Yahoo’s Jeff Passan has another edition of his 10 Degrees column posted, which focuses heavily on a number of potentially available names. A few highlights from within, though the entire column is worth a look…
- When determining what they should ask in return for Wade Davis, should they make him available, the Royals internally discussed Nationals righty Lucas Giolito, per Passan. That would be a fairly staggering price to pay, as Giolito is, by many accounts, the top pitching prospect in all of baseball. Davis is earning $8MM this season (about $3.06MM of that remains) and has a $10MM option for the 2017 season on his contract as well, so there’s certainly value, but that price would almost certainly strike the Nats as exorbitant. However, as Passan notes, the Yankees plucked Gleyber Torres and three other pieces from the Cubs for a rental of Aroldis Chapman, so the Royals’ lofty asking price is understandable.
- The D-backs are prepared to offer struggling right-hander Shelby Miller to other clubs in trades and are largely open for business overall, though a complete tear-down won’t happen. The D-backs are holding onto Paul Goldschmidt, Jake Lamb, A.J. Pollock, Zack Greinke, Patrick Corbin and Robbie Ray — a nice core, as Passan notes — but are willing to listen virtually anywhere else. Miller’s acquisition has been one of the most talked-about stories in the game since he was acquired for Dansby Swanson, Ender Inciarte and Aaron Blair this offseason, and his 7.14 ERA through 69 1/3 innings and subsequent demotion to Triple-A Reno have only intensified the scrutiny.
- Chris Sale’s trade value hasn’t been hurt by his suspension for inappropriate conduct in this weekend’s bizarre jersey-cutting controversy. Any club wishing to acquire him would need to part with an MLB-ready, elite prospect, writes Passan, who lists Andrew Benintendi or Yoan Moncada of the Red Sox, Nomar Mazara of the Rangers, Alex Bregman of the Astros and Julio Urias of the Dodgers as hypothetical starting points — the White Sox would require another three to four valuable pieces beyond those names — if any of those teams want to make a legitimate run at Sale. I think the White Sox would be well within reason to start by asking for both Benintendi and Moncada from the Red Sox or Nomar Mazara and Joey Gallo from the Rangers before moving onto the secondary pieces in each deal. Sale is owed $3.5MM through the end of the current season and can be controlled through 2019, his age-30 season, for a total of $41.5MM. The surplus value there is astonishing, and the dearth of pitching talent on the trade market/upcoming free agent market only adds to Sale’s allure.
- The White Sox are valuing lefty Jose Quintana quite similarly, Passan adds, noting that one executive tells him Chicago is valuing Quintana like a true No. 1 starter. That’s not quite an accurate representation of Quintana’s abilities, but he’s pitched closely enough to that level that it makes sense to ask. Quintana has a 3.32 ERA with 7.8 K/9, 2.2 BB/9 and a 43.9 percent ground-ball rate in 737 innings dating back to 2013. Like Sale, he’s a flat-out bargain for the South Siders, as he’s owed just $39.92MM through the 2020 season.
- Wade Miley has been quietly shopped by the Mariners in recent weeks, per Passan. While Seattle isn’t necessarily selling despite their trade of Mike Montgomery and their shopping of Miley, it appears that they’re open to dealing from the big league roster in the right scenario. The Montgomery trade brought an MLB-ready talent back to the Mariners in Dan Vogelbach, and Seattle probably has the pitching depth to move Miley without subtracting much in the way of big league value from the current iteration of the club. Miley has just a 5.23 ERA in 105 innings for Seattle this season, though his strikeout, walk and ground-ball rates are all respectable (6.3 K/9, 2.8 BB/9, 45.9 percent). He’s guaranteed about $11.55MM through the end of the 2017 season, though $500K of that is in the form of a buyout on a $12MM club option for the 2018 season, so he could be controlled longer if he rebounds.
- The “safe money” is on Melvin Upton Jr. going to the Orioles to play as a corner outfielder/insurance policy for Adam Jones in center field, Passan writes. The O’s and Padres have reportedly discussed a swap of Upton and Ubaldo Jimenez, though the Orioles would need to send some prospect value back to San Diego in that trade. The contracts of Upton ($22.36MM through 2017) and Jimenez ($18.47MM) are similar, and Upton, unlike Jimenez, is providing present-day value. It’s still tough for me to envision the Padres getting much in the way of a prospect back — especially if they do indeed absorb Jimenez’s contract — and the Orioles don’t exactly have a deep farm from which to deal.
Ry.the.Stunner
Sweet. The Cubs plucked their prospects back from the Yankees? What a steal!
tigermr1
What?
padam
Yeah, I caught that too, but they deleted my comment and corrected the error. You’d think they’d at least say thanks for pointing it out.
charliechaplinshow
Yeah I went to point out to and saw my comment was deleted as well haha, oh well
24TheKid
Same
24TheKid
I’ve tried posting 2 comments on this article but both have been deleted, I havnt said anything close to being offensive either.
pustule bosey
so…. the dbacks are open for business shopping who of value? it doesn’t seem like there are many other interesting pieces with zeigler gone already – maybe some one wants to take a risk on tomas or thinks they can turn around collmenter or clippard… or am I missing something
sidewinder11
Drury could be a good piece to move since he’s blocked by Lamb and Segura at his natural positions and still has a ton of upside. Hudson had a lot of value before he hit a wall in the last few weeks. I could also see them moving Castillo or Herrmann to a team needing catching help that doesn’t want to pay the price for Lucroy. They have pieces, just not anyone that’s gonna grab the big headlines.
A'sfaninUK
You’re so right on there, there’s no reason at all for the White Sox to move Sale unless Moncada and Benintendi plus 2-3 more coming back. They could easily contend while he’s still under contract, and his salary is minuscule in relation to his talent/output.
bruinsfan94 2
You one of the most annoying posters on the site. Just can’t stand reading your dribble.
Steven P.
Boston would have to offer up a huge return to get Sale. A package could look something like:
Boston receives: Sale and Robertson
White Sox receive: Moncada, Devers, Benintendi, Kopech, Groome
Unlikely Boston would be willing to surrender the talent it would take, but that trade would improve both clubs significantly
Mike M 2
If the Red Sox move Moncada and Benintendi in the same deal, I’ll eat my laptop
diceman101
Chicago should trade Chris Sale to the Pirates straight up for Andrew McCutchen. Both have similar contracts, and the Pirates need pitching and McCutchen is expendable with the outfield depth they have. McCutchen is having a down year, so Pirates may have to throw a prospect in to get a deal done. I like the framework of a deal though.
Steven P.
The way Mccutchen is playing right now absolutely not. The Sox want a huge haul of young top tier prospects in return for Sale
I actually don’t see Sale being traded any earlier than this offseason though
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
If they trade Sale then it’s time for a full rebuild. McCutchen doesn’t fit that bill
SaladFingers69
Huntington would cream his trousers if he were offered Sale for Cutch straight-up. And their contracts aren’t very similar at all.
thediesel4
Is Moncada and Benintendi considered MLB ready prospects? I thought both were still a couple years away?
southpaw777
Benintendi could get a COC this year and more likely a sept call up. Moncada needs more work on D, plus they are going to give him reps at 3b and maybe in LF. Theyve already started giving Benni reps in LF in Portland. We might see a COC or sept call up for Moncada next year and maybe fulltime come 2018.
I highly doubt they give up BOTH in any deal. CWS are asking for Betts Benintendi and four other prospects for Sale so I would bet that DD doesnt go there. Instead he may try for the #2 type with Quintana. To me, I would think if they get another LHP that either Pom or ERod are out. No way they have four LHP in the rotation.
thediesel4
Yeah I don’t see them getting another LHP. Doesn’t make any sense.
I also figured they were still a little bit away.
I would like to see my Braves go after Quintana. We have some players to do it and need a player to pair with Julio. He is also young and controllable. So it would be good for us.
Steven P.
Any deal for Sale or Quintana starts with:
Swanson plus Newcomb and Allard as the centerpieces of any deal
RunDMC
As much as I like Quintana, I feel like he’s Teheran 2.0. Quintana very well could become an ace and has posted some great numbers, but he’s not Chris Sale by any stretch – and to pay anything close would be doing to others what ATL’s is trying to do (by selling Teheran for a massive haul, and there be questions about his expected production).
Metsfan93
Last two calendar years:
Quintana: 405.2 IP, 3.28 ERA, 3.21 FIP, 4.9 fWAR per year, 4.85 RA9-WAR per year, 7.83 K/9, 2.00 BB/9, 9th in fWAR, 14th in RA9-WAR
Teheran: 408.0 IP, 3.49 ERA, 4.05 FIP, 2.1 fWAR per year, 3.05 RA9-WAR per year, 7.61 K/9, 2.67 BB/9, 44th in fWAR, 32nd in RA9-WAR
Quintana suppressed homers on flies better, strikes out more, walks noticeably fewer, and despite his usually poor defense behind him (until this year, at least), he prevents runs way better, over in the AL. Teheran has a great contract, too, but Quintana’s very arguably a top-15 pitcher in the sport while Teheran more falls in the 30-50 range among pitchers.
RunDMC
I appreciate the stats that I didn’t have time to compile. However, please also note the asking price is far different. Reportedly, Hahn is looking for something around the Sale-price (5 top prospects) while Coppy is looking for something around the Shelby Miller-trade (#1 overall draft pick, previous 1st rd pitching prospect, ML-proven glove-first CF).
brandons-3
What are the stats from 2013 until now? Teherán had a bad first half last year, so that hurts his overall numbers if you just date back to one of the pitcher’s worst stretch.
BoldyMinnesota
Giolitto for Davis is way to much, even in this sellers market
worldchampskc
I wonder what would be a decent haul for Wade Davis.
KCFaninPA
I would consider a much bigger trade.
Davis, Volquez, Cain for Giolitto, Turner and Lopez
If the Nationals want to position themselves to win the World Series, then they need to upgrade closer, SP and CF.
Davis and Cain thru 2017 and Volquez is just a rental. They all are proven champions that can perform under pressure. Time for the Royals to sell.
1tav
The Yankees got the haul from the Cubs, not the other way around.
charliechaplinshow
Should it not be the Yankees plucked Torres and three other prospects from the Cubs for Chapman?
padam
I think you meant to say the Yankees plucked Torres…etc.
tyler41689 2
Braves should try and make a deal for Miley.
Mark 20
I wonder if the blue jays could make a run at Sale?
Im thinking talks would start with Travis and Alford going to CHW, and we would probably have to add in Pompey and Reid-Foley as well to be honest.
Id probably do it if I was Ross Atkins.
Steven P.
Toronto does not have the prospects to make a Sale or Quintana deal happen currently in my opinion
BoldyMinnesota
I think we have the prospects, it’s just we’d have to give up almost all of them. Connor Greene, Sean Reid-Foley and Anthony Alford are all top 100 prospects. Then we have Jon Harris and vladdy Jr, who’ll both likely be atop 100’s next year. We’d probably also have to add in Pompey and Pentecost. I wouldn’t want to mortgage a package like that for sale, I’d rather they focus on a good number 2-3 pitcher.
Steven P.
Alford is batting .206 in the minors right now, Greene is not even a top 100 prospect…Reid Foley projects as mid rotation at best
If I’m the White Sox I would be looking for true top top prospects, not lottery tickets
Mike M 2
that is not nearly enough for Sale
KB R.
As a Cubs fan who appreciates the White Sox…. but not their fans….. how are Quintana’s stats not up to par with “true #1 starter’s” stuff? Career 3.39 ERA, 3.45 FIP, 1.24 WHIP, and well on his way to his 4th consecutive 200+ IP season.
Is Max Scherzer a “true #1” then? 3.41 ERA, 3.31 FIP, 1.15 WHIP, on his way to his 4th overall and 4th consecutive 200+ IP season. Is it because he strikes out 2 more guys per 9 innings? Because you know it doesn’t matter if you get guys out reliably, but HOW you get guys out. I mean we clearly just saw that in the huge overpay by the Cubs to get Chapman despite there being so many just as good relievers out there statistically that would’ve shored up the bullpen just as well as Chapman but could’ve been had for less. But unlike those other just as good relievers…… they don’t get guys out like Chapman gets guys out…… and I doubt they throw as hard too. So they might have the same or better ERAs and WHIPs, but Chapman gets guys out with authority…… whereas everyone else just gets guys out………….. HUGE difference *eye roll….. smh*
I wonder if Chapman would’ve been worth as much in a trade if he pitched in the mid 90s, but still had the same stats and same strike out rate and everything. Or, if he still had the same stats and velocity but instead of striking out 15.5 or so batters per 9 IP he struck out…. say, 10-11 per inning would he be worth as much? If you say he’d be worth less that means you just value the show that is Chapman than anything else. You place value in how he gets guys out not just the fact he gets guys out. Hector Rondon has just as good stats as Chapman the last 3 years (including this year) but just slightly worse success rate at converting saves than Chapman. The save rates they’ve put up means that in 47 save opportunities Chapman would save 44 of them. Rondon 41 of 47. Other than that minor discrepancy they have similar ERAs and WHIPS since 2014. But Chapman strikes out 5 more guys per 9 IP than Rondon……. so he’s better because he gets guys out in a flashier way.
Metsfan93
Gotta say, I think the characterization of Quintana as not a #1 is wrong. He’s 6th in fWAR since 2013 began, ahead of such pitchers as Madison Bumgarner, Zack Greinke, Jon Lester, Jake Arrieta, Adam Wainwright, Felix Hernandez, Stephen Strasburg and Cole Hamels. Via RA9-WAR, he’s 13th, still firmly in the #1 conversation.
If you limit it since 2014 began, he’s #7 and #14, in fWAR and RA9-WAR, respectively.
Last two calendar years, #9 and #14.
Since 2015 began, #10 and #8.
Last calendar year, #9 and #7 with +5.0 and +6.2, respectively, in fWAR and RA9-WAR.
This season, he’s 9th in fWAR at 3.2, and 5th in RA9-WAR, at +4.1.
I think he’s every bit an ace.
mikecws91
The only way he’s not an ace is perception. Lots of no-decisions, bad luck, playing for bad defensive teams, getting no run support… everything bad you can say about him is completely out of his control.
User 4245925809
After this deal for half year rental of a closer? How about the half year rental of Ziegler deal that Dombrowski pulled off and not to mention? 3y of Kimbrell over the winter. Not to mention 5y of Carson Smith for Wade Miley. Of course.. Nobody knew he would go down with TJ then..
Point is? Theo go bush wacked by Cashman here.. BIG TIME.
stl_cards16 2
And the Cubs still have the best depth in all of baseball. They can afford to overpay to get what they want. Not one player they gave up was anything close to contributing to the Chicago Cubs. Torres is the only one who could hurt in the future, but with Russell and Baez both under control for 4+ seasons, he was worth more in a trade.
chitownsox11
Maybe the the Chapman trade will help some of the Red Sox fans realize that no Sale/Quintana trade is going to happen without a package of: Moncada, Benintendi, and Betts. Plus probably a couple other B level prospects.
I understand thats a lot, but the Red Sox are the team motivated to do the move with their weak starting pitching. White Sox do not have to trade Sale now.
They could hold on to Sale for another couple seasons and trade Sale at the Deadline in 2019 (Before he becomes a free agent) and get a better package than some of the ones I have seen thrown around for him.
3 months of Sale would be worth just as much/more than Chapman.
southpaw777
Seriously, the CWS can keep him for that kind of price. Thats not just an overpay, but a ridiculously obnoxious overpay.
The cubs are different and they obviously overpaid because after no WSC for over 100 years, a stacked farm, and guys already at the positions of the kids they traded, this made sense for the cubs to secure one of the best closers in the game. Even if for only this year. I dont think that sets the market.
chitownsox11
The market is whatever any one team is willing to pay? Think the Red Sox are the only team offering up packages for Sale? How many all star games have Moncada, Benintendi played in? How often do top 10 prospects bust out?
I seem to recall Profar as the number one rated prospect a few years back. How has that worked out?
How has Buxton worked out for the twins?
bruinsfan94 2
Betts is worth more then Sale right now by himself. Enjoy more years of wining 70 games.
Grey Suit
Exactly Betts was the killer in that trade. I could see a package of Moncada and Benintendi (which is an over pay) but Betts is a young controllable all-star. I would not trade Betts for Sale straight up let alone for 2 top 10 prospects.
chitownsox11
How is Moncada and Benintendi a huge overpay? What have they proved?
Did you see what the Braves got for Shelby Miller, what the Yankees got for Chapman, what you just gave up for Pomeranz (who is an average starter, with little track record)?
You pay Heavily for young elite pitching.
Priggs89
Short answer – It’s not.
Now I’m kind of hoping Sale goes to the Red Sox just so I can read the comments from fans about how Moncada and Benintendi are overrated and “just prospects” that haven’t proven anything. Always love that.
stl_cards16 2
It’s not Moncada and Benintendi, even though they are great prospects. It’s that the proposal had Betts included in it, who is more valuable than Sale by himself
Steven P.
Betts is valuable, but not more valuable than a young cost controlled ELITE starting pitcher.
Great starting pitching wins championships and Sale is a guy that could headline any staff in baseball through a long playoff run
chitownsox11
Saying you wouldn’t give up Betts for Sale straight up is laughable. The Royals are asking for Giolito for 1.5 years of Wade Davis.
rmullig2
If the Nats are going to offer up Lucas Giolito then they should get Miller back for him instead of Davis.
chitownsox11
I am not saying the Nats should offer him for Davis, i am just saying that seems to be the Royals asking price.
Lance
If I’m John Daniels, any team that calls and says the name NOMAR….I’m hanging up.
nrd1138
Sale is going nowhere.. As a few analysts have said, what can you possible get in return that is better than Sale at this point? He is an AS. He is consistantly a Cy Young candidate, and their Ace as well as a face of the franchise. Even younger prospects are just that. Prospects.I see Sale going nowhere. As for the incident I think that is more an indictment on Kenny Williams and Robin Ventura than anything with Sale. Could Quintana be moved? Possibly, but I see at least 6-7 guys going before Q or Sale: Abreu, Frazier, Cabrera, Lawrie, Navarro, Duke and Robertson. Then maybe Sale or Quintana get moved. Their contracts combined with their performance are just too good. Trade the other guys for prospects and also get an exec and a director of player development that know what they are doing (as KW and Buddy bell do not) and they should be good to run in about 2-3 years. The real problem is that The Sox have wasted 4 years of Sale’s and Quintana’s career with Robin being brought in and then left at the helm.