We heard recently that the Dodgers and Brewers had worked on an August trade that would have sent Yasiel Puig to Milwaukee in exchange for fellow outfielder Ryan Braun. New reports provide interesting new details on the swap, which nearly took place and could well be a viable scenario for the coming winter.
One iteration of the talks would have packaged Puig with righty Brandon McCarthy and a pair of prospects, as MLB.com’s Adam McCalvy recently reported. Indeed, negotiations went right down to the wire before the August 31st deadline, with Braun camping out in the Miller Park clubhouse to await word. The sides “simply ran out of time,” per McCalvy, who adds that both the Giants and Braves have stated interest in the veteran slugger.
Whether or not other trade partners will be reconsidered remains to be seen, but Bob Nightengale of USA Today says that an offseason deal to send Braun to the Dodgers is actually “likely.” According to the report, Braun was advised by the Brewers to stick around and wait until the deadline because a deal seemed so promising at that juncture. Ultimately, the final prospect piece couldn’t be agreed upon.
Braun declined to address the matter, but did note that he grew up a Dodgers fan and spends his winters in the Los Angeles area. “When those conversations started, I think it was an interesting position for me to be in,” he said. Braun’s contract requires him to list up to six teams to which he can freely be traded, and the Dodgers were one club that had a green light this year. If he wanted to gain leverage, he could in theory switch the Dodgers out of that position when his next opportunity to re-name the teams arises, though it seems that Braun has compiled his list based primarily on geographic preference.
The above-noted trade parameters are obviously quite interesting, even before learning what type of prospects would’ve been included. McCarthy’s inclusion would help offset the $76MM in salary obligations owed to Braun after this year, as the veteran hurler will be paid $20MM over the next two seasons and has only just returned from Tommy John surgery. But he also might have filled some innings for Milwaukee while representing an interesting potential bounceback trade piece — especially if his 2019 conditional club option is available. (It has not been reported what type of injury would allow that option to be triggered, but it functions as a variation of the Lackey clause.)
The Dodgers will not have to include prospects in a Braun-Puig swap hahaha. Braun has negative trade value, Puig does not.
Don’t see where you find negative trade value in Braun yet positive in puig comparing their numbers this year. Is this a joke?
It’s simple. Braun cleared waivers, Puig didn’t. That means other teams were willing to take Puig and his contract for nothing in return but not Braun and his contract.
That’s the most idiotic pair of statements I have ever heard.
Not really. Nobody want to claim Braun’s contract because his dollars outweigh his performance.
Meanwhile, Puig’s performance outweighs his dollars and thus was claimed.
Braun is worth every penny he makes have you looked at his stats.
But he’s also signed for 4 more years, which will take him through his mid 30s
That is an absurd line of thinking and I’m a fan of Puig’s, *especially* in comparison to Braun.
I can see them giving a lower level prospect or two for Braun with Puig and McCarthy.
Lol Braun does not have negative value. The only player with negative value is this proposed deal would be McCarthy.
The prospects are for the Brewers to take McCarthy and his $35 + million contract off the Dodgers’ hands.
35 mill where do you get that number from? That’s not even close. He’ll have 20 mill for 2 years 10 in 17 and 10 in 18. For a number 3 or 4 pitcher that’s chump change the question will be if he can stay healthy.
He’s kind of buried on the Dodgers depth chart, doubtful it would get this level of injury-hit as it did this year, LAD has too many options so they could pass him to MILW where he’d be their #3. Also might be a lateral move for a Greinke or another high priced FA trade?
McCarthy would be essentially a write-off at this point since his future is far from known. The question of whether he’d be a throw-in after the season kind of depends if he was on the DL at the time the deal was discussed originally.
So how come he cleared waivers?
Braun can only be traded to 6 teams. 5 on west coast and Miami where he went to college. Out of those 6 team there is only one that is run by people who don’t know anything about baseball and think you can just throw money at it and you will win. But there a bunch of chokes.
Braun can still waive his no trade clause, and I think he’d rather go play for a winner than that dumpster fire in Milwaukee. He gets paid regardless.
Milwaukee has a top 5 farm and is about to be a contender, they are in good shape.
Brewers have a better team and a better farm system then the Dodgers. They just throw money around and hope they win. They are so bad at running a team
then the Dodgers wouldn’t be on the list. it’s location dodgers are by his home
There is absolutely no way the Brewers have a better team currently. Better farm system? Most likely yes…but its not like the Brewers are fighting for a playoff spot.
Would take the Brewers team over the Dodgers team. Dodgers are a old team that is going no where.
Dodgers gave the #1 ranked farm in baseball. And as far as your assertion that the Brewers have a better team, how come the Dodgers are contending and the Brewers aren’t then?
Dodgers have 5th best system.Brewers are #1. Brewers are young still make to many errors and play in central with cubs,cards,and pirates
You may want to go look at the 2016 regular season MLB standings.
farm system
The 64 twin Brewers have a better team than the 2 1/2 month Kershaw-less 81 win Dodgers? Better farm…probably. But only because the Dodgers have their best 3 playing in MLB. Even then their farm is still probably a top 5
Agreed. While a single player doesn’t mean team success (just ask Mike Trout), there isn’t a single player on the Brewers that comes even close in talent to Kershaw. While I admit I don’t have great knowledge of the secondary guys on the Brewers, I don’t think they have any guys playing as well as Seager or Turner. The Brewers are not even close in talent to the Dodgers. The Brewers have no excuse really (aside from having a young-ish team) to explain their poor play. It’s not like they are missing guys who would make them a playoff team. You would only take the Brewers over the Dodgers because you’re a Wisconsin fan (or at least a Green Bay Packers fan) and must not be used to a winning baseball team.
The reason that the brewers aren’t good is exactly because they lack talent at the ML level at this moment.
To your point about specific players on dodgers vs. Brewers, does lucroy and the production he provided for Mil before being traded count? if so, he’s just as good as turner.
An old team going nowhere eh kid?
First place
Not old:
Corey Seager
Clayton Kershaw
Julio Urias
Jose De Leon
Yasiel Puig
Yasmani Grandal
Joc Pederson
Kenta Maeda
Kenley Jansen
etc.
Them being young and making too many errors is part of the reason their Major League team is worse than the Dodgers. I think the standings tell you all you need to know about which team is better in 2016 and that good Dodgers team is mostly staying together for 2017 with even more reinforcements coming from the farm.
My thoughts exactly….in Urias and De Leon they have 2 of the top pitching protects in baseball in their rotation…..they caught and passed the 3 time WS winning Giants without the best pitcher on the planet….and without Wood….Kazmir….McCarthy….and I am sure that I am missing some like Anderson but he is a bum anyways….point is they have done more with less down the stretch than just about anyone and if these 2 can’t miss pitching prospects were still in the minors…their farm system would jump several spots into the top 2 or 3….
so they could still have a winning team and keep it under $189,000,000.00. maybe someone should tell the Dodgers that
Were you there complaining when the Dodgers traded away their farm because of a terrible owner but now your complaining because they are spending money? They are digging out of the hole Colletti put them in plain and simple. CC’s contract is bad, Ethier’s contract was bad etc. So what’s the complaint when their are under the cap next year?
There is a reason why the Dodgers system is no longer 1. That would be because of the graduations of mainly Seager and Urias. Take note that they still have 6 in the top 100 the same number as the Brewers. The hate isn’t really evident btw!
HA HA HA – Negative Value – Top 15 in NL in HR, RBI, SB – Top 10 in SLG, AVG
You’re forgetting his contract and possibly being on PEDs
“Possibly being on PEDs???”
We gotta regular Joe McCarthy over here…
Yes, because Braun clearly has no history of ties to PED’s. Ridiculous of someone to try to insinuate that!
Braun with negative value? That’s silly! Didn’t Puig just spend a while in the minors?
Yes, but Puig is cheap enough that teams actually would be willing to pay him that much money. No one would take Braun and his contract for nothing in return.
Braun has neg value compared to Puig? A locker room cancer that just spent a month in AAA? Learn your baseball
The Brewers claimed Puig on waivers. The Dodgers did not claim Braun. That means the Brewers were willing to take Puig and his entire contract straight up but the Dodgers were not willing to take Braun and his contract. The Brewers would have to throw in prospects or cash to get rid of Braun, and likely even more to get Puig since they clearly view him as a positive value piece.
did you not read the article. Dodgers want Braun and are trying to get rid of there crap players. Brewers will take them as long as they add top prospects just trying to figure out how many of the Dodgers prospects it will take.
Also, waivers are largely used to block other teams from squiring players. Not saying this was the case. Plus, not to many teams can afford Brauns contract, not that they don’t want it. He’s being paid market value.
Acquiring*
The Brewers claimed Puig. That means they would have taken him without also getting back top prospects.
The Dodgers didn’t seem to care about blocking other teams from acquiring Braun. Sorry bud but you don’t have a leg to stand on.
Puig’s trade value > Braun’s
that’s why there trying to trade 4 dodgers for 1 brewer
Just because someone claims someone on waivers in August does not mean they are willing to take on the whole contract with no return. It means they claim the right to work a deal. Hence why Puig is still with the Dodgers
It’s already been stated that LA would’ve been the team sending prospects…..it only didn’t go through because the 2nd prospect couldn’t be agreed upon.
“Just because someone claims someone on waivers in August does not mean they are willing to take on the whole contract with no return.”
That’s not true, the Dodgers didn’t HAVE to pull Puig back from waivers. They could have just let the Brewers have Puig and his contract. If the Brewers weren’t okay with that, they wouldn’t have claimed Puig, but they were so they did. And I’m sure other teams claimed Puig as well. Brewers won the claim because they had the worst record of all those teams. Meanwhile, the Dodgers didn’t claim Braun because they didn’t want to get stuck with his contract. Puig CLEARLY has more value.
We can argue about how smart the Dodgers’ front office is, but they’re not going to trade a Major League outfielder and two prospects for a guy they clearly didn’t want for nothing in return.
If Braun had positive trade value, then why wasn’t he claimed? Braun’s contract is a heavy burden to bare.
read the USA today article if you can read or have someone read it to you
Except one of the players (puig) was sent down to the minors for a month because of his performance and attitude.
Braun provides the numbers to support his contract. What Puig did in AAA doesn’t count. Puig has the negative value at this time. McCarthy would be to help balance contracts. A prospect or two would be needed to balance out the risk Milwaukee would be taking. It’s unknown how many innings McCarthy would provide, or what Puig’s attitude will be.
Its pretty well documented what this guys attitude is.
And it’s been well documented that Puig’s time in AAA seemed to be a wake up call and he was great while he was down.
It remains to be seen if this is the new Puig or not. So yes, there’s an unknown element to Puig.
Pretty short sample size. Forgive me if the jury is still out
The jury is always still out.
Jury has been out on Puig since he arrived. The guy has a reputation that is mostly unwarranted. Look at how many teams are interested in such a sketchy character.
Yeah he’s hardly a cancer, he’s a great, funny guy. I’m 100% positive he just has undiagnosed ADD. All the symptoms are there.
Please, regale me with your clinical diagnosis of someone with add
So how come the Brewers claimed Puig but the Dodgers didn’t claim Braun?
They didn’t want to take his entire contract, there would be money moving back to Milwaukee in a trade.
Exactly, Brewers will have to pay part of Braun’s contract to move him at all. If they get Puig and prospects back they’ll have to pay even more of his contract.
No, the Dodgers would subtract Puig’s and McCarthy’s contracts in order to take Braun’s. Claiming him would mean they had to take his entire contract straight up and this is the trade they were thinking about.
Also the Dodgers are near the end of the waiver line, so if he fell all the way to them, chances are the Cubs aren’t interested in him so it’s a safe bet to just let him pass through.
No because Braun would still have to pass by all of the AL teams after the Dodgers and Cubs. Just deal with it bruh, if the Dodgers were willing to pay all of Braun’s contract, they absolutely would have claimed him.
That’s what I’m saying though???
“They didn’t want to take his entire contract, there would be money moving back to Milwaukee in a trade.”
“if the Dodgers were willing to pay all of Braun’s contract, they absolutely would have claimed him.”
which means that braun + his contract (which wasn’t claimed) is less valuable than Puig + his contract (which was claimed)
I don’t think the Dodgers know how to claim a player. they just buy them
Claiming a player would literally be buying them from their current team. Go learn baseball before you attempt to discuss it
wow you are stupid
I’m saying your Dodgers don’t know how to claim someone off of waivers. they just buy players $267,000,000.00 on payroll for 1 season and still suck
Oh god, pot -> kettle. You must be like 13.
You have no grasp of baseball transactions. This isn’t your MLB the Show game.
I’m not a dodgers fan. And how do the dodgers “still suck” they are leading the NL West.
You are either a troll or someone who accidentally found their way here from the NFL forum.
Here is an example of the dodgers claiming a player mlbtraderumors.com/2016/06/dodgers-claim-cole-figu…
Please go away now.
they don’t know how it works the Dodgers just try to buy players
West coast ryan, by your logic if a team decided to claim say David Murphy (notice I said David not Daniel since idk if you’d even know there was a difference) but didn’t decide to claim Braun, then David Murphys trade value is higher? Everyone knows the Brewers weren’t going to let Braun and his 900 ops walk for free. So why place a claim on him and restrict yourself to the 48 hour window you get to strike a deal on a revocable waiver claim. ( granted there’s no way you knew that was a thing) instead just hope everyone passes and use all the time you have up to August 31.
Well because 1, you are relying on every other team passing up on him. If he’s that great of a commodity, why would teams do that?
And you you attempting to say that teams thought that the dodgers would let puig walk for free and that is why he was claimed? Otherwise your entire point makes no sense.
Well then why would the Brewers claim Puig? They knew the Dodgers weren’t going to let him walk for free and they knew that by claiming him, they would be restricted to that 48 hour window to trade for him.
The answer: because they knew Puig wouldn’t make it through waivers. They wouldn’t have had a chance to trade for him if they didn’t place that claim. The Dodgers didn’t have to claim Braun because they knew no one would claim him because of his negative trade value. By the way, there’s no guarantee that the Brewers wouldn’t have just let Braun walk. I feel like if they absolutely wouldn’t have let him walk, SOME team would have claimed him at least to block some other team from claiming him.
Dodgers told Puig you are getting traded if we can find someone that will take you or we are sending down. Couldn’t find anyone by trade deadline so sent him down. Sound like real good value
That clearly wasn’t true because he got claimed. They could have just let the Brewers have him if they really wanted to, but they didn’t want to. They wanted to get a legitimate return.
You can keep trying to argue with me until October but it won’t change that I am SCHOOLING you with the cold, hard facts.
I was trying to keep my response short so people would read it but I guess I should have kept going. Braun is owed something like 80 million over 4 years or 91 million over 5 if his option is picked up. Now he only actually receives 15 million a year with the rest of his salary being deferred to later dates. There is lot to figure out in the 48 hours you have after a claim just because of salary alone. Like how much will the Dodgers pay? Who will pay the deferred salary? There a lot more to a waiver claim than just this guy must be more valuable because he was claimed and the other guys wasn’t. To suggest otherwise just means you don’t really understand how baseball works. Which was mainly what I was trying to get at. This ryan dude is so stuck on one guy was claimed and one wasn’t, and he doesn’t delve any deeper into why. I understand not many people probably understand how a front office works but it would nice if some people would try to learn before making stupid comments.
Well by your own admission the Brewers would likely have to pay part of Braun’s salary just to get rid of him. It’s not the same with Puig, because he was claimed. The Brewers would have been willing to take Puig and his contract straight up. So clearly Puig’s value > Braun’s.
Trying to be as peaceful as I can here. The only cold hard fact I know after this is that you don’t understand how front offices work. If you honestly think Braun has negative trade value and that more teams would rather have puig than Braun then that says all I need to know. You just don’t understand and that’s fine. But please stop commenting on everything with your same two cents. Just because you say puig > Braun because puig was claimed and Braun wasn’t doesn’t make it true.
Dude your comparing a guy making 25 million over 3 years over a guy making 60 million ver those 3 years. I bet you Miguel Cabrera passed through waivers since all most all player do. Nobody claimed him but the Brewers claimed puig so puig > Cabrera apparently. We could find so many guys better than puig that weren’t claimed if we try
thank you
Braun may be better than Puig now and for the last two years, but his contract pays him more money per year and pays him until he’s 37. With their respective contracts, most teams would rather have Puig, hence him being claimed and Braun not.
I’m sure you could find guys better than Puig who weren’t claimed but could you find guys better than Puig making as much or less money who weren’t claimed?
they better be two really good prospects to take those two players off of dodgers hands.
Exactly.
I don’t agree, Braun’s contract being off the books nearly cancels that part out, the prospects would be making up that difference, and Puig+McCarthy for Braun is kind of a match already. All really depends on the money being taken on by either team though. If LAD takes on some of Puig’s and McCarthy’s money then I don’t think the prospects will be high profile at all. Freeing up salary for the Brewers in a near-complete rebuild is huge for them though. If they used that and got Rich Hill they’d be getting dangerous.
Brewers would have to include money to get the Dodgers to take Braun straight up. Then even more money if they get Puig in the deal and still more money if they get prospects, but then somewhat less money if they also get McCarthy in the deal.
I don’t understand why you feel the need to comment on every post saying the same thing. One time is enough.
Giants should be involved ….. Redo there pen.. Will need some outfielders
Has there been a player since Bonds more despised (and booed in every park save his home stadium)? Braun’s mere presence irritates baseball fans to no end, more due to the way he has continued to thumb his nose at fans, teammates, and the game itself. To everyone who doesn’t care about anything but the W-L figures, Braun is the poster child of negative value.
So he will fit in perfect in LA
Do tell about how he thumbs his nose at them. Would love to hear it.
I’ve despised Braun for a while – his actions during the steroid scandal, and robbery of the MVP trophy that Matt Kemp thoroughly deserved, made my blood boil.
But, to his credit, it seems like he’s been a good character since. I can’t recall any examples of him stepping out of line since. In fact, it seems like he’s shut his mouth and got on with business – boos and all.
In fairness Braun did not award himself the MVP.
Yeah, true.
I’m incredibly bias, I felt Kemp deserved to win the award anyway. But that’s on the voters, and can’t blame them for not knowing of Braun’s cheating at the time.
A beneficiary of a robbery retrospectively – there we go.
That includes his own stats. Kemp’s were clearly better. To me it was a head scratcher before the steroid scandal was announced. And how when baseball knew about him juicing they did nothing regarding MVP hardware is beyond me.
Kemp absolutely had claim to that MVP and Braun, already banged up, would have surely gotten a lot more banged up had he not been using PED’s. Even still, Kemp beat him in all counting stats and OPS+ and had no lineup protection all year, while Braun was in a murderer’s row.
He is just like every other athlete that get caught cheating. Just keep digging a hole til you bury yourself. He is a very good baseball player that made a mistake. I don’t think it was to help him play at a higher level I think it was more to help him heal faster from playing baseball. I my opinion I think that’s why they do it. Most of them already have the talent. It’s got to be one of the hardest things to do hitting a round ball going 90 mph with a round bat. PED’S don’t help you hit a baseball (OK maybe harder)
It’s not Braun’s fault Kemp played on a bad team and for some reason you can’t be a MVP on a bad team.
And what proof of this do you have exactly that you can just speak for all fans??
I neither pretend nor need to speak for all fans. Those outside of Miller Park speak LOUD and CLEAR every time Braun comes to bat! Just listen!
Milton Bradley, Aj Pierzynski (spelling), John Rocker
Puig would just be a start. Major league ready pitcher and several top minor leaguers must be included. Remember, check the numbers. Puig is a nothing.
A “nothing” with a career batting line of .288/.363/.473/.837 is quite a bit of nothing. And of course he can’t throw or field, either.
The caveat is his no trade clause plus his potential 10 and 5. Miami, SD, and Angels are out for a multitude of reasons. The Dbacks already have Tomas’s contract to contend with along with Grienke plus you figure the excess money would be saved to keep Goldie and . So now you’re dealing with a market of San Fran and LA. That’s not exactly going to drive the price up. So the Brewers are not in the best of bargaining positions. Trade him in the offseason and obtain something of significance or wait until the deadline and have Braun dictate where he goes. With taking on his full salary you’d expect the Brewers aren’t going to receive what most fans demand.
And Braun is less than a nothing. Notice how the Dodgers didn’t claim him.
that why they keep on trying to get him from the Brewers
They probably want the Brewers to throw in cash or prospects. If they were willing to take him and his contract straight up they would have just claimed him.
Brewers are not going to give Braun away they want something for him. They don’t need his contract gone they no how to run a team without spending a quarter of a billion dollars on payroll each year.
They can want something for him all they want. But if no one wanted to claim him and risk getting stuck with his contract they’re not gonna give up any nice prospects in order to do it.
that’s why the Dodgers keep trying to get him. tried to get him at trade deadline then tried to get him in puig claim.
Do you understand how stupid your posts are? They tried to get him via trade. They did not try to get him via a waiver claim. That means that Ryan Braun + his contract made it past every single team which decided that they did not feel adding Braun to their team was worth the financial commitment tied to him.
This means that the dodgers were interested in Ryan Braun, but they were not interested enough in him with his current contract to put in a claim that could possibly result in them getting him for exactly 0 prospects, but having to pay his entire salary.
You really need to learn how the specific deadlines, team claim priority and it’s repercussions, and trade/trade value in general actually function.
Yeah. They tried to trade for him. They likely wanted the Brewers to throw I. Some prospects or eat a big chunk of Braun’s salary. If they saw Braun as a positive value piece they would have just claimed him.
You keep coming back and getting smacked back down with facts. Do yourself a favor and quit while you are far behind.
the Brewers want prospects for Braun and the Dodgers know that from trying to get him before August 1 trade dead line. You are thinking one of the better players who’s contract is in line with what is is producing would be given away for nothing is delusional. the Dodgers tried to get Braun in claim waiver for Puig and where going to give prospects and a pitcher plus Puig but couldn’t decide on prospects. sounds like Puig has more value. dumb ass
No they weren’t. Why would the Dodgers trade Puig and prospects for a guy they weren’t interested in claiming for nothing in return. That makes zero sense unless the Brewers were offering to pay a large chunk of Braun’s salary.
The Brewers can want prospects for Braun all they want. That doesn’t mean they’ll get them.
If Braun is producing in line with his contract, how come all 20 teams passed on claiming him?
20 is supposed to be 29*
Players are rarely ever claimed and not pulled back from trade waivers. Most teams don’t waste their time claiming players they know they won’t get for nothing. Adrian Gonzalez passed through trade waivers in 2012 without being claimed and was then traded to the Dodgers with several other players who all went unclaimed. A claimed player does not mean he has more trade value than an unclaimed player. Claiming a player is primarily a blocking move to prevent a trade.
So why didn’t the Dodgers claim Braun as a blocking move then?
A lot of players are put on trade waivers. The Dodgers are not going to claim all of them, only themail players that they think the Giants want. The Brewers claimed Puig either to block another team, or they were already in trade talks with the Dodgers, or both.
Ryan Braun to LA
And another thing. Other teams could be more interested in Puig than the Brewers. The only reason the Brewers won the claim was because they had the worst record among all the AL teams that claimed Puig. So they might actually have competition from someone else if they try to trade for Puig in the offseason.
NL teams*
They need to make it so you can edit comments after more than 5 minutes again.
“If I had done this intentionally or unintentionally, I’d be the first one to step up and say, ‘I did it,’ ” said Braun, wearing a casual jacket as he stood at a podium under a bright Arizona sun.
“By no means am I perfect, but if I’ve ever made any mistakes in my life I’ve taken responsibility for my actions. I truly believe in my heart and I would bet my life that this substance never entered my body at any point.
“I’ve always had tremendous respect for the game of baseball, and part of the reason I’ve kept quiet throughout the course of this ordeal, and part of the reason why I won’t be able to get into all of the details today, is to put the best interests of the game ahead of the best interests of myself. And that hasn’t been easy.
“There were a lot of times when I wanted to come out and tell the entire story, to attack everybody as I’ve been attacked, as my name has been dragged through the mud as everything I’ve worked for my entire life was called into question.
“There were a lot of times I wanted to come out and tell the entire story, but at the end of the day I realized what’s actually best for the game of baseball, and I put that ahead of what was actually best for myself.
“I’ve always stood up for what is right. Today is about everybody who’s been wrongly accused, and everybody who has had to stand up for what is actually right. Today isn’t about me; it isn’t about one player. It’s about all players. It’s about all current players, all future players and everybody who plays the game of baseball.”
“I’ve always stood up for what is right. Today is about everybody who’s been wrongly accused, and everybody who’s ever had to stand up for what is actually right…I will continue to take the high road because that’s who I am, and that’s the way that I’ve lived my life. We won because the truth is on my side.”
“There were a lot of things that we learned about the collector, about the collection process, about the way that the entire thing worked that made us very concerned and very suspicious about what could have actually happened.
“We spoke to biochemists and scientists, and asked them how difficult would it be to tamper with somebody’s sample. Their response was that if they were motivated, it would be extremely easy. Again, that’s why it’s so important to get it out of the hands of the only person in the world who knows whose sample it is.”
Thanks for posting this. Let’s not forget that two people lost their jobs because of Braun’s lies. Also, remember that the collector’s reputation was dragged through the mud and his ethics were called into question by not only Braun and his lawyers, but by the media. That poor man and his family suffered greatly for no other reason than Braun being a pathological liar.
very true and he should pay him his salary for life. hopefully he sued Braun
Turns my stomach to read this. Him going on about what an amazingly perfect person he is, and how it’s all the collector’s fault, when he knows everything he’s saying is a complete lie. What a scumbag.
puig and Braun are overrated especially puig what he had one good year at least Braun had a couple MVP seasons but he was on steroids so I’d definitely take Braun before puig
Puig – 2013 and 2014. So actually, about half his time in MLB
Braun’s contract is not excessive. If he was a free agent after this season he’d be looking at a $100 million contract easily. Only player who’d get a bigger contract is Cespedes.
Why wasn’t he claimed? Why wasn’t he claimed? Why wasn’t he claimed?
Why wasn’t Adrian Gonzalez claimed in 2012?
He wasn’t claimed because teams have these things called budgets and it’s not just easy to fork over $90 million on a quick decision.
The Dodgers don’t. $90m is what they were paying players to play for someone else last year.
other teams have a budget. dodgers don’t they don’t care about money they spent almost $300,000,000 last year and $90,000,000 was to player not on team they just don’t care about money. read about baseball waivers then you might understand it then send link to Chester he doesn’t understand either
Yeah, it’s those who are informed that don’t understand. If the dodgers don’t have a budget, why didn’t they just claim Braun?
Seriously, go read about how baseball works and come back to discuss it when you have any semblance of an idea of how it works.
they probably didn’t want to pay his salary plus 50% penalties for being over $189 millions. so when the Brewers claim puig they decided they would try to get braun again seeing they didn’t get him when they tried in july. thanks for entertainment
Because it’d be pointless. When you’re dealing with that type of money, a deal is not going to come together in 48 hours that both teams agree upon. Teams typically put most of their roster on waivers. There’s 2 players who have 9 figure contracts who would be claimed. Trout and Kershaw. Best position player and pitcher in the game. That’s it. Nobody is willing to commit that money (not even the Dodgers) midseason and for future years. No one is claiming David Price, Miggy, Verlander, Pujols, Greinke, Cano etc.
Then the Brewers claiming Puig in an attempt to trade Braun for him was also pointless (altho it was pretty obvious from the get-go that Puig would be claimed and pulled back).
Dodgers have Kershaw. Brewers do not. I’ll take my chances building a team around arguably the best SP of the last 20 years.
what does this have to do with anything?
I think puig is going to be very good, but right now id easily take Braun at his salary hit rather then puig. And saying puig is more valuable than brain is just foolish, most claims in August are rentals/depth players. There’s not many blockbusters like this, where its a pure baseball trade
Please, PLEASE find me the quote that says, “we will trade you if we can find someone to take you”. The dodgers were willing to trade Puig, if they found a deal they valued as fair. Those are two completely different things.
A person having a contract that makes them more difficult to trade (work out financing for) is actually a perfect example of why someone like Braun, who is owed a lot of money, has less trade value.
The Braves managed to figure out a trade that involved Kemps contract and it’s alternative bodies for payment. If you really don’t think an MLB front office can work out details for the acquisition of a player in 48 hours then you fail to understand the quantity or stultification of the people employed by most teams.
lol
yes, it is much easier to just say “lol’ than to actually attempt to understand logic.
you should go visit fangraphs. i’d be curious if you can even comprehend the words that are used by writers on that site.
Buddy, you really should give it up. 1. “Other teams have a budget. Dodgers don’t, they don’t care about money.” 2. “They probably didn’t want to pay his salary plus 50%.” Sounds like a “budget”.
I get it, you hate the Dodgers. I’m a D-Back fan, so I’m not particularly fond of them either (or Chet Arthur, who takes any chance he gets to bash the D-Back organization and its fans, for that matter). That said, he’s at least informed with his arguments and not self-contradictory, and he’s burying you in this argument. If the Dodgers felt that Braun was worth that contract, they would have claimed him, especially if they truly “don’t have a budget.” They, like every other MLB team, decided that he’s not worth it, even though his production this year has clearly been superior to Puig’s, because you’re buying the age 33-37 seasons of a corner outfielder with average at best defensive metrics, who, while still very productive at the plate, is not close to the hitter that he was in his prime. If the Brewers want to move him for a legitimate return as you argue, they have to either eat some money, or take back a player with less value than Braun himself (i.e. McCarthy)
Read the USA today article before you comment. Braun with Dodgers paying his whole salary for Puig,Mccarthy and prospects they just couldn’t figure out prospects. All this people that think they know what is going on and don’t read first.
God this is embarrassing…
The Dodgers weren’t willing to take Braun and his entire contract for nothing. Why would they do it for Puig, McCarthy and prospects!?!?!?!?
I did read the article, but I do appreciate your concern. I don’t particularly believe Nightengale’s assumption that Braun will certainly be a Dodger by next spring, but even if that were the case, it doesn’t refute my claim that the Brewers have to take back a negative value player (McCarthy) in order for this to happen. I won’t go so far as Ryan seems to be going in saying that a Braun for Puig framework can’t work out (you can make a legitimate case that Braun will be the superior player for the next 2 years), but McCarthy is needed to even out the money. The Dodgers clearly don’t see the value of Braun at that contract without receiving some salary relief (or else they would have claimed him), and they also don’t view Puig as a complete sunk cost, or else they would’ve given him to Milwaukee for free. Puig for Braun could make some sense, but I’d be shocked if the “prospects” included are high-level, and it’s still a necessity that Milwaukee eat some money (or take back a bad contract).
I agree with your basic premise that, as is, Puig has more trade value than Braun (not sure how so many people are disputing that honestly, but that’s beside the point), but I could see Puig+ prospects (low-level ones, not a De Leon or Bellinger or anything crazy), but Milwaukee obviously has to eat a substantial amount of money. Braun’s a better player, and the youth argument for Puig would hold more weight if he didn’t seem to be trending down, so if the contracts were evened out, I think Milwaukee could reasonably ask for Puig+
But I can’t see any way it happens without Milwaukee eating money, as our mutual friend ib6ub9 seems to be arguing
I never said it can’t work out, just that Puig has more value than Braun thanks to their respective contracts so it would be the Brewers having to add to the trade, not the Dodgers.
Braun $19 million Puig and Mccarthy $16.5 million is the money and then dodgers give prospects. They just couldn’t figure out prospects
Ok, then I’m in agreement, but I could see LA including prospects, but they’d be less valuable than the cash that Milwaukee sends the other way IMO
I’d like to know why they feel the need to make this trade so complicated? Why not just Puig for Braun and cash to balance out their contracts?
What I think and I know I don’t know nothing is the Dodgers want Braun and the Brewers want prospects so trade didn’t go down in july. The Brewers claimed Puig to flip him (buy low sell high). The Dodgers still wanted Braun but didn’t want to pay Braun + 50% luxury fee so they put Puig and Mccarthy (money difference ) in trade + prospects. But I’m sure I’m wrong
Brewers have said they will keep Braun they are not paying money out to get rid of him. If good deal comes they will trade but are not dumping him.
The Brewers can do whatever they want but a trade takes two to tango. If they’re not willing to eat some of Braun’s contract no one is going to take him. Especially not if they want prospects in return.
Then he will stay with the brewers. His contract is in line with his performance. It just gets out of line then the teams that spend over $189 million a year. Then it goes from $76 million for 4 years to $114 million for 4 years. But I’m sure the Dodgers will figure it out they probably have 10’s of millions come off payroll next year.
If his contract was in line with his performance someone would have claimed him 😛
did you have a stroke
Nope
Nah. His contract is exactly in line, maybe even cheap for his performance. Edwin Enc will make somewhere between 80-100 mill this offseason and Braun is younger and having a better year. So Brauns contract is right about where it should be.
The irony of this post and your obvious lack of understanding in how front offices value cheaper and younger years for a player with upside like Puig vs more expensive, longer, and likely downswing years on Braun is comical.
You are attempting to call someone out for not getting baseball, however you are absolutely showing that you don’t at all understand how front offices account for things like price, upside, age, decline years, positional flexibility.
do you have a source noting that miggy was placed on and cleared waivers?
Most teams* this is the dodgers
almost every player in baseball goes through waivers and pretty sure they are not all claimed. lol. so they must not be valuable
A lot are claimed, a lot aren’t. Most just aren’t leaked out to the public. I don’t know why everyone made such a big deal about Puig getting placed on waivers when the end result (him getting claimed and pulled back from waivers) was the most predictable thing in the world.
because he was on the front end of a 7 year 154m contract that will pay him through his age 36 season.
Read USA today article or mlb.com’s article. Braun with Dodgers paying for all of his salary for Puig,Mccarthy and prospects just couldn’t figure out prospects in time.
Got a link? I see no article on MLB.com saying anything of the sort
Here is the article that states the deal was Braun for Puig McCarthy and prospects.
usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nighte…
Also the Brewers beat writer said the prospects that were talked about going back to the Brewers were significant prospects. So who knows what that really means but there is no reason for the Brewers to take throw ins for Ryan Braun. I am also shocked that so many people on this board actually think just because Puig was claimed he has more value than Braun. It is common knowledge that a lot of great players get sent through waivers only to never get claimed. Most teams have a strict budget and can’t afford a contract like Brauns right now. They will just wait till the offseason when more teams budgets will increase.
The article doesn’t quite say the Brewers were asking for significant prospects, only that they expected a significant talent return for Braun. That could well be Puig. If the Dodgers are willing to take on all of Braun’s remaining contract the return for the Brewers beyond what they offered is going to be pretty limited.
No that was the Brewers beat writer who was on tv yesterday who said the prospects the brewers were getting with Puig were legit. And then he said it again to emphasize “legit.” So I guess who knows what his exact meaning was when he said legit cause it could mean a lot of things but it definitely didn’t sound like they would be throw ins, organizational filler types.
Is Ryan Braun a good defensive LF? Its been awhile since I watched him play. LAA seems like a better fit than LAD. The Dodgers need youth whereas the Angels need MLB level talent. For all its worth, Yasiel Puig’s bat seems slow to me.
LAA is a better fit, but they don’t have the value of younger players that the Brewers covet….. Minors are barren.
I usually don’t comment on here, but holy cow. WestCoastRyan –you are literally the last person to know how stupid you are. You have no concept of economics in regards to baseball, you buck the information provided by baseball insiders, and just incessantly repeat waiver claims are the only gauge of trade value.
A buncha’ people on here have told you, you have an article you are commenting on that contradicts your sage analysis, and you just keep bangin’ your thick skull against the wall sayin’ the same thing over and over.
You’ve convinced no one of anything other than you’re as stubborn as you are stupid.
As if I, or anyone for that matter, should give a hoot about what a Giants fan thinks. Scum.
I have forgotten more than you will ever know about baseball.
your so dumb you can’t even read.
you’re*
Lol…scum. Haven’t heard that in awhile…especially because of a baseball disagreement. Funny.
You’re still a dummy tho’ and I’m not sure you know more about baseball than me. You certainly don’t when it comes to the finances and roster moves.
That’s all I gotta’ say ’bout all this. If I was as stupid as you, I would hope someone would tell me I was. We tried.
Chester, Ryan and af10 seam to be the only ones that can’t figure it out. the USA today article pretty much spelled it out. Braun for Puig,Mccarthy and prospects for some reason they think Puig is god and worth a lot because he got claimed. Brewers were just trying to buy low and sell high with Puig and the Dodgers wanted Braun but didn’t want to pay him $19 million a year plus 50% more for luxury tax. That is why he wasn’t claimed. For some reason they think you claim them you just take them and don’t have to work a deal. Braun is way more valuable to the Dodgers then Puig. That’s why the Dodgers want him and tried again to get him when Puig was claimed
Recovable waivers means his original team can either let you have them, work out a trade, or pull them back. Yes the Dodgers didn’t want to pay Braun all that money so why would they give up Puig and prospects to do it?
All you’ve demonstrated on this thread is that you are an inept dodobird who knows nothing about baseball, contracts, player values or really anything. Stop crying because I’ve embarrassed you. Here’s your pacifier.
Please point to where I’ve called Puig “God”. I’ve specifically stated that Braun’s a better player and is more valuable to the Dodgers on the field. What I’m comparing, as is Ryan, is the abstract notion of trade value, which encompasses age and contract, as well as production
If I wanted to kill myself I’d climb your ego and jump to your IQ
that would still make me smarter then you. dumb ass
That comment was to BustyPoser, but obviously you’re too dumb to realize this.
Was that joke for me? I guess it’s kinda’ funny, but it sounds like an old man joke. Didja’ learn that from your dad or uncle or somethin’? it sounds like one of those sayin’s a dad would get a lotta’ laughs with, but just don’t work when his kids say it.
You keep on keepin’ on , lil’ fella. Sometimes I enjoy these banters back and forth, but you’re just too dense for words. I hate to come on here just to remark on what a dumb guy you are, but you were just so persistent in lettin’ us know…I hadda’ say something.
No matter how many times you say it, waiver claims are just not the sole indicator of trade worth. It’s a lot more sophisticated than that and that’s what you’re missing. I’ll go back to not knowing much of anything and you can continue to rule the world now.
You know, sometimes it’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are stupid than to open your mouth and prove them right.
You’re a little late on that, brainwave. Better luck next thread.
What’s with the random comma? Are you calling me “brainwave?”
Your punctuation and grammar are still kindergarten level at best and you continue to show how stupid you are by trying to get the better of me in this matter.
I’m sure you will continue to pop up on other threads where you will continue to be schooled left and right with the facts. But idk what I expected from a Giants fan. Worst fanbase in the game.
The only reason I’m responding is so someone impressionable doesn’t think you’re correct here.
Commas are used to separate names, terms of endearment, or insulting nicknames of a person directly addressed. Information like this is found on grammarbookcom and ,now, random MLBTR threads.
I was learning how to fingerpaint and not piss myself when I was in kindergarten. I’ll take your word for it they teach proper comma usage now. You can’t be too far removed from those formative years.
Back to baseball talk , we can just disagree on Puig’s value. I’ll be the first to say id love to have him ( I’m a Phillies fan actually) , but he ain’t worth what you think he is.
Anyone with half a brain who reads this knows I am correct. What kind of name is “Brainwave?” And I actually don’t think Puig is super valuable, but he and his contract are worth more than Braun and his contract. Most teams would take Puig and his contract for nothing. You can’t say the same about Braun.
Can’t we just talk baseball??? It’s a lot more interesting than arguing about punctuation….
Not really sure why it bothers you if you had nothing baseball to add. No disrespect intended, any more than I’m sure you did with your question, but I don’t like being instructed on what I choose to write about. Especially by folk I don’t know.
I didn’t have any intention on having a conversation about punctuation, but someone else did… so I went that way. If you’re only interested in keeping the thread about baseball…fire away.