The Yankees are “going full bore in shaping possible deals” with other clubs regarding Aroldis Chapman, reports ESPN’s Buster Olney (via Twitter). According to executives to whom Olney has spoken, the Nationals, Rangers and Indians are a few of the involved parties at this time.
Reports out of New York and recent quotes from president Randy Levine to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports have indicated that the Yankees have yet to determine whether they’ll sell off veteran pieces at the deadline, but there’s long been speculation that Chapman, a free agent at season’s end, could be moved even if the team hangs onto more controllable pieces like Andrew Miller and Dellin Betances.
All three clubs listed by Olney have been linked relief help over the past couple of weeks, with left-handed relief help in particular said on many occasions recently to be Cleveland’s top priority of late. The Rangers are known to be seeking rotation help, but they also currently sport the second-worst bullpen ERA of any club in baseball, at 5.08. The Nationals, meanwhile, have been said to be in pursuit of a top-tier bullpen arm dating back to last summer’s trade deadline and have been linked to Chapman on more than one occasion in the past. Earlier today, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reported that Chapman was the Nationals’ “most likely” target on the trade market.
Yahoo’s Jeff Passan wrote earlier this week that the Yankees “are going to trade” Chapman prior to the Aug. 1 non-waiver trade deadline, though a full roster tear-down is unlikely. There’s been some word that the Yankees are internally discussing the possibility of trying to extend Chapman, though the reports from Passan and now Olney would certainly seem to indicate that a long-term pact isn’t an overly likely possibility.
The 28-year-old Chapman, who is owed about $4.64MM of his $11.325MM salary through season’s end, has pitched to a 2.22 ERA with 12.7 K/9 and a much improved 2.5 BB/9 rate since returning from a 30-game suspension under Major League Baseball’s domestic violence policy earlier this season.
The Cubs have the prospects to go get Chapman today.
Vogelbach, Torres and McKinney for Chapman and Evoldi
They cubs would have to toss in a low level arm or two but actually a pretty fair deal
If Schwarber isn’t part of that deal you can pretty much forget it
The Cubs believe Schwarber is the best hitter on the team — better than Bryant AND Rizzo. That said, why would anyone in their right mind trade a young, generational hitter making peanuts for a closer? Even the Cubs aren’t that stupid. I would actually demand more than Chapman for a trade like that.
Because your team hasn’t won a World Series since Ty Cobb was a rookie dumb ass. We haven’t one in just 6 years and were buggin.
Maybe we should wait until Schwarber has more than 278 PA before crowning him as a generational hitter.
That should get it done. But why Eovaldi?? Why not just go get Chapman and be done with it? The Cubs can win with the starters it has??
Come on nats trade for chapman we need a closer paplebon isn’t going to get the job done
I agree. Cubs have no interest in Eovaldi.
McKinney for chapman. He’s a rental. Maybe a low level prospect added as a sweetener
Vogelbach, Torres, and McKinney for Chapman and Eovaldi????? What the f*** are you smoking. People seriously have 0 clue on what relievers are worth. Has anyone ever kept up with a MLB trade deadline before? Relievers DO NOT garner as much in return as SP. In 2014 Samardzija and Hammel, two SPs who had ERAs around 2.90 at the time, got the Cubs a top 15 overall prospect in Addison Russell, an unranked at the time prospect in McKinney, a quad A pitcher in Dan Strailey, and a PTBNL……….. that’s it. ONE top tier prospect, a solid prospect, a journey man/quad A type starting pitcher, and a PTBNL. for two starting……. STARTING pitchers who were dominating at the time of the deal………. and people thought (and rightfully so) that the Cubs made out like bandits in the deal.. Chapman will be LUCKY to pitch 20 innings for the Cubs in August and September and you think that is worth coughing up more than a middling prospect? This is why teams generally build their bullpens in the offseason via free agency and don’t generally trade for them at the deadline……. because they aren’t worth coughing up prospects over. All one has to look at is what the Yankees gave up to get Chapman in the first place AND the deal the Red Sox made to get Kimbrel to compare what these top relievers are worth. FYI…… not f***ing much. What you propose for 2 months of Chapman and a crap SP in Eovaldi is pretty much what the Red Sox gave up to get Kimbrel and his THREE YEARS of control. Chapman is worth, maybe, Jeimer Candelario…….. that’s it. IMO Chapman is worth Christian Villanueva, and that’s it. To rationalize giving up much more for a pitcher who might not even throw 20 innings for you is impossible for me. In 64 games with the Yankees, Chapman has thrown 28.1 IP. So, yeah, he is not worth what people think he is in what will likely only be 20 IP or so in August and September.
Dude…how about doing a little homework…you’re vastly underestimating how good Addison Russell was…he was the A’s best prospect and one of the top in baseball….”Russell, the club’s top Draft pick two years ago, was long considered the A’s shortstop of the future, with a plan in place for him to be there as soon as next season following Jed Lowrie’s expected departure via free agency. But the A’s willingness to part ways with their top-ranked prospect and the No. 11-ranked prospect in baseball by MLB.com, despite his superstar potential, to land a pair of short-term rotation fixes only demonstrates Beane’s burning desire to win now.”
m.mlb.com/news/article/83129562/as-add-jeff-samard…
As for relievers not getting big returns, again, a little research…please see the Kimbrel and Giles trades….and if you’re thinking those players had more controllable years..you’re right…but never underestimate the power of a GM wanting to win a World Series….
The Yankees will get a ton for Chapman and probably re-sign him next year…
Now admittedly, some of the proposals on this thread for Chapman are a little rich…but here’s how I see this playing out…the Yankees trade Chapman to a Cubs rival..let’s say Pitt…now that does two things…it increases the value of Betances and Miller and puts more pressure on the Cubs to counter…Miller is going to cost the Cubs, or any team, a ton, but he’s worth it….and if the Cubs don’t pay up, the Yanks can keep him or sell him to one of the other 8-10 teams that want him…
Kimbrel has been the best closer in baseball and got 2 top 100 prospects and that came with 3 full years of control. Giles is a young fireballer that came with 2 years of pre arbitration years of control and 3 years of arbitration that’s why he got the haul he did. So if you want to compare Chapman to those guys then let’s do it. If Chapman had the same amount of years of control as Kimbrel than he is worth slightly less because of the Domestic Abuse baggage he carries( I know he served his suspension but trading for a guy like that can upset your fan base), but he doesn’t have the same amount of control. He only has half a season of control so if you are comparing him to Kimbrel then 3 full seasons of Kimrel was 2 top 100 prospects then a half season of chapman should be 1 well thought of prospect just outside the top 100. This screams for Dan Vogelbach a player that could step in today and be the Yankees DH or first baseman. The Cubs have already stated that Schwarber is off the table for Miller, however 2 top 100 prospects would be closer to his value because even though he isn’t currently a closer he can be valued that way and his value is currently right about the same as Kimbrel because he has 2 full seasons of control after this season.
Yankees can do what they want. Trading with Pitt is not going to pressure the Cubs to overpay in a trade. You are overthinking in my opinion. Pitt is the one chasing the Cubs. Them getting Chapman will not put any fear into the Cubs
Or the Cubs don’t win this season , keep their players and throw more money than anyone else in free agency. They come back and win division for next decade and are in position to make World Series every year. Theo is building a team for this year and years to come . Not 1984 mentality get sutcliffe and give away joe Carter and Mel hall.
No one’s giving up top prospects for a Chapman rental. The Cubs have the leverage in this situation, thanks to the amount of talent they have. If the Yankees won’t accept reasonable compensation for their relievers, they’ll be stuck with an aging roster and an overpriced, underutilized bullpen.
Well, to be fair those prospects traded to San Diego were the 52nd and 56th prospects, so they are closer to two top 50 than top 100. If you want to look at a FA to be RP, Miller was traded for Eduardo Rodriguez a couple of years ago. Rodriguez was rated as the #65 prospect the season before and the #59 prospect the season after. Miller was in the midst of s great season but that was the first elite season of his career at that point, while Chapman has been a top 3 RP for half a decade. I expect a Chapman deal to be a top 50-75 prospect plus another decent prospect.
A Miller deal will be more like two top 50 types, plus another good prospect and another ok prospect.
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Drugs much?!? Dude, the Yankees have the 3… Yes the THREE best closers in baseball on their roster. Not even up for debate. Trading one of them gives any playoff team a lockdown closer at games end. If they trade any of them, the bidding war and pieces is going to be trough the roof. These are the Yankees, not idiots, they won’t be had.
Based on this season alone, I’d take Britton or Brach over any of them.
Yankees are dreaming if they think they bidding for Chapman will go “through the roof”
The Yankees have 3 excellent closer-caliber BP arms. They really should hang on to Betanances & Miller, but Chapman is a rental and they have little shot of making the playoffs this year. In regard to the first two guys, they hold all of the cards because of multiple years of control and good contracts. However, with Chapman…they need to unload him. They’ll get a couple of good prospects, and it will be better than what they gave up (kudos to them), but dreams of Schwarber (aka Russell v2.0) are a pipe dream. I hope Chapman goes anywhere but the the Cubs or Nats.
There is no need to unload a player that gets you a 1st round draft choice next year.
Making the Cubs a better team is also a bad idea.
Too much.
Cubs are not the only team with a farm to get chapman. plenty of teams could
True. But the Cubs have the best farm and deepest farm to be able to make a deal for just about anyone
The Cubs certainly need back end bullpen help but as a rival fan it would certainly be scarier to see them use their surplus of prospects to go get Teheran, Archer or even Jose Fernandez even if a ridiculous overpay is necessary.
The elephant in the room for the Cubs future seasons is starting pitching depth. It’s masked by putting up great numbers this year but can’t expect a whole starting 1-5 to stay healthy all season let alone go out and do it again next year, no guarantee Arrieta stays, Lackey’s been solid past few years but getting to the point in age where he has to fall off sometime, and all the top prospects coming up are hitters. Making a trade for young, controlled starters then buying a bullpen in the offseason is worst case scenario for this Pirates fan.
How many threads do you have to put the same terrible trade proposals on
Technically everyone HS the prospects to go get chapman today. Smh
Cubbies should be all in at this time. They may never get to this point again. There is no guarantee next year.
I will be shocked if Chapman is not a Cub by the deadline.
Okay cub fans if your out there let me no what you think about this trade proposal
Tanaka, Miller for Schwarber, Happ, and 2 other top 15-20 prospects
I’m having trouble determining if you’re being serious.
Me too… I have been pondering for far too long. I’m shrugging and moving on.
Well guys, just don’t see Miller being moved with Chapman being a free agent next year . No common sence moving Miller… And that’s to begin with
You can always find solid relief help much easier than other positions in the majors. A lot of solid relievers come out of nowhere or were failed starters(Rivera,Miller,chapman, Bettance)
If the Yankees can get a package like or better than Houston gave up for Giles or Sox gave up for Kimbrel
They should make the move. While getting the best trade deal for Chapman who they can sign back in the off season.
The Yankees farm system is beyond brutal. They have nobody who can help them immediately and there are questions about Judge and his inability to hit inside fastballs and Sanchez and his inconsistency and mediocre defense. The present ball club is tough to watch / offense with no punch and a starting pitching staff that ranks bottom 5-10 in the league. If the yanks can garner 7 prospects that can land in their top 30 for two relief pitchers they’d be crazy to pass
And I’m being realistic / no way they are landing Gallo, profar, Baez, schwarber, Giolito, turner etc…
But they could grab a handful of very good prospects for a rebuild which is well overdue
Pineda,Chapman,Gardner or Ellsbury for Alomra,Dan V.,Edwards,Torres,Happ,Billy M.?
I don’t think the Cubs would bite on Brett or ellsbury cause of all the outfielders they have I would think they would want a starter or two and some relievers
Think it will be more simplified then that..Chapman for two of there best prospects. Don’t see the Cubs moving Swarber and don’t see yanks taking an injuried player … Just my take
Why would we want your over priced junk? Ellbury Pineda garner?
I do not see the Cubs having any interest in Ellsbury or Gardner
Tanaka that has a partially torn ucl that can opt out after next season? Lmaoooo no
The cubs aren’t trading schwarber period.Theo is on record saying that more than once
I wouldn’t touch tanaka. The whole world knows his elbow is going to blow at any time..
How about starting with chapman, miller and Pineda … Coming back is Schwarber, vogelbach and tseng
What in the world makes you think they’ll trade Tanaka?
Tanaka can opt out after next year. If he’s healthy, he will. If he’s not, he won’t and he’ll stay 3 more years. M that’s not very appealing…
if they don’t trade him this year and he is healthy next year and this season isn’t so good with them rebuilding I would trade him and get as much as possible I believe his war is 3.0 and sale is 2.7 or something like that tell me if I’m wrong but they would be able to get alot back if he is what he was his rookie season. before he got hurt what would you want for him?
Would you take tanakka for schwaarber one for one
Would take Miller for happ
If you answer both no then it’s not appealing
The Cubs would be stupid if they didn’t take either of those 2 deals.
Tanaka for Schwarber is a bad deal for the Cubs. Tanaka can opt out next year, so they’re giving up Schwarber for someone who needs TJ and can opt out. Bad deal
1 – Tanaka doesn’t need TJ (yet)
2 – You don’t know if Tanaka will opt out or not
Very dumb so dumb I can’t believe this is the third thread you printed the same exact proposal on
Busse24, go away
Cubs already said they’re keeping Schwarber. He’s the best hitter on the team, young and cheap. Yankees should feel lucky to land Almora or Baez at this point.
He can’t be the best hitter if he’s out for the year.
What are the reasonable prospects the NYY could get from the Cubs with a hypothetical Chapman trade ???
Jemier Canderlario,Dan vogelbach and maybe billy mckinney depending how badly the cubs want chapman.
Way too much for Chapman. That’s a miller package
I’m talking from the cubs perspective, but I think that Torres, Happ, Jimenez and Cease probably aren’t gonna go for chapman, and any major league cub (Almora, Contreras, Edwards) But I could see Canderilo, McKinney, Tseng, Underwood, or Zagunis. That’s from a cubs perspective tho
Yea it’s prospect hugging like that, that’ll get you another 100 years without a ring. You gotta be realistic and give something prospect wise. I know they seem like solid prospects to you but they won’t get that deal done
That is something prospect wise… He listed pretty realistic players that’ll get a deal for a phenomenal rental done.
Problem is for the Cubs that you have to at least give up more than what the Yankees would get in compensation and I’d rather take my chances on a post Rd 1 comp than that group. And I’m sure Cleveland and Texas are more willing to give up more than that group as well.
High end would probably be one of Almora or McKinney low end would be Zagunis or Vogelbach + others. It will probably be something in the middle, half a season rental of a one inning pitcher, but a lot of teams want him.
Possibly Duane Underwood or Pierce Johnson. I think Vogelbach is pretty much guaranteed to be in any deal.
Since it does not appear they have any real shot of going into the post season I hope they trade them. They should learn from when they waited on Cano and got nothing when he left. We could have gotten some amazing prospects for him.
Forgot about that very true
Giants please.
Odds are Yankees are either enamored with Dan Vogelbach and will take him in a package with a top 10 pitching prospect (cease or de la cruz) or will simply take the highest bid (eloy jimenez +)
They’re not getting eloy
Why Vogelbach if they’ve got Bird coming back next year?
FWIW, a report earlier said Chapman would re-sign with the Yankees even if they trade him.
I read that too, man would that be a coup for the Yankees
To be fair, no player is ever going to dismiss the notion of returning to a large market team going into free agency. I would be surprised if the Yankees signed Chapman, they would have to clear a lot of salary. They really need to get under the luxury tax and this off season is their chance. They can’t move forward paying 150% on free agents, especially since free agency is pretty much a hodge podge of overpaid, older players who clog your roster.
So why do Cubs fans want Chapman so badly? The bullpen is pretty darn good. It sounds like the price for two months of Chapman is unreasonable. Wouldn’t you prefer a good long man who could spot start? because that rotation hasn’t been awesome of late. I get why the Rangers want him, but the Cubs?
The cubs have a lot of Long Men spot starters, Wood, Cahill (inj rn) Warren, Richard. But what the cubs lack is a legitimate late inning guy to pair with Rondon and Strop. The cubs probably will be interested in Starters too, but they have to be difference makers, no Dan Haren’s this year.
The Cubs certainly need back end bullpen help but as a rival fan it would certainly be scarier to see them use their surplus of prospects to go get Teheran, Archer or even Jose Fernandez even if a ridiculous overpay is necessary.
The elephant in the room for the Cubs future seasons is starting pitching depth. It’s masked by putting up great numbers this year but can’t expect a whole starting 1-5 to stay healthy all season let alone go out and do it again next year, no guarantee Arrieta stays, Lackey’s been solid past few years but getting to the point in age where he has to fall off sometime, and all the top prospects coming up are hitters. Making a trade for young, controlled starters then buying a bullpen in the offseason is worst case scenario for this Pirates fan.
Rondon just took the loss again….
NYY brass was in Columbus last night to watch Clevinger and Lynchburg today to see Sheffield/Bradley/Allen/Cheng/Mejia.
I wish we would go after them!?!?
I think the Yanks should trade for Profar. Chapman, CC and 20 mil in cash.
Cut Tex and Arod.
Promote Austin, Sanchez and Enns.
Play to win this year without the arm tied behind their back and QO Nova and Beltran this offseason.
LF = Gardner
RF – Refsnyder
CF – Ellsbury
DH – Beltran
3B – Profar
C – McCann/Sanchez
1B – Austin
SS – Didi
2B – Castro
That lineup looks hard to beat man
Why would they QO Nova? He’d take that in a heart beat and it would be 16 million wasted. Also, Beltran is likely retiring after his year so it’s best to try to trade him.
Beltran has been hitting great even when forced to play the outfield so that Arod can play DH. He’s said he wants to keep playing.
If Nova stinks for the rest of the year I’d change my mind but if he keeps his ERA in the 4’s it’s probably worth overpaying for one year given what starting pitching costs and how little will be available in free agency this year. I’m not so sure he would accept either as a 3/24 deal from another team would be a much bigger guarantee and a reasonable price for a young FA starter.
Beltran has said he wants to play 2 more years. What makes you think he’s likely retiring?
When you put together a lineup for the Yankees, why is DiDi batting 8th and Castro 9th? Ok maybe you want to flip the lineup, but Didi especially is one of the more productive hitters in the lineup. Kills me that Girardi bats him as low as he does, why would you support that? Lead off w Ellsbury, Didi, McCann, Beltran, Profar, Refsnyder, Castro, Austin, Gardner. McCann benefits from Beltran protecting him, same w Didi w McCann, Profar batting 5th is a stretch, only because he can bat L handed. With the bottom 5 players adding speed and being able to go 1st to 3rd on a single to right. More athletic and protects the young kids in the lineup. Girardi will never bat Gardner 9th. Loves him as much as I hate him.
Didi has been a terrible hitter his entire career until the last two months. I don’t think Girardi understand line ups at all and the current line up is a clusterfk based completely on production from 3 years ago that I don’t support. The reason Didi stays low in my line up is because the people I add are better than the ones I replace and because he is a lefty with little power.
I don’t like two lefties in a row starting the game which is why I put refsnyder at two. Gardner has maintained a good OBP regardless of how he’s hitting which works out just fine in the leadoff spot. Even with Didi having the best season of his life Gardner still has a significantly higher on base percentage.
I would have a hard time with your line up because of the grouping of same side hitters which means hitters will be facing same side pitchers much more often late in the game.
That’s honestly just not true. Sure, he’s god awful again lefties, but he really started getting hot at the end of last year, and has the contact skills to maintain this pace. The problem with Didi is that he barely walks, which makes him a tough guy at the top of the order
You’re somewhat correct.
He actually ended last year with a terrible month and also started very cold this year but he did have 2 strong months last year and his last two month this year are also quite good.
The OBP and number of lefties the Yankees have that I think are better just forces him down the line up in my mind until he’s able to maintain his hitting for longer than 60 days in any given year.
I agree he seems to be on the verge of hitting well enough to earn a spot higher in the order though in a perfect world the team has good hitters 1-9 instead of pretending a few zeros in the line up is OK.
Reds FO deserves having some salt rubbed into their many wounds for not holding onto Chapman and being in the driver’s seat “shaping possible deals” with the Cubs (including a possible in-division premium) and other contenders now.
Schwarber vs lefties BTW =
.143 .213 .268
As magical as Cashman is as a scout I think they need to ignore his Schwarber lust.
Andrew Miller has a Career 2nd Half ERA of 5.72 and a career ERA of 6.86 in September and October. So since we’re both going pick obnoxiously small sample sizes, I guess Andre Miller to the Cubs for a Low A prospect?
Andrew* damn autocorrect on the phone
My small sample size was his entire major league career against left handed pitching in which he was one of the worst hitter in the game. He is then going to a team where he’ll see even more lefties. It’s a small sample size because he hasn’t played much in the majors not because I’m cherry picking. I have no investment in making him look bad I just don’t understand why the Yankees would want a DH who hasn’t shown any ability to hit lefties when they face so many of them due to the park.
You decided to pick a stat that is basically irrelevant for a closer and then dumbed it down even more by choosing a month of the year for his entire career so you could use his early days as a starter to make him look bad.
Miller actually has real numbers you can look at that show him to be very likely the best left handed reliever in the game. You can ignore it if you want but you sound like an idiot.
Schwarber may end up being pretty good at some point but even in his “amazing” debut he couldn’t touch a left handed pitcher, can’t play catcher or the outfield and now is missing the year with a major knee injury.
I’d take him as a throw in but I wouldn’t make him the centerpiece of a trade for a good player.
His entire career against lefties is 53 at bats…
56 ABs/61 PAs
He picked a sample size based on their needs currently, which is a closer for the closing months of this season. What’s the difference? You are comparing a very young hitter who is still getting adjusted to the game and talking like there is 0 chance that he will improve.
He picked a sample size to make a case. Not to make an honest assessment of a player.
I used all available information and he cherry picked stats to include millers work as a starter and his early years learning how to pitch even though you have several seasons of elite work out of the bullpen to determine his current ability.
The difference is that I don’t have much information to work with due to Schwarber’s short time in the majors and his injury. He chose to use misleading information to make a bogus point.
It’s basically the difference between the truth and a lie.
Also that Schwarber line is in 56 ABs. If by some chance the Cubs did offer schwarber, the Yankees shouldn’t even think twice about it. But this is all a moot point since Cubs won’t trade him
If you have a reason you think he can hit lefties, how about sharing it instead of complaining about the sample size and acting like more at bats automatically means he’s going to do something he showed no sign of being able to do last year?
I think schwarber is a hard worker, who will work to hit lefties like Rizzo did, who is now one of the best L/L hitters in baseball
That may be true but Cashman would be foolish to bet on it. If Schwarber was a legit catcher or a SS maybe you take the risk but not for a DH.
Why? How many power hitters hit lefty’s well anyway? And batters face righty’s 80% of the time or more. Meh
So tell me who is this player that in 153 PA in his first taste in MLB had a line of
.141 .281 .242 with a SO% of 30.1% and batted
.172 against LHP?
Answer is Anthony Rizzo so yeah go ahead and feel dumb now because Rizzo is now one of the best pure hitters in the game. How about next time you use more then 56 AB’s
Lot of power hitters hit lefties. It doesn’t matter what side they hit from. It matters what they can do when they are playing. The Yankees face more left handed pitching than any other team because of the park design and you need players that do well under those circumstances.
The goal isn’t to get left handed players. It’s to get good players who ideally do better in your home park than they would somewhere else.
What a terrible logic fail. That reaches the levels of dangerous because you seem to think finding a good player means you have to find a bad one expecting he will reverse the trend.
That just isn’t how things work. It does happen but you are taking the anomaly that happens 1% of the time and trying to say this is the blue print for how you build your team.
Schwarber is an interesting player because of what he did last year. Not because of what he didn’t do. Investing in him because you think he is going to do something different is a fools errand.
WTH does Rizzo have to do with Schwarber any way? That’s really the worlds lamest comparison unless you are talking to someone who said it was impossible for Schwarber to ever develop the ability to hit a lefty.
and – How can I use more at bats than the player has?
If so, doesn’t that mean I still do not trade for the player until he has shown he can play?
I’m not making career conclusions. I’m just puzzled as to why cashman would be so hot for a player with no position and who hasn’t shown he can hit lefties at all.
Lot’s of power hitters can hit lefties. It doesn’t matter what side they hit from. It matters what they can do when they are playing. The Yankees face more left handed pitching than any other team because of the park design and you need players that do well under those circumstances.
The goal isn’t to get left handed players. It’s to get good players who ideally do better in your home park than they would somewhere else.
The Reds FO’s questionable return for Chapman and their third-place finish in the Frazier trade are definite marks Jocketty’s record.
I think the Dodgers could be a team that comes in and grabs him they will need to shorten games with Kershaw injury concerns, they have the best bullpen ERA in baseball or close to it ,but they also have some of the most innings already pitched by a bullpen.
I think the price would too high compared to their other needs. If they’re going to address the bullpen, I think it’s a much less flashy trade or someone who gets tacked on in a bigger deal for a starter or OF
Vogelbach, Torres and Candelario for Evoldi and Chapman
Vogelbach, McKinney, Dewees, Tseng
Excuse me….Candelario, Vogelbach, McKinney Tseng
Still to much. Remember… Pomeranz, who’s a young controllable starter, only got 1 guy back. A top 25 guy, but that’s it. An 18 year old to boot. No way ever do Cubs trade that to Yankees for a reliever!! Ever!!
+1 to bigjonliljon for being the voice of reason here. The Yankees may get more out of the Cubs for Chapman, but I agree that it’s wise to compare all hypothetical returns for Chapman with what what the Padres received for Pomeranz.
Well the Cubs don’t have any prospects that rank as highly as Espinoza, so several decent prospects aren’t that far off.
Big John – go see what the Redsox gave up for Kimbrel. Miller is better than Kimbrel.
Kimbrel had a full year of extra service. Kimbrel has a career 1.79 ERA, during that same span Miller has a 3.48 ERA. Kimbrel also has the most saves in the league for 4 straight years. Kimbrel has 242 saves to Miller’s 44.
Using career numbers here is pointless. If you look up the the 3 seasons leading up to the trade, their ERA and FIP are basically identical, but Miller has an advantage because his most recent season is better than Kimbrel’s most recent. Miller is also about $4 million less per season which is significant. Kimbrel came with 3 seasons of control compared to 2.5 for Miller, but since any team acquiring him now is doing it with eyes on the playoffs. That extra half season difference is irrelevant since they’ll have him for this years stretch run and the next two years. Miller should cost more to acquire than Kimbrel did and the Yankees would be foolish to not insist on a better package.
During that same span?
Lame
Well Chapman’s not going to take an extension with anybody. But I can see him signing with the Yankees in the offseason even if they do trade him. They clearly want to keep him in NY and they have the money.
I don’t recall typing that!!!!
If he goes to th Cubs, there is no way Vogelbach doesn’t head to NY. He has future DH written all over him and has no where to play in Chicago. Add Mickinney m, Candalerio and maybe Tseng and it’s probably a done deal
Cubs aren’t trading 4 prospects for a rental , not going to happen
It’s gonna be 3-4 prospects who ever takes him nothing less. Unless it’s two top ten prospects the Yankees won’t settle for less
It’s really hard to believe that Nationals top priority is getting a reliever, when their bullpen has one of the best ERAs in the league, and their hitting has been so pathetic. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The Nationals got their closer at last year’s trade deadline, despite what this article says.
I wish we could see Chapman start
Yeah, ain’t that the truth! Dude’s a stunning closer, but I think we’ve all been cheated, chap specifically, that he didn’t get the chance to fully develop as a starter. If he could have avoided arm problems, dude would absolutely be one of the greatest pitchers of his generation, and who knows, maybe one for the ages.
Olney also wrote the Nationals like Gardner. Wonder if there is a future trade involving Chapman and Gardner to Washington. Not likely, but definitely possible.
Why would anyone give up a lot for a rental for half of a season? Makes no sense. Don’t get me wrong, I know you gotta give up something but don’t give up your too prospects. I think if the Yankees are asking too much all the teams should call their bluff and see if they want to be stuck paying all the money these players are making the rest of the season and lose them at the end of the year anyways while getting nothing. Just my take. But if the Yankess want to be more realistic in trade talks then to give them a little more you ask them to throw in someone like Beltran. Both of those players can really help a playoff contending team and you’d be inclined to give then better prospects even if it is just a rental.
Thronson5 why would anyone give up anything good for half a season?!?!? Have you ever watched baseball before?? Smh. Go away dude, you’re clueless
If you think all the teams would band together and say no to the Yankees high demands your more delusional than that dude with the 7 team 40 player trades
I like that guy. It takes some serious creativity and time to come up with and write down all that.
And always humorous how defensive he got. Sadly o think he was banned.
Cubs fans have got to stop being so Damn greedy. It’s obvious you want Chapman. But you also want to add in a way to get Miller, or add in Eovaldi all along you say no to the Yanks when they ask for Schwarber back. Look send the Yanks Mckinny, Vogelbach, and Cadelerio and go get Chapman and be done with it.
You of all people telling another teams fan base to stop being so greedy , when you constantly make proposals for Teheran acting as if he’s like a prime Greg Maddux
Greedy ? Who’s being greedy ? Braves fan complaining of that? You guys want a country for Tehran
I think it is hilarious. Every fan base has a bit of greed, both with what we have on our roster and farm. But on here, like anywhere else it is easy to point fingers towards the other.
Yes MOST Braves fans want the “Miller Fleecing,” because it had been done once already. And of course most Cub fans do not want to give up their 4th OF/possible 2nd C. Same way NYY fans don’t want to part with Judge, Mateo, Bird, and Sanchez.
Each team wants to improve and stabilize the future, but until trades of deadline comes, we will keep hearing all of this.
They aren’t greedy if they have the prospects to get it done. They don’t have to give up Schwarber for either of them if they don’t want to. Almora, Vogelbach, Torres, Underwood, McKinney, Happ and Jimenez are probably all available. If you package any 3 it would most likely get Andrew Miller. Heck, if they really wanted to, they could start a package of Soler or Baez, with some top 8 prospects to get both of them. They have such a deep farm, it’s not out of the question for them to make a blockbuster.
So no, I don’t see where they are greedy. This is coming from a STL fan btw.
How about Reyes Diaz carpenter Martinez for Miller
No way the Cardinals do that.
would not even do diaz, martinez for miller, geez.
If the Cardinals don’t add a ‘High-Impact controllable’ bat that they’ve been interested in, they are for sure on the phone with NY. I see them more going after Miller tho, just in case Chapman wants to resign with Yanks in offseason.
I think Luke Weaver, Magnius Sierra, and Matt Adams would be a pretty fair trade. Although who knows what Cashman would ask for, or the Cards would be willing to give up.
It’s funny Cubs fans are anxious to trade Vogelbach – a guy who doesn’t have a position…
Um, can play 1B and DH in the AL. You’d think you’d know that. He doesn’t have a position w the Cubs. Go look at how he’s hit at every level. I love how people try to down play value.
How stupid is the Yankees management? First they should sign Chapman for 3 years at $15 million annually for $45 million. Relax it won’t cost them a penny! Then they can trade him if they want for a King’s ransom instead of getting squat for a 2 month rental player. Wake up Cashman how do you have a job?
I guess his 4 rings and as of now, ZERO losing seasons has kept him there
You’re acting as if the deadline is today. He has plenty of time to make a move still.
I am amazed at these insane and incredibly unlikely trade proposals constantly made by fans and what they think Chapman and Miller are worth. These are going to be the same people who are going to be amazed at “how little” the Yankees got in return for the two, if Miller and Chapman are indeed traded. All one has to do is look at what the Yankees gave up for Chapman in the first place, what the Red Sox gave up for THREE YEARS of Craig Kimbrel, and the recent trade for Brad Ziegler. Look at those trades and then look at these asinine trade proposals for Miller and Chapman made by fans and you can’t help but shake your head. I hope it is just losers trolling with these laughable trade proposals, but if not how can you rationalize that Chapman is worth the same amount the Red Sox gave up for Kimbrel. Chapman comes with 2 months of control, Kimbrel came with 2 years of control and a team option for a 3rd year. If you are one of these fans who think Miller and Chapman are going to bring in a huge haul; picture whatever you think they are worth, then assume what they’ll likely get in return is about 1/3 of what you think they’ll get…… and that still might be too high looking at some of these crazy proposals.
The comparison should be simple. The Orioles traded Eduardo Rodriguez to Boston to rent Miller for two months. Now I don’t know where he ranked in their farm or in baseball at that time, but that’s the look. For Chapman, I would think a team would give up a prospect in the same boat, maybe ranked a little higher. Or they would give up two prospects that rank a little lower than E-Rod. Two months of Chapman isn’t going to restock the farm.
That trade went down in 2014. Depending one which of the seemingly dozens of prospects lists that float around, the one I am looking at had him as the #65 prospect in baseball pre-2014. However, Rodriguez was having a crappy 2014 in double A for Baltimore at the time he was traded. Had an ERA of 4.79 at the time of the deal. It’s unfortunate he was dealt for a pitcher. Comparing pitchers to hitters in terms of prospects is difficult. Pitchers are so hit and miss compared to their position playing counterparts. An unranked position player prospect seemingly has just as much of a chance at being an impactful player as a high ranked pitching prospect. In fact, I really hate the fact people out there even make “top 100” lists, period. Top 100 lists are so subjective and arbitrary. There are unranked players out there who are putting up WAAAAY better stats in the minors than players who are ranked….. some ranked pretty high. Example. Cody Bellinger is the highest ranked 1B prospect in baseball according to baseball america. He’s only 20 playing in double A. His stats are pretty weak though IMO. in 297 minor league games and 1,105 ABs he has a .263 BA, .342 OBP, .477 SLG, .819 OPS, 67 2B, 17 3B, 45 HR, 26 SB. While those aren’t awful numbers per se, I wouldn’t call them good enough to be considered the best 1B prospect out there. I mean look at Dan Vogelbach. He is in triple A. He’s 23. He IS major league ready. He has 500 games under his belt in the minors with 1,804 ABs. He owns a .290 BA, .389 OBP, .486 SLG, .875 OPS, 111 2B, 7 3B, 76 HR, 323 RBI. Much more impressive offensively than Bellinger IMO. The fact he is major league ready should bump his value too. Bellinger is better defensively at 1B but it isn’t like Vogelbach has put up awful defensive numbers at 1B. Vogelbach actually has a hair better fielding percentage compared to Bellinger, but Bellinger beats him in range. The fact Vogelbach is RAKING in his first season at triple A this year as well I thought for sure would’ve put him on someone’s mid-season top 100 list. Nope. I guess hitting .318 with a .425 OBP and a .972 OPS in triple A isn’t good enough to crack the top 100. These organizational top 30 lists on the teams’ websites are also head scratching worthy. Vogelbach is the Cubs 20th ranked prospect for some reason while Jeimer Candelario is in their top 10 I believe. Candelario’s minor league stats are just as yawn inducing as this Bellinger dude’s. IMO I think it is insane Vogelbach isn’t on anyone’s top 100 list, and I think it is asinine that he isn’t in the top 5 of Cubs prospects list. Gleyber Torres being the Cubs top prospect makes 0 sense to me. He’s super young at 18 or 19 years old, and he is only in single A baseball. IMO no minor leaguer in single A baseball should be in anyone’s top 100 list, I don’t care what his numbers are – the dude’s in single friggin A.
If the Yankees want Schwarber, a package of Miller and Betances can get him and Eloy.
If you think a couple of relievers are worth Schwarber and Eloy Jimenez you’re a fool. Schwarber alone for Miller and Betances is a raw deal for the Cubs IMO. If Schwarber is what we all know he is, and builds off his stellar rookie season…… a rookie season that was BETTER than Kris Bryant’s. Schwarber could be a future HOFer. Yeah. The kid put up 21 HRs in only 78 games in the regular and postseason. In the band box the Yankees play in he is a guarantee to hit 40+ HRs a year. He should hit for a decent average as well as he progresses if his minor league performance is any indication….. pretty sure he was hitting like .320 something in the minors to go with his high OBP.
When mentally slow Yankee fans think Miller is worth the likes of Schwarber it is pretty much like saying they think a RELIEVER is worth Kris Bryant. It’s just so d**n foolish. Generally what makes a reliever valuable is how many saves they have. Miller and Betances combined have 54 saves in their careers. Schwarber in his 71 regular season game career has played 453.1 innings. Andrew Miller in his 11 year career, 5 of them as a failed starter, has pitched only 595.2 innings. Do you see the discrepancy here?!?! If the Cubs were to trade Schwarber for Miller, the Yankees need to throw WAY more the Cubs way. If you think the Cubs should give up Schwarber AND Eloy Jimenez the Yankees would have to cough up all 3 relievers worth talking about in Chapman, Miller, and Betances AND Aaron Judge. That still isn’t worth it IMO. Aaron Judge is overrated. He’s like a .245 hitter in triple A with a .337 OBP. THAT’S the Yankee’s 2nd best prospect? Dan Vogelbach’s numbers blow Judge’s out of the water and he’s (supposedly) the Cubs’ 20th ranked prospect and doesn’t even crack any of these arbitrary top 100 prospect lists.
Bottom line, a package containing Schwarber AND Eloy would have to include the trio of Betances, Miller, AND Chapman………. and then some. But nothing on the Yankees other than Miller and Chapman really interests me, so this proposal is just ridiculous. Yankee fans are going to be very disappointed in what they get in return for any of these relievers. They are thinking they are going to get the moon and the sun for them. Yet look at recent trades for relievers……. GOOD relievers. I mean just look at the deal the Yankees did to GET Chapman in the first place. Then look at the deal the Padres made with the Red Sox involving Kimbrel who came with two years of control and a team option for a 3rd year. Just recently, one of the best relievers in the game in Brad Ziegler was had by the Red Sox and they gave up essentially nothing to get him, and unlike Betances, Ziegler has an extensive history closing out games. Before you say Ziegler isn’t in the same realm as any of the Yankee relievers, Ziegler has compiled a 2.48 ERA and a 1.22 WHIP in his 9 year career as a reliever. I’d call that pretty dam reliable. Then there is the fact that there are PLENTY of other relief options out there that can be had for WAY cheaper than Miller or Chapman, but they are just as effective or at least close enough to it. I mean Ryan Buchter……. Ryan friggin Buchter out in San Diego probably could be had for at most a mid level prospect. He has a 2.41 ERA and a 1.10 WHIP. That’s pretty much all the Cubs need. They don’t NEED Andrew Miller. They just need a reliable reliever…… preferably a lefty……… which Buchter is. If Sean Doolittle was still healthy the Cubs probably would have him by now and this talk wouldn’t even be happening. I mean other than the Cubs I really haven’t heard as much talk about any other team being as interested in Chapman or Miller. If there is as much interest as the Cubs seem to have they must have quiet or very few fans, because the only talk I see on this site at least is Yankee and Cub fans discussing a possible trade. All I can say with certainty is, is that if Miller or Chapman or even Betances are traded – Yankee fans are going to be butt hurt in what they get in return. They think their relievers and rental closer are worth the likes of Kris Bryant-like players. hahahahahahahahaha
The trade return is and should be based on the 1st round draft choice they get if he leaves in free agency.
Why would they settle for anything less?
Please refrain from personal attacks (“fool”).
I am a stalwart defender in the Schwarber for a reliever suggestion is ludicrous, but to suggest or use ‘HOF’ at this point can be classified that way too…
KB you’re an idiot. Schwarber isn’t Mickey mantle dude. Miller for schwarber straight up is a fair deal for both sides.
Please no more personal attacks.
Here is how any deal goes
Down, there will be no negotiating.
Want Miller, it will cost Profar or Schwarber.
Want Chapman, here is the price. Yankees aren’t going to negotiate. They will get someone that they want at their price no negotiation.
Take it or leave it.
Bottom line they don’t have to trade any of them, and to be honest, it wouldn’t be dumb for them to keep all 3 so
Long as the plan is to resign chapman.
Comparing what the Red Sox gave up to get Ziegler to what the Yankees should get for Chapman is hilarious.. Chapman is a top 3 closer in MLB, Ziegler is a serviceable closer but not close to being a dominant force. High price tags have been placed on these players for reasons. All one has to do is look at what the Yankees gave up for Chapman?? They only traded for him because he cost nothing due to the domestic violence issue, and he’s definitely rebuilt his value. If they traded him now, their return would be far greater than what they gave up. As for Miller, if the Yankees aren’t offered a package in the area of what Kimbrel cost or Giles cost, the Yankees won’t move him, plain and simple. 2 years of team control, at $9mil/year for a top 3 reliever in the game (a lefty no less) will command a huge haul. And none of that is crazy.
Not saying you are wrong but Brad Ziegler makes about half of what Chapman is paid. Money does factor in when these trades are talked about. The less money owed the better the prospects when you are talking about a rental.
Money could always be kicked in, if need be. Ziegler is making basically half of what Chapman is this year ($5.5mil compared to $11.35mil), but again, he’s nowhere near as good as Chapman. We also aren’t talking about the Twins trading for Chapman here. The Cubs aren’t a small market team, and their biggest weakness is in their bullpen, specifically a dominant lefty. Nothing against Rondon or Strop, they’re also nowhere near as good as Chapman (or Miller obviously). The Cubs have all the motivation in the world (and their best World Series chance in a long time no less) to make a move, and they could easily absorb the $4ish mil that is left on Chapman’s contract.
Do any of you clowns suggesting the Yankees trade Tanaka to the Cubs realize thenYankees aren’t going to eat salary and the Cuba are NOT going to take on his salary?
Also,
The Yankees may, MAY trade 1 closer. They ain’t gonna trade 2. They are gonna keep a righty / lefty power combo at end. If Miller is the person to be traded, Chapman will have an extension signed prior to Miller benign dealt. If Chapman is to be traded, it’s 50/50 he comes back next year.
It’s foolish if that is the case. I’d deal all three and anyone else on the roster worth a second glance. What they have been doing the last couple of years, trying to patch the team on the fly, just hasn’t been working. You can argue Betances not being traded because of how many years he’s got left, but you can easily argue for it as well.
Chapman is not going to take an extension no matter what.
Jurickson profar for McCann and chapman and before everyone shoots me down a team that has a chance to win it all but has two weaknesses will do anything to fix them and catcher and closer are both rangers weaknesses
McCann has a No trade. He ain’t going to Texas.
Also it just seems like an unsettling deal to trade one of MLB’s top 10ish catchers and arguably best reliever for an injury prone infielder. I know it might be a fair deal, but from a Yankees perspective they probably wouldn’t want a single player back, especially given his proneness to injury.
If another team has a player (chapman) that can give another team ( Cubs) a better shot at winning the World Series why not ask for the player you want (Schwarber) you either do it or don’t do it. That simple
You all are a bunch of Yankee haters!!! We have gone a whole 6 years without a championship. Wow Cubs???
Killer isn’t being traded people.
Chapman and Beltran are on the block. Cubs or Nats may get one or both. Have a feeling both with go somewhere together for a crappy returning.
Instead of trading relievers they should be considering Gardner, Refsnyder, Green, or Nova because they need guys who can produce runs and starting pitching
Dodgers trade for Andrew Miller
Give up Cody Bellinger, Kyle Farmer, Chris Anderson
Bellinger and Yadier Alvarez also possible