We’ve long heard chatter about a possible reunion between Yankees catcher Brian McCann and the Braves, and MLB.com’s Mark Bowman provides some hints about where things stand. New York has asked for righty Mike Foltynewicz or center fielder Ender Inciarte to part with the veteran receiver, which certainly sounds like a non-starter from here. An arrangement could yet make sense, Bowman writes, but Atlanta won’t include either of those two players.
Here are a few more notes from around the game:
- Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch takes a long look at the question of whether the Cardinals can mimic some of the Indians’ success in finding a top-notch relief pitcher to throw in a flexible capacity, as Andrew Miller has done for Cleveland. Goold wonders whether either Trevor Rosenthal or Michael Wacha might be positioned to function in the role that he dubs the “fixer.”
- Indians righty Danny Salazar may not just be a part of the World Series roster; he may be able to start. Manager Terry Francona wouldn’t rule out that possibility to reporters including Paul Hoynes of the Plain Dealer. Francona has cast doubt previously on Salazar returning at all, noting that he had yet to throw at full capacity; this time, though, he says the prized righty was able to ramp up his arm speed and “threw the ball really well.” A three-inning sim game this weekend may decide Salazar’s postseason fate.
- The Padres are still finding cause to hope that righty Colin Rea can stave off Tommy John surgery, which he has sought to do through a combination of platelet-rich plasma treatment and rehab/rest. As AJ Cassavell of MLB.com tweets, the team is deciding just how to give him some postseason pitching work to help make a final decision. Rea could appear in the Arizona Fall League, take part in live BP, or even head out for a partial winter ball run. Regardless, Rea is set to throw competitively in about three weeks’ time.
bravesfansince98
We don’t need Brian McCann’s washed up ass fr
Thronson5
Is that anyway to talk about a guy that did a hell of a lot when he wore the Braves uniform? Is he near the end of his career? I absolutely think he is! I think he can still help a team with some power off the bench and that’s about all he is useful for at this point of his career but I still don’t think any Braves fans should be saying they don’t want his “washed up ass” after the really good seasons he had there.
Gogerty
Agreed, life long Braves fan and would have no problem seeing him finish his career where it started. I do agree the Yanks asking price is absurd for a player that is blocking a young stud. I think NYY is posturing before eventually coming down in the price they know they will end up getting, or in their case paying on McCann’s contract. Just goes to show how overbidding everyone else can come back to bite you.
vacommish
I’d take Norris for that reason – buying low on a decent C.
bravesfansince98
Dude if the braves actually wanna get better starting pitchers we don’t need to waste 20mil for a guy that will hit .230 a year
hanks1hammer
Why are you posting stats like anyone disagrees with THAT? It’s your attitude that isn’t appreciated. You should have more respect for a player that gave a lot of good years to the Braves. You could express that same thought with more class.
Ace of Spades
I just see zero reason the braves would want McCann. Continue the rebuild through and through. Teams get too anxious in rebuilds, but the longer you wait, the better you will be
baseballfanforever
But if it doesn’t affect the rebuild why not? The Braves have the most overloaded minor league system in baseball. Not all of these guys are going to make it so why not trade away some surplus to improve the team? The Braves are looking to field a good team in 2017. I think we should let them 😉
RunDMC
I have never seen “overloaded minor league system” uttered. Thank you for that. Unless you have can’t-miss prospects, which ATL has very few high floor prospects, then you need to have more options when many of those aren’t successful. While I appreciate what McCann has meant to the franchise, NYY is not giving him away and we need someone that can catch more games that what McCann would give us (even with Flowers), not to mention bringing a competent bat. We’ve gotten away from the high strikeout teams. McCann was breaking down towards the end of his time with ATL, and he hasn’t gotten any younger. Bring him back in the NL and that will continue to decline most likely at a more rapid pace than if he were C/DH/1B in NYY or another AL club. McCann is not the option.
beauvandertulip
Ender Inciarte for a guy with a barely .700 ops for the last two seasons? What are the Yankees drunk?
davidcoonce74
Well, it can’t hurt to ask? But no. I don’t quite understand why the Braves are so hell-bent on getting a “veteran catcher” but I guess they are. It would seem like Derek Norris or Stephen Vogt are available and it wouldn’t take much to pry Norris loose. Or maybe Carlos Ruiz?
aggee10
They can have Ryan hanigan for free lol
Billings 2
I’m sure the Cubs would trade Montero in a heartbeat
hanks1hammer
What makes you think the Braves are hell-bent? Because so many media sources are restating the same line that can’t possibly be confirmed? The Braves have already turned down trading just one of Inciarte and Foltynewicz.
I think we’re going to see a long, slow burn on this. The Braves will let everyone over bid on this year’s slender catching market and they will piece something together with what they have and what’s left.
patburn
surprised they didn’t ask them to throw in Swanson as well
therealryan
Over the past two seasons, there are 25 catchers with at least 600 PA. McCann’s .752 OPS ranks 6th. Which, ironically is also higher than Inciarte’s .739 OPS over that span.
southi
Your not even looking at the context of anything, just the surface. Inciarte is an elite defender in centerfield (who has exhibited that he can play any outfield position with even a cannon arm from right). Inciarte is also young, cheap, controllable and not even reached what is considered by most the prime years of a baseball player. Those factors generally translates into a high demand player.
McCann is past prime age, declining, coming off one of his more poor seasons (and has been poor for the majority of his last few seasons). He is also expensive with few years of control left. That generally translates into a player most teams don’t want. Just remember that McCann just recently passed through waivers and not even ONE team claimed him.
Look I’ve been a fan of McCann for a long time (even when he was a kid) but the fact is that Bmac just doesn’t have the value that some think he does and comparing ops of a slow hit first older expensive catcher (who spent 32 games at DH) to a young defensive whiz centerfielder who is cheap and controllable is not comparing apples to apples. ESPECIALLY when you even realize you are talking about a mere 0.13 difference in OPS (that would probably lean towards Inciarte’s favor once park factors are included).. You may not even realize that 6 of McCann’s homers (according to ESPN homerun tracker) would not even had been homeruns if they had been hit in Atlanta. Brian has had a truly great career. I’m not opposed to him being acquired by the Braves, but I don’t think he should be a first option for the team, and I definitely think he should only be acquired if the Braves don’t have to give up a major league ready player or even a top 20 prospect.
If the Braves and the Yankees don’t work something out then I perfectly fine with that, I’ve got enough good memories of McCann that I don’t need to add a bad one.
baseballfanforever
It seems to me that McCann is waaaay overvalued by the Yankees. If anything they should just dump salary when you look at the big picture. The Braves would be doing them a favor by trading scrubs to take on his contract. I think McCann was a great player and I loved him as a Brave but his time has passed and he would only be used for a year or two, if that, until the Braves can come up with a better option. He is servicable but barely. If they acquire him that means the Braves will have two old and slow players. Maybe it would be better to go with someone younger and cheaper even if he doesn’t have the offensive credentials and trade for more offense at 3B or the outfield. The main thing at catcher is defense and throwing out runners. This young pitching staff needs it.
pinballwizard1969
@ BravesFanForever, you can’t be serious. .
slider32
Maybe by Yankee fans but not by Cashman and the Yanks, the GMs today shop these pl.ayers around and know exactly what they can get for them. On the other side GMs know exactly what they want for players. The variable is always how the player is going to play in the future which is always unknown.
Deke
Hey Southi, how do you figure if a home run would be a home run in another park? Can you overlay another park or do you estimate based on distance.
It would be super cool if someone developed a way to calculate HRs based on park factors that included things like air quality (Denver vs SF). Would really help teams assess the production a player might have if they acquired them.
southi
Yes the ESPN home run tracker has an overlay tool that does exactly that. It shows the map over the placement of all homeruns by each player in the majors. It has several features. It is one of the coolest baseball tools I’ve found recently.
hittrackeronline.com/index.php
By the way I know that Atlanta is changing stadiums next season, I was just using the home run illustration to easily show the difference in their home playing fields.
I also would not be surprised if all (or at least most) teams have their own formulas/programs that measure all sorts of park factors and such for each park and their affect on players. There are also several park factor lists on the internet that give raw numbers.
Michael Macaulay-Birks
It’s October, the Yankees are shooting for the moon, they’ll come back down to earth
stymeedone
If that is what the Yankees are asking for, the question becomes how much of McCann’s contract is Atlanta asking them to eat?
Dookie Howser, MD
All of it and extra cash on top? McCann has negative net trade value, the yankee counter is crazy
slider32
That’s what the Mets said about Murphy! McCann is a big upgrade for the Braves it’s all about the money. Where theirs smoke theirs fire,
chop
I read Bowman’s article…there were no hints.
Personally, while I love McCann, I don’t think he’s the answer. If the Braves can’t find the right fit, they should just stand pat with Flowers and Recker until they do. They’re both solid options to play gap filler until we do get the right person.
baseballfanforever
I really think the Braves don’t have a choice but to acquire a catcher. I disagree completely. Flowers threw out 3 runners out of 63. That has to be the worst in baseball. Recker wasn’t that great either at throwing out runners at 22% (below league average) and frankly his offense is likely slide since he has a lifetime batting average of .200 in 8 seasons. So what does that leave the team? They really need someone who can cut down the running game to make things easier on this young staff. Clearly they won’t have a choice to use these guys as a stop gap if they can’t get someone in the off season but I think it’s imperative they get someone from day 1 since there are more options until then.
Deke
Interesting stats. I don’t really have an opinion on McCann but to add to what you said, a veteran behind the plate is super important with a young staff.
crazysull
Cubs ain’t dealing Montero with Ross retiring
MatthewBaltimore23
They could if they can get Schwarber and Contreras to catch in 2017.
halos101
they easily could with contreras
tim815
Depends on the return.
pinballwizard1969
There is no urgency or need to trade McCann for anything less than what Cashman and the Yankees are looking for. He’s more valuable in 2017 as the primary DH and backup catcher than some low level throw ins the Braves might want to get rid of in a trade especially when the Braves what the Yankees to pick up some of his salary.
Gogerty
If that is the attitude of the Yankee fan base, I am sure both fan bases will agree a trade will never happen.
pinballwizard1969
I don’t know if it’s the attitude of the “Yankees” fan base or not. No more so than I know if the comment of person posting under “Dookie Howsie” is representative of all Braves fans. But it is my feeling and for the record like I said I just don’t see a need or urgency for the Yankees to trade McCann this winter.
Deke
Except the fans don’t decide the trades. Teams do and they do so thinking about probably 1000 more things than we can consider and simplify on this site. They have the benefit of so much information that we don’t have even with all these stat sites because they scout people to death and look at a player that might not look great to us, but their coaching staff could see something in someone’s swing and believe they can fix it.
Deke
That was @Gogerty, not the Wiz. “Nobody beats the Wiz”
slider32
There are some good reasons the Braves want McCann, he would help their young pitching staff, he would be an upgrade in the middle of their line up, and he has a term contract. The Yankees will have to pay down his contract about 5 mill a year to get some pitching. Prospects like Fried, Anderson, and Muller.
Jon429
Trade their #1 draft pick Anderson? Or is there some other Anderson in the minors I don’t know about? If not then heck no. Sorry but McCann won’t net blue-chip prospects, the Braves shouldn’t be that desperate. You also have to consider McCann’s no trade clause and possibly the fact that he’ll also demand his 2019 option get picked up, which would probably be a deal breaker for Atlanta.
slider32
Maybe not but prospects get GMs fired, most never pan out. The Braves are one of the worst teams in baseball with a lot of pitching prospects. They obtained Kemp and finished the year well, 15-10 I think. They are moving into a new stadium and should be thinking about improving their team with established players that can help them have a competitive team. McCann would be a step in that direction. I’m sure McCann could start for a contender next year, he’s better that what the Nats or Cubs will have starting and they might be in the world series, if not the Braves he will get traded to someone else.
chesteraarthur
“he’s better that what the Nats or Cubs will have starting and they might be in the world series,”
If you mean this year, he has been worse than both ross and contreras. If you mean next year, I’ll take Contreras over him as well
JamieMoyer 4
Not to mention that Ramos also had a much better year than McCann and the fact that the Nats do not in fact have much of a shot of making the World Series considering that they were, you know, eliminated in the division series.
bravesfansince98
Y’all must be retarded
pinballwizard1969
Personally I think all fans tend to over state the value of their own teams prospects and that seems to be more evident than ever with several of Braves fans comments above. I understand “prospect hugging” as it’s been referred to and maybe asking for both Inciarte and Foltynewicz was a bit of shooting for the sky. But the Braves asking for and expecting the Yankees to pick up at least half of McCann’s salary and only offering one or 2 low lever prospects is insane.
Like I said previously McCann has more value to the Yankees under those conditions than trading him. Remember there other “fish in the sea” or if you prefer other teams that are in need of catching help for 2017 the Nationals just to name one.
The Yankees can afford to wait on McCann if it suites their need, the question is can the Braves when they are moving into a new ballpark and need a draw or reason for fans to come out and see them after 2 or 3 very bad seasons.
rocky7
Good reply pinballwizard1969!
Why wouldn’t the Yankees ask for the moon in a trade for McCann? And, yes there are a few teams out there that would like to see his veteran leadership behind the plate, and be happy with his offense at this time of his career.
The only reason they would probably want Inciarte would be to flip him in a trade for pitching as they have players that exhibit the same elite centerfield defense and can at least duplicate his offense.
As far as the comments by Atlanta fans regarding all these Atlanta farm hands ready to storm the majors….good for them, but as most teams have learned, there is a big difference between any minor league level and consistent major league contribution.l
pinballwizard1969
Absolutely, “there is a big difference between any minor league level and consistent major league contribution”. And thank you.
dwhitt3
It says Folty OR Inciarte. Not both
southi
actually dwhitt3 the original article (that first mentioned Folty and Inciarte tied to McCann) was some time ago by Heyman and it was taken down just a few hours later. It very clearly said both.
To be honest at the time (which was before Sanchez’s big breakout) it very well may have been the Yankees way of saying no you can’t have McCann right now (but then they put him on waivers not long afterwards so maybe I’m reading more into it than there was and the Yanks truly countered with that deal killer).
stonepie 3
doesn’t have to be just mccann for ender straight up. yankees can throw someone else in to even it out. I’d also be wary of overpaying for ender. yes hes a great defender but he’s a league average hitter. Players who aren’t great offensively yet rely on defense and speed tend to age poorly.
pinballwizard1969
Left handed Outfielders are almost the very last need for the Yankees they have more than you can shake a stick out. Young cost controlled starting pitching is what the Yankees are primarily looking for in a trade with upside. I’m not talking about an ace or even a front line starter a middle of the rotation starter would be sufficient.
baseballfanforever
However… Which is the real Ender Inciarte: the one who batted .291 and had a .732 OPS to end the season, or the one who batted .341 with a .836 OPS in the second half? I feel he is likely someone who is in between. I think he can bat .300-.320 and have an OPS around .760-.780. He has that kind of swing and he has speed to run out bunts and slow rollers for hits. You have to figure that he has the potential since he hit .303 in Arizona for a full season and he came to Atlanta and hit slowly but still ended up at .291. Now that he has settled in maybe he will have a great season at the new stadium.
I think the potential for a trade has everything to do with salary. There’s no way to even things out with throwing in another player . The fact remains: Too much salary. I think the Yankees will come down to earth eventually once they see there isn’t much trade value. They would be foolish to keep McCann even to play DH since there are younger options and there is always the risk that McCann will regress. He is playing like he is 39 given that 3 out of the last 5 seasons he batted around .230.
pinballwizard1969
BravesFanForever, just to set the record straight. none of the players the Yankees traded at the trade deadline were traded to cut payroll. They were traded to get prospects that could help the team in both 2017 and beyond. In my opinion they accomplished that.
Trading McCann isn’t going to be because they want to “dump salary” the Yankees are not the Braves or Rays in that respect. As for McCann holding up a younger Yankee from making the team or a significant contribution that’s folly. The ONLY reason to move McCann this winter is if the Yankees get a player they believe they want moving his salary has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he’s traded.
slider32
Agreed, Cashman has been trying to move both McCann and Gardner for some time now, I am sure he knows what the market is for those players. Things can change wih free agency over the winter depending on who signs players like Wieters and Ramos. They are on contending teams.
Deke
Do they think the new park will be more hitter friendly or pitcher friendly? I know you never know until it’s built and you hit in it. But what’s the current feeling/idea?
dust44
McCann and Headley for Rio Ruiz a B pitching prospect a low level kid and maybe a hurt reliever like Paco Rodriguez?
bernbabybern
Inciarte, because we need a third lefthanded speedy outfielder with little power and a low .700’s ops.
JT19
The Yankees initial asking price is obviously a bit much, but it doesn’t hurt to ask…just look at the Miller trade. I doubt Dave Stewart gave the first offer of Swanson, Inciarte, Blair…most likely the Braves asked for that and Stewart said “Sure, what the hell, I enjoy overpaying for things.” While McCann is obviously not nearly as valuable/good as he used to be, to expect the Yankees to pick up half (or more) of the contract with at least one decent looking prospect coming back is reasonable. Especially considering the Braves uninspiring options currently at catcher. If a deal gets done, it will be either the Braves taking on most of the contract with maybe a young, raw prospect or two that probably wouldn’t contribute at a significan level for a while going to New York or the Yankees eat most of the contract and get a prospect in the range 10-20 organizational prospect ranking or another prospect who is blocked and isn’t necessarily in the long term plans of the Braves.
bernbabybern
I’m pretty sure the Yankees won’t want to pay down the contract to less than 12-13 mil/year, and frankly that’s pretty inexpensive for a catcher with above average offense (for a catcher).
pinballwizard1969
I agree, I think the Yankees would be willing to eat about $5MM per if they get a decent prospect back otherwise he isn’t going anywhere.
Jon429
+1 to this, pretty much the most logical comment I’ve seen so far on here.
pinballwizard1969
Just to change the subject for a minute from McCann. In my opinion Brett Gardner is the Yankee OF’er that is most likely to be traded this winter. The Yankees have several in house options that can replace Gardner immediately and long term, Mason Williams and Clint Frazier just to name 2.
Again just my opinion but a package of say Gardner and Austin Romine and maybe another young prospect like Drew Finley would be enough to land a cost controlled, quality middle of the rotation starter. I’m not talking about an ace or front line starter. As I said just my opinion.
bernbabybern
Gardner is very tradeable but you can’t assume Williams will succeed and Frazier needs some time in AAA. I would prefer to hang on to Gardner until he is pushed out unless he is really needed to land a starting pitcher. I’d actually prefer to dump Ellsbury but I know Cashman is not a magician.
pinballwizard1969
I’m not assuming Williams will succeed. When he’s been healthy Williams has been more than decent at holding down the fort until Frazier will be ready and let’s not forget Dustin Fowler isn’t that far away from being ready either. Also don’t forget Aaron Hicks he started out slow when when he started getting more and regular playing time he looked very good. Like I said there is no shortage to take over for Gardner if he’s traded.
Sure Ellsbury would probably be every Yankees fan 1st choice to go but that’s got about as much chance of happening in 2017 as “pigs flying”.
chesteraarthur
doubt that gets your a cost controlled middle starter with any amount of team control. Maybe a rental. For reference look at what the giants just gave up to get someone like Matt Moore.
pinballwizard1969
It only takes 1 GM that has a need to make the deal happen. My guess is Gardner will be traded this winter so we might just see what some team is willing to give up.
chesteraarthur
betting on “just 1 gm wanting to do it” is still…doubtful, wouldn’t you agree? You need to find 1 gm that has a controlled quality morp, with a need in the of, and who likes Romine. How many teams does that leave?
slider32
I would look to the Astros, D-Backs, Angels, or Phillies for a trade for Gardner. They are all near the bottom in leftfield WAR
pinballwizard1969
Well Billy Eppler the Angels GM is obviously very familiar with Gardner and other Yankees in their system. The question would be what do the Angels have to offer the Yankees if they want to make that trade?
cj1020
I’m just laughing at all the braves fans butt hurt about the Yankees asking price. When they were the same fans that wanted a teams top 7 prospects for Julio Teheran
chesteraarthur
It is rather funny to see the quick turn from “prospects are unproven” to “don’t surrender our ‘blue chip’ (apparently used as a very, very liberal term here) prospects for proven mlb players”
BoldyMinnesota
The thing is though that Teheran is good, while McCann is probably only mediocre
pinballwizard1969
A GM or teams executive that doesn’t aim high in a trade isn’t doing his job it’s that simple.
Jon429
I knew someone was going to bring up JT. Before I go and say it’s comparing apples to oranges I’ll ask that you do understand the difference right? Do I really need to point out the age difference? The contract difference? The durability? The lack of quality SP? The concept of proven and young as opposed to proven yet on the decline? I know it’s funny to see Braves fans complaining about another teams asking price, but this situation is nowhere near the same as the JT-trade speculation from last June-July.
pinballwizard1969
I apologize for again changing the subject and like I posted previously I understand fans being “prospect huggers” so if you will allow me. Here are my 4 favorite Yankees prospects that I am most anxious to see in pinstripes for the 2018 season. Not in order: Justus Sheffield, James Kaprielian, Miguel Andujar and Gleyber Torres. I think all 4 of these players have the “potential” to be be difference makers.
I’ve not included: Clint Frazier or Chance Adams because I expect to see them in pinstripes sometime in 2017.
slider32
Yes, Torres and Andujar are ripping up the AFL right now, but Frazier is a little close to being a major league player. It could well be that the players you named along with Mateo are better than Sanchez or Judge down the road. Cashman wants to remain competitive for the playoffs until 19 when you will see them back as a top contender. Many top free agents available that year and Yanks will have most of the dead money off the books.
pinballwizard1969
Don’t be surprised if the Yankees are top contenders in 2018. I think you are selling Sanchez short and don’t forget Bird. Both are going to be huge shots in the arm to the Yankees roster and offense in 2017 and beyond.
For the record I think Mateo has been a little over hyped I’m not sure at all that he will live up to fans expectations.
teufelshunde4
Just dont see Yank’s having that quick a rebound..
slider32
If Babe Ruth played today would he pitch and be the DH, that’s what I want to see. The best player in Japan right now is Shohei Ohtani he pitches and throw 100 mph and also hits, he could be the answer for the Yanks. He is 26.
pinballwizard1969
@ Slider if you are interested here is my take on a possible 2018 Yankees Roster:
Potential 2018 Yankees Lineup and Roster from current players or Yankees prospects ONLY !
Starting Infield:
1st Base: Gary Bird
2nd Base: Gleyber Torres
SS: Didi Gregorius
3rd Base: Miguel Andujar
Catcher: Gary Sanchez
DH: Kyle Higashioka (plus backup catcher)
Starting Outfield:
LF: Dustin Fowler
CF: Clint Frazier
RF: Aaron Judge
Starting Pitching:
Masahiro Tanaka
Justus Sheffield
James Kaprielian
Chance Adams
Jordan Montgomery
Bullpen Pitchers, in no specific order:
Dellin Betances
Luis Severino
Bryan Mitchell
J.P. Feyereisen
Dietrich Enns
Jacoby Lindgren
Jonathan Holder
Bench:
Tyler Austin
Mason Williams
Ronald Torreyes
Aaron Hicks
As I mentioned to start out this is based solely on the Yankees players on the roster now or in their minor league system. NO free agents are included.
slider32
Wizzard , I like you team, I think the Yanks sign another pitcher from Japan named Shohei Ohtani, he will pitch and DH, what do you think of that move. I would also add some veterans and a proven star to your team. Here are some options, Harper, Turner, Donaldson, Machado, Harvey, Kershaw, and Hosmer. I would add Donaldson, Harper, Ohtani, and Chapman to your list. I also think Acevedo and Heller wi ll be in the pen
slider32
I like it, I would add another pitcher from Japan, Shohei Ohtani, he throws 100mph and hits. I would add either Sale or Harvey, Harper or Donaldson, Turner or Hosmer to get some veteran stars. I also think Heller and Acevedo will be in the pen along with another young starter they get through a trade.
pinballwizard1969
I think they sign a pitcher and possibly a 3rd baseman after the 2018 season. I like them to go after Machado as for the pitcher I really don’t know. I don’t think there is any way the Dodgers let Kershaw become a FA after the 2018 season. After the 2017 season I can see them taking a serious look at Chris Tillman.
As for the Japanese pitcher I’m not going to speculate if or when he gets posted.
What I was attempting in my earlier post was just to list the possible roster from the current Yankees players with no outside players.
jljr222
Why do other fans get so mad when the initial trade ask is obviously high? This is the basics of GM’ing or negotiating for that manner. The Yankees know their ask is high, but why wouldn’t they ask for the moon first and come down to a level of what they want. You also never know if you’ll get that “one dumb GM” that will just say “sure”.
I’m all for trading McCann, but the Yankees need to be careful. We need to make sure we have legit backup options. We may have Romine and Higashioka to back up Sanchez, but we need to keep the depth solid. Power hitting catchers aren’t necessarily that easy to find.
I think it’s time for Gardner to go though. Not by choice though, simply because no one is going to take Ellsbury off our hands.
southi
tbh I haven’t really noticed any fan (on either side) being mad about a trade proposal here. I have however seen a bunch of fans that are passionate about their teams and what they think are best for them. I also see several posters who try to make arguments without basing any of it on hard data, facts, trends or prior history. A large portion of fan proposed trades and blogs and such is X team desires A player and offers B, C and/or D. They however only look at it from X’s point of view and never look at it from the other perspective. In other words they see a player they like and think their team could use, they make a hypothetical offer, but they don’t look at that team’s stated direction, stated goals, or trends and values exchanged in past trades over the last few season involving similar age, health, affordability, length of contract or other factors.
There is NOTHING wrong with teams asking for the moon. But unless they are dealing with Dave Stewart they are unlikely to get it. The fact is the vast majority of trades are considered somewhat fair when the actual deal is done (although time may change that perspective). Very few trades are lopsided on paper when they are done except when one team obviously feels they are ‘almost there’.
rmullig2
Cashman got two of the top 30 prospects out of the Pirates organization for about a month and a half of Nova. My guess is the Yankees eat around 5M a year and get a Braves top 15 and another from 25-30.
pinballwizard1969
I’m not 100% sure McCann goes to the Braves at this point. Don’t count out the Nationals. Assuming McCann waives his NTC.
whocaresaboutRBI
Unfortunately this deal probably gets done in the offseason, especially with the decline/cost of Wieters and the injury to Ramos. I’d much prefer Castro, who won’t cost nearly as much. But I agree, Inciarte and Folty aren’t going anywhere, especially for a 30something, second tier platoon bat.
pinballwizard1969
Just my opinion but if the Yankees don’t get one or the other McCann won’t be going to Atlanta.
JamieMoyer 4
No disrespect, but if it’s that’s the case McCann simply won’t be going to Atlanta.
pinballwizard1969
No disrespect taken like I’ve already posted above several times McCann is more valuable to the Yankees in 2017 that trading him for some low level Braves prospects.
themackattack
I wouldn’t give up either of those guys for McCann, much less both.
bravesfan
Yankees are out of their minds if they think McCann is worth EITHER of those, and the braves are even more out of their minds if we did a trade including one of them for McCann. McCann is worth a low rank prospect at best maybe cash. Otherwise the braves don’t need him. He honestly doesn’t perform much better than what we have. I’ll give folty for Sanchez … ..
hanks1hammer
Do you really think that is a sensible trade, or is this you asking for what the Yankees are asking for?