The White Sox sit at five games under .500 as September nears, which is certainly not what the organization expected coming into the season. With a disappointing campaign all but assured at this point, GM Rick Hahn discussed several notable topics with the media today.
Hahn vehemently denied that there is any discord in the Chicago front office, as has been suggested, saying that the members of the organization’s upper management “are of a similar mindset as to how best to proceed.” Collen Kane of the Chicago Tribune provides the full quote on Twitter. “We’ve had a number of conversations, both [president Kenny Williams] and I, as well as Kenny, [owner Jerry Reinsdorf] and I, about the best way to approach the offseason and what we want to accomplish,” said Hahn. “And once the offseason rolls around, we will start executing that plan.”
The big question remains whether the South Siders will push to supplement their talented core, embark upon a rebuild, or perhaps take a middle course of some kind. Hahn wasn’t inclined to tip his hand, but did suggest it should be rather easy to divine the team’s direction after it begins making moves this winter, as Bruce Levine of 670thescore.com tweets. Reading between the lines a bit, that would seem at least to hint that the team will chart a generally aggressive buying or selling course.
Hahn did make clear that selling off veteran pieces has at least received serious consideration from the organization, as Dan Hayes of CSNChicago.com reports (Twitter links). “There also comes a point where there is a level of frustration with the way things have played out over the last couple of years,” said Hahn. “I’m not saying [a rebuild] is the route we’re going to go, but I assure you there is absolute openness from Jerry, Kenny, myself.”
Meanwhile, the veteran executive passed along some notable injury news. Center fielder Austin Jackson is almost certainly done for the year after failing to show sufficient progress from his meniscus tear, as Hayes was among those to report. He had signed with Chicago in hopes of re-entering the free agent market this year with a better platform season, but a rough start and lengthy injury absence have only further harmed his standing.
The Sox also expect that third baseman Matt Davidson will be out the rest of the way given the seriousness of his foot fracture. He had finally earned a big league promotion right before getting hurt, but will need to wait until next year for a full chance at an audition. Infielder Brett Lawrie, meanwhile, is dealing with what is now being called a knee and calf problem; he doesn’t have a specific timeframe to return but is expected back this year.
chesteraarthur
They should rebuild. They are a bad team. They can not build a serious contender with what they have unless they drop a ton of money (which wouldn’t even really help this offseason). They have continued to try to compete with this core and it just isn’t happening unless everything breaks exactly right. They lack the role player/depth that is needed.
natsfan3437
I agree they should just sell dfa the more expensive players and try and trade abreu eaton melky Jackson and sale
I would keep Quintana and Anderson
natsfan3437
Trade in the offseason
larold
Big market teams don’t rebuild. I’ve followed White Sox 60 years and they’ve never done it intentionally. Small market teams like Kansas City and San Diego do it. In K.C., it took 20 years of rebuilding to get competitive again. Chicago fans wouldn’t wait that long; they’d abandon the team. White Sox only option is to sell off the lesser assets (see Navarro trade), sign more free agents, make more trades, and hope someday they learn to draft and develop their own talent. The 2005 championship team was constructed on this basis.
One Fan
The Cubs rebuilt very well and the Yankees are now doing the same. So did Boston. The Phillies are in year one if the rebuild and are only a few games off the White Sox reocrd in just one year! There goes your theory that big markets do not rebuild.
In fact smart teams do. Dumb teams say they “retool” but not “rebuild” and the White Sox are among the Dumbest teams around.
Nola Di Bari 67
I am a White Sox fan of some 45 years.That being said, this is a joke if an organization that doesn’t know how to scout major league talent,draft amateur talent or develop it, and have no clue how to market a team. They just sold their naming rights to a mortgage company by the name of Guaranteed Rate. That means their park will now be named Guaranteed Rate Field . . . What?!!? They are no good,near irrelevant in a city with another team that was always way more popular, and now has even figured out how to not only win, but dominate, for years to come,and their horrible marketing department, headed by a miserable failure named Brooks Boyer, allows this goofy, sad yet laughable stadium name to be approved?Go ahead and laugh your asses off, Baseball world, while I sit here and wonder why I pledged allegiance to this franchise back in 1972. I was 7 years old,what the hell did I know?!!?
jaysfan77
It’s not that bad bud, every team has some dark periods, hang in there! Lol
Sheep8
I live in Chicago and am a Cubs fan, so full transparency here. But Nola is correct, it is that bad for the Sox! They cannot commit to a full rebuild, but cannot commit to going all in buying players NY Yankees style, which means they are caught in the middle, which is the .500 the are at.
ChiSoxCity
Like a Cubs fan opinion matters to anyone. You idiots do nothing but criticize the Sox, even whrn they won the championship in ’06. What have the Cubs ever done that gives you the right to run your mouths? Nothing, which is exactly what their fans deserve. Most poser, racist, elitist, baseball-illiterate fans in all of baseball.
cubsfan2489
Hey moron, the Sox won in 05. Derrrrrrrrrrr
strike4
’06? Sox should move to Indianpolis, or OK City. They are a joke.
chicubbies85
you know the guy who bought the rights to your stadium is a Cubs fan?
HalosFan
You’ll get this response from a sox fan almost half the time they encounter a Cubs fan, stay class south side
One Fan
I disagree. They can commit to a rebuild. The theory the fans will abandon the team is nonesense! First the fans do not exactly come out to support the team now. Give them some young players to watch grow and your market the hope. The promise. The plan! But they have no plan. That is the problem.
Atlanta Braves Fan 4 Life
Yeah and the down arrow logo does not help either. I mean really, no one else with a better logo invest at a similar dollar amount? I am awestruck at their name and logo selection. SMH
Djones246890
As a Cubs fan, I genuinely feel sorry for Sox fans. I don’t even rub it it any of your faces. Jerry and his crony staff are all a joke that don’t care about the fans at all. Jerry just wants to keep enough bodies in the seats. A true rebuild is what this team needs, but he won’t allow it because it’ll cost him many shekels over the course of the next 5 years. Jerry loves money and his crony friends. That’s where his loyalties lie.
bearsfan49055
This is the worst run team in the majors!! They don’t have a clue.
chesteraarthur
it’s still not az bad. I think rick hahn would actually be a decent gm if he was actually allowed to be
stymeedone
There are worse teams than the White Sox. Tampa is the only financially strapped team in the East. The Angels can’t trade Trout and get back fair value, but can’t compete with just him. Arizona has Dave Stewart as a GM, proudly stating he is a decade or two behind the current trends. The Reds trade for players they can’t play, and can’t trade the players in the way. Hahn and Williams are just the worst in their division.
myaccount
I don’t think it’s Hahn at all, I think it’s Williams. Hahn seems to be more in the present while Williams is still relying on the stuff that won them a world series, what, 11 years ago?
Djones246890
You’re right. Hahn definitely is not the problem. He wants to do what the Cubs are doing, but Emperor Palpatine (Reinsdorf) and Darth Vader (Williams) won’t allow it.
southsidesox15
You are 100% correct. Hahn isn’t the problem.
The problem is Jerry and Kenny. Kenny still wants to be the GM and is constantly overriding everything Hahn tries to do. Jerry is not willing to admit that the team is bad and needs a rebuild. Hahn tried to trade Samardzija last year but got shot down by Jerry. Hahn tried to trade a few other players this year but got shot down again. Jerry just can’t face the truth.
Jerry’s major problem though is his blind loyalty to his former players. I admire the fact that he “takes care of his guys” but it’s ruining his franchise. He needs to stop running the team like a “mom and pop” shop and start running it like a real business. He’s willing to look past the obvious truth that some of his friends just aren’t doing their job and need to go like Ventura and Kenny and many of the coaching staff. He runs the Bulls the same way.
The only way this team will ever get good is if it gets a clean slate.
One Fan
Hahn is handcuffed. Arizona is worse but the White Sox are a close joke
sckoul
Bye Melky, Frazier, and shields. We need to just start bringing up the young talent we have. Going to veterans hasn’t helped.
chesteraarthur
Their problem is that they do not have young talent.
One Fan
What young talent would that be??
julyn82001
Under Ozzie’s they won the World Series… Well⁉️
jd396
I’m sure the Sox going 52-29 on the road and 35-19 in one-run games was all due to Ozzie’s masterful skills.
comebacktrail28
lol I love that the Article says take a middle course of some kind ……… That’s what this Team always does next year they’ll sign some more players who are 36 or 28 and haven’t had a good year since they were 22 and then July 31st will come along they’ll be 55-53 and say we need some more good players but gee golly we don’t have any prospects so let’s trade are garbage for a guy who is on down swing of career or try to catch lightning in a bottle ……. Just sign some good players in offseason even if you need to overpay if it works then they’ll be a good team if not then trade everyone and the players you signed to inflated salaries won’t really matter because everyone else will be off payroll
chesteraarthur
Yes, Jeff Todd seems to think this team is a contender year in and year out with their “major league assets” I believe, he calls them?
see the mlbttr chat for 8/25/2016
jotcast.com/chat?id=1547
Yet they keep the same core of talented ones and do absolutely nothing. This idea that a mediocre team should continue headstrong is the difference between why fangraphs is an interesting site and why mlbtr is tmz of baseball.
myaccount
“They keep the same core of talented ones and do absolutely nothing.”
What exactly is the suggestion here in how to approach the roster going forward? Because until you provide a convincing argument otherwise, I don’t see how Jeff is wrong in this instance. Chicago *does* have major league assets. Sale is arguably the second best pitcher in baseball. Quintana and Eaton are underrated, the latter very much so. Abreu can hit (and though his value had trended downward, he’s still an asset). Lawrie and Frazier belong in that meh category, but given the surrounding talent, are worthy of being starters on this team.
Yes, Chicago needs more offense and a deeper team, and rebuilding probably is the way to go, but if Williams would let Hahn work I think he could assemble a roster that’s more than halfway decent.
One Fan
Sorry comebacktrail that does not work as you say overpay for players and if it does not work then you just easily trade your garbage and you assume the other team just pays the rest of the bad contract huh? That is not how it works and that is not a plan
forklift1
do you guys remember that time Steve Sax got picked off and cost the Sox a big game in Cleveland?
lilojbone
I do remember when he got arrested because the police chief thought his arrest would solve all the unsolved murders in New York. That was mighty good police work.
lilojbone
The White Sox should build a Death Star
drum18
Should be some great storylines coming out of Chicago this offseason.
The White Sox will definitely be making MLBTR news and the Cubs will be well covered regardless.
That’s why this site is so great:
Baseball wire news.
Everyday.
A part of the game I love best.
Question: Is Frazier a trade candidate?
How about Sale/Quintana?
Blockbuster package of Frazier with latter or former?
strike4
Sox will probably sign A-Rod as they embark on another 3 year plan.
Djones246890
What exactly are they going to say? “Yup, our organization is a mess and everyone is not only on a different page, but we aren’t even reading the same book.”
That’s the truth, but they’ll never admit it. Everyone knows Jerry has the final say in everything and that Kenny is the one that calls most of the shots (still has to run it by Jerry, however, but they share the same failed philosophy).
I think Hahn has some Theo-like talent in him. However, the way Jerry runs the Sox, “GM” is basically a glorified press secretary and supervisor, who is only able to make minor moves, but still needs to even run those by Lord Jerry.