JULY 28, 7:11pm: The Mets are believed to be “behind” other organizations in pursuit of Lucroy, Jon Heyman of Fan Rag tweets. But it’s still a “fluid” pursuit for one of the best-available players this summer.
Heyman adds that there’s a mystery team involved. There’s another layer of intrigue here, perhaps, as that could be another report on a solitary, unidentified trying organization — or it may represent the second such unknown entrant to the sweepstakes. (See Crasnick’s report referenced below.)
4:29pm: The Brewers have “re-engaged” with the Mets on Lucroy after New York’s initial offer was reportedly deemed light, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter). That doesn’t mean that the sides are anywhere close to a deal, he cautions, but it seems at least that there’s more to discuss.
3:35pm: Crasnick now tweets that the Astros aren’t believed to be in play for Lucroy, with a source telling him that Houston’s interest was previously overstated.
JULY 27, 7:35pm: The Indians have spoken to the Brewers about both Lucroy and left-handed reliever Will Smith, according to Crasnick (on Twitter). A left-handed reliever has long been said to be one of Cleveland’s top priorities, so the addition of Smith to talks is natural and one that we’ve speculated upon in the past. The 27-year-old Smith was in the mix to be Milwaukee’s closer but suffered a freak knee injury in Spring Training and missed upwards of two months due to a partially torn LCL. He somewhat improbably avoided surgery and is back in the Milwaukee ’pen, with a 3.72 ERA and an 18-to-8 K/BB ratio in 19 1/3 innings. Smith took his game from solid relief arm to lights-out lefty last season when he posted a 2.70 ERA with 12.9 K/9 against 3.4 BB/9 in 63 1/3 innings and is controllable through 2019.
6:10pm: The Brewers’ trade talks surrounding catcher Jonathan Lucroy are picking up, per ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick (links to Twitter). The Indians, Rangers, Mets, Astros and Red Sox have all been mentioned in connection with Lucroy, Crasnick notes, and offers being made by other clubs have become more serious recently. Crasnick adds that the the ever-popular “mystery team” may have entered the mix as well.
While that typically leads to a large amount of speculation, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports may have quickly shed some light on the matter, reporting that the Tigers are a somewhat surprising new entrant into the Lucroy market. He hypothesizes that Detroit could offer James McCann to the Brewers in a similar manner to the Mets’ reported offer of Travis d’Arnaud, though Milwaukee will want more than that in exchange. The Brewers, per Rosenthal, are seeking high-end prospects back in addition to any catcher that is offered in exchange for Lucroy.
While there’s a common belief that Lucroy will indeed be traded prior to the Aug. 1 non-waiver deadline, Rosenthal writes that the Mets feel that Milwaukee is “overreaching” in its asks for Lucroy, while AL West contenders like the Astros and Rangers are more focused on adding pitching depth than a catcher at this time. Houston is also looking at other backstops, he notes, so it’s not a guarantee that even if they move for a catcher, Lucroy would be the target. Meanwhile, MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan tweets that the Rangers have yet to show serious interest in Lucroy and consider adding a catcher to be a “luxury” at this point, as pitching depth remains their primary focus. Those tweets came prior to Texas’ acquisition of Lucas Harrell and Dario Alvarez from the Braves, but one would assume that those two arms alone have not ended the Rangers’ search for pitching upgrade.
Lucroy, who turned 30 last month, is hitting .301/.362/.486 with 13 homers, 16 doubles and three triples on the season while playing excellent defense. He’s earning a modest $4MM salary in 2016 (of which about $1.46MM remains), and his contract contains an exceptionally affordable $5.25MM club option for the 2017 campaign.
strke3
If they don’t get the package they want keep him and look for options in the off season.
jimmyduz
He’s gonna be a Met by monday, just watch.
spartyon
Now I haven’t been paying as close attention to the Tigers minor league teams as I usually do and I’m not 100% sure how to value the players but how does McCann, Moya and Burrows sound for Lucroy? McCann is a stud on defense and has shown he can be a good mlb hitter last year, if not for the injuries at the beginning of the year he would be hitting better and he is an incredibly hard worker. Moya needs to work on defense but has legit 40 homer power and has improved on strikeouts. Burrows has been a very good pitcher for the Tigers in the minors and will probably show up on top 100 list. Let me know if this is a decent or terrible trade scenario.
baumer16
That would be a bad trade for the Brewers. I don’t think the Tigers have the prospects to get a deal like that done. I honestly think it’s just the Brewers saying Tigers are interested to get the Indians to up their offer
spartyon
Yeah you are most likely right
mikeyst13
As far as what the Tigers can offer McCann, Burrows, and any of their top 4 OF prospects (Moya, Hill, Stewart, Gerber) is not a bad offer. That being said, they don’t have the firepower to out bid Houston, Cleveland, Texas, or Boston if any of them make a push. Even if they don’t, not sure that’s enough to persuade Milwaukee not to just hold on to him and either try to re-up or trade him in the off-season.
spartyon
Well the other teams could be focusing on other positions like SP(Boston, Houston and Texas) or RP like Cleveland.
drewm
If McCann is a stud then why would you trade him? … because he isn’t.
mikeyst13
To be fair he said a stud on defense. Only 5 PB in 2 years and 41% CS and 52% this year (albeit in a fairly small sample size) does put him in that discussion.
stymeedone
Along with his McCannon of an arm, he has saved so many wild pitches on the part of the Tigers staff. Milwaukee would be in good hands with him behind the plate for the next four years. As to why the Tigers would trade him, you have to give up something of quality to get something of quality. The Tigers pretty much have this year and next before they start losing key pieces of their lineup, and their owner is aging. They might offer more than those other teams, because they are more motivated to, not because they have a deeper system.
spartyon
Well McCann is a stud on defense and has very nice potential on offense for a catcher. I don’t really want to trade him but this is the Tigers last shot at a WS with this core. Lucroy is better than McCan now.
ryanh48
As a huge tigers fan who loves McCann’s effort and play, a package of him, moya/jones/gerber/Stewart, burrows/manning, and a low level prospect should be suffice
ryanh48
Maybe Jimenez
MilwaukeeBravesFan 2
Hate to break it to you, but the Tigers farm is as bare as it gets… no top 100 guys.
vvadnala
With today’s update on MLB pipeline, they do now: #81 Matt Manning. Though I doubt he would be in play after just drafting him. Maybe McCann, Moya, and another non-Jimenez pitching prospect like Ziomek
esjek21
Where did McCann show he could be a good hitter? He has NEVER had an OBP above .300 in the majors. His defense is average at best. Moya is also below .300 OBP in the minor leagues. Burrows is a #1 pick and a decent start to the deal.
spartyon
Minor league success and a decent BA as a rookie that should be improved in. His defense is definitely gold glove level, just watch him. Moya has made some huge improvements in the minors hi year
emac22
It’s funny that a trades between teams that help’s both teams in the short and long term is somehow considered a unicorn these days. Is that because we no longer value balance?
drewm
It has gone the way of the dodo, much like appropriate punctuation use
spartyon
Actually I just checked Burrows stats and he isn’t doing as well as I thought. Idk where my other comment went
drewm
McCann isn’t even the beginning of an offer. It shouldn’t even be mentioned, it’s not even comical, it’s sad.
spartyon
No McCann is a very good young catcher. He has gold gloves in his future and has shown he can hit at the big league level. He is starting to hit better as of late and scouts have said they see 20 homer potential.
ryanh48
My guess a package would be centered around burrows, an outfielder (Stewart, gerber, moya), McCann, maybe Jimenez, and a low level prospect
baumer16
That package couldn’t get you a reliever in this market let alone one of the best catchers in the game. I don’t see a match at all with Detroit but if I had to pick a centerpiece it would have to be Norris
Crewfan620
Obviously all speculation here, but the Mets think Milwaukee is overreaching when we turned down a 1-1 deal for d’Arnaud? Seems like we are probably missing part of that story or deal
thunder12k
Well if the Mets offered d’Arnaud 1 for 1 and Milwaukee countered with d’Arnaud and Ahmed Rosario, then yeah I would say they are overreaching.
baumer16
Ha no that wouldn’t be an overreach at all.
MilwaukeeBravesFan 2
d’Arnaud… the Brewers d’Ontwanthim. You’re basically saying that Lucroy for Rosario straight up is overreaching. It’s not.
esjek21
The Brewers have told the Mets they are uninterested in Rosario. They already have one of the top SS prospects in Arcia and they have Villar doing very well at Milwaukee. Plus they have two or three very good SS prospects in the minors. They are looking for pitching, not SS.
staypuft
Highly doubt it was 1-1. My guess is that the source probably mentioned TDA as the centerpiece of a deal without mentioning who the other pieces would be. Hard to tell what’s true and false with all the anonymous sources that sports media has to rely on.
drewm
1-for-1 would be a terrible, horrible trade. Feel free to think it wouldn’t be. It’s just bad, and I’m glad my GM knows better.
Matt Galvin
Needs to happen tonight.
bravesred 2
I agree. I want a trade before I go to sleep.
Matt Galvin
Indians close on Lucroy and Smith per Crasnick Twitter account. We had th Braves and Rangers Trade today.
baumer16
Where does Crasnick say they are close? I just saw they had discussed it
Matt Galvin
mobile.twitter.com/jcrasnick
Also Lucroy in Lineup.
MilwaukeeBravesFan 2
I’m not holding my breath, but would much rather have a deal with the Indians than any of the other teams mentioned… they could actually put together a decent package without gutting their farm.
baumer16
He never says they are close.
CTBrowns
In fact, he replied to one inquiry that he did NOT think the Indians would ‘get him(Lucroy)’
MilwaukeeBravesFan 2
Crasnick was responding to a Mets fan (@Drella99)… meaning that he doesn’t think the Mets will get Lucroy.
Brewerswin
I just hope the Brewers don’t trade him for catchers that aren’t even as good as Maldonado!! In order to get Lucroy the team better be giving up a top of the line prospect. If not then trade him in the off season but I think that someone will pay what the Brewers want. McCann and D’Arnaud should not be the center piece in a trade. There is a reason why the Mets and tigers want Lucroy.
stymeedone
Yes, both the Tigers and Mets are competing during Lucroys contract. Milwaukee is unlikely to. As a Tigers fan, I would like to see them keep McCann, but I realize that Lucroy is the better of the two, currently. In three years, tho, Lucroy will be elsewhere and McCann will be much improved.
takeyourbase
Twins should be all over this guy. I’m sure I’m gonna hear all about how they need to sell but as they intend to contend in 17 this is the type of guy they need to acquire.
Brewerswin
McCann and D’Arnaud are horrible and the Brewers would be insane to trade for either of those two for Lucroy. If they aren’t getting top tier prospects then hold on to him until they do. Otherwise let him walk and take the compensation pick. In order to get Jonathan Lucroy a team is going to have to pay for it.
MilwaukeeBravesFan 2
“Rosenthal writes that the Mets feel that Milwaukee is “overreaching” in its asks for Lucroy…”
LOL! I read this as “there’s an unbelievable amount of stupidity going on in the Mets’ front office.”
baumer16
Ya and the funny part is they offered D’arnaud for Lucroy thinking that was fair but the Brewers are the ones “overreaching,” in their demands. Hahaha. They sound lost
User 4245925809
D’arnaud has had 2 seasons and hasn’t figured out how to hit, nor catch yet. He’d be a decent backup for some team, but not a starter.
Mets fans thinking he’s worth a full season of one of the better ones in the game are just wrong. Can’t think of why Boston is looking at him tho. Sure.. Leon has been a fluke with the bat, but his glove have always been solid and he has always had a cannon arm and the unfortunately sent Vazquez to the minors, who has an even better glove and arm than does Leon.
Hannigan is as good as is D’arnaud, only is 35YO, is guaranteed 3m this year why C-Vaz went down. They don’t need another bat in Lucroy with the game’s top offense as it is.
jakec77
I get that D’Arnaud isn’t going to land Lucroy, but you are just wrong about his bat. . He had a .825 OPS last year, which I believe put him 2nd among catchers- he’s figured out how to hit. Even his .defensive issues are overrated. No, his real problem is he hasn’t figured out how to stay healthy.
Even so, it’s laughable to suggest that he’s just a “decent backup”; he’s a starting caliber catcher at the major league level, you just better have an actual “decent backup” as well, because the backup is likely to play more games that D’Arnaud.
stl_cards16 2
He just has to push Red Sox into every conversation. It’s funny that d’arnaud “can’t hit” but then he only talks about the Boston catcher’s defense even thoughtthey’re in the most hitter friendly division in baseball.
MilwaukeeBravesFan 2
“No, his real problem is he hasn’t figured out how to stay healthy.”
Why would the Brewers want to trade away a healthy All-Star catcher for a catcher with this problem? I’m not trying to trash talk his potential, but can we agree that there is no reason for him to even be in any deal besides the fact that the Mets want to deal him, and think the Brewers should magically view him as valuable to their organization. At this point, he’s still on a rehab assignment and can’t even take over for Lucroy… Fortunately, the Brewers already have a fill-in ready at AAA that’s currently slashing .341/.382/.524 on the year.
hojostache
.825OPS / 125 OPS+….”he hasn’t figured out how to hit”? This numbers don’t jive.
Yes he has injuries. Yes he is having a down year. However, he has multiple years of control and has shown he has a bat. He is working on his arm, while also being one of the best pitch framers in the league.
User 4245925809
Bugger off kid. You stick your nose into every topic, even ones where you’ve got no idea what is going on. Maybe watch a few more games at both the MLB and Milb levels before showing that opinion of yours and some will take ur opinion seriously rather than weeing right thru that ur just some silly kid.
hojostache
johnsilver,
I actual watch every Met game and a quite a few other MLB/MiLB games on a regular basis.
Again, I’ll bring statistics into the conversation; I’m sorry if the numbers go over your head, but this is how adult baseball fans engage in discourse (that means debate).
TD (AA): .303 / .362 / .530 / .892
JL (AA): .284 / .394 / .426 / .820
TD (AAA): .339 / .407 / .622 / 1.029
JL (AAA): .253 / .286 / .368 / 654 (albeit a small sample size)
Here are the stats for 2015-2016 (MLB)
TD (MLB): ..260 / .327 / .433 / .760
JL (MLB): .281 / .343 / .436 / .779
TD has 3 more years of control than JL, which is why a 1:1 was the opening offer. It should take more because TD is having a down year, but even with a down year he matches up favorably to Lucroy because of the 3 years of additional control.
rocky7
Johnsilver
Most of your comments are usually pretty good although a bit too much bragging about how many games you watch.
I’m not a Mets fan, but to say that Hannigan is as good as is D’arnaud well your just a little dilusional friend, He’s 35YO and was washed up as a starter when he was with Tampa Bay. And, C-Vaz doesn’t deserve a nickname with the game he brings which was why Dave sent him down.
metseventually
I mean, it’s the same front office that got Wheeler for Beltran, Syndergaard/d’Arnaud for Dickey and Herrera for Byrd. Pretty smart there.
EndinStealth
Why? Do you know the entirety of the Mets offer.
rollin2nyte
Likely included Wilmer Flores and Kleenex offered to rename Miller Park.
Yekatman
“Overreaching,” what unbelievably lame commentary on the part of the Mets! There’s a team going nowhere.
hojostache
You mean the 2015 Nl Champs?
They are only 6 back in the division race and 1.5 games back in the WC race.
staypuft
I guess those two front offices are meant for each other then.
EndinStealth
+1
Luke7799
The Brewers have literally an entirely new front office from last year. There are like 5 scouts left from the administration that was part of the failed deal last year.. Stearns has been praised by Avila (K-Rod deal), and Dombrowski for being fair and easy to deal with.
BoldyMinnesota
Stearns is having a great year. Got villar for nothing, carters been alright, junior Guerra was a great pickup. Was he the one who also did the Gomez deal, or was that the old FA?
11Bravo
Doug Melvin was behind the Carlos Gomez trade
Connorsoxfan
Bo Sox could maybe offer Swihart and more pieces to add Smith/Jeffress with Lucroy. Would fill the two biggest needs on the roster.
mikeyst13
Swihart’s value is firmly tied to if he can stay behind the plate or not, which has really come into question. If Milwaukee doesn’t see him there he becomes an average corner OF. For a package of Lucroy and one of the relievers I think Milwaukee starts with Devers and some more pieces. They don’t necessarily need a catcher in return. They have 2 guys hitting well at AAA and could always find a serviceable guy in free agency until Nottingham is ready.
esjek21
Devers is a DH, period. He is a butcher at 3B and has no value to Milwaukee.
Bruin1012
Have you watched Devers play just curious because I have just the opposite that his glove will play at third and certainly first base.
mikeyst13
Devers has greatly improved his defense. Has a .974 fielding percentage this year and has the arm to stick at 3B. Only question is his range and if he can keep his weight down. If he can’t he may have to move to 1B, which is still a position of need for the Brewers.
staypuft
I think they need another starting pitcher more than catcher at this point.
Connorsoxfan
To be fair to Swihart, he struggled the most catching Wright, as do many catchers. Swihart was maybe a second piece in the deal, not a headlining guy. Just threw him out as part of the package to give Milwaukee someone to throw behind the plate in the short term. They could also use another reliever and a SP. Catcher is probably their third biggest problem (behind starters and relievers) but those are really the only three problems to address. And maybe left field.
Bruin1012
Hannigan gets sick evert time he had to catch Wright?
brewerswin
The Brewers don’t have to trade him if teams aren’t going to pay. There is a reason the Mets and tigers want Lucroy!! Maldonado is just as good as either of those catchers. Brewers need top prospects and nothing short of that. A team will eventually step in and give the Brewers what they want. Lucroy is a great addition to any team and will be missed in Milwaukee but it’s business.
bobbleheadguru
I would not trade James McCann.. He is a elite defensive catcher. They don’t grow on trees. His hitting will come around.
drewm
Good defensive catchers are a dime a dozen. Most teams have two of them.
Cam
What makes you say his hitting will come around? He’s been as poor of a hitter in the Majors as he was in the Minors – doesn’t even crack a .700 OPS in his MiLB career.
He’s simply not a good hitter.
spartyon
He really developed his last two years in the minors. Put up some good numbers
dontknowmuch
Rangers, pitching, pitching and more pitching. High cost catcher would be a luxury and would burn tradable assets needed for a controllable starter
richardb21
As an Astros fan I cannot figure out why the front office is chasing pitching over hitting. Their pitching has been one of the best over the last month or so. The problem is the offense when you start Rasmus, Gomez, Gattis, Castro and Marisnick and none of them are above .230. Lucroy and Bruce should be their top targets. Hitting is what will keep them out of the playoffs.
astros_fan_84
There’s no reason for the Astros to trade for Lucroy while Jason Castro is on the roster. I think this is a smoke screen so that Rangers will bite.
brewcrewfan414
I hope we don’t trade him to Astros. Even though Stearns knows their system, he has done enough business with them and needs to make trades with other clubs. Please no deals with Mets. Or maybe do a deal with Mets then fail a player on his physical when buyer remorse happens ala Carlos Gomez deal last year. Worked out fine, but still screw the Mets front office.
jjgreedy
On 105.7 the Fan it was reported Stearns was asking for a teams number 1 prospect and 2 mid level prospects for Jeffrees alone. I can’t wait to see what Lucroy brings back. This is going to be the trade that defines Stearns career here in Milwaukee.
Bruin1012
This is why very few trades are getting done this year way to high of asking prices.
EndinStealth
Don’t get me wrong with my comments, Lucroy is a good talent, but part of his success comes from playing at Miller park. Although Milwaukee is no Colorado, Baltimore or Toronto the park is a hitters park. Lucroy has hit 70 percent of his hr at home this year. He’s hitting 20 points higher at home as compared to the road. More rbis and more runs scored at home. Trading him to a pitchers park like Detroit would likely put a hit on his numbers. Like I said he is a good talent, but people are wanting returns like he was Piazza in his prime.
mikeyst13
The career numbers would suggest otherwise.
2013- .274/.338/.444 11 2B 9 HR at home .286/.341/.465 14 2B 9 HR road.
2104- .307/.381/.440 19 2B 6 HR home .295/.365/.487 34 2B 7 HR road
2015- .207/.290/.337 7 2B 3 HR home .312/.357/.436 13 2B 4 HR road.
Til this year he’s actually been better on the road.
Cam
For his career, Lucroy has an OPS of .789 at home, and .770 on the road. Remarkably consistent.
It’s a bit rough to say he’s hit 70% of his home runs at home this year, when your sample size is all of 13.
Lucroy is a prime case of not having extreme home and away splits.
CTBrowns
Finally some common sense. Good points.
11Bravo
I don’t understand your point. Yeah he’s batting 20 points lower on the road but he’s still batting
.291. Most players hit lower on the road compared to at home. Trout is hitting 40 points lower on the road compared to home. Does that mean he’s a product of his home park?
drewm
I don’t suppose you’ve bothered to see how far back into the stands his dingers land? When he connects it’s gone in any park. He shouldn’t be that strong for his size but he makes great contact.
wag2
Dumb comment Drew. Please use your head.
-Sincerely, everyone who thinks before posting comments
EndinStealth
Simply put I still say his numbers would drop in Detroit. People are wanting value for him like he’s a first ballot hof.
11Bravo
And rightfully so. He’s a controllable catcher for all of 2017 at a bargain basement price that can also play 1B in a pinch. If the team that trades from him this year doesn’t compete in 2017 he becomes another trade piece. The team can regain some of the prospects they lose this year
11Bravo
Lucroy’s bat actually translates well to Comerica. In 2014 he broke the record for doubles in a single season by a catcher, previously held by none other than Pudge Rodriguez. A gap to gap hitter would benefit from a “larger” ballpark like Comerica
max l
I’m gonna say the Nationals are the ever popular mystery team. Could use another bat (albeit should focus on a closer more), but even though Ramos is signed through 2017 (same as LuCroy) they could always use him at first when Ryan Zimmerman inevitable gets hurt again. Plus they are running Ramos into the ground this year, since Lobton can’t hit his way out of a paper bag, and this would be a way to get Ramos extra rest down the stretch without having an automatic out from the position on the offensive end.
11Bravo
Nats have the farm system as well. Victor Robles would look awfully nice in a Brewers uniform 3 years from now.
Fabela14
Why don’t the Astros try to get someone that’s just as reliable but cheaper like Kurt Suzuki
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I feel sorry for Lucroy if he goes to new York. It will be nice to have him out of the NL central. But the Mets aren’t really all that great.
wag2
Yeah sure…because deGrom, Syndergaard, Colon, and Matz are just terrible…and Cespedes??? Terrible. Same with Walker, Reyes, Conforto, Loney, and Granderson. Add Lucroy and they would basically be the worst team in baseball…
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Reyes is terrible. He’s isn’t an upgrade or downgrade from the dude that was crying last year. Then again he’s not very good anyway. But really walker and cespedes are their best players. Loney hasn’t been. Good since his Dodgers days. He still can’t hit a curveball. He’s like Jose Hernandez.
wag2
The Mets are a good team…they’re a couple games out of a wild card spot and a few games out of 1st in their division…add Lucroy and that could defiantly push them over the border and get them into the playoffs.
staypuft
I feel more sorry if he stays in Milwaukee tho
Bob M.
Buh bye Evan Gattis if Lucroy comes. Good riddance.
Bob M.
Though he does have an option and can come up in September
Howard-NY13
Lucroy to Indians
Matt Galvin
Needs to,happen today so then the Teams who didn’t get him can go to the next option if it’s Norris or Suzuki or so on.
max l
I’m sure the Brewers really care about the teams that miss out on LuCroy. They are going to get the best deal, whether it be midnight on July 28, 10 AM on July 30, 3:59 on August 1, or on December 25. Teams that miss out on him and then Norris should blame themselves if they can’t upgrade because Norris is available.
cbf82
Stop including him in rumors with Texas! I swear this is like 4 or 5 years running, same garbage, Lucroy linked to Texas, Lucroy linked to Texas.. If JD didnt pull the trigger on him by now, its a pretty good chance he never will!!
staypuft
He’s a very, very good ballplayer but it’s possible the market isn’t as strong for him as many of us think it should be.
It seems like some of the teams that would have to give up promising assets for this guy are prioritizing other needs, like starting pitching and shutdown relievers.
If the Brewers are feigning interest in a deal with the Mets though, I wonder if other teams will start to bid. Surely the Rangers, Red Sox, and Indians could offer better chips than the mets?
amazinspence
Go for it Alderson. Here me out seven line army:
Mets: C Lucroy
RHP Jeffress
Brewers: C D’Arnaud
OF Nimmo
1B D. Smith
Mets need another arm in the bullpen, Brewers need building pieces for the future. Lucroy wants to play for a contender. Duda is the future, along with potentially Lucroy. The last time the Mets traded for an all star catcher he wound up in Cooperstown, congrats Mike. OF and 1B are more congested then C for Mets. Smith can be the future in Milwaukee at 1B. Nimmo will be an above average everyday OF. Gotta think about Cespedes’ option after the season, plus Lucroy has one more year of control. Only untouchables are Herrera, and Rosario. #LGM
baumer16
Awful deal for the Brewers
frunkus
Teams looking for a catcher should check with the Yankees. They still seem interested in shedding payroll and if they go all in sell, perhaps McCann could be had. They’ve already got Sanchez waiting in the wings at AAA. They might be interested in shedding McCann’s remaining salary and years and get younger behind the dish
KillahAC
Let’s Go Red Sox!!
Matt Galvin
Deal could be near with lots of engaging going on and also Blue Jays could be close to aquiring another LH like Boone Logan or maybe Daniel Hudson because looking for one.
villariousfind
Think zobrist would be good comp trade last year, and A’s got maneaa and Aron Brooks. Maneaa was top 10 and Brooks was lottery, for 1 yr rental. Same type player, good hit, decent pop, but lucroy has cheap extra year control.
Thinking return return for lucroy from Indians should be one of Frazier/summer/Bradley, Francisco Mejia, and low level prospect.
Want Smith too? Either mckenzie/Hillman and another low level prospect.
jimmyduz
He’s gonna be a Met just watch.
vacommish
One mystery team could be the Braves. They are in the market with AJ a FA at yard end and Tyler Flowers as a back up. They have been linked to Cervelli and Weiters, but with that former extended by the Pirate and the later to command big money, they Braves may surprise by making a deadline deal for either Lucroy or Norris. Lucroy would be an ideal target to work with their baby Braves pitching staff while providing another solid bat in a currently weak lineup.
chuckn9ne
I feel like the mystery team is the Rays
ammiel
I think the Mariners may be considering a crack at Lucroy, they are surely thinking win in 2017 at least, maybe give up Paxton, Zunino and Oneill to get him, thinking outside the square, he is a clear upgrade. Paxton is a steep price but pitching prospects are on the horizon like Yarborough and Parker, probably set for promotions some time next season.
baseball1279
Chances redsox land Lucroy??
jaa182
My guess is that this deal gets done. It just makes too much sense for both clubs not to. I also think Will Smith ends up being part of the deal in the end as he fits in with the Indians needs and pay structure.
It is likely that Milwaukee will demand at least two Top 100 prospects in return for Lucroy and Smith. Cleveland is reported to be very hesitant to part with Frazier or Zimmer. Assuming they are untouchable, how does this sound?
Cleveland gets:
Jonathan Lucroy
Will Smith (the LHP, not the actor)
Milwaukee gets:
Brady Aiken (LHP, #79 overall prospect)
Justus Sheffield (LHP, #95 overall prospect)
Francisco Mejia (C, #5 catching prospect)
Nolan Jones (3B)
Triston McKenzie (RHP)
This deal allows the Indians to avoid dealing 3 of their top 4 prospects. From Milwaukee’s perspective, they would be getting 5 of Cleveland’s top 10 prospects, all 20 years or younger at positions of need and several with significant upside. This is in line with what Stearns is trying to accomplish.
Thoughts? As a Brewers fan, am I reaching too much or is this close to being a balanced deal? I could see Milwaukee including a couple of their own prospects in a deal such as this and as always I’m sure there will be a few lottery tickets involved.
baumer16
Uhhh this deal is awful for the Brewers. If the Brewers accepted this I would be pissed. The deal for Aroldis Chapman, a closer as a half year rental is comparable to this but you want to give them Lucroy and Smith and we don’t get a single top 75 prospect? I’m pretty sure if this was the deal Stearns would have made it months ago.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
There’s a very good chance Chapman re-signs with the cubs. It was part of the deal they likely have a verbal agreement. But nothing will be signed until the season is over.
baumer16
Honestly what is the point of a verbal agreement? That doesn’t make any sense
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Because then they will work out an actual contract. There’s no way Theo gives up 2 top prospects for a rental if he didn’t think he could re-sign Chapman.
baumer16
Every news source has said there has been no talks of extension. There is no point of a verbal agreement unless it’s pending medicals or something. If Chapman agreed to just a verbal agreement that means he likes the Cubs offer but still want to see what the market has to offer in free agency. Which basically means there is no extension
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
That doesn’t mean jacks*** if no one has reported it. They don’t have to say nada. He’s not gonna get more than 5 years/80mil. He should take that. And run. Plus it sounds like he didnt want to leave the jankees to begin with. Its the jon Lester situation. The janks lowballed Chapman so they traded him. Now he’s with a good team. Giving up only 2 prospects isn’t bad of they turn it to 5 years.
redsoxx222
Lucroy and jeffres to the red sox for blake swihart, bucholtz, henry owens, bryce brentz
redsoxx222
Swihart is proven he can hit and play both catcher and the outfield decently, bucholtz is a good mlb player that just needs a change of scenery, owens was a top prospect that struggled at mlb start but could work back in a new system and bryce brentz showed flashes this passed week up at fenway of being a good use to a team that could use a extra outfielder
greenmonsternews
BoSox, ‘Stros interested in Lucroy still after trade with CLE falls through.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Lucroy seems selfish for vetoing this trade chance to go to a winning team for the first time in his career. He can opt out for next year go anywhere a catcher is needed. And get 140mil over 5 or 6 years.