TODAY: A deal is “getting closer” and “should get done,” a source tells Speier (via Twitter). That being said, a final number has yet to be arrived at between the two sides.
YESTERDAY, 5:33pm: Talks between the two sides are intensifying, per Jon Heyman and Robert Murray of FanRag Sports (Twitter link), but there’s no deal in place just yet.
10:55am: New Jersey high school lefty Jason Groome remains the highest-profile draftee who is yet unsigned, and there remains a gap between him and the Red Sox, as Alex Speier of the Boston Globe explains. Speier’s sources express optimism that the 12th overall pick will ultimately sign, but there are a number of moving parts involved.
Jon Heyman of Today’s Knuckleball reported yesterday that the Red Sox had offered Groome a $3.5MM bonus, higher than the pick value of $3,192,800 but significantly lower than the $5MM Heyman reported Groome could have gotten from the Padres had he lasted until the No. 24 pick. Now Speier writes that the Red Sox have gone a little over $3.5MM but are still short of his bonus demands. Groome could head to a Florida junior college and reenter the draft in a year if he deems the Sox’ bonus offers unsuitable.
The Red Sox have a bonus pool just shy of $7MM (an amount they could stretch to about $7.35MM without losing one or more future draft picks) and have already committed just $2.2MM of that. But they have not signed fourth-rounder Bobby Dalbec, whose pick value is just over $500K, or fifth-rounder Mike Shawaryn, whose pick value is around $375K. If they’re unable to sign Groome, they could also have interest in signing 11th-rounder Nick Quintana, a well-regarded high school infielder who is committed to Arizona.
Another dynamic in play, according to Speier, is that Groome hasn’t yet taken a physical in advance of Friday’s deadline. All things considered, though, the Red Sox will surely be highly motivated to sign him — a big lefty with good velocity and and a terrific curve would be a strong addition to any farm system.
Red Sox get: Teheran, Vizcaino, and Albeis
Braves get: Moncada, Swihart, and Benentindi
If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again.
Both say no
I wish it was possible to block certain users…
Don’t feed the trolls right?
Hahaha.
No.
I don’t understand why people keep trying to send Albies to the sox even if they trade moncada they still don’t have a place to play him because he’s not gonna play third
Wondered how long would take to pollute a Boston topic with some Teheran garbage..
Here is what Gammons had to say about him in his latest article:
“But there are no 1-2 starters on the market. Julio Teheran is, in the judgement of every GM I talk to, a back-end starter whose three game history at Camden Yards, Fenway and Rogers Centre is a run an inning.”
“Three game history”
Not sure you can get any more irrelevant than that. I don’t think Teheran isnear as valuable as what Braves fans think, but quoting any one talking about a 3 game sample of any player is just a complete mis-use of stats.
JT is remarkably similar to Shelby Miller.
But they got a haul for Miller, and may want another haul for JT.
They don’t have to move him and the market is thin.
He is worth two top 100 specs, one in the top 40 probably.
But not worth a ton more and the Braves don’t need to move him unless they get that haul.
Don’t use the return for Miller as a comparison for anything. Everyone except for the D-Backs understood that that was a ridiculous trade.
While I typically view Gammons as a giant homer (with blinders on while drinking the Sox Nation Kool-Aid)…he is actually right. This one time.
ATL should hold onto Teh and hope he can continue to pitch well with his very friendly contract.
Yeah. Gammons is a big Boston fan boy, no doubt. His article states that it’s other GM’s saying Teheran is a back end starter, not himself however and am guessing it’s AL East GM’s telling him that, not NL ones where he’s much better suited.
Play in Major League sized baseball fields and you won’t have that problem.
The thing is, the East Coast thinks baseball is HR derby, so they build their stadiums to give them what they want.
Average offensive players look like All Stars and average pitchers look like scrubs.
So your solution is for a dozen or so teams to change their stadiums? Sure, no problem.
Braves fans definently want to trade Teheran to us more than we want to trade for him
That’s called last place braves frustration… Sell the farm and expect to compete, and let’s face it the braves are ugly right now….
They act so coy like they genuinely think he’s going to perform at this level for the rest of his contract and we should all believe that too. They all know he’s on the best streak of his career and they want to sell as high as possible.
Instead of being honest about selling a good pitcher high, they lie and say Teheran is an ace. No, he’s not and he’s not worth top prospects like a real ace is.
The arrogance and hubris of Braves fans after the Shelby Miller deal is appalling. They should be grateful they robbed one team blind, not act like they are entitled to rob another team just as blind.
I’d actually say it’s the ignorance of the “all our players are HOFers to be” of your average RS fan.
There are far more comments claiming that every Red Sox fan overvalues their prospects than comments of actual Red Sox fans overvaluing their prospects. It’s old, dude.
It’s not just red sox fans that are huge on Benintendi or Moncada, either. I am not a redsox fan, I think they are both very good and too much to give up for JT.
Dave Cameron has Benintendi ahead of JT in his trade value series to this point. Many other uninvested and impartial baseball people around the country think that those two players are very talented with very real chances to contribute to a major league team.
I’m sure there are red sox fans who do fit the “all our prospects are hof’ers” guise, but every fan base has those. It may seem to be larger for the red sox because they have a pretty large fanbase.
I find the braves fans who constantly put this prospect worshiping idea forward and continue to over value teheran and fill every article’s comment section with stupid trade proposals far, far more annoying than anything i’ve seen on here about redsox prospects all being hofers.
Funny, my take from reading trade threads revolving around Teheran and the Red Sox have Sox fans trying to find every possible way to trash Teheran to justify why he should be so cheap and how great they’re prospects are as definitive fact nearly equals the number of stupid proposals from over the top Braves fans. Just comes down to your rose colored glasses. You’ve picked sides and I have my opinions. Red Sox have a pristine crop of talent and the Braves have the best available pitcher. Just how it is… And as for EbenezerBatFlip, I answered his tiresome drivel with my own.
Just because he’s the best starter available doesn’t mean a team is going to pay a ridiculous price.
I don’t like the Red Sox more than any other team, and there is absolutely zero chance they trade Benintendi or Moncada for Teheran. If the Braves want to hold and watch him return to a #3-4 on their own team, so be it.
He’s also not the best starter available.
It could also just be, that to objective fans, the braves posters are far more annoying than the red sox ones and actually have nothing to do with “rose colored glasses” or choosing sides. Keep telling yourself whatever you need to though!
Actually, I told you and the others. But in all fairness, I also find lots of Braves fans annoying over these trade talks. There was one that demanded the Sox top 6 prospects. But on whole, Its the declarations of absolute lines in the sand that I find the most stupid. As if any of us know what our teams will do. And he until the Braves GM declared Teheran was not going to be trade he was absolutely the best pitcher on the market.
“Best streak of his career”?
No didn’t he put up similar numbers in ’13, `14 and the second half of `15?
And FYI, I’m pretty sure you guys are getting trolled by some crazy Braves fans, most sane Braves fans agree that Teheran is better off staying in Atlanta. This whole issue is a total dead horse now anyway.
Also just like the comment about Red Sox fans considering their prospects to be HOFers, the Shelby Miller deal seems to be constantly brought up by everyone but Braves fans… just saying.
You’re hardly one of the “objective” posters. Among your comments you’ve implied that wins for pitchers matter and you demonstrated complete ignorance for the Braves farm. That’s hardly what I call being objective. 95% of your posts consist of you whining about Braves fans.
Pomeranz is better than Teheran. Rich Hill is better than Teheran.
Please find where I’ve ever said that pitcher wins matter. And my “complete ignorance” is what multiple people who are paid to evaluate prospects think of their futures, vs. your super homer views that only takes into account their 99th percentile outcomes.
Rich Hill is a 36 year old injury prone rental. Pomeranz is a guy who has never pitched major innings in a year and his contract isn’t as long or as sweet as Teheran’s. Plus he hasn’t had anything close to Teheran’s sustained success. Try again.
Contract = value not being better. Teheran has had up and down years.
They are both currently performing as better pitchers.
Try again.
Yeah, we’ll just see if fangraphs agrees with your ‘objective’ take when they finish releasing the list you already referenced and Teheran is the highest rated pitcher on that list who might be traded.
This is kind of funny and a little sad. You’re trying to go with the old “they’re pitching better right now” angle so can you can devalue Teheran’s great contract and the fact that he is the most valuable SP being offered at the deadline. Fortunately the real world doesn’t work like that. According to that stupid logic Chris Sale isn’t an ace right now. He’s been getting shelled left and right lately including by the lowly Braves. Pomeranz and Hill are pitching better than Sale so they must be more valuable! Or not. Because that’s stupid logic.
Bingo your right!
Has any one even looked at teherans career stats? Or are we just posting blindly here. Besides 2015 (where he posted solid numbers in the second half) and his first 2 years in the big leagues (his age 20, and 21 seasons in which he pitched a grand total of 26 innings combined) his era has never been north of a low 3. He’s still 25 years old, on a team friendly contract and no, he’s not an ace but he’s better than a 3-4 guy. I like him better than Shelby Miller. I like him a lot better than Rich hill or Drew Pomeranz. Rich hill who has done this for a total of about 100 innings and is injury prone, 36 years old, and was already injured this year. Drew Pomeranz who yes is finally starting to live up to that top prospect hype but has only put up these numbers in a small sample size last year and then the first half of this year. Plus, he’s pitching in Petco and last year pitched with Oakland. Not sure how j feel about him in Boston, where he’d pitch half his games in Fenway, and in the high profile city. Teheran hasn’t pitched in a good hitters park either, but has a much longer track record of solid production than the other 2. And to whoever said that him being the top pitcher available right now doesn’t mean teams are going to give up their best talent to get him, that’s exactly what that means…. That’s how the market for talent works.
And I’m not some braces fan overvaluing him, I’m a Phillies fan. But I’m more of a fan of baseball than anything else. And I know how the market works.
He will be crying about RS fans thinking Moncada and Benintendi are “future Hall of Famers” in a second.
Let me repeat this until it sinks in : Not. Happening.
And don’t bother starting the “well the braves can just keep Teheran then! They don’t need to trade him!” nonsense. You’re the one who keeps proposing these painfully lopsided trades without provocation. If you don’t care whether the braves trade him, then you had (and have) the option of remaining silent.
Thank you Dan, I could not have said it any better. 100% accurate.
Wow how many times are we going to rehash this one. I’m just curious why would the Sox want Albeis isn’t he a shortstop pretty sure they are set there for a long time.
Why?
Get rid of Albeis and that’s a deal
It’s like beating a dead horse already
No. Keep the prospects and leave the Braves in the cellar.
Braves will not get Moncada. He is slated to take Pedroia’s job at 2B in a year or two
Pedroia is hitting over .300, is a gold glover still, and is the heart of the team. He aint retiring for another 3 years at least. Moncada will prob take over at 3rd or possibly even first.
He gets to comment and people are annoyed, but pretty much all of mine get deleted for reasons that nobody has told me yet.
That is one of the dumbest trade proposals in the history of MLBTR.
Um no Albies is not tradeable nice try though Albies n Swanson are our future middle infielders
Dream on bravosfan. That is never gonna happen. Absurd.
You wish!
just stop, you are literally ruining the quality of these threads
Please stop.
DD let the 17 year old walk,,,If this were a Bryce Harper type yea but he wasn’t an undisputed #1 pick…..
Im sure he wouldve been undisputed if he wasnt a high school pitcher
So if he’s not a Bryce Harper, let him walk? Why?
I have no connection to this but imo Groome would be a damn fool to not sign with Boston. He will sign.
“I have no connection to this but imo Groome would be a damn fool to not sign with Boston. He will sign.”
Why would he be a fool? He’s a 6’7″ lefty who throws 95. If he doesn’t sign with Boston and sits out the year he’s likely to be drafted where he was or higher and make more money. If he goes to a junior college and pitches well he’ll likely be the number 1 pick and sign for 3 times the amount of money Boston is offering. If he goes to junior college and tears his UCL he’ll likely get picked mid-first round, and make the same money Boston is offering now. Where is the downside for not signing? The interest he could potentially make on the $3.5M ($1.75 after taxes) for the year?
You’re throwing out a lot of “If’s” in order to make a few million more and add extra year(s) to the clock to his first FA deal. Not to mention the UCL and make the money Boston is offering, is just wrong. Brady Aiken would like to have a conversation with you. I’m on record in other posts stating he won’t be taken top 10 next year, much less #1. And I’ll stand by that. Braves won’t take him #1, Twins won’t take him #1 and I can’t say I know enough about the Reds but they look more likely than not to pass on him at #1…
My comment is not filled with a lot of “IFs” as in if this happens, and this happens, and this happens…my “IFs” are more about laying out the possibilities in each scenario. However, Aiken is a good example. He passed up big money (1st pick money, but way under slot) and then got similar money to what Groome is being offered. So worst case scenario Groome gets similar money next year, and likely more.
Then you fail at comprehension b/c it clearly is; 3 uses of the word “if” containing 5 total events of those 3 uses of if…
Chound are you an idiot? He uses the “if” as in alternative scenarios all of which benefit him.
$3.5m to $4m in the bank and get your pro career started with your favorite team, or $0 go to a Juco where you really don’t want to be, with risks like injury, performance, or doing something dumb like a lot of college kids tend to do, losing him millions. He should sign, get everything he can, but sign.
My god you are stupid, you didn’t even read any of that. You couldn’t have, or you wouldn’t have opened your mouth.
You think he’s gonna get 10.5m next year?
Next year’s draft is much better overall and Groome would be turning down ~$3.5M hoping to
A) Not get hurt
B) Have a better season
Early first rounders who don’t sign have a long track record of not doing quite as well the next year:
Aiken
Funkhouser
Crow
Bickford
Whitson
Covey
Purke
Mark Appel is like the only example really of a guy who significantly improved his lot by not signing (went from 8th overall to 1st).
Or Cole 30th to 1st
How much money did aiken get after getting hurt and falling in the draft? More or less than the Red Sox are offering Groome?
He won’t be as big of a prospect next year their are some big time college players that are draft eligible next year let alone the high schoolers that will be eligible as well
Dear braves4life1
I have been observing your postings for a while and am fascinated with your unresolved passive aggressive attitude towards all things “Red Sox”. I like Teheran and Viz but your request is unrealistic and a tad delusional. If that’s what the braves front office is requesting then some other front office can put something together. Apart from Arizona I am unsure if anyone will meet yours or Atlanta’s demands…I know everyone feels we overvalue our prospects and they could be right to an extent but I am sure overvaluing Betts, Bogarts and Bradley turned out to be the right move.
All the best Braves fan…..enjoy your mediocre team for a few more years…..
He is by now quite aware of how ridiculous he appears to others, he simply doesn’t seem to mind.
Not mentioned, the Sox have to sign the 4th and 5th rounder or they lose that pool money (and the extra 10% they can use without punishment)
Good call.
Nitpicking here, but it’s actually 5% they can use without draft picks being taken away. It’s a good point though.
With Shawaryn looking for more than slot it makes it a lot more complicated than the Sox would like.
Oops. Yeah you’re right. I don’t know why I had 10% in my head
Guessing those deals are done, waiting to announce them until after Groome signs, otherwise Groome will want every dollar the Sox have left. I’m sure the Sox hope to make a run at Quintana if they can save a little of their bonus pool.
They will agree. Both sides have too much to lose. I wouldn’t be surprise to see high $3M to right at $4M. In the big picture of all the $ spent, this seems somewhat trivial on the amount that is being discussed, I hope this gets done ASAP so the Red Sox organization can remain focused on 2016 Red Sox team.
It’s about the Sox trying to save pool money so they can try to sign some of the high school kids they took after round 10. If they can save an extra 100k-200k on Groome that means they sign an extra one or two prospects from the later rounds.
For context, past Red Sox late round unsigned picks include Alex Bregman, Carson Fullmer, Matt Thaiss, Ryan Boldt, etc. So these late round HS guys are worth pushing Groome to the end for
Most of those guys were dead set on going to college that’s why they were drafted late.
Absolutely. Fullmer and Bregman specifically were guys drafted as backup plans incase the first rounder doesn’t sign/get familiar with them for future drafts. I was just trying to point out the talent that does sit there unsigned in the late rounds, as other guys get signed away from their commitments all the time.
I think it’s worth trying to save money on Groome and be able to dangle 300K-500K in front of a kid which is 4th-5th round money. That may be enough to grab someone like Nick Quintana who was projected to be around a 4th round pick
Josh Bell too!
He said he is a Red Sox fan and was happy he was drafted by them. Right now he just looks greedy. He’d be an idiot not to sign with them. Anything can happen in the next couple years if he doesn’t sign this year.
The whole Groome situation is very interesting. Normally you hear teams have pre-arranged deals before the draft, but it appears that this is not the case with Groome. If Groome truly did have a $5Mish deal with the Padres, then DD is essentially testing Groome. It’s a bold move. Last thing I’ll say is that if the information available now is correct, then there is absolutely a significant chance that the Red Sox might not sign him. This wouldn’t have been the first time DD didn’t sign his first rounder.
If groome trusts in his ability and thinks he could go number 1 next year I see no reason why he should sign
You can have all the trust in your ability you want, it’s still not a good gamble. It’s his call, but there’s plenty of reasons to take the money and get your career started.
Exactly. It’s a huge risk. And you’re risking 3.5 million for a potential of 5-6 million.
So a difference of about $2M. Fairly sure he can get an insurance policy that would cover that difference, so I honestly don’t see what the hold up is.
Who is going to pay for that insurance policy? If I am not mistaken those policies cost almost 15% of the value if not more. There was a post about insurance policies for players when people thought the Yankee’s can cash in on Arods deal. From what I read the cost for these policies is huge and only a few players have policies out on them from there teams. In this case you mention he or his family would have to pay the 15% out of there pocket and I am not so sure that is financially possible for them.
yes, id be eager to sell a policy that would give a 17 year old 2 million bucks if he slides past the 10th pick in the draft., and take on all the risk of injury, etc, etc….if the premium on the policy was at least 1.5 million
Not exactly what I meant. I’m thinking more along the lines of signing for $3.5M, then taking out a policy against future earnings, ensuring that, worst case scenario, he at least gets that extra $2M. I actually thought situations such as this were fairly common, if not, my apologies.
Groom reminds me to much like Johnny manziel I just see a money hungry kid that will mess every thing up imo
What? They have nothing in common, Manziel is into drinking an drugs, his parent’s are super rich. If Manziel was about money he would make sure he was still playing. Groome is just trying to get as much as he can, could be his only pay day.
Lol you know nothing about Johnny Manziel if you think he was a “money hungry kid.” Money was/is so far away from being a top priority for him it’s not even funny. His family is loaded. He never has to touch a football again, and he’ll still be set for life financially. It’s ALL the other things that make him an epic f-up, not being money hungry.
This comment is flat out ridiculous. In no way are Groome and Manziel in the same universe.
So in other words, you have no idea about the situation but felt compelled to comment on it.
If this kid was your son, would you tell him to just take what the Red Sox are offering? Nobody would, he should negotiate to get every dollar he can, but it is in his best interest to sign at $3.5 to $4m.
I forgot that with all you Internet trolls you can’t have your own opinion
Is there any kind of ” tampering” as far as San Diego goes? Can you have a pre-draft deal in place? You shouldn’t be able to for this reason right here. Unless you have the top pick!
thats how it works with the slot value system thats in place. players give the number they want to sign. teams say we can offer you this if you are available when we pick- will you take it?
why shouldnt they be able to do that, unless you want alot more kids drafted and not signing?
Every team has multiple pre-draft deals in place. It gets really shady with college seniors. With many it’s basically “you’re only on our draft board if you’ll agree to sign for $10k”
i’m still amazed by the kids who sign in those rounds for 10k or less. Do they simply not understand that they would be better off being drafted in round 11 or later, or do they just want to be able to tell their friends they were a top 10 pick?
mlb should put some kind of floor on those picks, that you have to get at least x percentage of the slot value.
San Diego would have had to basically flush their next 3 picks and draft senior signs in order to go almost 3 million over slot there on Groome- thats hard to believe.
Boston can go to 4 million and make that their final offer. If Groome says no, Boston just takes the #13 pick next year. Was probably worth the risk they took to give it a try.
If you were Groome, would you take $4M? Unless you’re desperate for money you shouldn’t. He’s a 6’7″ lefty who throws 95. They don’t come along often. Even in a near worst-case scenario—he tears his UCL—he’s talents will still be first-round worthy value, and even if he falls in the draft he’ll likely make the same money the Sox are offering. If he dominates college ball he’ll go top 5 and make significantly more money. The only downside is if he blows his shoulder or something crazy happens.
Tearing up Junior College isn’t going to up his stock much. It’s not like he has a strong commitment and there’s much more downside to not signing than there is upside. I expect him to sign
Yes, I would take $4M… You’d really hold out over $1M more and risk getting injured next year? That’s a dumb choice for him.
It’d be much smarter to take the money (he’s really not leaving much on the table) and get his career started a year earlier, unless you think facing JuCo batters will greatly improve his skills and fast track him to the majors the following year (it won’t). Theoretically, the sooner he starts with a big league team, the closer he is to a real payday via arbitration/extension/free agency.
Also, keep in mind that even if he does go in the top 5 or so next year, he’ll most likely be playing for a team such as the Braves, Reds, Twins, Tampa, etc. That makes signing with the Red Sox even more of a no brainer for me.
One more thing – the top 2 picks this year signed for barely over $6M. Nobody else signed for even $5M. The top 3 the year before signed for anywhere from $5.5M-$6.5M. Even if he does go at the top of the draft next year, he’s not likely making THAT much more money than he’d get this year if he signed for $4M…
exactly right. it’s not like he actually wants to go to college.
It’s very hard for me to believe too, but then again, this is aj preller we’re talking about here.
Groome is going to sign. He is just trying to get every last dollar. He realizes that all he has to do is sign on a dotted line and he is set for life. He is just using the only bargaining chip he has and that is making the Red Sox sweat.
I don’t understand why the Padres, making it known they would spend $5M on a player that isn’t their draftee, doesn’t constitute tampering. In the NFL (in context of controlled players nearing free agency) it certainly would, and the violating team would be punished, but it is seemingly commonplace among MLB draftees.
unlike your example of nfl players, these teams are not negotiating with a talent that is currently employed by another franchise.
The meetings are a lot more informal than I think most casual baseball fans would realize… But personally I really like the draft system as it is. The slotting system helps hedge against draft years where the talent isn’t as good. In a good draft year, you’re willing to give the full slot allotment to a player like Harper for example, but in a bad year you can make up for the lack of top talent by foregoing players who are slightly better but have high prices and instead going for more depth. Realistically, if the current system wasn’t in place, and teams always chose the best player available, Groome wouldn’t have made it to the Red Sox anyways.
Potential draftees are allowed to talk with many teams, all of them actually, prior to being selected. That’s how teams get an understanding of what it will take to sign a potential draftee. That’s even more critical with today’s drafting system with limited bonus pools. In this case, however, the Red Sox never had any conversations with Groome. They knew he had an understanding with some other team, but they stepped in and hoped they could sign him for less. Now its up to Groome to decide how much less he’ll take to sign with the Sox, or instead go onto a JuCo and then re-enter the draft. I suspect they’ll settle around $4MM, give or take. He still loses a million dollars because of the Red Sox’s actions.
It would be hilarious if Groome walks considering Red Sox fans have already been on here hyping him as the next great thing. I’d be kind of pissed if I had a 5 million guarantee and another team came along who I had no talks with at all and then offered me less.
Is someone deleting posts? I did not see where ”Red Sox fans have already been on here hyping him as the next great thing”.
Actually giving an unproven high school kid 3-5 mill is risky.. I hope he does go back into the draft and the sox can get a more verifiable college player next year.
Please provide evidence of your claim that he is hyped as the next great thing.
Apparently you guys weren’t reading the comments from the Red Sox fan MBoller. He was already hyping up Groome the other day. It’s not really my problem that you all didn’t see it.
The 5 mil was only if he fell to 24 and basically everyone knew even with the questions on him he wasn’t gonna fall to 24
Braves fan, send us Betts, Bradler you top prospects and the ghost of Ted Williams
Sox fan, we’ll give you 2 bats and a bag of balls.
Enough already
Tehran for betts deal?
Good call
Did you just agree with yourself? You’re both wrong, it’s a terrible trade for Boston.
Bit of a high price for a #4 pitcher, but I’d do the deal. Still can’t believe he is only 24.
m.milb.com/milb/player/657515/
Not as a Monday morning QB, just facts. The big mistake Dave D. made was in not signing Johnny Cueto. Yes it would have cost some $$$$, however, any move made now will cost $$$ and young talent.
I have a feeling some internal members pitched the Clay Pigeon as being real and Dave D. wanted to see first. J.C. loves Pedro and wanted to come to Boston. 13-1 would have been a nice addition to the staff for sure.
Now, well the first move to get the Clay Pigeon off the Team and hope you can get a few new baseballs for him.
Porcello is 11-2. Just sayin
The win is one of the least important stats in determining how valuable a pitcher is and how well he’s been performing. Just saying*
Interestingly, your comment also applies to Cueto.
Cueto had awful numbers pitching in Kansas City and more than one person was suggesting his problem was throwing in the AL Stats don’t really translate by moving a player from one to to another. Personally I think the biggest problem with the Sox right now might be the pitching coach. I mean seriously, Pedroia saw a problem with Price’s delivery before the pitching coach? If Cueto signed with Boston my guess is we’d be frustrated with him already.
adshadbolt hits the nail on the head. He was never getting to the 24 pick. If we didn’t take him, someone shortly after would have. The 5 million was a bunch of smoke. If Im running a team, I could promise him 10 million or all my overslot money if he fell to the second round or even the third. This 5 million was never relevant other than a ploy by Groome’s agent that never was going to happen. It’s not like a pick or 2 he had to fall. Lose the 5 mil figure. He probably started at 4.5 Sox counter at 3.5 and it’s gonna get done around 3.8 or 4.
Daz Cameron last year fell out of the first round last year… And he was projected to easily go top ten. It happens, but it’s risky as Groome found out to expect that.
Daz didn’t have a team offering him the money he wanted. He just had a number that he wanted which was ridiculous. And it’s the same thing with groome on top of the character concerns that the teams had.
Marlins get Pedroa
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Sox are never trading Pedroia he signed a team friendly contract with Boston to stay in Boston probably the least likely guy to get traded on the Red Sox.
I expect them to trade him. Moncada is the future at second. I would say Winter 2017 at the latest.
Moncada is moving to 3B, Pedroia is a Red Sox for life.
Silly that anyone would ever think Pedroia is playing anywhere but Boston.
Not a snow balls chance
In 2017 he will have 10/5 rights
Wow the braves guy really stirred the pot… On purpose and I think by the deadline, there will be other pitchers available… Always is
Braves guy is a troll, A bitter little man who hasn’t had a winning ball club to root for in a long time
Groome signing is a lock and has been for weeks. He would have broken off negotiations if he was serious about going onto college, or if the Red Sox weren’t in the ballpark.. He’ll get less than if he had fallen to the Padres, but certainly more than the $3.5MM the Sox offered. It’s likely a few hundred thousand difference now, which is more significant to Groome than it is to the Red Sox if they really want to sign him, which they certainly should. He was a legit #1 pick candidate. Not someone to cheap out on.