There’s an expectation among rival executives that the Rays will trade one of either Drew Smyly or Chris Archer this winter, writes ESPN’s Buster Olney in his latest blog (Insider subscription required and recommended). Other teams are also expecting that Tampa Bay will trade closer Alex Colome, who moved into the ninth inning following an injury to Brad Boxberger and delivered a brilliant breakout season in the Rays’ bullpen, though we haven’t really heard any specific clubs tied to him. Smyly is projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn $6.9MM this winter in his latest trip through the arbitration process, while Colome is not yet eligible for arbitration (though he’s building a nice case for himself when he does reach that point). Because Colome hasn’t reached arbitration and comes with an additional four years of club control, the Rays should be able to ask for a sizable haul. Of course, those same factors also mean that Tampa Bay doesn’t need to feel an urgency to move Colome, as he’d earn scarcely over the league minimum in 2017. The 27-year-old posted a pristine 1.91 ERA and averaged 11.3 K/9 against 2.4 BB/9 to go along with a 47.1 percent ground-ball rate in 56 2/3 innings.
A bit more on some other possible trade and free agent scenarios around the league…
- The Athletics are “actively listening to offers” for right-hander Sonny Gray, per Olney. Gray’s name has been a mainstay in trade rumors over the past year and a half, but with a $3.7MM salary projection for next season and Oakland looks more likely to move veteran pieces, there’s a better chance this winter that he’s moved than there has been in previous trade seasons. Of course, teams may be wary of Gray’s 5.69 ERA and time on the disabled list this past season, and the A’s aren’t likely to consider selling Gray at a discounted price, so agreeing on price with interested teams certainly presents some hurdles. Gray is still just 27 and is controlled for another three seasons.
- With Brian McCann shipped out today, the Yankees appear to be turning their attention to additions to the roster. Pitching is at the top of the list, with Rich Hill a possible target, Olney tweets. And he adds that slugger Carlos Beltran remains a target. As James Wagner of the New York Times reports (Twitter links), GM Brian Cashman says that the organization is looking to add bats. While it isn’t committed to spending big, he says he expects to continue discussions with top-of-the-market hitter Yoenis Cespedes. “I’m sure we’ll talk again,” said Cashman of his contact with Cespedes’s reps. “Now that we have more flexibility, it gives us more choices.”
- Though the Braves have been connected to several top young starters, their focus is on trying to work a deal with the White Sox for Chris Sale, according to David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. It’s still unclear just how hard Atlanta will push to pry him loose, and certainly Chicago isn’t in a position where it needs to move its affordable, excellent, and still-youthful ace. And as O’Brien notes, the Braves have signaled previously that they aren’t interested in emptying their farm to move toward contention — though there may be an added willingness to give up some premium assets in this case, as would certainly be necessary to get something done.
- The Blue Jays are looking into infielder/outfielder Sean Rodriguez, Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca reports. It seems that Toronto would like to add a right-handed-hitting piece with some defensive versatility, with Rodriguez joining Steve Pearce as plausible targets. The idea would be to utilize such a player as a platoon complement to first baseman Justin Smoak (a switch-hitter who struggles against lefties) and in the corner outfield.
unsaturatedmatz
I like trains. Dontrelle Willis should come back.
ernestofigueroa87
I like it!
joefriday1948
Dontrelle was the best. He could really kick out those wins
ChiSoxCity
Boy, a healthy farm system sure would be nice.
chieftoto
Well if Coppy gets an itchy finger, you might just be getting that.
thepapacy
Man I’ve been saying that since last year’s dead line, when I was praying that we moved samarzdjia (sp), and Robertson when tears where paying a fortune for closers and we lost Jeff for just a comp pick seeing how we gave up only simien really to get him..instead of restocking with multiple players who are some what know..even though we got Burdi with that pick
ucalex
Would anybody actually feel comfortable signing Rich Hill for 2 years? Honestly though, because he still seems to be a band aid at age 36 and to me the production doesn’t matter.
ucalex
2 plus years
southi
ucalex, it depends on the team signing him and their financial situation and need for pitching. Most “experts” seem to think Hill will actually get a three year contract. Personally while I’ll agree he has superior stuff, he has too many legitimate question marks to warrant a three year deal. I do think someone however will bite in the 3 year for $40-45 million range.
bsteady powers
2 yrs 35 mil
bsteady powers
I’d rather pad the 2 years with him than go 3
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Yeah two years with a vesting based on innings sure.
A'sfaninUK
Even if he’s old and injury-prone, every team in MLB would pay top dollar for 15+ Kershaw-esque starts every year.
ccremer2
I still don’t understand why the Mark Trumbo market hasn’t heated up. He can hit for power and has the ability to play multiple positions (although he has struggled in the field). I could see the whole AL East (especially the Yankees and Orioles) waiting to sign him but I haven’t seen his name pop up once.
TalonBfromTn
Because it’s early in Free Agency….?
Philliesfan4life
How about the red sox signing him to replace Ortiz?
bobtillman
Because: (a) Trumbo doesn’t “struggle” in the field, he’s horrendous in the field. even at 1B, where he’ll catch it if you hand it to him. He also has no speed and clogs the bases. So its the AL or bust.
(b) The power was more indicative of the general rise in MLB. Not saying he doesn’t have power; he does. But a lot of teams have had success lately being more contact-oriented.
(c) The K-rate is abysmal.
In a productive lineup, championship-caliber, he’s a 7th place hitter; you can’t trust him not to break a rally. Big money teams only can afford him.
Brad Miller hit 12 fewer home runs, or one HR each 11 games or so. And who knows how many of them came in games already out of reach, as with Trumbo. So do really want to pay about 12 million more for Trumbo?
somethinghere
(c) – For what it’s worth, he hit .313/.378/.631/24.6% K rate with runners on vs. .216/.272/.465/29.9% with the bases empty. And for his career, his OPS+ is 18 points higher (110) when hitting with runners on.
So it would actually appear that he’s just the guy you want up when a rally is ongoing!
badco44
Bat is plus plus, D is very very shakey at best… Balt owner has tight wallet guys…
halos101
i would not want anything to do with him at the price he’ll probably get. i loved him on the angels, but no way i would want him with a big contract that he’ll demand
A'sfaninUK
Trumbo is a 1-tool player. He’s the most overrated FA in the market in my opinion. If he gets more than 50 mill that team is throwing money away. His peak season last year netted him only a 2.2 fWAR. Ifa team pays more than $15M a season on that then they are dumb.
stymeedone
Would you be surprised if we were talking Chris Carter as a FA, instead of Trumbo? Trumbo had a nice season, but is he likely to repeat it? You’re more likely to get Chris Carter numbers next year. I really wouldn’t want to give up a first round pick for that. If the Orioles go a different direction, I think he may be out there a while.
A'sfaninUK
You would think Carter and Trumbo would be a decent comp, but Trumbo has fared way better at most facets of the game. Carter has a career 3.4 fWAR since 2010 and Trumbo has 8.3, so there is quite a gap in quality there. I agree that neither are worth spending $15M a year on, but Carter is really really bad at baseball other than hitting homers and drawing walks. No idea why the Brewers are bothering with him, he’s a FT DH.
christian18cutshaw
I can see him getting 3 years with a pending option for a fourth depending on innings. Look at what the braves just gave Dickey. At 42 years old I know he’s a knuckle baller but still. 42 is 42 if he can get a deal with a chance to be a 2 year deal Hill could get a front loaded potential 4 year imo
jjdunckley
Thank you Houston for making sure the Braves didn’t overpay for a McCann reunion. Hopefully now they will focus on finding out which one of the “Big 3” available starters they can acquire for the least amount of prospects. I know Sale, Archer and Gray are worth a nice haul but I don’t want to see gut the system or move Inciarte or Folty.
Philliesfan4life
I want to see the cubs make a trade for Sonny Gray
Outlaws12
For gods sake why?
tim815
Prefer Shoemakers from the Angels at a lower prospect price. Or anyone similar.
stymeedone
Any takers for Pelfrey or Anibal?
staypuft
Lol oh man idk if anybody wants Pelfrey
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Well then look one the second tier. Either one will gut a system. There is no urgency to move any of them. And someone will be willing to pay the price for it.
julyn82001
Gray is the main anchor of an A’s very young but promising pitching staff… No way they can sale low on Sonny because of a down year…
Philliesfan4life
the cubs and braves have the prospects to get the deal done. I think the cubs make a trade for another starter because I don’t see them giving Arrieta a contract over 200 mill
mattg-5
Arrietta is not a free agent right now. The Cubs do not need starting pitching, Grey would be their number 5.
ChiSoxCity
The Cubs should trade Arietta before free agency.
Outlaws12
lol yeah sure he would. Because Lackey is so much better than Sonny Gray
George Herman
Lackey has been a lot better lately.
Michael Macaulay-Birks
John Lackey is a bulldog
One Fan
The Cubs should not trade Arrieta before free agency. He is there number 3 pitcher on their championship team trying to repeat. Keep him next year then if he walks as a free agent so be it. Cubs are looking to win it again next year over getting a few prospects for Arrieta
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
No the Cubs have one huge trade left in them before the system looks a little more like the royals and they need to revamp so it’ll be a closer or high end leverage reliever with some 3-4 years control, they trade for. They won’t go big on a starter, because they probably won’t need to plus the sp market next year is pretty good. Not only that they have a pretty good eye for SP talent.
ChiSoxCity
Huh? Where is this “eye for SP talent” you speak of. There aren’t any noteworthy SPs in their farm system.
With Lackey turning 38 soon (and pitching like a 38 yr old), and Arietta moving on in free agency (Cubs aren’t giving him $180MM, they will need to rebuild their rotation very soon. Trades or free agent signings for SPs should be imminent if they expect to contend beyond 2017.
virginiascopist
I wonder if the Cubs might try to trade for Zach Britton.
myaccount
Chisoxcity, I’m going to guess their “eye” he/she speaks of comes from finding diamonds in the rough such as Arrieta, who I’m sure you know only turned into a perennial Cy contender upon moving to Chicago, Hendricks, Strop, Edwards Jr., Montgomery, Wood, etc. Not hard to see how they’ve been right on young talent and revived careers of other pitchers.
chesteraarthur
in their mlb rotation. See: Arrieta, Jake and Hendricks, Kyle.
oaklandfan1
The A’s better not trade Gray for nothing, he is going to return to ace status this year. Cotton, Graveman, Gray, Manaea, and a free agent starter is a formidable rotation.
trolofson
Preach
arc89
Olney is making up the rumors on Gray. Time and time again he has been wrong on what the A’s will do. Gray will not be traded unless its a big over pay for him. The contract is nothing because the A’s are $20 million plus under budget this next season.
NineChampionsips
Gray isn’t being traded unless the other team overpays. His ceiling is basically perennial Cy Young contender and he’s got 3 yrs of club control making him an invaluable commodity.
Although I would trade him to the Red Sox if that package included Benintendi and Groome.
braves25
I feel like this is shaping up similar to last offseason with trade rumor, the Braves, and Coppy….Everyday it is the same stuff and most people say it WILL NOT happen and then….boom it did! I feel like this is going to happen, it is just a matter or when and for how much!!
bsteady powers
I can see the Cubs trading Soler, Happ, Candelario plus 1-2 good prospects for starter
stratcrowder
Thank you Houston for keeping McCann from ending his career on a loser.
MB923
Would have been a loser if he went to Atlanta as well. Also, the Yankees and Astros had identical records last year. It’s not like the Yankees were in last like the Braves.
chound
Poor Braves…
Yankees2425
Cespedes would be a great addition for the Yanks but obviously blocked by Gardner in left. Definitely need more pop in the outfield.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
Idk if he’s blocked Gardners really not that difficult to move. It’s not like he is Ellsbury huge contract.
Yankees2425
I still they value his defense and leadership skills a lot, which I agree with.
Yankees2425
I think they still value his defense and leadership skills a lot, which I agree with.
slider32
Gardner and Headley will be the next to be moved, both should get some good prospects. If Cashman can do that he could he can get whoever he wants to boost the offense, if not then they will upgrade with a DH and closer. The news points to Beltran and Chapman., not too shabby Clippard, Betances, and Chapman at the back end.
JT19
Gardner could bring back a good prospect, I doubt Headley does unless someone is desperate for him. He’s old, kind of expensive, and doesn’t bring that great of a bat.
theruns
Gardner would have value, nobody would give them much for Headley, partial salary relief and a lottery ticket.
I’m surprised there hasn’t been talk of trading Castro, who is hot garbage. Pretty sure they could find somebody on the roster to rock a 1 WAR and save them $10 million. He has to be the most overrated player in the league, somebody might be dumb enough to buy into him.
I think they make one large signing if they can ship out some $$ and still get under the tax.
halos101
i don’t think gardner is a factor in a cespedes deal. i actually think they should sign him and trade gardner. also make sure ellsbury doesn’t block judge or frazier when he gets to the big leagues
thetruth 2
31 year old on a rebuilding team who was above average at best with low walk and OBP rates until his 2 contract years? No thanks.
MB923
You’re acting as if Above Average At Best is a bad thing. Also, his BB rate was 11%, which is well above the league average at 7.8% and his OBP was .351 which isn’t Low at all and also was above league average at .314.
His AAV is also well below the QO value. He’s on a good contract and would get a good prospect back in return. (Good, not Great).
BoldyMinnesota
Holy crap did Rodriguez have one of the quietest good seasons in 2016? His ops was in the high .800
A'sfaninUK
His career BABIP is .292. His BABIP in 2016 was .344. He got lucky, he’s not that good a hitter.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
He went back to his leg kick that was taken away in the minors by the Angels but his K rate also bloated to 30% so buy with caution. One year high value to prove it wasn’t a fluke. It’s easy to say he got lucky without factoring something like a leg kick. We’ve seen numerous examples of late bloomers different approaches changing careers.
matthewalan09
SRod is a nice player. He gets used all over the diamond, shortstop, 1st, RF. Plays the game hard and will be a solid player for whoever signs him.
rmullig2
Jays need to sign Rodriguez. Then they’ll have somebody who can fight Odor.
TennVol
That got a big chuckle out of me!
aber22
Hahah that was pretty funny
wsox05
The Braves would have to include Swanson in any deal for Sale and I don’t see them doing that. I don’t see a deal with the Braves as a majority of their assets are more than a year or even two away. White Sox can get better more sure prospects from LAD or BOS or even TEX.
shadowz29r
I just don’t want to see them deal any of their top prospects. I think they really need to relax and see how some of these prospects pan out. There’s no reason to trade bunch of them at this point in the rebuild. They’re just not close enough to contending.
Drewnasty
Chris Sale is under control for 3 more years. He’s the type of pitcher of go and get no matter your situation. He’s that good.
slider32
If I’m the Braves I go get Sale, you won’t get an ace with that kind of contract in free agency Give the Sox a choice of Albies or Swanson, Newcomb and 2 lower level prospects or Inciartes. Then go and sign Fowler, Wieters, and Turner and open the new stadium as contenders.
CT
I’m soooo glad you aren’t running the Braves, that’s a terrible plan.
Acuña Matata
No they wont
coachb123
There is no such thing as a “sure” prospect and the Braves have arguably the top farm system in the league.
wsox05
You’re right but the Braves don’t have guys like Moncada, Benintendi, Urias, Bellinger, Verdugo, De Leon, Kopech, Joc and others.
Swanson and Newcomb are their only prospects that are on the verge of the majors and they don’t really have that young guy on the team already that is established.
CT
If Albies is healthy and has a good ST, he’s the Braves starting 2B for the next 6 yrs.
oldleftylong
They would not have to include Swanson, tho Chisox likely have asked. Atlanta has a boatload of viable prospects.
Gnotorious
Braves won’t need to trade Swanson. White Sox have Tim Anderson. The Braves can offer several young pitching options like Newcomb, Allard, Anderson, Soroka, and Wentz. They can also offer a couple of IF options in Albies, Demeritte and Maitan, all with out touching their current MLB roster. Chicago needs to rebuild their farm and 6 of the 9 I listed are in the top 100 according to MLB.com. If the want something from the MLB roster then most likely it would be Incarte than Swanson as they have a greater need for OF help. Something like Incarte, Albies, Allard and Soroka should get it done.
If the Braves really want to compete this year, I could see them trying for Frazier also.
A'sfaninUK
If you think you can get Sale “without touching the current roster” you are being delusional. Inciarte, minimum, goes in any deal for an ace.
Gnotorious
If you would have read the entire comment, you would have noticed I said Incarte, Albies, Allard and Soroka.
wsox05
It doesn’t matter, the White Sox want close to ready top prospects. That is Swanson and maybe Newcombe. The rest of the guys you mentioned are 2 years away making them bigger risks than guys from BOS or LAD.
The only way it happens is if the Braves empty their farm for Sale w/o Swanson.
Also it doesn’t matter what the White Sox have. They want the best talent they can get. They wouldn’t say well we have Anderson so no need for Swanson, that’s dumb.
chieftoto
Look man, Swanson WILL NOT happen. Get it out of your head. If that means no trade goes down, than no trade will go down. Swanson, Maitan, Albies are all untouchables. The question is whether the braves can convince a team to take a larger package of lesser prospects. Probably won’t happen though.
braves25
You don’t think Mallex Smith could be included instead of Inciarte? I say Smith, Albies, Wisler, Newcomb, and 1 other pitcher might get it done….or at least close. I think they can pull it off without including Inciarte….Well I hope they can get it done without including Inciarte 🙂
A'sfaninUK
Then I rescind my comment! My bad, I missed that. But you shouldn’t have said “without touching the current roster”, as Ender is part of that.
Jon429
While I agree with you on Swanson and Maitan, I’m willing to bet that Albies could be included. I’d hate to see it and I think it would be a mistake, but I can see where Coppy could be tempted if it meant getting Chris Sale. The Braves do have other guys in the pipeline that can take over second base.
Gnotorious
Albies will be up next year and pitching is king right now. It does happen without Swanson. I may be dumb but your pretty delusional in thinking every team isn’t looking for young pitching. I am sure that if LA offered Urias, De Leon, Pederson ect, or if Boston offered Moncada, Benintendi, Devers ect, that they would take those deals over the braves deal but there is no indication that either team would part with those guys.
My proposal is pretty close to what they have said they are looking for. MLB player in Incarte, Top prospect in Albies (#12), and 2 more top 100 prospects in Allard (60) and Soroka (90).
A'sfaninUK
Mallex Smith has barely any trade value. Ender has a lot.
A'sfaninUK
Look man, Sale WILL NOT happen. Get it out of your head. The Braves and White Sox simply are not a good match, Chicago can get an elite young Swanson-y player from another team. Why would they take a lesser package from ATL?
Jon429
I would be surprised if they traded Inciarte. I really think the reason the Braves are pushing so hard for Sale, aside from the new ballpark, is because of the offensive surge they had in the last 2 months of the season. Inciarte’s bat at leadoff was instrumental in that so taking that away you’d have to ask yourself is getting Chris Sale worth giving up so much talent right now?
Bruin1012
The Red Sox are not trading Moncada, Benintendi, Devers for Sale or anyone. I think DD will kick the tires on a Sale or some other pitcher at the trade deadline. Nintendo is going nowhere I’m sure of that the Red Sox love him. He is a high contact low strikeout guy with ISO numbers those type of guys tend to translate very well in the big leagues. At this point it seems that the White Sox are not trading Sale for anything short of a Kings ransom maybe someone will blink but I doubt it. Quality prospects are just to valuable nowadays I would argue they have never had more value there is no deal for Sale getting done I have become convinced of that.
A'sfaninUK
You definitely take Sale over Inciarte no matter what Ender does. Sale is one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball. Ender is a good OF, there’s plenty of those, and even one in-house option in Mallex Smith, who all White Sox fans on here mysteriously want to trade.
A'sfaninUK
“Nintendo is going nowhere I’m sure of that the Red Sox love him.”
Oakland A’s fans said the exact same of Addison Russell. No one can predict trades, and no trade is universally liked by fans by the onset. Benintendi is as likely to be traded as anyone.
Jon429
If there’s plenty of good OF out there then why are so many teams looking for one?
Bruin1012
Let me restate if the White Sox said we want Benintendi and are willing to trade Sale then yes the Red Sox are going to trade him. They aren’t trading Benintendi as part of a massive haul. He isn’t going anywhere he will be the starting left fielder for Boston next year unless JBJ is moved then he will be the starting center fielder.
Bruin1012
In other words the Red Sox would have to blown away to trade Benintendi.
Bruin1012
The Braves fans are probably right about Swanson as well if the White Sox insist on Swanson in the deal it ain’t happening. They aren’t trading Swanson as part of a massive haul.
braves28
Sale > Inciarte, but it’s not as much of a landslide as you may think. Inciarte is younger, with more team control, an elite CF defender, and a dynamic table setter at the top of the order. Those are just the peripherals. The actual stats show him to be the 9th ranked (tied) OF in terms of WAR in 2015, and he was the #13 among all OF in 2016 even after missing a month with an injury and starting off cold. So, while Sale is singularly more valuable and closer to the top of his position group, Endar isn’t a simple run-of-the-mill outfielder either.
Also from the Braves standpoint. .Sale doesn’t add a lot of value if Inciarte is not on the team. Endar was a huge part of their success down the stretch when they went 30-20 He created RBI opportunities for Freddie Freeman and Matt Kemp behind him (not to mention saving a few games with his defense).. While Sale would be a huge upgrade to the Staff, losing Endar would be a big hit to the offense. A team that only won 68 games in 2016 isn’t going to make a 15 game leap by adding a star pitching while also subtracting one of their best every day pieces.
chound
Swanson isn’t going anywhere and for obvious reasons but J.A.F. is probably right, Inciarte is probably a must include to get a deal done. I’m sure the Branves try to push the deal with Mallex, Wisler and Blair as the MLB ready talent in the deal but that would require a Dave Stewart type of ineptness on the other end to pull off.
Steven P.
If you claim Swanson, Albies and Maitan are untouchable I am hanging up the phone as the White Sox GM
Zero chance of a deal if they are off the table
Jon429
Pretty sure the Braves would trade Albies for Sale. Swanson and Maitan, probably not.
stymeedone
Its not which teams have the most prospects, its the team that is willing to move those prospects. Atlanta seems willing at the moment. How willing is the question.
braves28
I disagree. Swanson isn’t going anywhere, but CWS probably might ask for Ozzie Albies to go with the young short stop they already have. Inciarte is another possibility. As a Braves fan I’d definitely say no to Inciarte. If we make a push for Sale then there is suddenly a focus to win now, and you don’t win now by trading away one of your most valuable major league pieces when you didn’t even win 70 games last season.
I would think (hope) the Braves would want to work a deal involving their plethora of pitching prospects. I’d still be hesitant to do that for Sale though. This team is more than 1 big piece away from being a top contender. Even if they got Sale now and some other young guys develop. It’s 2018 at the earliest before the team is in contention and then you’re really just buying 2 years of Sale and paying a premium to do it.
chound
Knowing the Braves system well, I’d want Wisler, Newcomb, Soroka, and Inciarte, plus a few lower level guys. Soroka is a damn gem and three of these guys will be on the MLB roster this year. To me, that’s an overpay as it stands but if Sale were my player, it’s what I”d be happy with in return.
Jon429
Trading Inciarte will highly depend on how the Braves view Mallex Smith. It also creates a real dilemma should Mallex not perform or get injured again as the Braves don’t have any good center field options at that level (or even close to that level). Obviously I don’t know how they view Mallex, but I can guess they don’t want to be dependent on him having a good year right after they dump the farm to get Chris Sale.
I honestly think it would kill the deal. As braves28 said adding Sale but subtracting a key offensive piece isn’t going to get the Braves to the needed number of wins to suddenly compete.
shoeless37
Here’s my Armchair trade proposal: Sox trade Sale & Hawkins. Braves trade Albies, Newcomb, Maitan,Riley & Weigel.
Braves get their Ace for the next 3yrs on the cheap, they get a former #1 pick in Hawkins who has a ton of offense potential & needs a change of scenery & coaching.
Sox get a SP they can slot into the rotation once he’s ready. They get their starting 2b of the future, let him work his way up thru the minors until he pushes your hand. Maitan is the gem in this deal, 5 tool player that has talent oozing out of him. Riley is a young 3b w/some hit skills that could be a nice piece down the road. Weigel could be slotted in the 4th or 5th spot of the rotation or long relief.
I’m in the camp that the Braves will not give up Swanson & I believe there’s plenty of top end talent to make this deal happen. Inciarte would be a nice piece, but unlikely the Braves will weaken their MLB team.
cxcx
I like the Rangers as a partner for Gray. Gallo is sort of in the same boat as Gray in that his value was sky high pretty recently but way lower now. The trade works though because if you say to one side, well you’re getting someone whose value is down that team can respond, well we’re trading away someone whose value is down, too. Several more pieces, possibly very good ones, would need to be sent to the A’s in any deal.
A'sfaninUK
If Profar is in the package for Gray, the A’s won’t be hanging up the phone. Gallo? They already have Matt Chapman, who has light tower power and is better with the glove at 3B than Gallo. Healy is probably the long-ish term 1B if he doesn’t get figured out, so where would Gallo play?
stymeedone
Why would the A’s focus on Profar? 3 yrs left (rather than 6) before FA, and history of spending time on the DL. If last year is an indication of what to expect post-injury, he is no longer anything special.
A'sfaninUK
Because he’s better than any current INF they have? Cmon, have you seen who they currently have at 2B? Joey “AAAA scrub/.600 OPS” Wendle aka no one.
I also said “in the package for Gray” meaning there’s many other pieces coming back other than Profar. Gallo doesn’t fit them as well as Profar does, and his ceiling is still pretty high.
“If last year is an indication of what to expect post-injury, he is no longer anything special.” – its absolutely no indication whatsoever. No one comes back from where he’s been direct to elite level.
slider32
Cots has the Yankee payroll obligations at 132 for 2017, so I see the Yanks going after 2 big bats. EE and Turner along with Chapman would make the a contender with young prospects on the way.Turner is signed only if they move Gardner and Headley. If Cashman can do that the reload is complete.
dobsonel
Actually they are at about $153 give or take. Cots hasn’t yet factored in the arbitration salaries. If you use MLBTR projections and take out Ackley ane Eovaldi (both of whom I believe the Yanks will non tender) then they are at about $153. If they sign Chapmen then they are at about $171. That leave barely enough for 1 big bat unless the tax ceiling goes up… but even then it might not go up enough to make room for two bats.
dobsonel
EE could be nice, especially concidering he can play first while they ease Bird back in, but I don’t see them going after Turner or Cespedes. They would require too many years and that would be two guys blocking their young outfielders (Ellsbury and either Turner of Cespedes).
The Yanks have Judge, Frazier, and Rutherford all lookng to get to the bigs with the next 2 to 3 seasons. A five year contract to Turner or Cespedes would hinder two of those guys.
ducksnort69
Smyly does not have great value. Still want him traded, but I do not expect much in return. Also, not exactly confident in the Rays ability to value talent in trades. The misses have overshadowed the hits.
matthewalan09
I agree he doesnt have “great” value (smyly) but as a young controllable lefty-starter, he has a good amount of value and most teams would agree. Me thinks.
matthewalan09
Trade proposal. Cubs and Rays Victor Caratini (C), Jeimer Candelario (3rd), and Ian Happ (2nd-OF, recent 1st rd pick, advanced switch hitter) Possibly add in Soler too. If necessary.
For Chris Archer.
May even be a bit too much for Archer. Not sure where Candelario would fit unless the Rays trade Longoria which is possible if the Dodgers lose Turner.
Do the cubs have to add a lower level pitching prospect (only a few for chicago in the system currently that i can think of)
Rays need depth at catcher and with guys like Brent Honeywell in the pipeline and more on the way, as usual.
Or if the dodgers were to offer DeLeon, verdugo, ++. Which deal makes more sense for the Rays. Or is there another team with ample prospects like Boston that could creep in?
therealryan
That Cubs package won’t get Archer. I honestly don’t think the Cubs have the right mix of prospects to pull an Archer trade. I think if the Rays move him, they’ll be looking for a high end pitcher and position player as the headliners. Atlanta has Albies and Newcomb, Washington has Robles and Giolito/Lopez, Dodgers have Bellinger and De Leon. These teams would still need to add more, but these are the type of dual headliners that it would take to start the Archer conversation. I mean the Cubs could start with Happ and Eloy but I just think they may have to add a decent amount still.
bravesguru
I could see Ender Inciarte, Matt Wisler, Williams Perez, Zachery Bird, and Kyle Kubitza for Chris Sale and James Shields or Frazier.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
And I can see multiple teams destroying that offer. The white Soxs need legitimate bats not so much pitchers. That’s no brave centric it doesn’t make sense. Red Soxs add Benitendi, Dodgers add Urias beats packages the braves can throw out unless they are willing to add Swanson. The braves lack elite prospects the White Soxs would be looking for. They do have depth in their system.
chitownsox11
Completely agree. The White Sox are not trading Sale without some premium talent coming back. If you are truly trying to acquire Sale, no prospect can be off limits. The Sox are looking for impact bats. Swanson is the only one in the Braves system. Albeis is a pretty good player, but not an impact bat.
The Sox are in the drivers seat in this situation. People act like their team is the only one in on Sale. Every MLB team could use him as a pitcher, and easily afford the contract. If he is traded it will be for a haul.
Heck, they could wait until the 2019 trade deadline and trade him (like Chapman) and get a top 20 prospect plus back.
Below Says it all: Someone will pay the price for Sale if they truly want him
Salaries the next 3 seasons:
Kershaw $105.5 mil
Grienke $102.5 mil
Price $90 mil
Chris Sale —- > $38 mil
Bruin1012
I think every team wants Sale I just think they aren’t willing to pay the freight that it appears the White Sox want.
chitownsox11
It is not even December yet. No way anyone has given their best and final offers.
Jon429
As a Braves fan I can only hope they demand the entire Braves top 10 and select prospects from the 10-20 range so we can finally move on and forget all this nonsense. I swear all of these rumors make me think it’s 2007 and John Schuerholz is still the GM.
Bruin1012
I know that you think this crazy offer is coming through for Sale but I think the reason there is so much news from the Braves is that they are probably the only one that is serious about adding him. I still say that you will be shocked by what the return is for Sale maybe I will be wrong but I don’t think the Dodgers are trading Urias and the Red Sox aren’t trading Benintendi and Moncada. I think this is why some other teams are getting in the mix. The Rangers are a team that might meet the White Sox asking price but I just don’t see Boston or LA doing it. Gutting your farm system for one guy is just not a smart idea. I really think that other GM’s are leary of his mechanics and think he has a higher than average risk of injury and that is factoring into teams decisions.
matthewalan09
And considering he is so cheap ANY team,including the smaller markets, could afford him. Which makes his price even higher due to simple economics.
It’s upsetting to see such a great talent go to waste on the south side. Hes been a great teamate and leader in the clubhouse, but even he has to be getting tired of playing in front of no fans and on a crap team.
Send him to the North Side, I say!
chitownsox11
Think about what you just said ,the Atlanta Braves are the only MLB team that is serious about adding Sale. If you truly believe that I do not know what to say.
Please name a recent top pitcher that was traded that brought back an underwhelming return?
The Red Sox just traded a top 15 prospect for Drew Pomeranz.
And I would be more than happy to go into next season with Sale, Quintana, and Rodon at the top.
Bruin1012
Maybe I need to clarify what I mean by the Braves seem to be the only team serious right now.
I think every team is serious about adding Sale for the right price and I am quite sure every team has looked into getting Sale but, and I am using the Red Sox as an example because I know there system better than anybody elses, I am quite sure if the Red Sox were willing to trade Moncada and Benintendi then the deal would be done right now. I am equally sure that if the Dodgers were willing to trade Urias then that would be done deal as well. The point I’m trying to make is I don’t think you are going to see a 5 for 1 trade with high quality pieces. I will be the first person to say you were right if ultimately the Red Sox trade Moncada and Benintendi for Sale but its not gonna happen.
If I was a White Sox fan I would be more than happy to go into the season with those three. I have said before if the White Sox can find a way into the post season then they would be scary with that rotation.
I think they do hold on to Sale and Q at least until the trade deadline and see where they are at.
bravesguru
I am thinking of a deal between the Rays and the Braves. Atlanta sends superstar LH centerfielder Ender Inciarte, Top 100 prospect SH infielder Ozzie Albies (#4 in MiLB in 2016), and 2016 #3 overall draft choice and top 100 MLB prospect Ian Anderson to Tampa for 3b Evan Longoria, OF Steve Souza, and LHP Drew Smyly.
ducksnort69
I take it you must live in Colorado or WA, cause seems like you’re smoking something good.
Priggs89
Sooooo we’re to the point where we’re calling Inciarte a superstar now? Got it
MrAnderson1018
Dbacks should get Gray. His 5.69 era is an upgrade over Shelby Miller
atlbarves420
The Braves should trade Swanson to the Rays for Archer, straight up, then flip Archer in a package to the White Sox along with Albies, Tehran, Inciarte and Freeman for Sale, Abreu, Eaton and Melky. That way the Braves keep all of their young arms and get better both in the rotation and offensively.
blazinventura
Uuuummm…. No
atlbarves420
It’s the smart thing to do.