MLB commissioner Rob Manfred had a wide-ranging conversation with reporters today in San Diego. Here’s a little of what he had to say, via Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times (Twitter links: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8), Bleacher Report’s Scott Miller (1 2 3), David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (1) and John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle.
- Manfred lists the number of African-American players (currently 8%, although he says 20% of recent first-round draft picks have been African-American) as a significant concern. “This is an economic imperative for us,” he says, noting that, as the US becomes increasingly diverse, MLB must strive for diversity as well. On a somewhat related note, Manfred also said that the lack of a Latino manager in the game right now was “glaring.”
- MLB will not consider expanding until the Rays and Athletics get their stadium issues resolved, Manfred says. Manfred sounds determined to keep a team in Oakland, however. “I am committed to Oakland as a major league site,” he says. If the A’s were to depart, “we would be looking backwards and saying we made a mistake.” He adds that he thinks the Oakland market will be increasingly appealing going forward. “I think the growth in that area, the way the growth has moved up into San Francisco, I think Oakland is more likely than not to be a better market five years from now than it is today,” he says.
- Perhaps unsurprisingly, Manfred said he was confident that labor talks this offseason would not result in a strike or lockout.
- Of the current clamor to raise wages for minor league players (which has included a class-action lawsuit brought by former minor leaguers), Manfred says, “Excessive regulation could have a really dramatic impact on the size of minor league baseball,” seemingly suggesting that increased wages might result in the folding of some minor league teams.
- It sounds like Manfred expects some form of draft pick compensation for free agents to continue into the next Collective Bargaining Agreement — he says owners would be making a “major concession” if draft-pick compensation were to be dropped.
- It sounds like Manfred did not come out in support of an international draft today quite as strongly as he has in the past, but he did say MLB needs “a more transparent operating system in the international player acquisition process.”
- Manfred admits that the current 162-game schedule is tough on players, and says players and owners are currently discussing ways to reduce the difficulty of the season by optimizing game times and improving teams’ travel schedules. Of the possibility of reducing the number of games, however, he says, “You want to work less, generally you get paid less.”
- The league has not received enough information from law enforcement to decide whether Pirates third baseman Jung Ho Kang, who has been accused of sexual assault, should be placed on administrative leave.
chound
Best I can offer up is…. I don’t care what race the player is, I just want the best player”s”.
baseball10
Exactly. Where’s the push for white American players in the NBA? It just cant be as easy as the best players play. Not trying to get into nba vs mlb but everyone is fine with black americans and foreign players dominating rosters in the NBA. It doesn’t make sense to force it
jmgara
I think what he’s saying is, essentially, that he wants to reverse the decline of black MLB players by encouraging growth in inner city youth leagues which also have been in decline. These leagues helped to keep top athletes in baseball instead of losing them to football and basketball which has been happening for a couple of decades now. In a sense, it’s going back to what used to happen — it’s not a new idea.
stl_cards16 2
Right. It’s more of a class divide than a race divide. If you’re seen as a good baseball player, it’s very expensive with camps, travel ball etc.
chound
So is football and for all the same reasons.
pustule bosey
there needs to be more than just boosting league participation, there needs to be some sort of funding for participants. You can get kids playing youth baseball but if they can’t succeed because they can’t participate in tournament vs. middle to high income kids it just means you’ll have a lot of kids play baseball and in the end still drop out to play football or basketball because the entry bar is lower
tsolid 2
Of course the BEST players are gonna be on the ML rosters. Not one sentence said otherwise. All is being talked about is getting/keeping guys in the game at a young age. It’s PURE ignorance to suggest the best players won’t be represented, or white players will lose their jobs to guys with less talent. No wonder there can’t ever be an honest conversation on the matter.
mjbissonn
The push is not to create some sort of affirmative action program that mandates teams roster racial and ethnic minorities. The push is to encourage young players of color to play and continue to play baseball into their middle and high school years. With the cost of travel leagues, etc. for kids in this age band, many low-income families (a disproportionate number of which are African American) simply can’t afford to have their kids continue playing baseball. Baseball misses out on a lot of talent this way. Andrew McCutchen had a piece on this last year over at The Players Tribune. It’s worth the read.
BlueSkyLA
@mjbissonn. You have this exactly right. We will see a lot of knee-jerk urges expressed, but in truth MLB is talking about how they market the game for maximum profits into the future and not leaving any paying customers behind. For anyone who thinks it is not ultimately about money, you have something else coming to you. Probably a lot of things (which we don’t need to get into here).
whereslou
Part of the deal with the young African American kids is they can play basketball or football and go to school for a year or three depending on the sport and be making a ton of money. In baseball even if they come out of high school they are more than likely 7-8 years before they make big money except for a small handful. So why not go out and make the big money faster than having to wait besides the problems stated above?
mjbissonn
NCAA rules hurt baseball in this regard too. College baseball teams get something like 11.5 or 12 scholarships to spread out over their whole roster, so nearly all the players get partial scholarships. While I don’t remember the numbers off hand, I do know that both college football and basketball teams rosters comprise primarily of players on full scholarships. Given those realities, it would behoove any talented, underprivileged kid to focus on football or basketball over baseball. Again, baseball misses out on a lot of talent this way.
This is all a really big problem, and I’m glad the commissioner is committed to addressing it.
vinscully16
MLB is trumpeting that social engineering love song yet again. I like the NBA comparison above, well said. To me this topic rings of guilt driven, politically correct, moral high ground drivel. So tired of political correctness. The best players play, enough with this social engineering nonsense.
tsolid 2
It rings that way b/c you’re ignorant
therealryan
Obviously it’s guilt and political correctness gone awry for the head of a multi billion dollar sport to claim he wants to get more of the top athletes to play his sport. Just like the moral high ground drivel we hear from the CEOs of billion dollar tech companies when they say they want to hire the smartest and best computer engineers and programmers they can find. I can’t believe all this time I thought that was just smart business. Thank you for enlightening me Vin.
Niekro
Saying black people are superior athletes is a pretty racist statement that has been around so long its accepted as gospel. Every race has athletes, including latino and asian both who are under represented in every sport in this country.
tsolid 2
Please inform us WHERE you Read it on this thread that Blacks are superior athletes?? I read “Losing out on some of the better athletes”. People like you that twist words to fit YOUR narrative is really depressing.
ABCD
I think the denominator is incorrect when calculating that 8% of MLB players are African-American. The denominator should be American MLB players. If it’s done that that way, then the African-American major leaguer % is more in line with the African-American % of U.S. population. And if it’s not enough black players that they’re worried about, aren’t many of the players from Latin America and the Caribbean black?
tsolid 2
WOW
pustule bosey
no, I mean to a certain degree I understand what he is talking about when it comes to latin players – it is kind of silly that if a player came from haiti of african descent he is a black player but of he were across the border in the dominican he is a latin player – that being said it doesn’t diminish that we need more african american representation in baseball at all levels as well as female and LGBT representation. If they can compete they shouldn’t be scared off of diverted elsewhere, talent is talent and it should all be represented.
mrkinsm
It’s really not incorrect. 75% of all major leaguers are American born and over 60% of them are white. The other 25% come from about a dozen countries, the vast majority are hispanic speaking and descendants of freed slaves & mestizos.
The fact stands African American representation in the bigs has steadily declined for nearly 30 years.
hozie007
Rob Manfred is a problem for Major League Baseball, particularly when it comes to the draft. As a labor lawyer he has always advocated fundamental changes to the compensation system for drafted players with a scale that limits how much drafted players can make depending on where they are picked. Why? These things correct themselves. Let teams offer what they want and if the player declines, he can circle back a year or so later when he is eligible and enter the draft again……or not. If the team gets burned on paying too much for a pick, they will adjust in the following years. Not every draft pick is a success and not every pick is a failure.
A'sfaninUK
Let me guess: you are a fan of the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets or Dodgers.
Lanidrac
It’s not an issue about proper compensation of the newly drafted players. It’s an issue of keeping the rich teams from dominating the draft talent like they used to do before this was instituted.
astros_should_be_fortyfives
You are wrong about manfred.
hashtagbeatlaclothing
It’s important that we don’t sacrifice quality of the sport over political correctness. It should always be the best players playing, regardless of race.
mrkinsm
This is correct, that’s why MLB should do everything in it’s power to see to it that every young man in this country (black, white, whatever) has the opportunity to play the game. It makes the product better and expands the viewership.
geejohnny
Whether or not mlb deals with Kang soon, it’s definitely effecting his play on the field. Looks lost at the plate recently.
A'sfaninUK
Glad Manfred is dedicated to keeping the A’s in Oakland, so many people have been priced out of San Francisco and it looks like Oakland is going to be just as rich in a couple years if not already. Luckily its bigger so it won’t be as awful as SF, where people making 6 figures live in poverty. I’d posit that the Rays should move to San Jose, as SJ is not connected by BART and has more people than SF and Oakland combined, it would be amazing to see the Bay Area be this huge MLB hub – the weather works perfectly and there’s tons of people/money – the Bay can definitely afford 3 teams, no doubt in my mind.
BoldyMinnesota
I agree San Jose should have a team, but isnt San Francisco not allowing a team to be moved there
Ray Ray
I disagree. San Jose’s population has a relatively short drive to see either NL or AL baseball. There are many other places in the country that do not have the luxury of one let alone two teams within easy driving distance. If you move the Rays west, Portland would be the best spot. That is a big market that supports has a rabid fanbase for their AAA team (and the Blazers of course) and one would imagine and MLB team would thrive there.
Kayrall
I definitely agree that San Jose is not the best location unless it was the Athletics shifting there. Plus, California already has 5 teams.
On the topic of expansion/relocation speculation, I really want to see Montreal come back. It would also be pretty neat for Vancouver to get a team. It would bring parity to both regions and offer Seattle some potential rivalry. Las Vegas is another great option too.
Lanidrac
Can Montreal support a team, though? The Expos moved to Washington because they were only drawing four figures in attendance for each home game. Even the Rays do much better than that! That’s a decline that can’t be explained by just having a lousy team in an old stadium.
mrkinsm
Who cares that Cali has 5 teams, they would rank 7th in the world in GDP if they were their own country (equivalent to France) and they have 38 million residents (which would rank about 34th in the world if they were their own country). On top of that they are the 3rd largest state by area (about the size of Iraq).
Kayrall
Montreal was a premier baseball town before the 1994 strike and the following baseball politics (Loria) killed that franchise’s ability to succeed in that city. To this day there is a large push from their citizens to bring a MLB team back.
Kayrall
So under that logic, then, why don’t we move several other MLB teams until it is proportionately correct?
Dock_Elvis
Baseballs own study revealed that Montreal is the only North American market that could reasonably be untapped. That or adding a 3rd team to NY or LA…which wont happen. All the talk about the AAA cities is just not based on economic facts…they are all bot much better than Tampa…still small markets with limited appeal outside the region and no real evidence theyd be any better after the honeymoon period is over. Montreal presents the opportunity to expand into a very large market with appeal to a global footprint into Europe.
I dont see mlb adding another pacific time zone team…it does the Mariners little marketing favor as is.
Itd be jumping the gun moving Oakland…that place is millenial rich and might just end up being a tidy little market that can also tap the larger area. In my mind Oakland is the one place that in a decade we might look back and say…wow…remember when they struggled?
YourDaddy
Tampa/St Pete is the 11th largest DMA or TV market in the country. Their problem is where the stadium is, how bad it is, and the difficulty in getting there.
In Oakland the stadium is a pit not designed for baseball.
mrkinsm
Do please show us where you got that study. There is no baseball club in Montreal because it failed.
And Tampa is more than big enough to support a club, they need a modern stadium in Tampa not old broken down St. Pete.
mrkinsm
You mean sane logic? The fact is the state is more than capable of sustaining 5 successful clubs.
Dock_Elvis
Tampa st pete is very similar to the Bay area logistic wise. It is in a tough location but has by far the youngest crowd I’ve witnessed at a live game. Probably due to reasonable ticket prices. Word is corporate sponsorship is weak. Tough…baseball season is the slow time,tourist wise..and its an absolutely gorgeous area….white sand beaches…tough sell. I can’t imagine not having a climate controlled facility there.
Dock_Elvis
Its been awhile since I read that study. Its been oft discussed here. I dont have a link..but I believe it would be easily found in a search. It came up when the mayor of Montreal met with the Commissioner. SABR I believe has also researched it.
I personally love the Tampa Bay area and have no doubt they could support a team in a better facility. My only point is that the market elsewhere really is saturated…baseball with 81 home games is a different beast than an nfl or nhl franchise.
Dock_Elvis
Montreal failed a generation ago largely due to mlb meddling and the strike.
By this logic Washington DC should doubly not be able to support a team because they’ve lost teams twice.
Were in a different economic era.
A'sfaninUK
Absolutely disagree: San Jose has 998K people and Portland has 609K and Portland definitely isn’t a sports town, have you ever been there? They dont even really care about the Blazers, meanwhile I’m not sure there’s a West Coast team with a more rabid fanbase than the Sharks have. SJ should be a 4 sport town but that’s for another day. Portland doesn’t have the money SJ has nor the population, despite you wanting less congestion (and I do agree it would be nice) MLB looks at money only, and that’s why SJ is the superior option.
Lanidrac
It’s not just judging by city population (otherwise a place like St. Louis could never draw the numbers they do). The metro area already has two MLB teams. I don’t see them supporting a third one.
ABCD
Agree with you, JAFfy, about Portland who already voted down a stadium a few years back. I would think Charlotte and Montreal would be good candidates, maybe San Antonio/Austin if the Rangers or Astros wouldn’t raise a fuss. Giants are being jerks about San Jose, though.
Dock_Elvis
The economic drivers in San Jose are all very much invested into the Giants. The Giants will NEVER allow the A’s to sideswipe that corporate interest. Silicon Valley is buying all those ads and suites. The Giants are well aware that SF proper is a,limited market…its astronomically expensive to live in…so they must generate interest throughout the region. Beyond that tradition is at play…Oakland has been a spare wheel…even during the good times attendance has sagged. Its the Giants region the way Chicagoland is Cubby blue.
YourDaddy
Portland has 1.1 million TV households and is the 24th largest DMA. San Jose is part of the San Francisco – Oakland – San Jose DMA and is in the 6th largest DMA with 2.85 million TV households.
The definition of a TV household – homes must have at least one operable TV/monitor with the ability to deliver video via traditional means of antennae, cable set-top-box or satellite receiver and/or with a broadband connection.
Dock_Elvis
I think the established tv market measurements do not tell the tales. KC for example is measured as a very small market in itself…but the Royals have broadcast reach within a 300 mile distance to the west especially. Id worry…for cable purposes…that a market like Portland or Charlotte would be pinned in by the Mariners/Giants or Braves in Charlottes case.
But I believe moving forward well see much more national fan bases being built due to streaming much in the way the Cubs and Braves did utilizing their superstations.
AshamedMethGoat
Portland no longer has a AAA team, as they lost the Beavers after the 2010 season. The closest thing Portland has now is the short-season A-ball Hillsboro Hops, a team out in the western suburbs that does have a strong following.
The issue with Portland isn’t the fanbase, it’s about getting a facility built without public funds. It’s extremely unlikely in the current climate, as the entire state of Oregon only has one Fortune 500 company (Nike), and I think even they have their limits in terms of the cash they will throw around.
Dock_Elvis
It also must be noted that interest in minor league baseball doesnt necessarily to major league appeal. Much of the reason that many minor league teams succeed now is by being a cheaper suburban alternative to the hastle and cost of attending an mlb game…traffic…parking..etc. many of those fans will watch the team on tv…but they wont attend. Which is what I believe MLB really wants. They can sell ad space on tv.
andrewatl
I can’t wait until the Rays and Athletics stadium issues get resolved. I really want to see expansion. With Selig gone, it is now possible. Would be really cool to see new teams in the league, brings excitement and freshness to the sport. Out of the 4 major sports, MLB has gone the longest without expanding.
baseball10
Is there enough talent to do it? We have 5-6 basically tanking each year anyway
Ray Ray
There is only one team truly tanking this season, the Braves, and it could be argued that even they didn’t tank. Everyone else tried, but just it didn’t work for one reason or another. That’s not tanking. You are never going to have every franchise winning at the same time, it’s just not possible unless you want every team to have an 81-81 record.
baseball10
The gap between the top and the bottom seems as wide as its been in a while. Even the gap between the top and middle is a wide talent margin
Ray Ray
Well that is more of a salary cap issue, not a lack of talent issue. As far as the talent goes, you just need to look at the amount of young players that have come up and made an immediate impact in the past few years. There is plenty of talent to fill out another two rosters.
YourDaddy
None of the 4 top spending teams are in 1st place right now and the Yankees are not looking like playoff contenders right now. The Indians are 27th in payroll.
Ray Ray
Of course spending doesn’t equal winning, but spending more give you more opportunities to fail. Can you imagine how far a team like the Pirates would be set back if they had as much dead money as the Dodgers (who have basically doubled the GDP of Cuba in the last few years)? They wouldn’t be able to compete for 20 years. But the Dodgers just sign as many as they want and hope a few stick. You say the Yankees aren’t playoff contenders, and you might be right, but how often in the past 10 years has that been true? How about the Red Sox? How about the Dodgers? Now compare those numbers to the Twins, the A’s, the Indians, and the Reds. Sure small market teams can have a good season or two, but as soon as that window closes, it remains closed for several years. The bigger teams can buy their way out of a hole much quicker if they choose to.
Dock_Elvis
Its cyclical…wait until the Yankees get onto the Cubs train….well have big markets teams with a system and THEN money to burn…and theyll all be hard to stop. Having teams like the Yankees with higher draft picks is future dangerous. Cubs had the economic fire power to punt entire seasons to build the farm..now they are spending. The Clevelands and KCs cant sustain against that….and now they are getting lower draft picks.
YourDaddy
The Padres had a franchise record payroll last year, spending tens of millions on Kemp, Shields, Upton, Kimbrel, etc… and it got them as many losses as the year before. It did get them an All Star game, so that is a definite plus. Now they are spending tens of millions on prospects to build from within. Hoping this works better long term.
Yankees? Last 3 of last 4 years. Red Sox? 5 of the last 6 years. Buying your way out of a hole hasn’t worked too well for most teams, including the Padres, lately.
Dock_Elvis
Ask the NHL about expansion. The southern market has been a burden on that league. Teams must be excellent to draw interest and that only really occurs in the gap time after the NFL season ends. I would agree that MLB should expand by 2 and get rid of the ridiculous unbalanced schedule. I believe we’re headed for a non division format as well
misterb71
If MLB is truly interested in improving the travel schedule and the player workload without compromising the 162-game schedule then now is the time for a radical realignment. Be honest, NL vs. AL doesn’t really exist anymore compared to how separate the leagues once functioned. If MLB were to drastically realign all divisions it could further deepen regional rivalries. All California teams in a single division; both New York and Chicago teams in another division, and so on.
Ray Ray
Sorry, horrible idea in my opinion. Of course I’m sure DH-proponents would like your idea. As long as the DH exists, separate leagues are a must. Personally I think we should expand the league by 2 (Charlotte and Portland…not Mexico City) and do away with interleague play completely. But that’s probably not going to happen, well the expansion will but the other won’t.
Aside from my personal preferences, baseball should be trying to nationalize the game, not to further regionalize it. The NFL is a national sport. With exceptions for the Yankees and Red Sox, most people are fans of the MLB team that they live closest to. MLB should try to expand the fan bases for other franchises as well. Get people in Iowa interested in seeing an Orioles game or people in Alabama interested in the Brewers. Of course that isn’t easy, but if it were easy it would already be done.
misterb71
The NFL is a national sport mostly due to its single game a week schedule. You can’t nationalize baseball the same way you can with pro football. With the NFL everything they do builds up to the big slate of games on Sunday afternoon. Baseball plays twice as many games every day of the week. You can’t really treat the two sports or leagues the same way.
andrewatl
I think another point is that the NFL gets played on national TV stations a lot, so you get to see teams outside of your region. Whereas with MLB, you only see the team in your region and they get played on regional sports stations like Fox SportsSouth. You only see maybe 1 or 2 games on national TV stations for MLB per week not counting MLB network. With the NFL, you can see 6 or 7 per week. Just makes it easier to reach fans when you get to see more teams than your own.
Ray Ray
Sure you can. It has been done with the Yankees and Red Sox due to their exposure on ESPN. When was the last time the Yankees/Red Sox played on a Sunday and it wasn’t the ESPN Sunday night game. The Braves and Cubs both had wide national exposure on TBS and WGN respectively and garnered wider than normal fan bases as a result. Sure fans won’t be able to watch every game, but since when is that a requirement for being a fan? With as many cable channels as there are now, it could easily be possible for a team like the A’s or the Twins to reach a deal to broadcast their games nationally and reach a wider audience. Yes, hardcore fans can get MLBTV and watch games whenever, but you don’t expand your fanbase by catering to the hardcore fan, they are here already. You expand by bringing in casual fans and slowly turning a portion of them into hardcore fans.
Dock_Elvis
I look for mlbtv to get even cheaper..they dropped the price in 2016. Im just shocked they dont sell ad space between innings. The cable deals are just crazy…thats a bubble…so many stream all tv now.
Acuña Matata
I agree with most of what you said. However, DH needs to go. Bumgarner if anything shows us why with plenty of other examples.
Second, I think interest in baseball comes with watching it period without loyalty. I’m a Braves fan in California. TBS growing up is what led me there. If you want people to take an interest in a team outside of the big 5 (Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, Giants/Dodgers) then media deals need to be changed. Blackouts should be done away with. No one team can have a stranglehold on a particular market. Etc etc
Kayrall
Blackouts are such an embarrassment. They want to promote growth in youth and different backgrounds but are willing to cut out entire markets because TV deals demand it.
A'sfaninUK
Blackouts are an embarrassment, the unbalanced schedule is totally insane and stupid too – if 2 teams in a div are tanking then that means cheap wins for a lesser-talented team who gets swept in the first round because they weren’t as good as their W-L, meanwhile a better team misses out because they had to play all the best teams more often. I hate that the most about baseball. Adding 6 games to the schedule would mean each team could play 6 home and 6 away against the other 14 teams – 12X14=168 games = a balanced schedule.
ABCD
Sure, layercake, take a job away from my Kyle.
ABCD
Divisions are set up for regional rivalries. Unbalanced is good for that. It also helps in not having a team under .500 winning the division.
168 games is too many. Less is more.
Dock_Elvis
If you have mlbtv already and are subjected to blackouts…Id venture to say youre a baseball fan already or a child in a home of one.
If anythngi wish theyd make live games affordable….games and stadiums are magical live
Dock_Elvis
People in Iowa with mlbtv…reasonably priced..often are fans of non regional teams…the ridiculous mlb blackout causes 6 teams off the slate.
Mlbtv is a funny thing to watch because its creating national fans….i watch how the blue jays fan base derives….I can’t say how many non canadian fans watch them because of mlbtv being streamed.
Personally, im glad for the service. I have 4 boys and a wife that doesnt like to watch baseball. It allows me to watch late west coast games in the central time zone that id otherwise miss.
Kayrall
I would drastically increase my watching of baseball games using MLBtv were several not blacked out in my area.
Dock_Elvis
Iowa was brutal…it was 6 teams…which meant 12 teams daily if they werent playing one another. Only the cubs and white sox actually broadcast over cable…but all teams claimed. Ridiculous…Milwaukee which fights for market share with the Cubs would rather you be a Giants fan than have access to them. Wont even let you BUY out of the blackout. Nhl was sued and lost….well see what happens…..the black out lift rumor is year long now.
Kayrall
Reverting back to an Eastern and Western division would address travel times as it would knock off one time zone effectively from both regions. More efficiently, MLB could do away with a night game before traveling to another city for a day game.
raef715
so, Manfred threatens the idea of minor league teams shutting down if wages are increased.
each organization has 4 full year teams of about 25 men so 100 men total. If they all received an extra $10,000 a year, to pick a number out of the air, that’s 1 million bucks a year.. come on, Rob.
Lanidrac
They have more than just four teams each. There are also the short-season and rookie ball affiliates.
gamemusic3 2
His claim is still ridiculous.
Frankly, the minuscule minor league wages are certainly suppressing the amount of talent in the game.
stl_cards16 2
Not really. More than half of the players in the minors aren’t “prospects”. They are getting the opportunity to play baseball for a few more years.
Dock_Elvis
I highly doubt an young person in America is saying they wont play baseball because they might only make $700 a month in the minors…..thats not anyones goal..its toplsy in the big leagues…its precisely WHY so many players play in the minors now when they could make more money in virtually any other field.
I just do not understand why a billion dollar industry with relatively short labor supply cannot pay their prospects a decent wage. Some players in the minors actually make nothing once their expenses are figured.
mrkinsm
All 30 teams have around 300 players under contracts in their systems.
YourDaddy
A tad over 5800 players in the minor leagues in the US according to the bill MLB is pushing in congress.
mrkinsm
That’s in the US, each club has 70 more in the D.R. (so another 2,100+).Plus another 30 or so in the bigs per club including DL – so another 900.
There are approximately 9-10K pro baseball players under contract with MLB clubs right now.
YourDaddy
None of that has to do with increasing the salaries of US-based minor leaguers to the minimum wage. There are a tad over 5800 players in the minor leagues in the US. All of them in AAA, or about 900 including those on the DL, make more than minimum wage. That leaves about 4900 players affected by the class action lawsuit brought by current and former players or the possible legislation that MLB is trying to push through.
BoldyMinnesota
As an AL fan, I want no part of pitchers hitting. I’d rather not watch a guy hitting something like .150 with no pop, and instead the likes of EE, big Papi, vintage fielder. I’m not saying there should be a league wide dh, but for those saying get rid of the dh, and makes the game more exciting, at least for al fans anyways.
Ray Ray
I’m not a fan of an AL team, so it doesn’t affect me if the AL has a DH. I have no problem with the AL keeping it. I did try and fight it a lot when it looked like the Rockies, and not the Astros, might switch leagues a few years back. But now I really don’t care. One of my favorite moments of the first half of this year was Bartolo Colon’s home run. You can’t tell me that wasn’t exciting. Some pitchers are good hitters and all of them could be much better with practice. These are professional athletes that have hit their entire lives, but when they become pros all of a sudden some people think they have the fragility of a porcelain doll. But as long as the NL keeps the DH out, I’m cool with fans that like it.
BlueSkyLA
The really interesting part of testing the “more exciting” theory comes from looking at league averages for hitting. You might think the AL would be 10% higher in this area and pitching equally impacted, but it isn’t so. The actual difference is closer to 3%. Not only can a good many pitchers hit, many more of them are capable of productive ABs.
gamemusic3 2
Every argument for the DH could be applied to any position.
Pitchers are simply important defensively to a greater degree. Naturally if you maximize value on defense a defensive specialist has a better opportunity.
After you add them for pitchers, why not catchers and shortstops?
I would take a pure DH / defense dichotomy over a silly exception built entirely on a single position.
misterb71
I understand the perspective but you’re overlooking one incredibly important factor as it relates to pitchers. The majority of pitchers are now going through college and the minors without having to pick up a bat with any regularity. Depending on who drafts them it’s not inconceivable that a pitcher could enter the minors somewhere between 18 and 20-something and not pick up a bat in a game situation until they reach interleague play five or six years later.
YourDaddy
It’s SO exciting seeing Prince Fielder, Avisail Garcia, Evan Gattis and Corey Dickerson come to the plate. Much rather see some strategy play into the game with pitchers at the plate.
yankees500
I think the Minor League wage thing is absurd. These players should know going into it that it is going to be miserable the lower they are in the system. It wouldn’t be smart to change the wages because that would cut down on the amount of minor league teams which would 1 mean less money for the teams which; would affect the whole sport and 2 if they cut down on minor league teams then the minor leagues would be unfair and uneven. If there aren’t enough minor league teams then there will be 16-18 year-olds right out of the draft playing with older,better and more expeirienced guys which would affect the way teams will be able to scout their prospects. Also, every year the amount of money given to players lower in the draft rises. Less and less minor league players will need to depend on the minimum wage that they make. A 300k dollar signing bonus might not sound like a lot compared to the other players drafted higher in the draft, but it is almost 4 times the average annual salary in the US. The problem will work itself out and doesn’t need Com. Manfred messing with it.
emac22
That’s the world’s most clueless comment.
gamemusic3 2
You’re ridiculously ignorant. Players frequently sign for 4 digit contracts, not $300,000. Baseball can EASILY provide a minimum salary and would build a better minor league pool through such strategy.
Dock_Elvis
I was literally offered an apartment by the Montreal Expos…Id have squeezed out a golden log if they’d have offered 300k….that 300k is elite money.
YourDaddy
Hard to know where to start you made so many misstatements. Let’s start with signing bonuses. Of the 40 rounds of draft picks, only those in the top 10 typically make over $100,000. The average paid out according to the MLBPA is just over $90k. That includes the guys in the first 2 rounds making $1 million+. What you have is 1000 guys getting $1000 to $100,000 and 200 guys getting $100,000 to $7 million. #198 in the draft, Andy Cox got a $5,000 signing bonus and #199, JB Moss, got $10,000 Now let’s talk about what they actually get. If you get a $300,000 bonus, $30,000 goes to your agent, $150,000 goes in federal state and local taxes, and you end up with about $120,000.
If ALL the players in the minor leagues got minimum wage, then according to the arguments MLB made in support of the bill they are pushing in Congress, it would cost between $25 and $30 million per year. So if they RAISED the average wages of a minor leaguer to the minimum wage it would cost them the salary of one Greinke. Split that between all 30 teams and you have a cost of $1 million per year. Chump change to a sport that is taking in $9 billion in revenue each year.
It won’t result in even one team folding. ALL the salaries of minor league players are paid by the major league club.
Screamer
Manfred and MLB do not care about the A’s or Rays. The Athletics battle for an answer will never end
Time to move to Vegas
YourDaddy
Why would increasing the pay of minor leaguers “cause the folding of some minor league teams”? The MLB team pays all the salaries of the minor league players. In the arguments for the bill they have in Congress, MLB says that it would cost them between $25 and 30 million if they increased the wages of the players to minimum wage. That is less than $1 million per team per year (about the cost of a middlin’ middle reliever) and less than the cost of Zach Greinke per year overall. Extremely disingenuous for the head of a sport that is bringing in over $9 billion per year and seeing double-digit increases in revenue annually to claim they can’t afford a cost that is so small.
craigcounsellhitsbombs
Agreed.
Although ultimately, I also wouldn’t mind seeing a system where 1% of the players’ salariers (or .5% or whatever) goes back to a minor league fund that helps raise salaries for players there. Start at no kickback for the league minimum players and have tiers going up to the guys pulling in 20MM+.
You see the same system with certain trades. As a young professional, you’re forwarded X amount of dollars to get you through until you become a full fledged tradesman. Granted, it’s usually for training and school, but the same concept can be applied here. Kind of.
It would obviously need to start with a new wave of callups.
I’m super curious to see what raising the quality of living amongst fringe minor leaguers would do to their performance.
YourDaddy
Why take any of that money from the players? MLB owners are making nearly 60% of the revenue the players generate. The owners are perfectly capable of paying the small amount of money raising minor league salaries up to legal levels would cost them.
Deke
I agree 100%. Increasing wages for minor leaguers would NOT force teams to fold, that’s a load of crap and you’re have to have half a brain to believe that. MLB has more than enough money to pay minor leaguers a reasonable amount of money for doing what they do. and then some.
Paying minor leaguers a reasonable wage would also encourage diversity in the sport, if people could make a REASONABLE living playing minor league baseball, then you’d find it a much more attractive sport to everyone.
Dock_Elvis
The only reason I can think that would cause them to fold would be MLB believes theres ALREADY a better player development model. They really only make good will and marketing points by having affiliates in regional cities. Teams could easily combine classifications at complexes or a AAA team in the mlb park while the big club is on the road.
Niekro
Baseball seems way more diverse than the NBA or NFL, when are we going to just admit only one group of people matter when we are talking about diversity. Black people make up about 8 percent of the country between the ages of 20-40, seems spot on representation.
davidcoonce74
I’m assuming even you understand the error in your statistic, right? I’ll wait for it.
YourDaddy
census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00
Lanidrac
Manfred’s on point today. I agree with pretty much everything he said.
astros_should_be_fortyfives
Oakland moves to San Jose so fans can actually feel safe coming and watching a game and then opposing teams fans would not be getting jumped for wrong colors. Montreal gets the Expos back and New Orleans gets a team in a brand new multi sport stadium on the Mississippi River w/ a retractable roof .
Deke
What if instead a retractable roof, to save some money we just gave everyone wet weather gear on rainy days? Then we could put in actual “slides” for people to slide into bases and the game would be a lot safer.
Niekro
You might have the A’s confused with the Giants and Dodgers where fans have actually been injured at games. No one attends A’s games because the stadium is a dump and the GM trades everyone after 2 or 3 years.
cards67
Manfred is way too late to push for more minorities taking up baseball. I live in the South, people are football crazy here. Practically every kid in Georgia no matter what their color wants to play football. We have Pee Wee football coaches here that have been coaching the same team for 20 plus years. Our local high school football preview issue was just shy of 50 pages. I don’t know what it would take to change that love of football into a love of baseball, Best of luck to him if he can pull it off but I’m doubtful.
emac22
If MLB can’t run minor league clubs and pay the players minimum wage they shouldn’t try. No one should be forced to run a business nor should anyone be allowed to employ people full time that in turn have to rely on the government for food and medical care. Crappy business owners who don’t know what they are doing should retire and leave complex things like running a business to people who know what they are doing.
The idea that a business with the revenue of MLB can’t pay minimum wage is disgusting and means some people should be thrown in jail for fraud and tax evasion while most certainly losing any anti trust or other exemption that prevents better businessmen from stepping up and running the business properly.
I can’t believe that US taxpayers are paying for professional athletes to play for rich baseball owners who are too cheap to feed, house and provide medical care for players until they hit the majors. It really shows you why this country needs unions since that is the only reason major league players are paid any more than minor league players.
9lives
Why is 8% a concern? 8% of America is black so they seem to be right in line there.
Niekro
When you factor in Black Males and the correct age to be in baseball they are most likely over represented based on population in the US.
chesteraarthur
Because being PC is in right now, didn’t you get the memo?
mrkinsm
13% not including a chunk of “Latinos” who have african blood.
Dock_Elvis
If this is true, thats actually astonishing when economic opportunity is figured in….access to develpment and quality instruction.
First we need to know where our players are coming from. If they are coming from white suburban areas…well…that will naturally decrease the liklihood of producing black ballplayers.
That a proportionate % of black players to population could be represented in the game is just amazing….Id wonder what they were doing right…because the socioeconomic indicators are not working in their favor.
Jorge Soler Powered
Don’t Minor League players have “host families” that they live with for free?
Dock_Elvis
Atleast in the low levels they live with host families by and large, but the families are generally compensated in some way. Maybe a little money, and usually season tickets. Generating host family interest in small communities is a major program of minor league organizations.
mike156
Loved the “excessive regulation” statement. Let’s not ask owners to pay minimum wage to minor league players–the angst could cause them to lose sight of demanding free stadiums and infrastructure from the taxpayer. Really, what are we, socialists?
drewm
Carlos Subero is going to be an MLB manager. He’s got energy and earns the trust of players by giving them sound advice. He’s going to get a top job eventually.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Please don’t let MLB descend into identity politics. That’s one of the big reasons I don’t care about the NFL as much these days.
No Rooney Rule. Let merit win out..
Let sports be sports.
tsolid 2
Let merit when out? Hahaha.
tsolid 2
The Rooney Rule has backfired. It produces More “Token” interviews then serious ones. Again, you can never have a discussion with closed minded people. There plenty of People with “Merit” that simply don’t get the opportunity. It’s more about WHO you know then what you. CEO’s/Owners usually hire people that they are “comfortable” with, not necessarily who has the most merit. C
frankthetank1985
It’s also harder for the “inner city black community” to have access to baseball facilities and equipment. It’s a lot easier to get one ball and two kids together to play some basketball than it is to get gloves for everyone a bat or two and a couple balls and a decent amount of kids together at the same time and then find a park to play in that is open and available. The logistics of baseball is unlike any other sport. Even football just needs one ball and a few people. Baseball is harder to get and keep kids involved or introduced to because of this reason as well.
Niekro
You are right kids in America are entitled, poor kids in the Dominican and Cuba play with Sticks and bottle caps you don’t need a 300 dollar glove a 500 dollar bat and a well groomed field to play baseball.
tim815
The amount spent on bonuses should be increased, largely across the board. Have a formula where smaller market teams get more, and weaker records get more. But have the general incoming bonuses be in the range of $6-$11 mil per team per annum.
Then, more preps could get 7 figure bonuses.
And, for teams that exceed the amount they should spend, every exec gets a six decade suspension, and the team is held out of the June draft for ten years. (Maybe I exaggerate. Maybe not.)
Shazam. No cheating.
And more players choose baseball over football or basketball..
Dock_Elvis
The issue of youth baseball is not simply a racial issue. The modern travel ball structure is flawed. Our local youth team is $800 just to participate before even adding the cost of travel, hotels, tournaments etc. I spent much of my life in the game and I see the structure as flawed and not even really about the children. By and large it seems to be about parents getting to go away to hotel and spend time with their summer family. Its beyond ridiculous that a team from Kansas City and a team from Topeka should have to travel to a tournament in Oklahoma City to play eachother. Its an industry that exploits families desire to provide the best.
I wont even get into the draining nature of youth playing 6 games in one day.
We dont participate in this….
TC06
There’s many more problems than those. How about a salary cap! The small market owners need to band together so that there is a more equal playing field. A cap works in the other professional leagues and they could make it work in baseball too. The big market owners have too much control!
Dock_Elvis
That wont happen and is unnecessary with the mlbmedia bonanza and the shared profits. Teams now can virtually pay team salaries just from this. The idea of a small market now is really over for the time being. We have the rich and the even richer.