After breaking down the dismal state of the starting pitching supply on this summer’s trade market, Jon Heyman of Fan Rag goes on to provide news and notes on all thirty teams. Among those of chief relevance to the trade deadline:
- At least one unnamed executive thinks that Rays righty Chris Archer is a good bet to be traded, as ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark reports. But an anoynymous general manager tells Heyman that he’s getting quite a different feel. “There’s no belief Chris Archer will be traded,” the GM reportedly said. It’s always tough to know how to interpret the signals on high-level, controllable players, but suffice to say that Archer remains a player to watch — but not one who should be assumed to be on the move.
- The Athletics are “not engaging” competitors in talks on Sonny Gray, which obviously supports the idea that there’s no real interest in exploring a deal while his value is down. Neither are the Angels inclined to chat on Matt Shoemaker, albeit for somewhat different reasons.
- Likewise, the Braves are putting out the vibe that they won’t trade Julio Teheran. But that’s not necessarily the case with regarded to reliever Arodys Vizcaino. Though he’s on the DL with an injured oblique — which is certainly not an easy injury to gauge a timeline from — Atlanta is still getting trade hits and may yet look to move him, per the report. Personally, I have a hard time seeing a sufficient offer developing given the uncertainty.
- Though the Braves would love to find a taker for struggling shortstop Erick Aybar, Heyman says there’s no real interest in the veteran. Atlanta has mostly been engaged in discussions on its part-time role players, and doesn’t seem particularly likely to be involved in any major swaps — though it’s wise never to rule out a creative surprise. After all, who saw last summer’s 13-player trade coming together?
- The Cubs remain on the periphery of the starting pitching market but are suggesting to other organizations that they don’t expect to land a starter. Certainly, it seems, Chicago won’t burn up too much prospect capital just for a back-end hurler. That’s not surprise, as the Cubs have a perfectly sturdy starting five as well as some depth options.
- That’s not to say that the Cubs aren’t still poking around, with Heyman noting that the team spoke to the Mariners about James Paxton and Taijuan Walker. Other organizations have as well, including the Rangers. A Seattle source tells Heyman that a trade of either young starter remains unlikely, though the team isn’t taking anything off the table at this point. From where I sit, it’s tough to imagine either player changing hands; Seattle will surely want to see whether Paxton can harness his improving stuff, while Walker isn’t at full health.
- It’s not clear how the Tigers will be able to upgrade their starting staff, but the report suggests they’d like to. Detroit doesn’t want to deal any of its significant prospects and doesn’t have a lot of room to add salary, per Heyman. That doesn’t really leave much of a realistic path to improvement, though perhaps the team can find some supplemental assets with a little creativity.
Who do y’all think the Braves get in a Tehran trade
Braves fans just stop with Julio Teheran trade rumors he’s not as good as you thought
Teheran is the most underrated player in the league he throws a shutout every start but he never wins because his offense stinks
Stop it he’s a number 3 on playoff caliber team he is a nice pitcher but let’s be real his peripherals and advanced stats say he is Porcello at best.
Yes, but 3s pitch in the playoffs.
And I agree with that but let’s call him what he is a number 3 on a good team lets not pretend he is pseudo number 1 or even a 2 on a good team.
He can be a low 2 on a playoff team, high 3. Ask the Mets right now if they would take a low 2/high 3 in their rotation. You never know when an injury will happen. More likely it happens at innings 180 and above just before playoff time.
Like I said I think Teheran is a fine pitcher on a very team friendly contract but cmon the guy is a heavy fly ball pitcher he would struggle in the Al in my opinion. Just my opinion but in the AL he is a three.
Fair opinion, guess it just fends on what the GMs think. Shelby Miller trade aside, I am still surprised there hasn’t been an extreme overpay yet, but I guess that is what the next 9 days are about.
Yes we shall see should be interesting.
Depends on the AL park. You put him in large parks like KC,Detroit,or Sea he would do a lot better than at Balt,NYY, or Bos. Just sayin’
Yes and I agree with that as well he is a heavy fly ball pitcher that would struggle some in AL East parks. Does not take anything away just not a good fit in those parks.
As a Cubs fan myself I must say you are very ignorant and are blinded by pure fanboyism.. In his 4 years as a starter he has had an ERA under 3.00 in 3 of them.
Not as much as some Braves fans want to believe!
Braves will not trade Teheran unless it’s for the Greatest Baseball Player in the MLB, Mike Trout. Of course it would take a LARGE package to get Trout
That’s just untrue
braves4life1, I’m convinced that you are arguing with yourself using other accounts. ‘bravesfan’ or ‘braves1234’
lol kayrall
Obviously you’re under valuing Teheran, braves4life1.
Clearly it would have to be a 3 way deal with Angels and Nationals to get something like that done. Something like Braves getting Mike Trout and Bryce Harper, Teheran going to the Nats, and the Angels get the Braves 34th, 37th, 42nd, 58th, and 81st best prospects in their system.
Angels should be happy, they get 5 players they control until they release them next spring. Nats should be happy, they don’t have to give up more than one player to get Teheran.
Braves kind of getting the shaft here, but maybe Angels and Nats could add some money to offset Trout’s huge contract and Harper’s huge arbitration raise they’d be absorbing.
Trouts contract isn’t bad at all
Oh that’s the problem you see here? Haha
Lmao. what? How is that a fair deal? Angels would need to get the Braves entire farm for a trade to happen+Julio and Freeman.
That is a ridiculous statement and I am a Braves fan.
Dude read the comment sections of any other story this month. You will see all the ridiculous trade scenarios people have come up with
I’ve heard they won’t trade unless they get a package similar to what they got for Shelby Miller last year
Who do the Braves get for Teheran? As of right now? Nothing if his lat strain is serious. Before this possible DL inducing injury? Not sure, but a I am pretty sure it won’t be for as much as Braves fans think he’s worth. In the age of sabermetric stats Teheran’s FIP is almost as worrisome as Shelby Miller’s was to me. And look how Miller’s doing now. Not saying Teheran faces the same fate as Miller, but I wouldn’t be shocked if Teheran’s numbers start inflating to the level his FIP indicates. He has a career 3.33 ERA but a career 3.88 FIP. Generally a pitchers FIP and ERA are much more in line with each other than the 55 point gap Teheran has. Example: Jon Lester has a career 3.51 ERA and 3.54 FIP……… Jake Arrieta has a career 3.55 ERA and a 3.48 FIP……… Gerrit Cole has a 3.07 ERA and a 2.91 FIP…….. Greinke 3.36 ERA 3.32 FIP…………. Chris Sale 2.95 ERA 3.06 FIP……….. Jose Quintana 3.42 ERA 3.46 FIP……………. I can go on, but you get the point.
Why are so many teams interested in sonny gray? Dude has a era of 5
Young, controllable, cheap, ace-like track record and hes on a bad team.
I don’t think many teams feel like hes an ERA of 5 kind of guy
Because he’s a star having a bad year
Not trying to be sarcastic. Or bait a ridiculous argument. But what makes Gray so much higher than Teheran? Similar stats, Gray is having a bad year, as did Julio last year.
I know this site gets bogged down with one guy, Teheran this year. Outside of Gray being in arbitration, is that the big thing.
Gogerty, You can’t ask them that question man. They have no response that is reasonable. They will say look at the adv. metrics yet both players have the exact same. Then they will say he’s from the AL, when that realistically doesn’t make a damn difference.
He’s an ace having a bad year. Buy low.
The Braves should roll the dice and get Sonny Gray. Take a chance on Gray turning it around.
Braves fans should be happy you arent the gm. You seem very willing to buy pieces they dont need nor should prospects away for.
Rome wasnt built in a day and rebuilding takes time. Stop being impatient.
They are NOT selling low on Gray.
Because smart baseball people don’t judge a guy based on half a season.
He’s on a sorry team! No help!
And the braves are just as sorry.
Very much disagree with that assessment.
You are right about that. Currently, the Braves are as sorry as the Halos. The only difference is the Braves have the Farm talent to change that. What about the Halos??
They have an owner that will open his checkbook. That is just as important, if not moreso, than a good farm system. Seriously, when was the last time the Giants had really good farm talent (not just 1 or 2 guys) and they have won three out of 6 titles. Most of their homegrown guys are playing well above their prospect level (Posey and MadBum excluded). A farm is important, but not the only important thing.
and how many titles have the “open checkbook” Yanks and Dodgers won in the last 16 years? If you notice, they both have been changing their philosophies as of late. to say that SF hasn’t drafted and developed well is shortsighted…bought team’s don’t play as well as team’s that grow and develop together. (kc, for example) the key is developing a core and adding necessary pieces when needed. for the record, the angels have one of the WORST farms in baseball. good luck seeing them in the playoffs anytime soon…
He has had issues with his mechanics especially before his DL stint… And Billy Bean got burnt… Toasted last year with Donaldson trade… And won’t be easy to fleece again
I think it is still a little early to say they got toasted in that trade. Barreto was the centerpiece and he is their #1 prospect. Give it another year or two and see how he fares in the show. I will agree that for a player of Donaldson’s caliber the return seemed a little light. Especially considering what the Blue Jays gave up for Tulo and the Reyes contract. Barreto is supposed to be a special talent at SS, so I won’t pass judgment until he makes it to the A’s lineup.
Actually, the scouting reports weren’t sure if Barreto be able to stick at shortstop. And ya, they got toasted, perennial MVP, plays hard, stays on the field, WAR leader, defensively sound, has even cleaned up his throwing since he came, Josh Donaldson is the best player the blue Jays have ever had, EVER, and that’s not homerism, that’s the truth. He just needs some post season magic moments and boom, franchise immortal.
Basically, would you trade Mike Trout for the package given for Josh? That is the question. Cause they’ve been pretty much the same player the last couple years, although Trout is much younger.
Stop it Josh Donaldson is not Trout that’s no knock against Donaldson but cmon man Trout is the best player in Baseball and it’s not really even close really.
Maybe hitting wise they’ve been similar, but Trout plays elite defense in the OF and is a base running threat. But to say Donaldson is basically the same player as Trout (and worth just as much) is crazy.
Do you find it funny that Josh Donaldson was once traded for rich harden and chad gaudin. With 4 other minor league players. Thrown in. Cubs would look so different with Donaldson at 3rd they may not have drafted Bryant.
I’m with you. I don’t see the allure of Sonny Gray. IMO he’s Lincecum 2.0. Small pitcher who lacks endurance/durability. In his 2 seasons when he was “Ace-like” he had an ERA of 2.91 but a FIP of 3.46. Now that isn’t a horrible FIP by any means, but generally a pitchers FIP and ERA are much more in line with each other like I discussed in an earlier reply. Julio Teheran is another pitcher who has the anomaly of a much lower ERA than his FIP. Shelby Miller was another pitcher who had this anomaly. It is why people questioned Miller’s value – because his peripheral stats indicate he wasn’t that great. This year his stats are correcting themselves. Last year Teheran had an “out of the blue” bad season as well just not to the extent Miller or Gray is having, but a bad year nonetheless. So at the very least when you see a pitcher with an ERA well below their FIP I think it is safe to say they are VERY unpredictable. But other than that I just don’t see tiny little Sonny Gray lasting as a SP. He’s built for relief work IMO. Who knows. Maybe it is just a random bad year for both Miller and Gray. But stats rarely lie and I just don’t think Gray is worth coughing up prospects over. That said, I hope a team like the Cardinals chase him. Nothing would make me happier than seeing the Cardinals cough up prospects and possibly hamper their future and take a gamble on Gray. FYI, Cubs fan here.
IMO there are just better, safer options out there than Gray. a 5’10” 190 lb soaking wet starting pitcher doesn’t scream durability to me. When the Cubs were tied to rumors over him this last winter I was bummed and crossing my fingers nothing would come of said rumors. Looks like I bet right on that one.
Just dont sell low on Vizcaino. If it isnt meant to be move on you could always revisit next year
So I guess there are a few Braves fans that think Vizcaino is worth the same as Chapman….not in my book
Interesting argument, since no one said that he’s worth the same as Chapman.
So I guess there are some people who take a comment about one thing and try to apply it to a completely different thing.
Yeah like certain Braves fans saying other teams fans consider all of their prospects future hall of famers, when the only ones mentioning that are Braves fans. Someone said it to me yesterday because I said Vogelbach should easily hit 30 hrs a season. Like that alone makes him hall worthy. That schtick is old and tired. Yes some fans value their prospects highly but apparently the opposing fans do as well. That is why they insist that so and so has to be included in the trade. Sorry about the rant. It wasn’t aimed at you at all. I am just a little butt hurt from that comment when I said no such thing.
Did you like how I took a comment about one thing and turned it into something else? Sorry I couldn’t resist.
What is mlbtraderumors site record for most comments ever made on the same player??? I’ve got to think the Teheran posts have taken that record to new highs. Trading away ML level controllable arms is the quickest way for a GM to find himself in a unemployment line.
You must have missed the Cole Hamels days. Every year its someone new.
Wow, that must have been painful. My first year on the site so I missed the Hamels proposals. Thanks for the heads up.
Right on the money!
Not even close.
Cliff Lee has to hold that title.
Brian Roberts and Jake Peavy have to be very near the top.
I can’t even begin to count the number of Troy Tulowitzki rumors split between (mostly) the Cardinals and the Mets. Ah, memories.
Tehran and viz for Jorge soler and swarber
We’ve had viz in our system twice, we dont want him again. Thanks for La Stella 2
Angels get Brad Zimmer Adam Plutko & Zach Crockett
Cleveland gets Kole Calhoun Yunel Escobar and Joe Smith
Who says no?
I’d think the Angels would say no
Angels say no because of Calhoun
Also no dice from the Angeles
Nope
Really? Zimmer is close to being big league ready and could hopefully take the place of the Red Baron very soon. I see it as getting a cheaper Calhoun with more yrs of control with the potential for more production (also potentially less)
How bout
Calhoun/Yunel/Smith for Zim/Clevenger/Crockett?
The Angels need to give up something for good farm
Take away Calhoun and I would do that deal
Nope not enough for ATL
Wow!!
That would be a no, Cubs could of had Tehran back in 2014 but Dempster turned down the trade, no way they give up Schwarbs for him
I’m pretty sure the Dempster-rejected deal was going to involve Randall Delgado.
HAHAHAHAHA. No way the Cubs make that deal. If they did Theo and Hoyer better start wearing bullet proof vests. If the Cubs make a deal involving Schwarber (they won’t…… they better not) it would have to be for someone much better and more reliable than Teheran. Seriously though, if Hoyer and Theo trade Schwarber they best be getting a bona fide major leaguer in return or at LEAST a top 5 prospect. Between the regular and post season last year Schwarber hit .255 with a .362 OBP and 21 HRs…… in only 78 games. For comparison’s sake, Kris Bryant in 160 games between the regular and post season hit .270 with a .362 OBP and 28 HRs. Yeah. Just about the same stats but Bryant played twice the amount of games. This is why whenever I hear out of town fans proposing a trade involving Schwarber I laugh at them. It is pretty much like offering up Kris Bryant and I think everyone knows that is about the dumbest thing the Cubs could do. So your “proposal” of Shwarber and Soler for Teheran and Vizcaino is essentially saying Kris Bryant and Soler for Teheran and Vizcaino. No. F***ing. Way.
Schwarber isn’t going anywhere cubs had vizcanio already they gave him back to the braves.
The Tehran deal will not happen the price tag is too high for any GM to pull the trigger on, the only real team who could make a bid is Boston. There is no way they would trade away there future just to stabilize there rotation.
How many times do people gotta be told? Teheran is NOT getting traded.
This is a site decided to rumors and speculation. We’re speculating.
Also.. the Braves said for years they wouldn’t trade Kimbrel either.
Y would atl not trade tehran. They need 2 figure it out their front office has been horrible the last few years. U guys got extremely lucky by riding La Russa hard in the Shelby Miller trade.
Absolutely idiotic to say our FO has been bad. They took a farm system from the very bottom of the rankings to the very top of the farm system rankings. Our FO has done an incredibly good job of turning our farm around
Could you repeat that once again?? I don’t think we all heard you the 1st time
Riding La Russa how?? What ML production has come from the trade? Solid Defensive Outfielder? Promising “Prospect”? That’s all Swanson is right now is a prospect. Don’t talk to me about Blair. ATL got the better of the deal, but don’t go patting the
On the back, YET.
Gotta agree atl took Arizona to the cleaners on that one… LaRussa part of that
Where’s your evidence they took them to the cleaners?? Reading articles? The #’s don’t say that
Really I think the numbers do because Blair and Inciarte alone have performed better than Miller and we haven’t even gotten into the other parts of the deal. Prospects have value also, in fact prospect value is at an all time high. So those guys in the minors may not have done anything in the majors yet but they weren’t building for this year.
It was a really bad deal by Arizona period sometimes teams overpay and Arizona overpaid.
Too controllable … Braves just have nothing at the moment right now that play off teams want… Teheran is a piece they need to open up that new stadium with
If Dipoto trades Walker or Paxton for “prospects”…..I don’t even know what to say.
A Walker-to-Cubs trade better include multiple top 5 prospects and even then I’d probably be upset. No reason for Walker to be traded and he seemed to really figure it out this year before the injury. I’m setting a high price tag for Walker but honestly there is no reason for the Mariners to trade him unless they’re committing robbery.
I agree that the mariners have no reason to trade Walker and a pretty good haul would need to go in return. However his injury history has to bring down his value a bit.
Honestly Voglbach and Ian happ probably could have got walker.
He won’t, unless he secretly roots for the Angels.
Some how atl is rebuilding with the 0ldest team in the major leagues lol. Wha a joke. Didnt they fire their manager 20 games in when going into the year they were looking like 1 of the worst teams in game
Yeah not sure how you fire sale and expect to compete… I just don’t buy into this style but feel bad for their fans…. Ugly
I’m pretty happy with it. Trust the process, and you’ll build a winner for years to come.
Case study: Cubs
Case reality: The Cubs haven’t won anything yet.
Case study: they have one of the best offenses after building their club around bats through the draft.
Their pitching was either bought or traded for, as the Braves can do for bats because they already have the pitchers.
And the Cubs got to the NLCS. Idc what you think, that was a successful season for the first good year after a rebuild. Moronic to think that was a bad year for them.
Paxton or Walker would be nice, expensive, but still nice. I wonder what the price would be for either of them. Obviously could start with Schwarber and Soler but I wonder how much more it would take
Can mlb trade rumors just make an article everyday devoted to these ridiculous trade proposals on teheran. So the fans on this site do not have to scroll through this crap.
You could always create your own site and make it how you want it to be
Just figured out new get rich quick scheme.
1, Register teherantraderumors.com web domain.
2. ????
3. PROFIT!!!
I’m also tired of hearing about these far fetched Teheran rumors. People trying to run him down because the Braves won’t deal him for a bunch of B prospects. It’s highly doubtful he gets dealt at all.
Redsox give Pablo Sandoval, Rusney Castillo, Allen Craig, and Hanley Ramirez to the Braves for a case of used baseballs and an autographed picture of Julio Teheran.
Hanley Ramirez makes that an overpay.
Khloe Kardashian is more likely to blow a man named Julio than the Cubs are to trade for one.
So pretty likely is what you’re saying?
You spelled Kim wrong
The Atlanta Braves have approximately about 8 to 12 good pitching prospects. I’ve been ridiculed for making crazy trade proposals for the Braves, but contrary to BravesFan1234, I’m no different than most any other Braves fan, and we just want to WIN and be competitive. The Braves are heading into a new stadium, and for a short while, that will be enough to sell tickets, but only for a short while. Baseball fans need to see something on the field. And yes Bravesfan1234, I don’t know all of the lower level prospects of the Braves. I’m from Alabama and as long as Nick Saban continues to bring home National Titles, baseball will always be 2nd in my heart. So I will admit, I’m not a self proclaimed GM like some of you on this site. I just want to see the Braves compete. It’s hard to turn on the television and watch the Braves lose 2 of 3 from the Marlins….We non GM Braves fans want to see a competitive team. It would do my heart right to wake up tomorrow morning and to see some of these 12 pitching prospects (not Newcomb) to be packaged for a shot at Sonny Gray, include Inciarte in the deal. Just do something to make the Braves competitive!! I’m not too hot about trading for Puig, but got get a Sonny Gray. Could you imagine having a rotation of Teheran, Gray, Wisler, Folty, and Newcomb?? That is a good start. Don’t obliterate the “rebuild” but use some of the pieces to trade for some players that could make a difference. I took some crap today from BravesFan1234 about trading for Todd Frazier. Rather than helping me understand why The Braves shouldn’t trade for Frazier, he uses the website as a way to Dog me for throwing out Todd Frazier as an option. I’m not a self proclaimed GM, evidently BravesFan1234 is. Most Braves Just want to see an effort from Coppy to try, try to make the TEAM better. BravesFan1234 wants to sit in the corner and play penny slots all night in Vegas, while the rest of us Braves fans want to play Craps and take a shot at winning in the new stadium for 2017. Yes call up Swanson and Albeis, give them a shot now (they can’t do any worse). Take 3 or 4 prospects and package them for some talent!! Damn this waiting for 2018-2019.
Sounds like you are possibly the same person posting the exact same trade purposals on Fansided. The writer there wanted the braves to be buyers dealing for Gray, Frazier seven Puig. None of the proposals seemed logical or likely there, nor do they sound any better here.
Look, I fully understand that it stinks to lose, but be patient. However unless you can compete for the playoffs there is no real reason to be just mediocre in the midst of blowing up your farm system.
The trade proposals came from a writer on I believe Tomahawk Take blog. He only read them & proposed them on here. I could understand the frustration of the rebuild but it truly is what’s best for the Braves.
I actually believe they are 4 deals away from being at least wild card contenders for next year. We need a C,3B,RP,veteran SP. Bring up Swanson and Albies in Sept to generate some excitement.
Anyone else find it a bit childishly amusing how he keeps calling out braves1234?
Like, why attempt to fight with your own fanbase on purpose?
I find it amusing that you really care. Get Kay a 1st grade reader, evidently he doesn’t know or understand how to read
Trolls gonna troll.
All this crap right here, makes me wish it was Aug. 2. From the most ridiculous Braves fans to the ones baiting it, to the ones barking most about it.
Maybe it is because I am a Braves fan and of course check the articles closer when it is one of guys. But like others have said, Hamels, Shields, Peavy, and Lee have all had their trade seasons. I think the guys that write the articles on here do a heck of a job, the rest has just gotten childish.
And I am by no means saying everyone here. There are a lot of commenters I love hearing from and respect and agree to their opinions. Appreciate the chats and the true baseball fans that frequent the site as I do.
For what it’s worth, I understand the frustration that you may have with certain commentators, but at least in my opinion it’s better than the alternative where people get perma banned. Gray-area rules are never fun.
Kayrall, my comment was by no means directed towards you. I cannot think of an instance where your comments were offensive or rude.
Oh I know, and I didn’t take any offense. I was just saying that the alternative comes with its own issues.
10-4
I’m convinced that poster is either a young kid or someone trolling trying to deliberately make Braves fans look bad. I won’t read rambling walls of text. It’s a sure sign that it will be full of nonsense.
Frazier is just not that good anymore. Completely sold out for power and that’s all he does now
Of everything you had to say, I do understand the frustration of watching bad Braves baseball. This has been my team since I started going to the stadium in the mid 70s and those were some BAAAAADDDDD teams to watch. I too would like to see a trade or two that improves the team moving forward, and yes we do have prospect depth. However most of this team and those same prospects will be around this off season when more teams can get involved in the bidding. Until then, best I can tell you is to embrace the suck and hang in there.
That explains a lot… He is a Bama fan.
I will help you understand why trading any assets from the minors this year is useless. Let me start by saying I am a Cubs fan and I more than understand your frustrations of going through a rebuild. So the Braves front office traded away any major league asset last season that they felt wouldn’t be around for a rebuild. That allowed them to stock up on young controllable minor league talent that will hopefully develop into quality major league talent. Going into this season I don’t think the Braves were looking to be competitive they were however looking to see improvement from certain players as well as seeing good fundamental baseball that could prove to them Freddie Gonzales was the right guy for their future. So the current plan is to stock up on as much minor league talent that can build and grow together so that they can have a loaded major league roster all reach the majors around the same time and have control of them for years. Also that would still leave plenty of controllable minor league prospects to deal from during a playoff push and keep payroll small enough to sign free agents. So as for this season it would be a waste to try and make the team better when they would prefer to be bad and draft higher in each round of the first year player draft. This process also gives them a large bonus pool for international free agents which allows them to further improve their minor league system. All these avenues will hopefully lead to a young team that can contend for years as well as enough assets to be large players on the trade market in the future. So yes for at least this year and probably one more, but then the Braves will have a loaded roster. The Cubs and Astros have both recently done this and currently those teams are showing the fruits of their labors.
I’m not watching the Tigers until they get a new Manager!
I miss cjh.
I am right there with you. Can we petition to have him and bigpapi4ever reinstated?
Yeah but if we petition against the owners we will get banned.
Let’s get real ATL. Teheran = puig or Sanchez. Maybe a big market team takes markakis’ contract or throws in a lotto ticket. If u want MLB talent- not 2 prospects that is what you get.
Rebuild plan
1. Trade all valuable players for highest #/quality available prospects (pitchers)
2. Trade/tank for draft picks
3. Draft highest quality players available (pitchers)
4. Trade pitching for offense
5. Repeat.
Step 4 get it done. Teheran/markakis for Sanchez preferably.
Just wondering what would schwarber cost?
Look, here is the deal. I’m a Braves fan. And all I’m saying is that it sucks right now and it’s frustrating. Yeah, I throw out trade scenarios, some mine but a lot from what I read from other articles to get opinions. What BravesFan123 said earlier was not right and disrespectful. I’m not a GM, I just know how to read. And when I throw out a trade all I’m looking for is a little intelligent feedback. Not to be criticized for making a trade that another writer made in another article. To BravesFan123, my apologies for calling you out. All I want is to see the Braves take a couple of these prospects and maybe a vet and spin in for something we can get excited about for 2017. That is it in a nutshell. I would love to generate some excitement for Atlanta. That is all.
What did bravesfan123 say
Braves4life1 while a competitive team can be acquired by trading prospects we have obtained since the rebuild, we would never have enough pieces to be able to win a World Series doing it, so what’s the point. We would just return to fighting for a wild card spot which I rather suffer for the next 3 to 4 years and then win a World Series and be a favorite to win it again the next year
How bout Vizzy for Andrew Susac from the Giants ?
Or what would it take to get Norris from the Padres ? We need a catcher to work with Flowers. I think all free agents would require an overpay. I would like Sanchez but that ain’t gonna happen with the Yanks showing no interest in Teheran. I would think Reese McGuire would be obtainable. I really hope we get a young catcher at the deadline for Flowers to mentor.
The Padres are going to want Touki for Norris. Would brave fans be okay with that deal?
Im ok with that trade. Unless we are fielding a starting 9 of pitchers, we do have the prospects to trade and I think Touki sounds good for Norris.
I agree. We won’t have a 9 man rotation like you said, at some point those prospects need to be used. And a one for one, even better.
I’d rather not deal Touki. If he ever develops command he has potential ace upside and he’s just now starting to come around. He has the sickest curve ball on our farm which is probably the single best pitch that any of our prospects have and he routinely sits mid 90’s with his fastball. Plus he’s a terrific athlete which makes me think he’s going to figure it all out eventually. I’m very high on Touki. I’d rather deal a couple of other prospects or just sign a free agent catcher.
I agree with your assessment of Touki bravesfan1234, but the financial difference in Norris and and FA Cs is a huge gap. Would rather pay $5MM in arbitration for a 15HR, 60 RBI C that $14M a year for Wieters, Ramos, or the others available.
Last night Touki struck out 11 of the 12 outs he recorded. He also gave up 4 runs, but that just shows how filthy his stuff can be. He just needs consistency. After a rough start he’s been pitching a lot better lately. We have enough depth to trade for Norris without giving up a guy like Touki. We are loaded with pitchers.
With the hiccup Sims has had this year when he jumped to AAA, I would try to see if Oak would bite on that for Norris? No deal-no harm in trying.
Nope
Arrieta, Hammel, and Lackey will all be free agents after next season assuming they pick up Hammel’s option for next year. I don’t think it is too crazy if Hoyer and Theo start shopping for some starting pitchers already. Would actually be nice to see them trade for some top pitching prospect then come next year’s trade deadline shop and sell Jake Arrieta. Could only imagine what teams would shell out for him.
Arrieta is staying with the cubs. He’ll get 6 years 200mil with a 7th year option. And honestly anything more than 4 years for a pitcher has never worked out. It should be a Jason Hayward deal with 2 opt outs after year 3 and year 4.