot of players and fans (mainly not in LA) the wrong way. He needed to grow up a little and learn to respect the game more. He’s done that for the most part and now has more trade value than many seem to understand.
Exactly yes he does. He might not have centerpiece value but he does have a lot of value. He also does have three years of control.
His OPS for 2 straight years is below .760. He has 2 years left on the deal. That is what his value is, and that value isn’t much.
This is a great post, BlueSky. Totally nailed it.
Top 10? Maybe you can go 5 with that.
First let’s get this correct he has three years of control. He has two years at the current rate and year of arb. He has value. You can sit here and say he doesn’t but his talent alone provides value. And yes you’d be surprised at the value he does have. That’s not to say he is a major piece in this trade, because he’s not and he won’t be. But we will probably agree to disagree
The question is does he have value to the White Sox? They are looking at moving any player with less than 4 yrs control. Puig only has 3yrs. LA (fans) think he has value. If I am the WS, I would rather get something else, than lessen by any substantial value the return for Sale. Saying Puig has value as a come back candidate, is like saying Shields has value because he eats innings.
There is no way the Dodgers are trading Urias and I think if the White Sox trade Sale it will be for less then what every White Sox fan want for him.
No it won’t.
Not gonna happen
If money is no object for LAD, then we do not have any interest in Robertson and Frazier! We just resign Kenley, JT and keep our prospects. No way we give up Julio. I mean no disrespect to CWS or Sale; but the man lost velocity in second half and I would prefer we resign Hill and just go with JDL.
Money is definitely an object for the Dodgers, but I also would not expect them to sweep out the cupboard going after two or three players, no matter how good they might be.
Frazier I get it absolutely don’t want Frazier. But Robertson makes sense as a setup man a lot of sense. Nothing is going to move for the Dodgers until the CBA. Look money is an object especially getting close to the threshold. People don’t think it’s a problem, because you see the bloated payroll (as they attempted to get from under Colletti’s bad contracts) but billionaires don’t become billionaires by paying 100-120 M every year to the MLB.
As much as I was happy to see Colletti go, I don’t blame him for those terrible contracts. Ownership wanted to make a splash and he did just that.
Norcalblue ya don’t know what you’re talking about.
The media has been trying to trade Dodger prospects since the system became great again. Yet, they haven’t traded really traded any outside of the necessary Rich Hill trade. Hell, they are quick to trade proven major league players like Kemp, Gordon, etc. before they traded prospects.
A point well taken. Also, a lot of fans, mainly not in LA, have been trying to trade away every bit of talent the Dodgers have coming up and then some.
You just have to roll your eyes at some of these proposals. Sox GM already kinda lost his leverage when you say you want to sell off your long term contracts.
I prefer to squint my eyes and they turn into hamburgers.
No you don’t. There are 29 other teams in MLB
The Dodgers and the Yankees are similar this off season, they don’t show their hands. They both can be big spenders, have prospects, and will make moves to improve their teams. The Sox have shown their hand, which might not be the best thing to do.. I have a theory that players that are constantly talked about in a trade generally get moved, so let’s see if the Sox have a reasonalble offer for Sale and they take it. Trading a super star player is hard, because you can never really get that value back in a trade. Can anyone think of a big player deal other than Hershal Walker?
Puig has been mediocre the last 2 seasons and was sent down to AAA. He has 2 years left on the deal. Puig has little value and is a throw-in, nothing more. Puig plus the 2nd tier Dodgers prospects won’t cut it.
Yet he and McCarthy almost yielded Braun for the dodgers. That’s one hell of a throw-in.
That’s because Braun’s contract is an issue going foward and let’s not forget his history with PEDs.
Urias is part of any deal involving Sale, otherwise the deal doesn’t happen. He might be 19 & he could be as good as Sale…one day. Sale is top 5 MLB SP now & would make one nasty lefty combo w/Kershaw. I won’t argue that Urias could be special, right now he has a lot of potential, Dodgers are built to win now. 3yrs of Sale + his ridiculous low salary make him extremely valuable. Urias = Rodon ton of untapped talent, if your the Dodgers can you wait for it or get the proven Stud…just my opinion. Fun to debate about.
The truth is the Dodgers aren’t in win-now mode. This FO has shown no urgency in that department whatsoever (much to the dismay of a frustrated fan base). Competitive maybe, but winning only if it comes along with the reconstruction project as they see it.
This ownership is a weird hybrid, not easy to figure out. They are very qualified to make good moves. They had Greinke and let him go, so you wouldn’t think they over pay for anyone! The Sox are looking for a haul in return so I don’t see the match. Fangraphs has them with the second highest WAR right now, they could do nothing and they might make the playoffs.
They aren’t so hard to figure out. Last year, the Dodgers once again sold more tickets than any other team in baseball. This year, the Dodgers raised ticket prices again (some seats have more than doubled in price in the last two years). So long as they can sell that many ticket and squeeze more dollars out of every seat in the house, their mission is accomplished. If they can do it with a team that costs less to field, then whether that team is championship quality is immaterial. Following the money explains a lot.
Right Shoeless? These Dodger fans are making me laugh with this Urias being the second coming of Drysdale or Kaufax. Not so fast, Kowalski’s!!!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
yawn, same people like you were underselling Seager last year at this time.
seagar was better than urias and pitching prospects do not equal hitting prospects. Urias is high end 2 middle rotation 3.(which i would not trade in a package for sale).
People forget the Dodgers are only second to the Cubs in moving prospects to the majors lately. Seager and Pederson are some of the best in the league. Bellinger looks to be the next one up! The hard move for them will be to move Gonzo. in a year.
What are you talking about Urias was elite I would say his peripherals say he was already a 2 or 3 and he is just 20. He definitely has Ace potential what are you talking about.
Then the deal ain’t happening because the Dodgers are not trading Urias.
If CWS really won’t trade Sale unless Urias is included (which I think is a fair centerpiece even though I would never do it if I was the Dodgers) then I think the Red Sox would definitely part with Moncada at most if CWS wasn’t so insistent on JBJ. And if Moncada goes you have to think Kopech does too.
Here’s the fun part of being a armchair GM. Every team over values their prospect it’s just the way the game has changed over the past decade. Crap even the W. Sox FO does it & the last time I checked their minor league system sits towards the bottom. I love reading both sides of the argument on Urias, Swanson, Turner & Benintendi/Moncada to be included in a package for Sale. Unfortunately, minus these gents, getting Sale is less than 10%. I believe Turner is the most MLB ready, followed by Urias, Benintendi & Moncada. The Sox want young controllable talent (preferably MLB ready prospects), so for all the armchair GM’s take off your loyalty blinders & see it for what it is: Sale = legit ace (in either league) + stupid team friendly contract w/3yrs left. Now if you where the Sox what would expect for him? As much as I’d love to get a Shelby Miller package (worst lopsided trade ever) i doubt it will match that, but it better be in the same ballpark if I’m Hahn. I’ll post some of my trade thoughts later & what teams match up. Cheers Gents, time to get ready to watch the Bears lose again
You simply don’t understand the Dodgers’ plans if you think they are trading Urias. They are not, and it’s really pretty basic. They could’ve traded him 2 years ago for Hamels, who could’ve helped them immensely at the time (and still would be helping them greatly). This was at a time when Urias, though very highly regarded, had far more uncertainty around his big league prospects than he does now. Now, he has some proven MLB results under his belt, to the tune of an ERA around 3.50 as a 19/20 year old in the bigs, and he got better as he got his feet wet. They aren’t trading him. For anyone.
Now let’s turn our attention to the White Sox. Obviously, they don’t HAVE to trade Sale. However, we don’t know just how motivated they are. What if the owner mandates a fire sale, as some reports have essentially alluded to? If that’s the case, then the GM is going to be compelled to take whatever the best strong offer is–even if there’s no one in the package like Urias, or Moncada, etc.–because Sale’s value is only going to go down from here, as team control goes down and as fewer teams get involved in the bidding (which would be the case at the trade deadline). The Dodgers are still loaded with prospects, very highly-regarded prospects. I’m not saying that a deal for Sale will end up happening with the Dodgers, but they certainly have enough to make something happen if the ChiSox decide that now’s the time to get the best value that they can in a package involving Sale.
Oh, and I don’t see the Dodgers having interest in Frazier. The Dodger front office values on-base percentage in their players, and Frazier’s is god-awful.
No reports have alluded to a fire sale. Every report says they’re “willing to listen.” That’s a tremendous jump. I can guarantee they won’t sell elite players for pennies on the dollar. If the right deal comes along, they’ll make it. If not, they’ll have no problem holding off for now.
Sale will still be worth a lot for the next two seasons at least. Period. Love all of these homer fans that keep trying to downplay Sale so their team can try to foist one over on the Sox. The Sox are not stupid, contrary to how Williams has run them, or Sale would likely be gone already for the last trade deadline of the season. The Sox Org, because of some bad deals in the past, now that they have to win on the trade, even if that win is for both clubs, but if they fail to get a good package and the team that gets Sale wins a WS, someone is getting fired (to be fair Williams could have been fired for bringing in Ventura in the first place).
So Red Sox fans think they’re getting Sale without giving up Benintendi, Braves fans think they’re getting Sale without giving up Swanson, and now Dodgers fans think they’re getting Sale without giving up Urias. Not sure what planet everyone is living on. The White Sox are pressed by neither finances nor time to deal Sale so if no one is willing to pony up their most elite, major league ready talent in return he’s staying in Chicago.
The Dodgers are not giving Urias that is the one thing I am certain of. Let’s see the guy, as a then 19 year old now 20, went 5-2 with low 3s fip struck out almost 10 an inning and has good control. He is going to be great next year and he is only 20. I would rather have Urias then Sale straight up right now. I don’t think the Dodgers are trading Urias for anyone. If the White Sox brass insist on Urias then it’s an easy hang up the phone for the Dodgers.
That’s perfectly fine then. If LA wants someone who someday might be the ace Chris Sale has already proven himself to be that’s their prerogative.
How many times in 1 thread are you going to say essentially the same thing? Just curious.
As much as it takes until White Sox fans understand they are not getting Urias.
They were offering him supposedly in the summer for Sale. I don’t think he did anything to really change their mind. You definitely don’t have any inside knowledge that they won’t trade him.
You’re just hoping they won’t trade him.
I actually don’t care if the Dodgers trade Urias I just think they are not going to. I never heard that the Dodgers were willing to trade Urias in any deal. I just don’t think they are trading him they have had lots of opportunities and they have not done it and now he has arrived.
I am actually a Red Sox fan and heard that the White Sox wanted JBJ at the trade deadline and they also coveted Moncada so would not be surprised to see the Red Sox make that trade with probably Erod to finish the deal because they won’t need another lefty starter if they get Sale. I’m sure that White Sox fans will not like this deal but it seems that the White Sox brass like JBJ and Moncada. If the Red Sox trade JBJ and Moncada then Erod just makes sense. The White Sox get a gold glove 5 war center fielder a potential 5 tool superstar in Moncada and high upside young pitcher seems fair to me.
Bruin 1012 being a Red Sox fan would you like that trade for your team? I’m a White Sox fan and would be thrilled with that return even though I’m not a huge JBJ guy. I would much prefer that package over anything LA could offer and that would include Urias
I personally am not thrilled about losing JBJ. I think for any Sale deal to happen Moncada is gone and he would be what the White Sox want in a deal like that. To add Chris Sale I think I would do that deal as a Red Sox fan.
Saleaway let me tell watching JBJ play centerfield is like watching poetry his defense is so good and his arm absolutely is a weapon even when he is in one of his slumps he still contributes and when he gets hot there is very few more valuable players. The question about JBJ is if he can get more consistent at the plate if he does he becomes an absolute superstar and would be a steal for the White Sox.
If Rick Hahn were to be offered that package he should take it and run and look for a similar deal for Quintana in my opinion.
So instead of maximizing winning a championship with Kershaw in his prime by adding sale, you would rather not trade urias with hopes of him becoming sale. This makes no sense, you are wasting Kershaw year in and year out. I guess you would rather come up short every year in the playoffs instead of actually winning a championship.
The only person who proposed a trade that nets Sale for the Dodgers admitted it was a crazy proposal. That’s about as close as you will come to hearing Dodgers fans thinking about getting Sale. You might be the one on Planet Wild Imagination.
You”re the same guy saying a team that just went to the NLCS and has the best pitcher in the game in his prime is not in win-now mode, right? Must be wild on Planet Delusion.
That was kind of weird as a response to anything that actually happened. The Dodgers have been to the playoffs four years in a row, but have also failed to advance past the NLCS (or even get that far twice) because they did not make the in-season moves that teams always make when they are in win-now mode.
The Braves could potentially get him without giving Swanson, but they would have to include so many more prospects as a result that it doesn’t make sense for them either way. They’re not close enough to contention that adding Sale would be what gets them over that hump. If they were to make a deal for him, I feel like next winter would be the more appropriate time for it to happen.
That’s why Sale will likely end up in Chicago, or WS fans will be extremely disappointed when they end up with a good haul but less than what their fans expected.
If only you could trade draft picks. Id love to see the giants trade the farm and future picks a plenty for sale just to watch him face the dodgers 3 years in a row as they face cueto bumgardner samardjza and sale.
Dodgers dont wanna give up urias- thats fine other teams have just as much talent the white sox want for sale. Red sox and astros have talent available for instance.
I mean sale + to the astros for cameron bregman and paulino package + makes sense. If the astros need a 3B go trade for solarte- undervalued but productive with team control. Could get solarte + with colin moran and some guys.
I’ve long viewed the Dodgers as a good trading partner with the White Sox, dating back to last offseason when they were actually needed to complete the Todd Frazier deal with the Cincinnati Reds. When that trade was first reported, I thought the White Sox were about to acquire Yasiel Puig, whom they have coveted for some time now. At that time, the Dodgers were not pushing for a Puig trade but were shopping Carl Crawfors and Andre Ethier instead.
In addition to the Dodgers, the White Sox match up very well with the Cubs. LA would have more pitching to offer in return in any package for Sale and others but the Cubs have an element that the White Sox sorely need…high caliber MLB ready position players who can flat out hit.
My prejudice, as a rare lifelong fan of both the Cubs and White Sox, would be to have the two local teams match up for a blockbuster deal. That way, I would be guaranteed the opportunity to root for many of my favorite players who might otherwise depart…each and every day of the upcoming season as members of one Chicago ball club or the other, North Side and South Side. I’d long to see Chris Sale finally get a chance at the postseason or perhaps Kyle Schwarber become the next “Sultan of Swat” without killing himself in the OF. LOL
Glad to hear about Hawkins. Always liked the guy.
Deleon should stay in LA. Urais and DeLeon can be great #2 and #3 behind Kershaw
In order to get something of value like sale you have to give something value. A lot of guys want to keep your best prospects but expect to get Chris Sale. Well I got news for you almost every team in MLB wants this guy and are talking to the White soxs.
Here are the teams that make sense for Sale to me- Red Sox, Yankees, Nats, Dodgers, Cubs , Cards, and Jays. They are big market contenders who have young players and prospects to get it done. The rest of the teams won’t go after him with only a three year window. These teams also won’t over pay for him because they don’t need to do it.
Don’t forget the pirates, Sale’s contract is cheap and affordable for the pirates plus they have the pitching prospects
Astros make a ton of sense too.
Pass on Sale he is junk
This comment is sponsored by Chris Sale’s 4-1, 1.17 ERA lifetime mark against the NYY. 🙂
The Yankees get to demand, and receive, a king’s ransom for a couple of relievers. In contradt, the White Sox get criticized for expecting top prospects for a perennial Cy Young candidate with a club-friendly contract? I think there’s more at play here than most people are willing to admit. The game is obviously fairer to some teams than others. The Sox have been on the losing end of far too many trades and free agent signings throughout their history to suggest mere coincidence.
they started 24-10 and then they fell apart. Chris Sale was on his way to possibly winning the al cy young. And now they are looking to retool and rebuild. Teams like the dodgers , pirates and nationals are great fits for him but I think the pirates could pull of a deal for him. Glasnow + Khul + Kingham and maybe Cutch and I think the white sox go for it
Omg I’m sure the league tells players who sign with the sox to suck. That’s the take your going to take here.
Huh? Nah, I’m saying most of their trades have been one-sided or neutral at best. Their futile attempts at signing FAs has cost them over the years too. Several times, all they needed was a slugging OF or quality starter to make a playoff push. They wind up signing Father Time to some meager contract and try to turn it into a PR victory for the fans. I’ve been a Sox fan for 35 years, and have seen this happen time and time again. Why is it the Tigers, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Dodgers and Rangers get who they want (and still end up with quality farm systems no less), but the Sox fail miserably at any attempt to upgrade the roster?
The Sox have their big problem in the org with the guy running it in Williams and an owner who refuses to fire the incompetent would hired Ventura and kept him around for 5 mediocre seasons.
Sox also can’t draft unless it’s for a starting pitcher and refuse to open up the wallets. The fact that they still have yet to sign anyone in their history to a $100M deal baffles me. Shows they’re not serious about competing, just about being mediocre and trying to sell the same BS as each prior year to the fans. 2005 was a miracle run, and the Sox won’t sniff that again until after we get some turnover at the top levels.
Good point, Sale is worth more than any team will give them, that’s the problem! He is more of a mid season trade with a contender to me, a hired gun like Lester and Price were.
the same can be said with the angels and mike trout
If the White Sox got JBJ, Moncada, and Erod for Sale that would be light years ahead of anything the Yankees got for there relievers and I think Sale would get a package like that.
I think a deal like this could have some legs depending on the direction the White Sox want to go. Based on what I’ve heard, they seem to really like JBJ, and I highly, highly doubt the Red Sox would trade both JBJ and Benintendi – wouldn’t make a ton of sense for them. So I’d assume it’d take one of JBJ/Benintendi, Moncada, and a couple pitchers. In regards to pitching, I think it’d just depend on what they think about Erod. If they like him, he could be the piece. If not, I think it’d take one of Kopech/Groome. Then it wouldn’t surprise me if there was another minor piece or two in the deal (somebody not highly ranked in the system). Obviously the White Sox would want more and the Red Sox would want to give up less, but I think this would be a realistic middle.
Sum it up:
JBJ/Benintendi + Moncada + Erod/Kopech/Groome + lower level (and lower ranked) flier or two
90% of the criticism is coming from the guy who describes Jackie Bradley Jr’s defense as “poetry”, despite writing at a 4th grade level and clearly never having been exposed to anything more advanced than Shel Silverstein.
Trade Sale and Quintana to the Cubs for Theo Epstein. Then they’ll have someone in their organization that can actually evaluate and develop young talent. Until they move on from this front office it doesn’t really matter what they do. unless everyone here feels that Chris Getz, their new Director of Player Development, is the answer.
The Dodgers are in win now mode.
They have a few young pieces, but an aging roster. Kershaw is already showing signs of wear.
Urias may be great in 3 years, Sale is great now; including 3 years of control at an incredible $37M, which brings him to his age 30 season.
Theres no such thing as an equal trade.
I pull the trigger if im CWS and LAD.
Here’s some fun armchair GM trades for Sale by team: Again, there’s always the possibility too add players to increase the deal package.
Braves: Albies, Newcomb, Maintan & Weigel
***Swanson’s not happening so let’s just throw that out there. So you get your future 2b combo w/Anderson. Newcomb is close to breaking thru to MLB rotation & has some great potential. The key in this deal is Maintan, 5 tool player at a young age, leave him in the minors & let him develop. Weigel is a potential end of the rotation starter or long reliever.
Dodgers: Urias, Bellinger, Calhoun & Barnes
***Urias slots into starting rotation, Bells can play LF or 1b, let him do his things in the minors until he forces his wAy onto the MLB roster. Calhoun is the ultimate Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde, dude flat out rakes & is a butcher in the field, he makes Schwaber look like a gold glover. Barnes is a stopgap catching option until Collins proves he can be an everyday Catcher. Dodgers have some other intangible projects to swap if this doesn’t hit close. Dodgers could look at Frasier or Lawrie as they might need a 2b or 3b depending on Turner. I’ve heard numerous Dodger fans say no way they trade Urias for Sale, if that’s the case you slot Deleon. I’m in the company that I think these two teams match up well considering they share a Spring training home. This allows them to get a closer look at some of the prospects named, i’d rather not see Puig on the South side unless its on the peanuts. I truly believe if a deal does go down it will be numerous pieces going across the field. Sale & Frasier or Lawrie & maybe Robertson.
Nationals: Giolito, Robles, Stevenson, Servino & Glover
***Sox get a SP to slot into the rotation. You get a potential 5 tool OF for the future. Stevenson continues to hit & play great df & Glover is another power arm you can develop into a SP or back of the bullpen. Servino could be a interesting C prospect.
Red Sox: JBJ, Moncada or Devers, Kopech & Swirhart
***I don’t see DD trading Benintendi (Nintendo) so that’s why JBJ goes. If I’m Hahn I’m asking for both Moncada & Devers & build around that w/Swirhart & a lower level prospect. This could turn into a Dodgers type of deal. Maybe a Sale/Abreau & Robertson type of package….& of course even Fraiser.
Yankees: Frasier, Mateo, Acevedo & Adams
***Sox get their starting LF of the future in Frasier, Mateo can eventually slot into 2b. You get two you power pitchers to build into the a Rotation or Relief. This might not be enough, some will suggest you add Torres instead of Mateo & Judge for Frasier. Either way it’s interesting prospects to package.
Again, this is done for fun & probably a stretch or too light in some of your eyes (depending what team you cheer for). I left the Pirates, Stros, Rangers & Cubs off this list. Pirates won’t pony up & I think their in a bit of a identity crisis. Astros have made some interesting trades & FA signings + I’m not sure they meet the needs of the Sox. Rangers where a perfect fit during the trade deadline, but they traded some of the assets + they won’t trade any of their MLB talent. The shine is rubbing off of Profar & Casey at the Bat Gallo. Well that leaves the crosstown WS champs, need I say more? Theo hang ups when Hahn asks for Schwarbimo & Baez. As many of you’ve mentioned the Sox need to blow it up & rebuild. My concern (as many) is KW will have his say in this & that scares the SH!T out of me & all Sox fan. As he once told Frank Thomas “you better stay out of White Sox Business” take a piece of your own advice. Thanks for 2005 now go fly a kite. Let Hahn build his team, let’s see what he can do. Two things will help his cause: 1. Be transparent w/the players & fans. Fans will be more forgiving if your honest (Royals, Astros & Cubs as examples) w/them + I’d rather watch young kids learn & grow together as a team. Can’t stand the Cubs, but I respect their FO & players, their a young fun group to watch play the game. 2. Read my earlier comment, keep KW in Arizona on the golf course & as far away from Hahn & his crew. Hopefully after a couple years the Sox can develop their young talent & compete for a playoff spot year in year out…one can dream.
Cheers
Braves make the deal with the Sox… but it’s not Sale… it’s Rodon. If the Sox want to rebuild then you mine as well trade him too.
Yah. They should definitely trade a good young pitcher with top of the rotation stuff while he’s under contract for like 6 more years. That’s a great idea for a rebuild.
Non-sarcastic response – Rodon is one of two players that they’re keeping almost no matter what. I say almost because everyone is available for the right price, but a deal with him won’t happen. Rodon and Anderson are staying put for now.
I’d trade Frazier and Robertson in a heartbeat. I wouldn’t let Sale go to the Dodgers unless the Sox get both Urias and de Leon and someone else (not Puig). I honestly wish the Sox had traded Sale last year, before he had what was for him a bad season and wasted another year of control. Also, it was before so many prospects came up for the Dodgers and Red Sox and played well and before Betts had his breakout year. Sox could’ve gotten a huge haul, though the blurry picture of the moon comment at the top of this thread sums up management’s competence beautifully.
There’s no way the Dodgers will trade Urias at this point.
So then what? Keep Sale another season and see if they can get Urias next off-season? If they want a franchise-altering package for Sale, they need to trade him this off-season.
Not really. Deadline deal will also be available and possibly for the prospects they want to acquire – Id ask for Seager
I keep seeing where the Yankees are looking for pitching. They have a strong minor league system and could easily make an offer on Chris Sale. Who is saying “no”
Real business. Giancarlo Stanton for Puig, Alex Wood and Jose DeLeone. Dodgers say yes?
And Marlins laugh in your face.
The majority of Dodger fan sentiment about Urias is being misconstrued. Most of us believe that he has an excellent chance of being a top-tier pitcher. However Urias value is years of control. Urias is actually one of the most valuable assets in baseball. Guys like Seager, Lindor, Correa, Kris Bryant, Syndergaard,etc who have already performed at high level and have years of cheap control value wise to a baseball are worth a bit more than say a Max Scherzer. Scherzer is great, but his contract is about 215M. With that said, I think Sale has 3 more years of control left, and he is polished. Urias has 6 years of control and probably need a year to at least build up to 170 Innings, the following year. I personally kind of like De Leon a lot. I think he may actually end better than Urias. I wouldn’t sleep on Puig. Regardless of anyone’s personal opinion he has legitimate value by GM standards.