9:00pm: Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com also characterizes a deal as “unlikely,” reporting that the Phillies were asking for at least two young hitters in the deal — requiring that one be ready to immediately step into the Majors. As Salisbury notes, that would likely mean players such as Nomar Mazara, Joey Gallo, Lewis Brinson and Jurickson Profar came up in talks.
JULY 30, 8:15am: Despite the action on Velasquez, a deal is still considered unlikely, a source tells ESPN.com’s Jerry Crasnick (Twitter link).
JULY 29: 9:35pm: Things may be heating up between the Phillies and Rangers, as the teams are said to be in “pretty deep” trade talks regarding Velasquez, per a report from Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com. He adds that Jeremy Hellickson is also of interest to Texas, albeit as more of a secondary target.
7:56pm: The Rangers have scoured the market for starting pitching, ranging from controllable arms to rentals, so perhaps it isn’t surprising that the team has looked at Phillies righty Vince Velasquez — as MLB.com’s Jon Morosi reported recently on Twitter. While a deal still seems rather unlikely for the young hurler, reports tonight suggest that Texas is dedicating some real resources into making Velasquez an option, with other rumblings suggesting that the team could have other big targets in its sights as well.
The Rangers are “all over” the talented 24-year-old, per Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter links). He says that the team has done extensive diligence, though it has done the same for a variety of other major potential investments. Texas has multiple scouts on hand to watch Velasquez pitch tonight, MLB.com’s Todd Zolecki adds on Twitter, with Morosi tweeting that this suggests serious interest.
Velasquez has been enormously impressive this year, pitching to a 3.34 ERA with 10.1 K/9 against 3.3 BB/9. With just 86 days of MLB service entering the season, however, he’s got a ton of cheap control left. For the big-market Phillies, who’ll no doubt hope to ramp up their competitiveness in relatively short order, it’s impossible to imagine a deal coming together without a truly impressive array of talent coming in return.
Meanwhile, Texas has placed Jurickson Profar in left field for the first time tonight, as Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News notes (Twitter link). The Rays have eyes on that game, and Texas is among several organizations watching the Rays this evening with Jake Odorizzi on the hill, as Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times tweets.
Grant adds in another tweet that numerous other teams with pitching to sell also are scouting Texas. The Rangers’ top pitching targets remain Chris Sale of the White Sox and Chris Archer of the Rays, per MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan, though that could be said of many other organizations, too. Sullivan adds that progress from injured Texas pitchers could impact the team’s deadline plans.
Of course, you’ll find those kinds of reports regarding who is sitting in the stands for many other teams. After all, it’s extremely common for a variety of scouts from multiple teams to show up at any given game, so it’s tough to read too much into those reports.
Nevertheless, Grant notes on Twitter that the Brewers have scouts on hand to see the Rangers, which he says is unusual for Milwaukee. Texas still prefers to add pitching above all else, Grant tweets, but there’s a “more detailed exploration” of Lucroy underway. Presumably, the teams could also discuss pitching.
Given the wide variety of scenarios that all of the above information could suggest, it’s obviously best to turn a critical eye towards all the scuttlebutt. But it certainly seems that the Rangers are seeking to line up a major addition, with other organizations perhaps taking that possibility seriously enough to turn their own resources toward exploring the possibilities with a club that holds some impressive trade candidates at or near the major league level.
Ben0692
Give the White Sox Gallo Brinson Profar and Ortiz and they would accept
ImDaBaron
No they wouldnt. Profar is valuable…but not as valuable as you may think.
brandons-3
When you promote a top prospect, of course you want them to contribute at a high level from the get go, but usually their best seasons start to come once they have a couple years of experience at which point you’ve got a few more years of team control. In Profar’s case, once he’s truly broken in, he’ll be a free agent. Of course, you could trade him while he’s actually healthy.
stymeedone
I’m sure the White Sox would accept those players, especially since your just giving them away and not asking for anything in return. Major League Baseball may frown on the move, however. Sale is not going anywhere, and I doubt that is enough to get Quintana.
Selkies
I’m not Rick Hahn but it would take a severe overpayment of…
– Nomar Mazara
– Joey Gallo
– Jurickson Profar
– Yohander Mendez
– Connor Sadzeck
– Andy Ibanez
For me to pull the trigger, especially with the going rate at this deadline. Obviously though, I’m biased. I don’t wanna come off like that Braves Chris dude but this is what I’d like to see us get in return for Sale.
Brixton
I’d move Velasquez for one of Gallo or Odor plus some pitching (maybe one of Luis Ortiz or Dillon Tate plus another SP prospect, Mendez or ChiChi?)
Obviously the price is going to be through the roof.
ThePriceWasRight
why you value Gallo and odor on the same level is beyond me. one guy has power but no batting eye. the other is a likely 20 20 guy who can hit 270 at a prime position.
justinkm19
Has 20 already
justinkm19
Make that 21 after his 2HR game tonight
Brixton
Because he can’t walk and isn’t that good defensively. Both players have holes.
nolannowitzki
If odor is traded for velazquez it is odor that would be the headliner not vinny. Odor is a 22 year old middle infielder that will probably hit 35 bombs this year. I mean think about that, he is 22 years old and has massive pop.
Brixton
I mean, he can’t buy a walk or play average defense at 2B… Gallo alone has more value than Odor. Hes a middle of the pack 2B in the league.
WetPaint
You’ve obviously never seen odor play. Almost 80% of his errors have happened this month, all while the teams been playing poorly as a whole. One month will not put his defensive capabilities “below average” not in a 162 game season
GeauxRangers
I’d rather Odor not be able to buy a walk than Gallo not being able to buy a hit
cardsfanboy
Velasquez
For
Gallo
Profar
Brinson
Tate
Should get it done
Brixton
Lower your expectations a few lol
cardsfanboy
Wanna bet
Connorsoxfan
Drop Profar and you’ll be shooting just a little high.
rouschpuppy
No need to trade Vinny, that is literally the price. Maybe add a throw in similar to the Giles deal in Arauz, but no doubt nothing less is going through philly’s mind.
stl_cards16 2
You either work in the Phillies front office, or don’t know what literally means.
jleve618
Lay off the drugs brah.
rouschpuppy
It’s just what I speculate man, a young, controllable high-ceiling arm that’s performing well, in a sellers market where Texas has no leverage to a reason why Philly would deal Vinny, and pitching is at a high price. Some combo Maz, Gallo, Brinson, Ortiz, Profar and some filler is going to philly if this deal works out, so I’m “literally” saying that it’s gonna be an over pay if Texas wants him
nolannowitzki
pass what your smokin to me rousch.
Bob M.
Im sorry when you look at years of control and currently where things stand… Mazara is of equal value as Vince Velasquez. VV has been worth 2 fWAR over 90 innings and Mazara has been worth 1.3… in all actuality Mazara has had trouble adjusting to the scouting. I dont think Mazara is enough.
JoePauer
That’s an extreme overpay man. That’s a Sale level offer. Velasquez has yet to throw over 100 IP in a Major League season, so there’s still a bit left for him to prove.
tac3
For VV, I’d want Odor. You can have Gallo instead. If I have to throw more in, fine, but I’m not leaving the table without Odor. .277 with 19 hrs … as 2B, I’ll take that for a potential Ace/Strong #2 that is controllable so you can add a FA in the OF to make up for the lost offense. Keep in mind this offseason, is crap in terms of SP. I’d throw hellickson in the deal too, to give you a nice, bump.
VV, Hellickson, Gomez, and Ruiz could be a haul for you guys. will see. if anything gets done again. A lot of Phils chips in one deal, but they are replaceable to us.
nolannowitzki
@tac3 make that 21 homers for odor, he hit two bombs tonight.. AND he will be 22 years old this entire season. Not sure why his name never gets mentioned with the games young future superstars.
Bob M.
because he walks 2 percent of the time an OBP under .300 isnt worth very much.
nolannowitzki
32-35 homers for a 22 year old second baseman? screw your walks give me odor
BoldyMinnesota
His ops is only 108, which is good but nowhere near superstar status
bixology
Man, the more I read this post, the more you keep negotiating against yourself.
justinkm19
No, just no
WetPaint
Lmao no,
ezrider
That’s a bit of a stretch but might require the Phils kicking in Gomez and Ruiz.
WetPaint
Nah. You’re way in over your head.
fighterflea
Texas keep your Odor, Mazara and Gallo but it will still cost
Velasquez, Jeanmar Gomez and Cody Asche for
Profar, Brinson, Ortiz, Mendez, Matuella and Holland (salary dump)
connorreed
I agree this is a blatant overpay for VV, but I also agree I don’t see it happening unless the Rangers put together a package like this. The Phillies have no reason to trade him at all, especially with Nola’s recent struggles. He’s part of their plan to contend in a few years, so I don’t see it happening unless it’s a clear win for them.
I’d say that if Profar and Gallo were included, the add-in’s would be something like:
(1) top pitching prospect (Yohander Mendez or Luis Ortiz)
(2) a mid-level hitting prospect (Ronald Guzman, Andy Ibanez, Ryan Cordell, etc.)
(3/4) one or two interesting pitching prospects (along the lines of Ariel Jurado, Michael Matuella, Jose Leclerc, Pedro Peyano, Connor Sadzeck, etc.).
If only one of Profar or Gallo was included, the package would probably need to be something like:
(2) Brinson
(3) Ortiz or Mendez
(4) Tate
(5/6) another two solid prospects (Guzman, Ibanez, Cordell, Ragans, Jurado, Morgan, etc.)
And I didn’t forget about Tate when talking about top pitching prospects. With his struggles – both before the draft and as a 22 year old in A Ball, I think his stock has dropped significantly lower than both Ortiz and Mendez (who’s inflated his big time this season).
In all honesty, the Rangers seem to love VV, but it seems like they’d be better off just adding Brinson and Tate to the first deal and going after someone like Sale instead of trying to pry away a guy who the Phillies actually have a need for.
Ezlove
Add archer he is most likely a bit cheaper than sale, so you won’t have to give up mazara
sidewinder11
No way Philly moves Velasquez unless at least one of Gallo/Profar/Mazara and either Mendez or Ortiz are in the deal. And that’s probably too steep a price for Texas given that he’s been in the bigs for less than a year and has very little track record
Donnie B
Valasquez, Ruiz, Asche & Joseph for Odor, Mendez and Gallo.
tac3
What more would you give to have Rupp swapped in for Ruiz? He arguably could have been an Allstar this first half….?
Matt Galvin
Replace Joesph with Howard and add Gomez. Odor out because Philies don’t need a 2B. Also maybe Tate in deal.
ringozappa
Phillies don’t need a 2b!? Are you saying galvis or Hernandez is the long term plan at 2b? That’s bonkers
madmanTX
Everybody wants Odor. Guaranteed he isn’t on the table.
cbf82
Its funny seeing his name mentioned so much. Hes not untouchable but hes not going anywhere either!! He is gonna be a stud for years to come, plus he is a legend forever in DFW
madmanTX
Exactly. Yes, Profar could take over at 2B, but why would the Rangers subtract an important everyday position player and add him as part of an overpay?
wag2
Yeah he definitely is a fan favorite after the punch heard round the world, the fans love him and I’m sure JD is even happier that he has him on his team. Odor won’t go anywhere anytime soon, Profar is the one that would be traded, not Odor
Sixersfan4
Velasquez for Gallo, Profar, and Chi Chi
kencaminiti
Velasquez isn’t worth Odor. No contending team would trade away a useful piece. People suggesting Odor are clueless. Velasquez is an injury waiting to happen
betterthanu
Right. It would take odor plus a prospect. That’s just consensus. Ace vs a above average 2b. I get your a delusional homer but Comon
justinkm19
Odor isn’t going anywhere. Certainly not for Velasquez
pgel13
Odor isn’t going anywhere.
jleve618
If the Phillies trade Velasquez for anything short of a kings ransom I don’t know what I’d do. Even then. It just doesn’t make sense.
double
Trading Velasquez makes no sense for the Phillies. If they do, they’ll need to trade for pitching because it’ll be their big weakness. They’d probably end giving up more for Velasquez’s replacement than they’d get in any deal from Texas.
adshadbolt
Gallo, Chi Chi, Taveras, Ibanez or Guzman, and Speas for Velasquez and rupp.
AidanVega123
Probably one of the more logical trade propositions in this comment section
flyerzfan12
I wasn’t surprised a few days ago when it was reported that the Rangers had interest, I mean who wouldn’t? But I figured it was just that, interest and the Phillies were just doing the right thing in listening like you would for any player.
This latest report makes it sound a lot more serious. Velasquez is definitely the type of piece you keep if you’re a rebuilding team like the Phillies but then again, if the Rangers wanna overpay for him then you’ve gotta pull the trigger. I know his history of injuries concerns people and is reason enough to listen to offers.
And I agree with the above posters. Odor’s inclusion in any deal would make no sense from Texas’ side and isn’t happening.
cbf82
A Ranger trade is happenig tonight, i can feel it in my bones!!! Probably gonna pull an all nighter tonight! Got plenty of Cerveza! Lets go Texas, in JD we trust!!!
jleve618
I wish I could upvote, there is so much about this comment that I like.
cbf82
You Sir, seem like a very smart individual and a winner! I raise this beer to you!!
jleve618
I’ve taken some time to let the possibility sink in. If it happens, I’ll just look at it as we got that much more in return for Ken Giles. At least that’s what I’ll try and tell myself.
The_Porcupine
I get going for a young, high upside pitcher. But doesn’t Texas need someone more reliable and proven? To me, this is the kind of trade you make in the offseason, not at the trade deadline. From the Phillies side, I think this only gets done if they get an overwhelming package of players in return (equal or better than the package for Giles).
Brixton
Selling high on VV, that is what I like. I’d sell high on Neris too.
ammiel
I think a bad contract dump could be part of this, like Andrus/Mazara for VV. Gallo and Profar arent that much better than the infield that is already longterm set for phillies: 1b Joseph 2b Hernandez 3b Franco. Profar could come into it, to be longterm SS. But i doubt the Phils would want to take 2 SS.
Brixton
Phillies #1 prospect, (#3 on MLB’s list) is JP Crawford, a soon-to-be MLB shortstop. Hes like a month away
jleve618
We have our ss of the future. 2b I’m not so sure.
Donnie B
We have Kingery at AA (Reading) and Tobias at A (Williamsport) – but Kingery just started his AA stint, most likely not ready til 2018.
But our Players at AA are indeed inspiring:
1B) Hoskins – .285. / 71 R / 30 HR / 95 RBI / 4 SB – 100 G
2B) Kingery – .295 / 64 R / 4 HR /33 RBI / 26 SB – 99 G
C) ALFARO – .294 / 53 R / 12 HR / 53 RBI / 2 SB – 73 G
OF) Pullin – .325 / 41 R / 9 HR / 38 RBI / 58 G
OF) Quinn – .295 / 47 R / 3 HR / 16 RBI / 28 SB – 54 G
OF) Cozens – .279 / 82 R / 26 HR / 88 RBI / 17 SB – 99 G
Brixton
Cozens is overrated (also see: Hoskins)
Quinn can’t stay healthy
Pullin is on an unsustainable hot streak
Hoskins plays in arguably the most hitter friendly environment, so expect regression
I like Kingery and Alfaro though
Donnie B
Cozens is just 22, Hoskins is just 23, Pullin is 22, Quinn is 23 and playing again, batting .400 since his return.- al have time to keep improving.
Williams is 22 and Crawford 21
flyerzfan12
In no world is Cesar Hernandez the future 2B of the Phillies
tejas
Velasquez for Gallo, Martin Perez, Brinson.
gammaraze
You’ve got the Rangers selling REALLY low on their guys if you think that’s anything close to fair. The top free agent starting pitchers this year aren’t really much better than Perez. Unless you have a crystal ball that guarantees Velazquez is going to be a true ace, Gallo and Brinson are way too much to get 2 extra years of control over a pitcher that might not be any better than the one you’re sending out.
Brixton
VV and JHell for Gallo, Ortiz and Andy Ibanez
conaboya
That’s an insult
Brixton
To who?
aff10
Seems pretty fair to me honestly. Not sure who he’s a fan of
betterthanu
There’s almost no interest in Gallo. Mendoza line avg with power and 300 strikeouts. VV is a thoroughbred. Love the white trash Texas homers. Hilarious stuff. Back to menial manual labor.
cardsfanboy
Pretty sure it’s
Profar/Tate/Mendez
cardsfanboy
JP Crawford at SS, Franco at 3B, Profar at 2B, for the next 10 years…………
Bob M.
except Profar is already arbitration eligible at the end of the season. All those years on the DL were service time. Tate has been down right bad. Profar, Brinson and Mendez. Profar has 2 years less control than VV. Not to mention, the Rangers have very little leverage over teams right now when they seek pitching. They are not going to make the playoffs with the current rotation.
Brixton
Thats lots of value, but I’d still be disappointed with that.
cardsfanboy
I think philly could lock him up to a team friendly deal after all he has been through.
I could see Profar/Brinson/Mendez
An OF of Williams/Brinson/Cozens….
Brixton
Odubel Herrera, Aaron Altherr, Brinson, Williams and maybe even Quinn if he could ever stay healthy, are all infact, much much much better than Dylan Cozens
cardsfanboy
Cozens having a breakout year. I believe in him..
Brixton
K’s in a 3rd of his ABs, can’t hit lefties and isn’t much of a defender outside of his cannon. Platoon bat at best. Give me Odubel, Williams and Brinson over him any day. If you’d take him over Altherr, that’s fair, but I love Aaron Altherr more than any OFer in the Phillies system/big league time (excluding Moniak, but hes in ROK)
cardsfanboy
Outside of his cannon, easily dismissed. He has gotten better. He will continue to get better. I love his progress
Brixton
Dom Brown also had a cannon. He still can’t hit lefties and Ks every 3rd AB
cozens2017roy
Wow this would be gutsy by Klentac but what if it is Gallo, Ortiz, Mendez and Sadzeck and Matuella. he’d have to go for it!
cbf82
lol
cozens2017roy
Fair enough Take Ortiz out and leave the other 4… Would we be close? Counter offer?
cbf82
VV is unproven. I would be fine with Gallo being the headliner but unless PHI is throwing in another quality reliever Ortiz and Mendez are probably off the table
cozens2017roy
In this market with PHI not particularly motivated to trade him I think it would require 2 top 75 prospects +.
tac3
I’m not sure the Rangers and Phillies matchup as well as some people think. I can see a play for Odor or Profar. Hernadez currently at 2B is not looking like an everyday core player, Bench sure, but if its between him and Galvis. I keep galvis for his D, and add a Profar or Odor to improve the power in the lineup, sure the avg might dip, but Hernadez is not looking apart of the future. Then the Phillies have Kingery and Cantelo to add in another trade for other pieces.. The Phillies have a fair amount of OF propsects at this point, so I’m not so sure Gallo is a fit. Franco is at 3B, he isn’t being moved with Hoskins making his way up the ranks, and Jospeh cranking it so far at the MLB level. That puts Gallo in the OF. He hits majestic homeruns… but is a K machine from what Rangers fans say. He has some developing to do still, which is fine, but I fear he is more a bust in terms of what his projections where and what he is turnig out to be. I’m not interested in a 30hr payer who struggles to bat above .245 in the majors. Homerun or bust, no thank you. Plus we already have Williams a few weeks away, Cozens, Randolph, Moniak coming down the pike, with Altherr up now…. Goddell could also develop. When you really project…. the phillies are in a very enviable position, they have talent developing at the MLB Level with a top minor league system ready to replace players for trading…. plus a near zero team payroll for the 2018 offseason… I see them making a serious run at whoever hits the market…. Like say a Bryce Harper. or anyone of the other monster FA. So again, I’m not sure Gallo fits.. To get VV you gotta give something good.. Right now, the Phillies have the sweetners to add…. Gomez could help beef up the bullpen, Hamels could be reunited with Ruiz… You might even be able to pry Rupp away for upping the level and number of prospects. Lots of possibilities to help get the trade done.
I gotta ask, are the Rangers packing it in for this year and retooling or Going for bust? Cause holding onto the Gallo and Marzo makes sense for the rangers to retool, but the pitching market is terrible FA … might be a good time for them to go all in ? Doesn’t make sense unless they want to overpay for a chance at this years playodds, but to really get ahead on the offseason. Crazy Crazy in my book. I’m surprised you guys have anything left after last years Hamels trade. I’m not overly excited about it at this point. Phils are in the drivers seat,Rangers are the beggers at this point. Phils can stay the course if the Rangers don’t want to meet whatever the overpayment is.
bricklesnar
Agree with most of what you have here.
I can’t quite figure how VV should be valued but it will certainly be rather high..
That said, the Rangers roster/prospects overlap in an unfortunate way for the Rangers. I suspect the phillies value Gallo lower than most but it is hard to make a trade that makes sense without him. I can’t see Odor or anyone else on the MLB roster moving so I just dont see a good trade that is not “Take 3-4 really good prospects’ which seems like a lot.
bixology
Anything deal should start with profit and Gallo and then some. Why does anyone think Gallo still has much flier. He’s a high risk high reward gamble at this point. Odor is obviously untouchable, and mazara is too if rangers have sense, so it has to start with Gallo and Profar. Not sure why any of the Philadelphia fans above are advocating philly include more. Have you seen this market? Have you seen what aril dos and Shelby Miller netted? I hope your not responsible for major decisions at your jobs.
cardsfanboy
Gallo is worthless. Russell Branyan 2.0
halos101
just cause you saw one scout call him that lol
cozens2017roy
No way we’re getting Mazara or Odor. If the Rangers were willing to do that they’d get Sale. Maybe this is all a Sale leverage play. A lineup of Crawford, Herrera, Franco, Gallo (LF), Joseph 1B, Alther or Williams in RF, Rupp C looks pretty good and that’s before the Cozens. Alfaro, Hoskins; Quinn etc. reinforcements come in..
cardsfanboy
Gallo is not worth much. You don’t want him.
Brixton
Why not…? Hes on top prospect lists for a reason. He doesn’t need to hit .300 to be a great offensive player. He has 30-40 HR pop and walks a ton. Even if he Ks 180 times a year, still a good bat to gamble on, plus they could get other pieces (i LOVE Andy Ibanez as a 2B)
cardsfanboy
K’s 180 times a year, try more like 220, he will hit .220 with 30hr. And isn’t very good defensively
tac3
I’m starting to sour on Gallo, he’s been at the top off the prospect list for a long while, I see the Rangers trying to cash in on him while his value is still high. He took a decent dip in the top 100 this year, not that the exerts are always right, but I’d put some stock into that. Kinda like how some phils fans are worried about VV’s arm. I’d like to see what other trade partners have to offer, I feel like the Phisl got a lot of good rangers prospects last year. If they do make the trade, the Phils and Rangers fans should get half off admission for each others staduiums.. basically The Texas Phillies and the Philadelphia Rangers at that point.
cozens2017roy
Yeah he has risk but he is rated high because his power shows some Adam Dunn, Ryan Howad (In their prime) Chris Davis or even blossom into Anthony Rizzo. Making the adjustment to a 90-100 walk pace at AAA is pretty encouraging for a 22 year old. Velazquez carries similar risk and I don’t think it would be an even swap some high ceiling pitching would come too.
cbf82
I think most Ranger fans are ready to ship Gallo out but we keep having nightmares of Chris Davis! Meanwhile we kept Justin Smoak and Mitch Moreland…
PhilliesFan012
Justin smoak didn’t stay long, only half a season. Could also remember other depressing prospects like German Duran, Brandon Boggs, Travis metcalf and Teagarden *shudders* hopefully Gallo and Brinson and mazzara don’t fall into those categories
cbf82
hahaha Teagarden, geez
halos101
this deals gotta be big if Phillies are willing to give him up. cannot wait to see who Phillies get if it gets done
cardsfanboy
It would not suprise me to see Profar, Brinson,Ortiz or Mendez.
That’s a lot, but VV has about as high ceiling as any SP on the market at a CHEAP salary…. It will cost……
eric e.
VV is a good pitcher with a high ceiling but for people thinking he alone is worth Gallo, Profar, and Brinson…you are legit lost. I think one of Gallo or Profar might go in return but to get anything else, there would need to be other pieces. VV has had arm issues, has never pitched more than 100 innings and will be restricted at some point, and due to him being a pitcher, he will have higher arbitration raises. Gallo is coveted in baseball these days because power plays…strike outs are a byproduct and unimportant to most. If I’m Texas, I go after VV and Hellickson and send Profar, Chi Chi, and Brinson. Anything more than that is a pipe dream.
cozens2017roy
It’s possible the Phils prefer Profar but I think they’d Roll the dice with Gallo. They have a lot of Chi-Chi types but not many hard throwing #2 ceiling types which is what they’d be trading in Velazquez. So I would be on board with Gallo and a solid package of pitching prospects. If Hellickson or Gomez have to be included to round it out so be it. However based on the Cashner trade, Hellockson alone is worth a top 100 ish
tac3
I disagree. The Phils aren’t your typical trade partner… just happy to get a decent to good return. In this case, they are looking for an overpayment. If JD wants to “dance”, He’s going to pay. I think he’s looking forward to not just the deadline, but available FA….. there’s slop out there. If he wants to add VV, its going to cost them. Personallly, I think he is going to balk at the price. Its going to take two of Marzo,Profar,Odor, and Gallo. It just is. The Phils FO is in a high leverage position, they will use it, or they simply keep VV for their own rebuild. No sweat to them.. In the end, they are probaby just peacocking…. for what an overpayment for hellickson would be, but laying the ground work for the offseason. Maybe JD thinks VV can make a run with the roster and does an overpayment for the extra 2 months he’s have him vs starting next season. Its interesting, but theyre probably peacocking
flyerzfan12
Most of this seems logical to me. I definitely think the Phillies are doing the right thing in listening and know they don’t have to make a move so like you said, it’ll take an overpayment for the Rangers to pry VV loose.
PhilliesFan012
I don’t want him traded. He should be a big part of this future with Nola, eickoff and Thompson. Don’t see the need.. They can compete with him next year
pleydet
I hope that they do not trade him as well, but if they do it will be a substantial return.
I believe some of the people on here are underestimating the value of a young controllable pitcher that projects at the top of a rotation. I am hoping that it is not headlined by Gallo, because he reminds me of a AAAA prospect.
double
Some Ranger fans are like “He’s not all that. And he has an injury history. We shouldn’t give up much for him.” Velasquez was untouchable and Daniels wants him. He clearly will give up a lot for him.
So people reel off a list of Ranger prospects without asking whether they are players the Phillies would want or where they fit in. It’s as if Velasquez is an impending free agent and the Phillies will take whatever they can get. If the Rangers are trading for their need, wouldn’t the Phillies ask for something they need? Why trade for prospects, no matter how good, if they won’t get a chance to play?
Sure, you could trade the prospects you acquire for something you need. Say a guy like Vincent Velasquez.
tac3
Agreed. Ranger fans are overvaluing. They can afford to trade one of Profar or Odor. Obviously Profar is the one going in the deal. Then its a matter of how many more of the Rangers prospects, and phillies pieces go. A lot of combination can go around. The Phils FO is looking to pick JDs pockets. Its not going to be for a so so package. There is no need. The Rangers will pay.
Profar, Brixton, Ortiz, and Tate, for VV and Hellickson. May swap Gallo and another prospect in there for Brixton. depending on whatelse goes in the deal from the Phillies side. Is it crazy, insane? Sure, but thats the price.
Rangers fans gotta realize the Phils have a top farm system, players on the MLB team that are developing, and very low team salary …. in a large market… with a cable deal about to kick in. They can buy whoever they want in 2018. Thats the time frame they are looking at. Whatever they get will likely be flipped to restock the farm at that time. Phis are in a great spot. Take VV or leave him, its going to cost a ton.
Brixton
Why are they trading me though? I throw a mean slider
pleydet
Haha.. I think he means Brinson
astros_fan_84
I’ve enjoyed reading these comments. I think Rangers fans are overvaluing their prospects and underselling the value of a high ceiling pitcher with 5.5 years of control. The Phillies should get a better than Ken Giles return.
Brinson, Profar, Tate, and Gallo – expect three of the four to go, or at least 2 with 3 or more lottery tickets.
If the Rangers make this deal, I think they should push to add in Hellickson as insurance. For the Phillies, if those big four are on the table, they should add in whatever is necessary to make the deal happen.
astros_fan_84
This is sort of a non story, as Norris can’t hit this year.
I think the Astros may go after him in the offseason if they can get him cheap.
frg214
VV, Hellickson, Gomez, Ruiz
For
Gallo, Tate, sadzeck, matuella, Ibanez, Holland(Salary dump)
thebare
Why do the Rangers keep Robbing the Phillies and the let it happen this is you number 1 stud philly for a couple years or more ?
betterthanu
They got 3 top 100 prospects for a 32 yr old ace. Pretty fair. I love watching the Texas window close. Back to your construction job. Texas is like a 3rd world country. Such low class trash
Pjzza
If they’re not willing to give up ONE of those four as a centerpiece, they shouldn’t expect to get a young, talented and cost-controlled pitcher in a trade. Everyone wants something for nothing and fails to realize 9.99 times out of 10 you have to gice up talent to get talent.
oofa
When looking at this trade idea, you have to look past Velasquez’s stats and look at other important details. He’s 24, costs relatively nothing until 2021 and has electric stuff. However, he runs up high pitch counts, is injury prone and is mediocre so far on the road. Also take into consideration the big similarity between Philly and Texas’ stadiums: they’re both band boxes. I mention this because Vinny has a sub 1.75 ERA at CBP.
As for my trade proposal, it’s a wild one. Texas needs starting pitching, bullpen help and a catcher and Philly would love to add more propspects, especially power hitting variations and middle infielders. So for my trade proposal
Texas acquires:
Vincent Velasquez, Jeremy Hellickson, Jeanmar Gomez, Hector Neris, Cameron Rupp and Cody Asche
Philly acquires:
Jurickson Profar, Lewis Brinson, Yohander Mendez, Chi Chi Gonzalez, Andy Ibanez, Michael Matuella, Joey Gallo, Brett Martin, Jonathan Hernandez and Brett Nicholas
oofa
I can understand the reply that Texas is giving too much, but know that Hector Neris could fetch a top prospect, Hellickson and Gomez are highly coveted this deadline, Rupp is a serviceable catcher with power and Asche snags one low level prospect.
betterthanu
Gallo is a softball all star. No value whatsoever
Backatitagain
Julio Teheran could be available to the Rangers along with their pick of relief pitcher (Cabrera, Vizcaino, Withrow, Cervenka, Krol, Johnson or O’Flaherty) for Joey Gallo, Lewis Brinson and either Louis Ortiz or Dillon Tate.
nrd1138
Sale is likely not going anywhere. If the Rangers will not give up those guys for Velasquez I doubt they will for Sale. I doubt Quintana goes for any less than that as well.