The Marlins are known to be exploring the relief pitching market, and they’ve had internal discussions about both the Yankees’ Aroldis Chapman and the Padres’ Fernando Rodney, according to ESPN’s Buster Olney (in his latest subscription-only column). It isn’t known if these discussions reflect genuine interest, as teams routinely go over many options in the leadup to the trade deadline.
There has been quite a bit of speculation about the Yankees trading at least one of Chapman, Andrew Miller or Dellin Betances should the team fall out of contention. Chapman is a free agent this winter and moving Miller would free up some payroll room, though the controllable Betances would probably bring back the biggest return of the trio. Some have argued that New York could deal from their uber-bullpen even if they’re still in the race, as they would still have a powerful end-game answer with just two of those excellent relievers, and trading the third would address needs in the rotation or lineup. Still, it’s rather hard to see a contending Yankees team breaking up their dominant relief trio given how the rest of their bullpen has been unimpressive.
It’s much more likely that the Padres would explore deals for Rodney, given how San Diego is currently in the NL West basement. Rodney has a microscopic 0.31 ERA through 28 2/3 innings, with 10.4 K/9 and a 2.75 K/BB rate. Obviously some good fortune is involved in Rodney’s near-perfect season (such as a .210 BABIP and a 92.6% strand rate) but he is still posting fine numbers even by ERA-indicator standards: 2.29 FIP, 3.22 xFIP, 3.04 SIERA. Rodney has generally been a good-to-great reliever since 2012 except for last season, when his early-season struggles led to a midseason release from the Mariners, though he regained some of his form against signing on with the Cubs late in the year.
The Marlins had some interest in Rodney last winter before he signed with the Padres, so it’s no surprise that they’re looking at him again in the wake of his successful year. It’s also not hard to believe that Miami is discussing Chapman, as any team in need of a bullpen upgrade would given his excellent track record.
With a thin farm system and a lack of interest in dealing Major League parts, the Marlins could offer to take on salary to facilitate a trade, though neither Chapman or Rodney represent a big payroll outlay. Chapman is owed approximately $5.75MM over the rest of the year while Rodney has only around $850K in base salary this year and at least $400K to buy out a $2MM club option for 2017 (though these numbers can rise rather significantly based on incentives). I’d guess it unlikely that Jeffrey Loria approves enough of a payroll boost to absorb one of several albatross contracts cluttering both the New York and San Diego rosters, so there might not a trade fit unless the Marlins have a prospect or two that the Yankees or Padres particularly like.
Chased
How about chapman and Arod for Jose Fernandez lol
Firestormer
How about Chapman for Dunn lol
DVail79
put down the shot glass man lol
bsteady powers
That’s not even worth typing
Ken M.
Look out…. here come the Chapman for Yelich trades….
MB923
Yeah….right
alproof
Never in a million years, Yankee.
halos101
I would do that if I were Yankees
beauvandertulip
Why would anyone say chapman for yelich. That makes no sense in any world
ilikebaseball 2
Maybe Chapman, Judge and Servino, and what’s left of Stienbrenner’s corpse for Yelich
Ray Ray
I think the Yankees shouldn’t wait until they fall out of the playoff race before deciding to move one of the three. They should move one of the three in order to avoid falling out of the playoff race. Yes a three-headed monster bullpen worked well in KC last year, but KC had a lot more going for it than just the bullpen as well. The Yankees do not.
The Marlins don’t have a very strong farm, but have several strong OF/1B prospects. Chapman for a package led by Josh Naylor and Austin Dean with maybe a relief prospect like Nick Wittgren added could help both teams a lot.
koz16
The problem is that the Yankees will probably spend the entire season 3 games out of the wild card spot and when all is said and done they miss out on trading Chapman, Beltran, or anyone else. That gets them a few extra picks if they make the qualifying offer but they miss out on anyone that could help them in the immediate future.
stl_cards16 2
Chapman is the only one getting a QO
MurderersRow27
Not so sure about that one. If Beltran stays healthy the rest of this year and continues to play like he has so far (unless he gets moved of course), he’ll get a QO thrown his way as well.
Vedder80
And he will likely accept it at this point in his career.
bsteady powers
Yeah he will. Rather than paying Beltran 15.8m next year, I’d trade him for one real good prospect, or just 2 good ones.
Voice of Reason
Beltran will not get a QO. He will be traded this year.
mriescher
Trade anything with value until a major system restocking and youth movement Hank and Hal won’t spend a dime
adshadbolt
Chapman for ptbnl which would be kolek when he’s off the DL
steelerbravenation
Gonna be an interesting 6 weeks or so. I think the Marlins will have to focus on Rodney or maybe even a lesser closer than that. Their farm doesn’t seem strong enough to get Chapman. I could see the Yanks keeping him and trying to resign him. The free agent market doesn’t have many intriguing options as far as SP goes. So maybe keeping a dominant bullpen and having starters that only have to go 6 could work. Tex, ARod, McCann and Headley is what has been killing the Yanks. Castro hasn’t produced like he was supposed to. Money coming off the books with young guys coming up to replace aging vets. Gotta spend the money somewhere might as well keep the dominate pen.
Ray Ray
Did you see the package that the Yanks gave up to get Chapman? I realize there were special circumstances, but they gave up 4 mediocre prospects for him. He is not going to command two top 100 prospects or anything. Maybe one top 100 guy with a couple of other guys for bulk. The Marlins have enough to get him.
steelerbravenation
That was with the suspension looming over his head. Not even announced to the public it was coming actually. That was a pure quantity over quality trade. They wanted the money off the books and didn’t want to deal with the circus of a domestic violence allegation. Total sell low.
alproof
The league is always behind these one-sided trades, doing what it can to improve that sorry team from the Bronx.
sdsuphilip
Marlins lack a top 100 prospect that is tradable (garrett can’t be dealt) or anything close, Kolek’s stock is way down and doesn’t even register on the top 100 radar anymore.
eggy
Why can’t garret be dealt they changed the rule
elscorchot
i wouldn’t want to give up Kolek just yet anyway. look at all the arms the marlins have given up in the past few years that are thriving in other places. heaney, disclafini (?) are two examples. some could say that the marlins haven’t helped them progress, but we have a new system of developing pitchers now (from the pirates). i would wait and see if he can be a viable starter, or a dominant closer.
dooley
The Marlins don’t have anything close to enough to get Chapman. Unless, of course, they decide to deal from the MLB group. The farm system is incredibly thin. Their top prospect is out on Tommy John recovery and has struggled in low minors.
The Yankees were able to get Chapman on the cheap because of 1) timing and 2) a desperate owner wanting to get him out of a small market community with a suspension looming. That kind of price tag is outdated. If a team isn’t willing to deal AT LEAST 1 of its Top 10 prospects and 2 of its Top 20, then they will not be acquiring the services of Aroldis Chapman. It is that simple.
Personally, I think Chapman to the Nats for Reynaldo Torres and Eric Fedde makes a ton of sense for both clubs. The Nats are pitching rich and they can keep Giolito. Chapman has a great relationship with Dusty Baker. The Nats need an elite closer. Chapman is an instant Anthony Rizzo/Jason Heyward/Dexter Fowler late game neutralizer. The Bryce Harper window of winning is closing another year…going another season without a significant playoff run is a waste of resources. The Yankees would be getting two terrific, explosive arms in return.
As a Yankee fan, I am really hoping they trade all 3. But I can see them keeping Betances and getting as much as they can for Chapman and Miller (and Beltran and CC and anyone else over 30). The Yankees are in desperate need of an overhaul of young, cheap talent.
costergaard2
Dooley, I too want to see trades. Keep betances, deal miller, chapman, Gardner, and Beltran. I don’t think you can move CC or anyone else for anything worthwhile. In addition to what you’ll get, the Yankees will have over $40mm coming off the payroll with Beltran and Tex, so it’ll be an interesting 2017…
privy
I don’t think so. You’re basing his value from this past winter before MLB handed down his suspension. The Yankees took a chance and it worked out for them. That alone, with no suspension hanging over his head raises the value. Second his performance has been through the roof. He probably guarantees a world championship for the Cubs if they can make the Yankees happy.
MB923
A-Rod and Tex for Jose Fernandez and Yelich. Marlins pay all contracts.
Ray Ray
You sure you don’t want Stanton with the Marlins paying for him too?
MB923
Yeah that can work. And Yankees will add Headley to the deal too
On top of all this, how about a manager swap too??
bsteady powers
Quit playing
MB923
Quit complaining
SupremeZeus
The Yankees control the elite reliever market this trade season. If they are willing to move one of their 3, they will wait until the deadline. There will be multiple contenders bidding up the price. When the dust settles, the yanks will get a great return for one of those 3 this season. I see the Marlins going after a guy like Daniel Hudson.
thebighurt619
Or will drive their price down because teams filled voids with cheaper alternatives.
As of right now brewers padres twins rays angels braves phillies reds diamondbacks could be sellers.
Rodney, buchter, villanueva of the padres
Smith, boyer, jeffress, marinez of the brewers
Webb, cedeno, romero of the rays
Norris, vizcaino, krol of the braves
Gomez, hernandez, neris of the phillies
Ziegler, hudson, delgado of the dbacks
Tonkin, Abad, kintzler of the twins
Street bedrosian guerra of the angels
Those could be possible targets if those teams wind up selling come july. Wait too long and sellers flood the market. 25 pitchers even if 15-20 of them are up for sale doubt the yankees become winners when the dust settles.
goducksgoagogo
Agreed,.Yankees are .500 and have an awful July schedule after finishing 6/5 against the Rockies and Twins. Chapman goes to Cubs or Nats for a ton. Yankees sign Chapman as a FA in the winter. Beltran and Gardner go as well but the Yankees are stuck with Headley and Castro. BTW, they don’t trade or DFA A-Rod or Tex. Not the Yankee way.
morgannyy 2
Yankees should tie Headley in with any Chapman deal. The Cuban 3b awaits….
eliu2017
I think the Yankees should trade Chapman for Kolek. It’s high risk high reward for the yanks as Kolek has yet to show he can succeed at the professional level. The Marlins haven’t been able to develop Kolek, and he’s just a lottery ticket whose stock can disappear.
sdsuphilip
if he’s just a lottery ticket who probably isn’t even considered a top 200 prospect anymore Yankees should hold out for more.
I hate what Yankees did trading for Chapman for obvious reason, there is no place in the world for domestic abuse, non whatsoever and them condemning it and passing it off is sending an awful message to sport fans of baseball (which is largely men dominated). Yankees will get a good return as very little of these teams care about the message that is needed.
halos101
what’d they do? they made a business desicion and got a heck of a deal. I don’t think they condemned the domestic violence in anyway. Can you explain how they did?
dooley
Kolek is the first guy that came to mind when I read the Marlins are interested in Chapman. However, Kolek has yet to do anything of substance in low minors and is now out on Tommy John surgery recovery. Seems very risky.
The Yankees can definitely bring in a better haul for Chapman than a failed #2 draft pick who has struggled in low minors and now has one TJ surgery (when there’s 1 TJS, there is usually a 2nd at some point).
sdsuphilip
Don’t see any chance for deal with Rodney. No one is going to justify giving away one of your teams best prospects for someone like Rodney at his age, and the marlins have no depth in the system at all.
beauvandertulip
You won’t have to trade a top prospect for Rodney. Everyone knows his age and what happened last year. Nobody in the scouts forgot that. He might fetch a couple C prospects that’s about it.
rmullig2
Why would San Diego trade him for that? He’s cheap this year and cheap next year too. They would be better off keeping him and trying to deal him next year.
zippytms
Strike while the iron is hot. His numbers will never look better, and a quality closer is wasted on a losing team. Trade him now for any useful parts, whether it’s a AAAA rotation filler or a C-level prospect with a decent ceiling.
AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres
Because his value is as high as it’s gonna get right now and the Padres have no need for a lights-out closer at this point. Rodney will be traded to the highest bidder at the deadline.
EndinStealth
Take Rosenthal for a bucket of balls.
willreily
I believe they’d want an effective reliever, as if late, Rosie hasn’t been any where near that lol.
formerlyz
Maybe the Marlins would be interested in taking back CC with Chapman. They desperately need a SP, and even he would be a massive upgrade. Thats probably depending on how likely it is that his option vests for next year though
TheCanoShow
Talking about Chapman gives me a trade idea for Seattle and NY, Seattle trades Zunino, Gohara, both Jackson’s, Shank, Peterson, and Yarbrough for Chapman and Miller, that way Seattle can send down Diaz and eventually recall him to possibly have a 3 headed monster.
dooley
It is very difficult to come up with a trade that makes sense for the Yankees here. The Marlins system is thin. Their best prospect is Tyler Kolek, a former #2 draft pick who has struggled in low minors and is now out for 1 year recovering from Tommy John surgery.
There is no way in the world the Marlins will trade Yelich. They certainly won’t trade Yelich for a rental closer. They might be tempted to move Ozuna if they are not sold that this season is not an outlier but I still don’t think a rental closer is cause for a team in contention to trade away one its key MLB pieces.
Rodney would make more sense for the Marlins, given the fact that he won’t command nearly the haul of top prospects that Chapman is going to demand.
Niekro
People believe a farm system can not afford half a season of a 1 inning pitcher sometimes this place makes me feel like I’m in the twilight zone. Just because a prospect is not ranked does not mean he has no value. The Marlins and Giants systems never get credit even though almost all their everyday players are home grown. I have more trust in a system that actually produces than some writers opinion on prospects.
hojostache
The Yankees got Chapman for a wholly mediocre haul of 4 middling prospects; good on them. They should be able to trade him for a top 50-100 prospect and probably a couple of lottery ticket/b-prospects. People saying Yelich is in play are crazy, as teams came knocking this past off season with far more to offer than 1/2 of a season of a solid closer…and the Marlins quickly said no. The Marlins also have little to no shot at the NL East (even with the Nats faltering and the Mets treading water) because they lack the pitching depth to win games down the stretch. Jose is great, they have some nice young talent, but they will get exposed the longer they play.
Dreams of getting a Miller or Giles haul are overblown because the circumstances are quite different. There should be many serviceable closers available, so teams shouldn’t have to play chicken with the Yankees. Rolling the dice on Rodney for 60% of the cost. The smart team will add depth before the last week of the trade deadline because that is when GMs do stupid things (i.e. overpay). I’m not even a big Rodney fan, and I know his implosions can be legendary, but cost/benefit…he’s a good choice.
As for Beltran…dude is having a renaissance year and any playoff team would be lucky to have him (I’m admittedly a biased Met fan). He won’t get a Wheeler type prospect this time around (remember Wheeler was a raw talent back then w. a lot farther to go to get to the majors), but I think he could be a great veteran presence. His QO status is iffy because of his age, so I’m thinking a team like the Giants are far more likely to try for him than a smaller market team who could be compromised if he took the ~$16m offer in the off-season.
I worry about the Cubs RE: Miller / Chapman because they have the farm system and the GM who could secure a top RP and a 7th inning guy and still be in great shape 2-3 yrs from now in their farm system. The problem for the Yankees is they aren’t dealing with Kevin Towers / Dave Stewart / AA / Ruben Amaro / etc…they are dealing with Theo. Cashman’s best play is to hope WAS gets in a bidding war and another team takes Rodney before the Cubs come knocking.
bbatardo
Rodney would be cheaper, but still Marlins would have to compete with a handful of teams who could value him slightly more.
Chris815
To all of you who think Tehran is not a ace and can’t pitch in American League
well I’m going to prove to you all he is . Now Tehran is in his 4th full season.
Well I have stats that prove he compares to one hall of fame pitcher and
red sox legion Pedro Martinez and ace of today Jonny Cueto .
Some of stats he better then both of them when they where in there
4th complete major league season . Here we go
Pedro Martinez. Jonny Cueto. Julio Tehran
Wins- 48. Wins- 41. Wins- 42
Lose-20. Loses-37. Lose- 36
G.S.- 88. G.S.-116. G.S- 116
INGS- 663. Ings- 687. Ings- 713.1
So- 657. So- 532. So- 626
BB- 238. BB- 232. BB- 193
Hits- 538. Hits- 653. Hits- 620
Tab- 1989. TAB- 2061. TAB- 2140
Avg-.271. Avg- .316. AVG- .289
Runs- 271. Runs-321. Runs- 282
ER- 251. ER- 292. ER-256
HR- 56. HR- 80. H.R. -84
Fip- 3.39. FIP. 4.25 FIP- 3.81
Whip- 1.363. Whip- 1.285. Whip- 1.112
Cwar- 14.1. Cwar- 8.3. Cwar- 12.0
H.P.G. -6.1. H.P.G.- 5.6. H.P.G. 5.5
So/BB%- 2.76. So/BB%- 2.29. So/BB%- 3.24
HRPAB- 35.5. HRPAB- 25.8. HRPAB- 25.5
SoPG- 7.5. SoPg- 4.6. SoPg- 5.6
Era- 2.86. Era- 2.52. ERA- 2.28
HR/bb/hits- 832. HR/BB/hits- 965. Hr/bb/h-897
Tab-2227. Tab- 2293 Tab- 2333
Obp hr-3.73. Obp hr-4.20. OBP hr-3.84
Also Tehran has started 11 games vs American League teams ,and
he has a 2.93.When it come to him giving up home runs.
Well when you more around the plate , your more likely give up
home runs and when it comes to strike out .
Rather you know this or not . Braves don’t want there pitcher to strike every batter
Out . They want them to change speeds .Hit there spots ,and let there
fielders behind him to make the plays and keep his pitch count down.
When you go for strike outs . It pushes your pitch count to go up .
davidcoonce74
Oh my god, this makes my brain hurt so much